NEVER Use Aftermarket Pistol Mags!
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I'm gonna miss the heck out of this guy RIP James 🙏🏻 and I'm praying that your fam gets through these trying times .❤️💯❤️
Ditto
Everyone in the gun community will brother. And many that are not
Really wish we could have his insight today
I love the "Just needs to be broken in" comments I've gotten when those mags have failed in guns around me. You know what mags I see run flawlessly, the ones that came with the gun.
Facts. Ill pay the premium for factory mags. The few aftermarket mags I have are for the range, plus they help with clearing malfunctions.
Stephen Willeford just threw a handful of rounds in an AR mag and took care of business, Jack Wilson fired one round and took care of business. I just like saying their names.
Never been to one of your classes but I’ve changed more of thought processes on your no nonsense video education. Thank you for putting your knowledge out there for all to have.
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Fighting Pistol - 2013 and it was amazing. It is a great mindset course.
@@JamesYeagerofTacticalResponse just joined on the .22 program I hope it helps you to continue to put out content. Once again thanks man. Not to many guys like you left in the world and I’m just trying to soak up as much information as I can while I can.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol I always thought in the movies that they never run out of ammo. Seems like they shoot forever
Thank you james for all you do to educate us. Prayers for your speedy recovery
Now you’ve just emboldened all of the “Two World Wars” guys. Thanks James.
Hahahahaha
If taken out of context, yes.
Another great video! For myself, my carry mags are always factory glock, range mags are magpul and ets. I run all 3 types in my 9mm carbines as well with excellent results as well. I also disassemble, inspect, and clean everything after each range or training session. It may be a little much, but that's just my way.
Great advice James, for sure. My Pmags are for dropping at the range or in the dirt.
Stated with the eloquence, intelligence, and care expected from a professional who cares about his craft. Well said.
"10 rounds 'for sure' beats 15 rounds of "maybe" every single time!" I love it!
OEM for life.
The best line I've ever heard pertaining to firearms. 🤟
Nothing is for sure, that's why we do malfunction drills lol.
I've been telling ppl something of that nature for years. Even if the chance of a malfunction is %5, NEVER EVER trust your life with it. If your in a really bad gunfight and you run out of ammo, if that aftermarket mag is the only thing in arms reach, then sure because it's better than nothing but only because you really don't have a choice. Other than that, hands down hell no. I would rather have 5 for sure than 15 maybe. 💯
Great information as always. Thanks James!
I totally agree, dependability is paramount. It is good to hear about the Shield mag issue and I will certainly look into it further. Maybe that is why they have come out with their Gen 2 version. However, I feel that there are some high quality and dependable mags to choose from that are not OEM.
You are so correct when you say “Do not sacrifice reliability for more ammo” & “What we need is more training” to be accurate. Just came across your channel & subscribed. Like your non-nonsense recommendations. I purchased a 43X and jumped on the Shield Arms hype spend hundred of dollars on mags & accessories to fix the issues but at the end of the day I couldn’t rely the safety & protection of my love ones & self on a tool that I didn’t trust to do the job. As ex-military I agree with your advice, stick with OEM, we train and prepare for a day we all pray never comes, BUT if it, does we want a reliable tool to get the job done.
In general I agree, mec gar so with allot of use and abuse from me have beem good to go in my sigs. That is not surprising considering that they produce or at least used to produce mags for sig. Probably same mag discounted with a different label.
This video is soo true. I bought some aftermarket gun magazines for my semi-automatic handgun, come to find out that while on the range the magazine springs would collapse after the 12 round. I just lost out on $30 on 2 magazines and could have been a problem if I had to carry this weapon while on duty or as a backup weapon. Thanks for sharing.
The facilities I use on the island and when I go to the mainland yeah it's all good man it's the first thing I learned four years ago I was going to buy any aftermarket or use what the marketing use for their guns usually ends up being Magpul for me all right James thank you.. the only videos I've ever watched was training can never get it from movies but training DVDs especially yours you can definitely learn some even when you trained for 4 years I know you've opened up my eyes and a lot of stuff and I appreciate you..
