My Honest Thoughts on Le Mans Ultimate
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2024
- Le Mans Ultimate early access has just been released and here are my thoughts on how it plays and what you get for your money.
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#lemansultimate #rfactor2 #lemans - Ігри
i see potential in this game.. because its quite a simple title, with limited content, so if they continue to improve everything that matters.. it could be alright.
Agree.
Can they keep people around while they add stuff to this game?
I'm pretty sure it will be an upgraded rF2. So in terms of physics ffb sound, it will be the best there is.
@@CooroSnowFox If they keep consistently improving the game and adding content it can definitely have a playerbase. People forget that ACC's launch was a disaster and was pretty much dead not long after. But now ACC does incredibly well and is very popular. The only real concern is the content of the WEC license compared to the GTWC license of ACC. On the car front LMU will be good, as the 2024 season has 4 new hypercars and the introduction of the GT3 class with 9 cars. But the tracks are a different story, so unless they are allowed to add tracks from past seasons it won't be too many tracks.
@@CooroSnowFox they shouldnt focus on keeping players around.. instead just chip away at the details, make it really solid for what it is - and the sim community will embrace it for what it is. patch it for years, add historic DLCs etc.
but they can also shoot themselves in the foot and not patch it, abandon it - to "work" [copy/paste] on LMU2 and LMU3 like the legends at slightly mad studios...
there is absolutely market space for a simple and refined WEC sim, that anyone can jump into and have a good time.
Steve that might be the greatest online win I’ve ever seen you do, absolutely world class 😂
One might even call it...delicious...
For the drivability: Note that the WEC banned tire blankets to warm them from 2023, so for the HyperCars you need at least like 3-4 laps till your tires are in a good window. (I am not sure if Steve has mentioned it) This is not out of the box and push
He is just a overhyped guy who is just used to GT7 trash feedback over rails, thats all 😂
I would love to see him in iracing too
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@@thatparticulargame6001 Apologies but I seem to recall that Steve is the one driving in an endurance racing series on the Nurburgring while you're sat in your room commenting on his videos
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Jimmy mentioned that Ultra settings are bugged at the moment so it's best to run the game on High instead.
Yeah, they're definitely a bit off!
😢
Thanks for this, I haven’t been able to watch his yet. I was thinking “for maxed out setting this looks terrible and aliasing straight up out of the 90s!”
You should’ve seen Basic Ollie’s stream when he tried to drive for the first time 💀💀💀
I saw he glitched through the ground and his game crashed
@@Super_GT So did Jimmer's attempt. Looks like the game has a lot of avoidable glitches in the programming and the game play?
If they were avoidable, they'd avoided em
The bar so low now for what is deemed acceptable it's shocking
Its a great sim, i love it!@@Super_GT
6:54 that is top notch sound
Bro went to McDonald's, came back and enjoyed the food whilst winning the race.
TRULY THE GOAT 🐐
Gives the phrase "serving a drive through" a whole new meaning.
dt penalty
Yoshiko Tsushima also done this before. Went to McDonalds, come back and somehow still able to win the race.
Sounds like Verstappen
As they mentioned in the Early Access notes, they will add more features and modes in the coming time. This is basically to get feedback and develop.
Early access is tiring, the developers get complacent because they already recieved money without delivering the full product. since sales decline throughout a games life it just ends up with the developers doing less and less for the game as years go on and once money dries up years later, the announce a full release with barely any changes and enjoy the new cashflow. im so tired of this.
And some money lol. But yeah
True, but the prices will increase as features come@@BallisticTech
we pay them to test and debug their game! Genius!
On a basic G29 wheel here--I had to play with Force Feedback settings to regain the "sense of grip". It improved the game significantly when I increased Force Feedback strength.
If this game is also like rF2 in that respect, fiddling with FFB settings (like lowering the per-car FFB multiplier) is mandatory.