Well said I had been saying the same thing since the 15 round metal mags came out for the glock 48x and 43x the manufacturer warns not to use the metal magazines unless you change out the magazine release to their aftermarket release which is al metal at the contact surfaces
Did he say what the point of failure was on the mags? I didn't catch it.
Edit: this seems... odd. The factory mag catch on my 43x is plastic. The mag body that interfaces with the catch is plastic. You'd think that it wouldn't last very long.
Yet another educational, informative video. You're the man James. 👍 Thank you for everything that you do.
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Buying an aftermarket magazine is like marrying a woman who cheated on her last three husbands, and claiming "This time it's different."
Wow!!
YESSSSSSsssssssss!
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Hmmnnn......I have four ACT mags that function perfectly....
Wilson Combat mags are after market - how about those?
Hey James, I’ve finally come to realize that you were right about this all along. Thanks, and I hope the Lord helps your doctors heal your tongue.
Everyone will eventually know I am right.
@@JamesYeagerofTacticalResponse I hope so but GD there are some thick headed fuckers
@@JamesYeagerofTacticalResponse Hopefully decent folks all figure it out before it really matters.
Thank you, James. These conceptual videos are some of your best content.
Thanks James! Wisdom from the reality of the field and not from a square range bulleye shooting session...yet tested daily in the Tactical Response range and classes. After Bastrop I trashed two mags that failed me in your class. The rest are all numbered, maintained and are still running...they're also all factory mags. All love from TX from your favorite Gate-destroying Asian-guy James.
Ha! What's up dude!
Even "Mush-Mouthed", completely articulate and speaking the truth ... Thank You Sir !
I’ve only been in 1 gunfight, and I know for a fact that if I were to get in another, that it would not be the same at all. I was ambushed while temporarily unarmed...NEVER AGAIN!
@@KeyboardWarrior101st 🤣
If you don't have a gun its called a "Shooting".
@@JamesYeagerofTacticalResponse 😂
@@JamesYeagerofTacticalResponse well, I disarmed him, and then I DID have a gun. Of course he then ran so I couldn’t actually shoot anyways. I did clear the malfunction I caused, (which is why he let go of it in the first place) and posted up, wounded and waiting for police to clear the scene before the ambulance would come in. It was a barley bleeding knee shot, that somehow didn’t fit anything important! I was back at work in about 19.
OK...If there is only one gun its called a shooting.
I sometimes get flack over this, but I totally agree. I never use anything but factory mags. On the job I wasn't allowed to, off the job, my choice. Every training I've ever attended, told me the same thing.
Drums and high capacity are fun for range day, not so for I could die day. Good video.
Excellent video. The only thing I added to my OEM mag is an EMP and Tyrant extension to my 7 rounders. Hope that wasn't a mistake.
Found that out years ago while working for DOE. The "bean counters" tried to save a quarter on new rifle magazines (Pro Mag). It was a disaster. Constant double feeds, mags splitting when dropped one time.
Thank you for making this video. This started a great conversation with my wife and I. Knowledge is power.
Glad it was helpful!
Wrong....power is power
Great video James, I agree with only carrying oem mags but what about adding +2/+3 base plates to your oem mags?
That is aftermarket.
Thanks for the advice James!
I ordered some 2nd gen shield mags to try, but only for the range at this point. Your right OEM ones always keep on working!
So as soon as James said "8 rounds" I swore I heard a resounding "WE TOLD YOU SO!" from the .45 guys...
Lmao I'm dying of laughter
"TWO WORLD WAAAAARRRRRS"
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still laughing on that one. .......
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James, thanks for always sharing your knowledge. Praying doctors can heal your medical condition and hope it's not serious and treatable!!
What’s your opinion on pmags for glocks? Are those trash as well?
I appreciate your content.
Keep up the good work.
Good information as usual!! Please keep up the excellent service!
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I carry two extra, one for stoppages and the other for in case I do need a reload.
Yep mine were shit. Wouldn’t drop out of the mag. Rattled too much inside the magwell. Wouldn’t lock back on empty unless you pressed upward on the mag.
What are your thoughts on factory mags with mag extensions and aftermarket springs?
@@finngamesknudson1457 did you?? That wasn’t covered. Thank you God bless
Very good points James! I would like to hear about your experiences in your classes with people running mag extensions on factory mags. I run Hyve extensions, on my OWB setup, as they seem to be very reputable from a reliability standpoint, but you see way more rounds being shot out of them in your classes.
What are your opinion on extended base pads? Or even +0 base pads ?
Hmm I have an untested shield mag in my 43, probably need to go address that, thanks for the heads up!
I learned about junk mags years ago when I bought Butler Creek mags for my 10/22. Never again! OEM only from now on.
Just out of curiosity, what era did you try those Butler creeks? I still use the same ones I bought in the early-mid 1990s, and every one of them easily has many several thousand rounds through them. I still shoot them very regularly, and I have absolutely never had a failure with any of them, the black or the clear. I just saw last week one of them is starting to get stress cracks in the plastic, but to be fair I have been absolutely abusing those magazines since middle school... I only ask because I'm curious if their quality control dropped off at some point
@@lostpyper6973 If I had to guess, it was 2003 or 4. The box part that gets inserted in the gun had to be sanded down because it was too tight in the magazine well.
@@POOKIE5592 but did it function
My G43X has never malfunctioned with my shield mag. However I suspect it might every time I load it because the spring is so difficult to compress to get the last 3 rounds in it. In this instance I trust your experience and go back to my stock mags. I don't want maybe.
I've been watching your content for about a decade. I value your contribution to the gun/gunfighting world, and I admire your willingness to be a contrarian to pop culture. I hope the numbness in your tongue is nothing to be concerned about; you will be in my prayers regardless. Thank you for putting out this video, James.
Is Mac Gar good to go? Just wondering because they make alot of OEM mags as well as after market stuff.
I use Magpul mags for practice with my Glock 19 at times, and it gives me the chance to practice malfunctions. The Magpul mags do not malfunction often though, and it may be the ammo, or combination of both.
I bought a Ruger KP95 back in 1997 and it came with 2, 10 round magazines, the magazine limitation at that time. I was able to purchase 3, 15 round ProMag magazines for it because the P-series 9mm's all used the same magazines. It did function and chamber all the rounds with the ProMags, but there was incidental last shot hold open issues. 1 of the magazines did hold the slide open on last shot, but 2 didn't. I disassembled all 3 and did a thorough cleaning on the entire magazines and all worked flawlessly after that. Evidently there was some material inside the mags which needed removing, but it fixed the problem. Even if that didn't fix the issue, they all still chambered all the rounds.
I wouldn't even accept a ProMag if someone gave it to me. Lesson learned. Trash can filler
@@themotuwolf They work for me.
Yes sir, use good oem mags, otherwise the number of bullets you might have in a junk mag do not count at all, if it fails 🤷♂️
Agreed
As far as a spare mag goes, my mindset on it is, I dont carry it expecting to need that many rounds. I carry it incase of a mag malfunction. Its nice to have the extra ammo if it would be needed but if I cannot end the fight or retreat the fight within a magazine, im the problem.
Is that the wrong way to approach that?
Did you even watch the video?
This man was so damn strong. As he looks death in the face, he was so strong. Continued to work until the end. Had No fear. It's unbelievable.
I can't remember which video it was but long before he was sick during one of his outro's Yeager once said something to the effect of the fight that's coming for you could be a gunfight or it could be cancer or just old age but the fights coming. That stuck with me ever since. It breaks my heart that the fight that came for James wasn't one he could beat. I think about him often and am grateful for what he taught me.