This game has so much potential and kind of needed to succeed. With the popularity boom of sportscar racing in recent years we really do need a WEC game
Edit:It seems a lot of people can't stop mentioning iRacing, which is a fair point but iRacing being a monthly subscription where on top of that you still need to buy tracks and cars really does not appeal to some people. People need to realise that not everybody is willing to cough up that much money to a game. I know people are still skeptical towards Motorsport games which i am too, but i am willing to wait to see where this game goes.For example if they add an F1 style career mode than this game could be very much appealing to a more casual fanbase. And to be fair to S397 they were quite clear of this game being in "early access"
Dude.. enough.. do you know how many games are floating around Steam with so much potential...
This was a money grab, if Rfactor 2 is not healthy, what makes you think this being released in this state has potential...
The $14 w.e is better off going into RE3 or iracing content
it needs a good 2 more years of development, then it can be great, but then AC2 and iRacing may have already satisfied whatever sportscar fans want
we really don't lol There is no benefit of isolating a whole community to strictly WEC, thats why iRacing is so successful.
@@4FiftyRacing Not really, I don't wanna pay money monthly into a game
@@MRD0889 Exactly this is RF2.1 without the content and the same bugs and iffy UI. The AI still can’t do a normal multiclass race 🤣
You're the goat of Le Mans Ultimate online
Yeah man, 100% record. Unbeaten. Undisputed.
they should rename 'max AI difficulty' to @@Super_GT mode.
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Good day, sir
just bought the game and played it for an hour. its a great game for me, cars do feel floaty and its got a strange way for control mapping but i think its great. 100% worth it
It's weird to me the youtuber didn't talk about the very strong differences of gameplay bewteen cold and warm tyres, lmu is probably the sim where this gameplay mechanic is the most pronouced
Just wondering do you get the full game when it's released for the early access price, or do you have to spend more?
@@PippaPeerless You get the full game, you don't have to pay again.
Your adaptability and analysis is one of the many reasons I appreciate you. Great content. Keep it up.
This would be great as DLC for GT7.
That would be awesome! 😁
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No, this game dont need simcade physics.
Waiting for this 👊
On the LMH you find a new tyremodel and I think its the best tyre model in simracing ever!
Thanks for this video, always like to see what’s happening with sim racing from my preferred channels.
Keep up your great work.
I really want this game to be released on console at some point, so I hope this game turns out to be successful. We need a dedicated WEC game. The Hypercars are the coolest cars in the world.
Sound is amazing
I love when supergt uploads❤
I've noticed that you have FSAA and FXAA off in the graphic settings, which means you run no antialiasing mode. If you turn one of them on, for example FSAA to MSAA 8x , the game will look alot better even on high preset settings.
Looks like the car needs some more toe-in in the rear or something, to cure that erratic nervous oversteer behaviour. Looks like a mechanical issue that can be solved in the settings.
Increasing the tire squeel sound could also help to get a better feel of connection to the tarmac, i.e. remove some of that floating feeling. Not that you would hear it in real life, but it can compensate for what the sim cannot communicate through force feedback and motion.
Not bad for a baseline game, plenty to build on to make an unreal game! (Hopefully they can extend the tracks beyond the few on the calendar, would be sick)
This is literally first time sim developers did something like that with the camera settings. I've had similar settings in Assetto Corsa. The camera shake is amazing, usually the car is literally glued to the ground, therefore you can't really feel the speed. But I can see that those shakes and bumps ruin the balance and the natural feeling of grip.
Never played project cars 2 then, did you.
Raceroom, iracing, ams2, pcars........ all have these options for many many years
This game has big potential imo
checking this out because I cant wait to see the race in the morning. The qualifying was crazy close at the last second for the hypercars and gt3 today a Qatar
I'll wait. I got a library full of empty promises.
I can get my Hyper Car fix with AMS2. I don’t trust Motorsprt games.
@@SimRacingVeteranmotorsport games aren't the ones making it
@@SimRacingVeteran just got the LMDH dlc tonight and holy hell, what an experience driving the porshe around Suzuka and Spa.
did some laps in the GT3 Gen 2's but I still don't really like how they feel in AMS2, granted they do feel a lot better than I'd remembered.
@@nuztuz903might want to check your facts before posting
@@nuztuz903 - I understand that it’s the developers of Studio 397 but it falls under Motorsport Games. Just like Codemasters are the developers and it falls under EA.