@iwishilivedinafreecountry5749 nobody beats it, we just have to be ready.
Yeah I don't have any of those shield mags for my G43x. I use all OEM factory standard mags in my hand guns. I'm curious though, you don't think people should use after market mags but what about mags with an aftermarket baseplate? Like ya ever see those baseplates you can get for like G17 or G19 mags that add +3 to +5 round capacity? I've heard those are often more reliable than a whole aftermarket mag cuz you're still using the factory mag for the most part, same follower, etc. But I don't know first hand, I've never used one.
Does that include after market base plate extensions and followers too?
Thanks JY. Great job. Good info.
Does this include pmag? If so, aren’t they the most reliable aftermarket mags? I’m truly asking. I have a lot of pmags for my Glockz and my AR.
I've never had any issues in pmag. With that being said, look at it like this.
all mechanical items have a chance to fail at any given time. Even factoryags can although rare, have issues. So out goal would be to carry whatever is least likely to fail. But there can still be failures. Just go with what you know runs well.
Thank you for teaching the facts. Opened my eyes a couples times where I was mistaken. Hope your health improves. God bless.
Hope your health issue gets resolved. Thanks for the good information.
Opened up a new savings account for some medical and pistol training with you guys. Hope the doctors are able to help you to a speedy recovery and thanks for the awsome content over the years, man!
We have layaway.
Thanks made up my mind on not getting the shield mags and staying with OEM
I have used magpul and ets Glock mags for years now and have only had a few stoppages (usually ammo related)...I still won't dare carry one. Glock factory mags only.
James, is there a place I can get that quoted info about the updated stats for gunfights? I'm pretty sure it was on John Farnam's site but I couldn't find it. Do I need to just dig further? I would like to include that in my CCW classes.
Miss you big guy. Thanks for the videos and you are a hundred percent right.
Thanks
You are quite welcome.
Correct on everything you say, I love ❤️ when a person buys a Quality gun , you name them , then go out for cheap MAGAZINES, and or ammunition, then they complain it’s the gun . Great videos as always 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Ahh its a ShieldArms video. While I do own an extension for my p10s (range mag, I don't carry with it). I agree with all your points about them
Thank you ..... I have a 43X and a 48 , the 43X has the shield mags with the metal mag release, and have had no problems, but you can bet you sweet ass, what you said hit a spot with me, and tomorrow, my 43X will be back to factory specs on mag release and mags. I blame myself, as i did very little research but just hearsay as to how the 15 round mags are the game changers, well, smack me in the head !!!! cause that is just what you did....
I have a shield .40 with approx 1000rds through it but have only used factory mags and not had any failures. Is it any after market mag or just a specific brand?
I think you are saying you have an M&P shield 40 cal. He is talking about after market magazines.
All I own, for pistol mags, are Glock and Sig (for each respectively). Never heard of Shield Arms (S15) mags until this video, but I'm not very high speed.
Thank you James and T.R. team.
Using the SA S15 mags now since they came out (Gen 1 & 2). I am part of a group of users/armorers who carry the G43X/48 who depend on the guns as a primary EDC or backup in both LE and Civilian backgrounds. To date, we have over 55,000 rounds through multiple guns with the S15 mags and not a single failure of any kind. We did rotate the springs and followers at the both the 6 month and 1 year intervals but some of us have kept the mags loaded longer than a year yet when fired, they worked perfectly. Now this is not to say that there has not been a a batch or individual S15 mags that have been bad, welcome to the world of firearms manufacturing, it happens but there have also been plenty of well known gun & mag designs that have had the same happen from time to time. One thing I have noted about Glocks is that the frame tolerances are NOT precise from one gun to the other, I have seen the same stock and aftermarket magazines have more movement inside the mag well from one pistol to another so that can't be ruled out as an issue with some aftermarket mags with those guns. I have had a few users outside our group show up with G43X/48's with S15 mags complaining about stoppages. I test fired the guns and they worked fine. Then had the user/owner fire the same guns and mags and yes, stoppages occurred. 99% of it was limp wristing the guns with bad gripping (hand, wrist & elbow angle) as well as stance. Oddly they had no issues with the stock mags but I surmise that the difference in the S15's mass loaded (compared to stock mags which the rounds center of gravity is slightly different) and the shooter's typical habits (often bad) came into play on this issue. All said, one rule remains true, ALWAYS check and test your weapons, mags, and ammo for function, keep them clean and maintained well.
Where's the data?
Love your videos! Thank you!
Great advice as always.
I have 4 Gen 1 S15 mags for my G43X that have given me zero issues after over 2,000 rounds. This includes professional defensive handgun training courses as well as standard GSSF tournaments. I’m sincere in asking if there are certain circumstances where they tend to fail, aka certain drills that defeat them?
Great info, thanks
Excellent point James. I have told people many times to stick with OEM mags for their defense needs. If you want to use aftermarket mags at the range for fun/practice, go for it. The question I ask people is, "How much is your life worth?" OEM mags are a cheap insurance policy.
Real good info ,James !
Training at Tactical Response was one of the best decisions I ever made. Fighting Pistol was literally a life changing event for me.
I'm disabled, have had 2 separate lower back fusion surgeries as well as 3 other back surgeries. That said, I can't be in peak physical condition.
Would I still be able to train in your class?
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Solid advice!
Straightforward and well said
Thank you as always
Bought some aftermarket mags strictly for range use. Discovered they're great for training on clearing malfunctions!
I have 10 factory Glock magazines and around 15-20 magpul magazines for my daily carry G19. Never had a failure with any of them and I’ve tried to use magpul ones more often. In the factory mags I’ve used maybe 1000 rounds and the magpul around 3k. Maybe the shield mags garbage.
Interesting. I know Shield Arms just introduced Gen 2 S15’s. Curious what types of failures guys were seeing with them?
There’s no failures with them lol. And if you happen to be the one in a million that does have one just contact them and they’ll get you a fixed one
@@Kamology_ Maybe taking the mag out of the gun, pushing it into mud, then trying to run it is considered, “real world testing”.. Not sure where they get the failures.
I have a Glock 43x with the shield arms mag Release and two s15 mags I have shot 500 rounds through them now no Failures or malfunctions I Carry them for EDC
I can tell you from experience with both of the S15 generations.
I bought the Glock 43x over the Hellcat, one of the reasons being the S15 mag claiming to be 100% reliable. Initially they were, then one day the slide wouldn’t lock back. Shield Arms offers “spring for life”, but say I have o BUY the power spring, which did fix thee issue. This was the Gen 1 mag. One of the Guys, really impatient, kept wanting mine and ultimately paid me enough to buy my 3 and bought me 3 more.
I ordered more mags, which took 2 months to arrive. I ordered gen 1 mags, but the company was switching to the new gen 2 mags. I actually carried these for a couple weeks before I made it to the range. To my horror, I had 2-3 jams in each mag, I ultimately went through 180 rounds, tried each mag twice, fully loaded. Junk!
I found some new gen 1’s bought this and no issues with those. I had 1,000 to 1,200 rounds in the original gen 1’s I used, only issue was when they stopped locking the slide back.
I am on the fence with the S15 mags I have. I WON’T BE BUYING THE Z9 MAGS.
My current thought process is use oem mag with a ghost med +4 for my backup mag, and oem in the pistol. Or possibly go to the G26. Also just plain using the 10 round oem mags.
Do you have any experience with the Arredondo mag extensions? What’s your verdict on them?
Watch this video.
@@JamesYeagerofTacticalResponse it took me a minute I’m not gonna lie, but I gotcha. Appreciate it man.