100% win rate, truly the goat🐐
Seeing the Fuji map the wrong way up made me feel like I've entered an alternate dimension.
I agree with the loose end, specially on the lmp2 cars. The Daytona corner at Le Mans is impossible to do with this car, demanding a completely different approach in comparison to other sims. And I noticed the TC issue as well. Kinda reminds me of Project Cars, where the ABS and TC are awful.
But I enjoying the game. As you said, it's very immersive.
Nice to see a up and coming driver Mr Bro starting his career on sim racing
You have ingame FFB set at 180%, set it at 100% and crank up your fanatec wheel ffb overall strength instead. Maybe the ffb signal is clipping before fanatec software and missing some details for you the way it was set up? (try lower ingame flter/maybe lower fanatec filter setting aswell).
Hello mate, thanks for your review specially about physics it changes from gt7 and I hope this game will get what he deserves. 🙌
Naga x super gt collab🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 svp
YES!!! Please broaden the variety, and really break in that Wheel! Gran Turismo is still my favorite to hate, but there are others like this to compare it to. PLEASE try the MAP of Los Santos on AC... I think.
Amazing video!
This is what I’ve been wanting to come back to the sim world. I remember back in the early 2000’s there was a Le Mans game on the P2 back in the day I used to play, we will see if this can steal away some of my time away from iRacing and ACC. I’m a simple man, I see a C8R I want it. Hopefully we can get trackir or VR support soon as well.
Sweet, looks good for first release.
You are the GOAT in my book ❤
Is a career mode going to be in the full game or is it gonna be like the game play shown.
Sure would be nice to see you drop in and see how the Forza Motorsports rammers are doing.
Is there a roadmap for whats to come, for example the other car brands like you mentioned in the beginning?
I've been trying it all day and I don't know why, but it feels like I'm driving on ice no matter what I try. Heavy rubber, soft tires, trying to get the tires up to temp, none of it matters. I spin and lose control of the cars in the slowest turns without effort.
I wonder if it a fanatec thing cause I felt the same on driving, but Jimmy broadbent seemed happier with the moza
Nice video bro
I really liked the physics of the GT but haven't trted the prototypes yet. I found it very immersive and the A.I was quite good. I had only a few spinners and the prototypes had no problems blowing by me Maybe you're too good Steve?
I LOVE the physics in the GT!!
Im very happy with my purchase after 6 hours played.
you take a look at the store options? saw some tracks and vehicles up there
If you can get past the brutally slow loading screens and menus, the game itself is actually really fun. I know it’s still early access but they really need to optimise it better
Hype! New video
I genuinely thought you entered your name as "Steve Alvarez Bro" because you cba, but then it turned out that it's just being cut off on the HUD 😅
That aside, I'm actually pleasantly surprised that they got rumble strip grip right. There's a load of other issues to still work out, but the driving model is on point. And those engine sounds are gloriously fearsome with headphones on.
As a filthy casual such as myself the immersion of this game is absolutely all I want. I've just ordered a g920 so I can actually play sim racers a bit better and, ofc, maybe i'll end up getting ACC and iRacing and end up feeling like they're much better than LMU which, as I understand it, is basically an expansion of RF2.
Like I say, I just want to race at Le Mans with the current crop of hypercars. This game is perfect for me even if it falls short in a lot of areas. Shame it's come out just before WEC shifts to GT3 but perhaps that could be a change to look forward to.
i very recommend you to play 24h of le mans make like last long race that you play 48h of nurburging
I wish you were this honest about Forza motorsport 8’s force feedback and wheel feeling
I hold your channel very highly but that forza review had me skeptical
Would have saved me 80€
Cheers
The physucs will not change. They sre an improvement on rf2 which is generally considered as some of the best physics and girce feedback in the sim world.
It would be interesting if we could get some classic cars into the game and an online historic Le Mans with the old cars and old circuit with no chicanes.
The ai looks like a bit equal to project cars 2. Really messy racing a gte car with other classes, lmp1 bumping into you on corners etc. But they can improve alot
Super bro what console do you use I wanna get the Wheel you use but need to know if it works for the console I got
I look forward to downloading this
Waiting for toca2 video
toca race driver is a gem.
it was the first racing game i played.
For sure, no other simulator is even close to the sound this one offers. FInd a high quality onboard video of any of these cars and compare the sounds
Hopefully they add the Garage 56 Nascar later
great video as usual Steve,was that 1st place i saw there whoohoooo and it's looking good too and forgive me for asking cos i feel i should know the answer but is it PC only? 👍👍👍
the game is PC only for now, but if the developers get enough funding I think console is most likely on the cards. I think they have touched on bringing it to console at some point but want to get it right on PC first
@@willlashley1378 cheers Wil thanks for that,let's hope they do 👍👍👍
Honestly the online system seems very solid. Ranked daily races, special races and stats!
7:35 the GTE cars actually out-brake the hypercars irl due to the extra weight on the hypercars - I wonder if they were trying to model that accurately. I would commonly see hypercars have to sit behind a GTE going into a corner because GTE brakes later
S Alvarez, Bro
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m looking forward to gtr revival more after seeing this
When you said "11 out of 11", I just had 'This Is Spinal Tap' in my head.
Does it have a safety car?
For long races does it offer the chance to swap drivers?
I found your thoughts on the physics pretty interesting because that’s how I feel about rFactor 2 which this game is based off of.
While I feel like LMU has improved a bit, the cars still feel a bit floaty and it’s hard to tell and feel where the limit is. rF2’s meta is to run low-ish wing and an overall oversteery setup and basically drift every turn and sadly I think LMU follows suit.
I do also hope they tighten up the feeling of the tyres eventually, but for some reason everyone says rF2 is “the most realistic” sim, so I don’t think it and LMU will change much anytime soon…
everyone loves to talk about how much better RF2 is to Iracing and how terrible the iracing tire model is but i have never really found rf2 to be more realistic in the slightest
@@collinclary5762 Apparently, rFactor 2 is the most complex and detailed simulator out there, it has a lot of systems and variables when it comes to the way it does physics.
People love to call rF2 “the most realistic simulation” because of that, but to me it means nothing at all. Sure, it can simulate a lot of things but if it simulates them badly, or the model was fed with bad data, then it’s all for nothing.
At the end of the day, all simulators are games. They all have problems and limitations so it’s a matter of picking what you like and find most pleasant to drive.
RFactor2 gets praise because its tyre structure behaves like that of rubber. It's TGM tool allows you create any tyre structure in a physical rendered model, fully deformable and fully dynamic. The vast majority of Sim racing games are all using static based tyres with torque curves and LUT's that will never be dynamic.
You also have to know that sim racing will always be less communicative than a real car. Lest be real, 90% of Sim racers play these games on stationary chair with stationary wheel. That's way to less of a disadvantage to gauge realism.
@@kak8895I'm all for technology and high tech simulations, but cars are more than a deformable tyre.
AC has a single raycast collision detection with pretty barebones tyre deformation, yet many agree that it is one of the, if not the, best tyre behaviors on the market.
That's why I find the argument of rF2 being the most realistic sim, just because it simulates one out of the many parts of a car really well, pretty dumb. On top of that, it just seems to simulate the deformation part of the tyre really well. You can tell that the rest of the tyre isn't simulated too well because of how the cars need to be setup and driven in that game.
As for the stationary sim rig thing, and how most sim racers won't truly experience the realism of being in a car, it's true but there is still tons and tons of real life data and reference material that games can use and try to replicate. Slip angle curves, suspension movement, driver inputs, car setups, and the list goes on forever.
There's more to physics than what you can feel. If cars behave the wrong way it's not FFB, or a motion rig, that is going to make the game more realistic, like how AMS2 players love to say that FFB "fixes" the game.
You can have really bad physics and really good FFB, and vice versa.
To wrap up this long reply, simulation games love to talk about how complex or how in-depth their systems are and many of us see that as a game being more realistic.
At the end of the day, they're all games developed by people, they're going to have flaws and inaccuracies.