This was an outstanding video. There were so many key points you brought up that addressed the difference between fantasy and reality. Worst student being the guy that's been in one gunfight reminds me of of basic, guys that had been shooting their entire lives weren't nearly as teachable as guys that had never fired a rifle.
sorry im confused, are my shield mags for my M&P Shield plus hot garbage? If so this is the first im hearing of it. Also due to the magazine shortage I just bought several MagPul magazines for my Glock17, are they going to be an issue (granted I am only planning on using them for range mags)
He's not talking about M&P shield mags. He means the Shield Arms 15 Rd mags for Glock 43x and 48. Yes continue to use your factory M&P shield mags in your M&P pistol. I personally have had good luck with Magpul mags in my Glocks but I only use at the range. For duty or everyday carry for a few dollars more I stick with the Glock factory mags.
Great point. I learned this firsthand during fighting pistol with my stupid 21-round magpuls and Tim didn't let me forget it! They went in the garbage and now I only use factory mags.
We ALL have to learn lessons the hard way.
Appreciate advice. Learn a lot from your videos!!!
I appreciate that!
I went back to oem on my Glock 43x & have had zero issues. Thanks.
Would you put magpul glock mag in the junk category?
Feed lips wear out pretty quickly. The round erodes the feed lips causing malfunctions.
It's still aftermarket
Damn, I'm running just one shy of being in the safety zone margin @ 7 rounds total. Crap! What, now I'm supposed to train? "Ugghh.." Thanks for video. Good luck with your tongue, Mr. Yeager. I had a situation where approximately half of my tongue went numb for about 2 years. While my affliction didn't cause a discernible speech impediment, it was unsettling and it was always "buzzing" or just numb. It turns out it was a pinched nerve in my case and having the pressure removed asswaged the condition.
Sold my SA15 mags short after last video on the topic, in addition to some other concerns.
Sold to who though?
Did you use the profits to sign up for Fighting Pistol?
Watched this video a couple of times and I am convinced James. Thanks for the passion and straight talk. Keeping my 43x stock, and signing up with the NRA. Still love my .45. Wishing you all the best health and sending good thoughts.
Was looking at getting the glock 43x instead of the glock 19 based solely on the shield magazine option.
For me it boils down to the glock 43x's short barrel length being less cumbersome iwb appendix carry vs. the glock 19's magazine capacity.
Great video. Great advise.
Glad it was helpful!
I bought a Canik tp9sfx, which came with 2 20rd mags and since it's my edc and factory 18td mags are virtually never in stock, I bought a 18rd Pro mag since its more concealable. I've ran a few hundred rds through it and no problems but I would prefer a factory mag.
Would you say Magpul 9mm Glock magazines are not reliable for self defense/home defense?
Watch the video.
What is wrong with mecgar mags?
Interesting. Guess I'll go back to the 10's.. maybe. So, we've been making double stack magazines for how many decades now? How has this not been figured out over how many decades and models of submachine guns with double stack single feed mags You mentioned they're showing signs of unreliability. Before I go one way or the other, what's the failure? What is it about the shield magazines that are causing problems that aren't seen in factory mags? Internal geometry, feed lips, weak springs, bad followers, poor finish, poor heat treat, mag catches wearing out, mag catch holes egging out, stovepipes, misfeeds, ammo sensitivity, debris in mags.. what is the source of the problem and concern regarding the magazines?
The steel mags accelerate the wear on the plastic mag release. Go to an aftermarket steel mag release. End of issue.
@@Montana_Outdoor_Adventures ok, I bought the first gen shield mag release with the shield mags at least a year ago. That's the only issue, bad mag releases? Nothing else?
I have 3. Two are shiny, one is matte. The matte one doesn't drop free but the shiny's do, as well as factory. That so far has been my only 'issue' with them.
@@randomidiot8142 Only issue I have had. I train with them at my backyard range all the time, and no issues. HOWEVER, I only carry OEM mags.
Big FACTS. Continue to rest easy James