@@nismo97 The race drivers who've played RFactor2 complement it as the closest to the real thing. Who do we believe? Them or a group of sim racing fanboys that have not touched anything short of a race kart not to talk of GT3. Infact, RFactorPRO (although more advanced than RFactor2) is used by race teams on their multiple PC hyper expensive Rigs compared to any racing game in the market.
Truth is FFB in most games (Like AC/ACC) are way to exaggerated to what you'd get in real life. If they mitigated forces to what most race cars behave (power steering/ no power steering), most sim racers will hate the game.
But good points though.
This game is also just an early access so there's a lot more to come, I mean they are updating it everyday it seems
Nice review. Hope u dont mind me asking, why don't you play Forza Motorsport anymore? It's getting much better slowly...
Its not happen fast enough, people is losing fate at turn 10 it might be too late to turn that ship around, and seeing how the treat their own staff is really concerning
Do you think it's better than AC with track and car mods though? Given the number of additional DLCs this will need to get a complete grid I think it'll end up being quite an expensive game? (and the AC community are already doing the majority of these cars / latest track setup)
Forgot about the Ginetta !
It looks good when you can't see much. Nice.
Helo super Gt I have a question about an issue I’m having for multiple times now any time I tried to start a race in the daily race The race never star there is never in my car start moving by itself can you shed some light in this issue? Not sure if you have the same problem. Thank you.
I always open super gt's channel searching for GT7, took me 4 min to realize.
I cant get my CSL DD rotation to completely sync with the game. It starts off being wrong but does end at the right maximum. its like it catches up to itself. the first 90 degrees i have to turn so much and is out of sync with the game. dunno if its a bug but it doesnt seem right.
I hope Motorsports will be able to continue development🤞
For me I think lagging is biggest problem, in terms of physics I found it quite hard to rotate in LMP2 and GTE cars. I've heard this game is based on rF2 engines, so I think there won't be big issues with physics in future, but they do have to improve AI stuff, as they are just stupid, but I only paid something like 15 quid, not gonna complain for now, hope they can add past and future seasons content, more track and cars(G56 NASCAR as well).
To be honest, for €30 this seems quite solid. Needs some physics work but does seem promising. This is niche still but I can see this growing
Not playable for me (2H tested) I would pay 100Eur if I would have fun... but not for 5Eur if I get frustrating.
7:06 Ai is aggressive then immediately plough's into Ai driver's.🤣
It is like what ACC was for AC but then without the graphical update.
The AI problems with overtaking is exactly how the AI in RF2 handles that. I will give this game some more time in the oven
That sound is fuckin crazy
I need advice on buying new SIM racing bundle. Right around 1000$ US dollars. Please help 😊
Can I ask if any of the 4 hot-fixes that have been released since launch have fixed any of the issues you have brought up?
Overall beautiful game tho I hope they keep working on the details of the game.
Steve have you tried the new Rfactor 2 online mode? Its very interesting and looks fun.
Hey Steve, sounds like your describing AMS2. lol
Is there any damage modeling? I saw more than a fee hits from the AI and it looked like there wasn't any.
I know I won't get a response but there's hope lol
All chaos and joking aside, I think it has a lot of potential. Good to see Le mans/WEC get some representation from its own title
i guess it's made only for PC/XBOX Player , thx for the review
There is definitely room for improvement in future updates. Mixed reviews so far
Is it the same studio who made project cars?
Looks like it will be decent
its built on Rfactor 2 right? how does the physics feel compared to RF2?
Is this game a "real sim" like rfactor, iracing, acc.. or is it really driveable with a controller like the f1 games or gran turismo etc?
i got it but decided to refund. it really has potential i believe. liked the visuals, sounds, ffb and physics, but the supper laggy menu and random performance issues, plus wheel issues like steering angle not matching or randomly resetting my fanatec settings made it frustrating
i really hope they manage to greatly improve tho as i feel the foundation is there (it is based off rfactor 2 in the end)
Exactly. Thing things that should absolutely work don't right now. I was hyped for this for 4 months and I refunded after 50 minutes.
The game is on early access
will you do gameplay videos of this game at all?