Experience yes, but i believe batman has more hand to hand experience because Shredder mostly relied on the sword of tengu. That's why i think a draw is a fair choice in battle experience
Batman vs the ninja turtles movie, batman was beating the shit out of shredder so hard that shredder had to resort to dark magic and back-up from the footclan.
They were literally equals while shredder was being merciful, second fight shredder was beating the life out of him with ease, he needed the turtles help to beat him
@@arlainecarinugan3703 Batman was Pummeling Shredder to the ground , Shredder was going for the kill too and he only landed ONE lucky blow that let him do his technique and THAT wasn't enough to take Batman down .
@@arlainecarinugan3703 mercury by what standard. Batman throughout the fight clearly was beating him and so much so that had Batman not been struck with that ass pull of a move he would clearly have beaten him.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.Don't be silly. Too much praise for shredder, but strong, but not the strongest. Batman in the comics defeated much stronger enemies and meta-humans. Batman from the comics will destroy Shredder in hand-to-hand combat
We've never seen them in action, so I've decided to consider only Nightwing, Catwoman, Jason, Tim, and others. And I don't think they are equal to the whole foot clan which, in addition to the usual ninja, includes an elite guard, mystics, Shredder's clones and various armored vehicles. But if we are still considering the Justice League, then I think it would be fair to mention that Shredder has many allies throughout the universe and entire fleets equipped with technological weapons, which have no equal on earth.
We've never seen them in action so we don't know how strong Arkhamverse JL is, but if anything 2003 Shredder already went against the equivalency to the JL in their verse. Silver Sentry and Nobody are basically TMNT equivalents to Superman and Batman
Yeah they did, but in season 1 the shredder doesn't remember that fight, so that means they were in another timeline or created another timeline. Also despite the fact that Shredder lived on earth for almost a thousand years and conquered Japan, I still believe that Batman has more experience in h2h combat, because for the most part Shredder used the sword of tengu or sent his ninjas, but he has more experience in space battles, so I think a draw is a fair outcome
They did not go to any other timeline, Mortu gave them devices that showed them Utrom's history as a simulation (like a VR)... Watch season 1 and 2 again.
To me the one true Shredder is human. The 2003 version is a beast, he's probably the most dangerous. But I won't think of him as the True Shredder. Just a cool alternate version.
@@Me26107 are you Dumb or something. It’s literally Arkham Batman vs Utrom Shredder. Obviously that guy is Referring to Arkham Batmna getting stomped. you saying “Not Arkham Batman” is the most Stupidest shit I have Heard. of course he’s’ Referring to Arkham Batman getting stomped
Shredder takes iq and battle iq for me. And remember, he is an alien, he survived many times the turtles tried to defeat him. He even survived a bomb explosion. He even created a digital copy of him and locked it in the world of the cyberspace (this takes iq and durability. Further more, he had a clan holding his back, a group of demons, two scientists (Dr stockman-chaplin), a samurai girl who promised to serve him forever (karai) a buffed "human -monster"(Hun), a warrior who was the leader of the foot clan after Hun (can), a powerful sword which can destroy all batman's gadgets. He made stockman make turtles and splinter be like in reality in the utroms base when they saw the story of the utroms. He traveled to the future to defeat the turtles. He set up an escape to the utrom world-galaxy and as he was doing that he was destroying 2 planets from other galaxies and if we take it from the movie... He traveled to the other 2 dimensions of the TMNT to defeat all 12 turtles ever existed and together all 3 dimensions, splinter, shredder from 2nd dimensions, karai and that krang alien (also from 2nd dimension. He returned 7 times to achieve his win and without the movie staff... He's still in that asteroid in that Galaxy. Shredder solos. And if it was all 3 shredders....(chre'll, tengu and cyber) no one can stop them
We don't know what Batman would do if he had access to the same technologies that the Shredder has. Perhaps he could do much more significant things. But your point is also true, so IQ really remains a moot decision. But Battle IQ definitely goes to Batman. Not only because he is the world's greatest detective, but he is also a brilliant strategist and is able to instantly assess the situation on the battlefield. Something Ch'rell obviously cannot boast of. When things didn't go according to plan, he always lost to the Turtles or Splinter. Could not quickly adapt to new conditions. I also doubted feats and battle experience until the very end, because, as you said, ch'rell participated in many battles throughout the galaxy, and then on Earth. But for the most part, he was more of a warlord when Batman was a direct participant in the battles. And defeated very strong opponents in hand to hand fights. By the way, I'm not sure that Shredder managed to survive the explosion. Perhaps the worms simply created a clone, because something similar was in the comics.
Arkham batman beats 10+ villains in 1 night 12h at most for 4 games he has every gadget for every scenario and has beaten every villian he’s come across to the point riddler went mad trying to stop him dosent matter which version of shredder it is Arkham is batman in his prime he always wins even if he has to lose first
@@daimyo10 batman learns from his mistakes and adapts to any situation give him some prep time he can beat anyone this is proven knowledge he knew Martian manhunter was a Martian before he even revealed himself to be a Martian and already knew how to beat him when ever Batmans in a fight u always bet on bats the man went toe to toe with darkseid numerous times and win
Watching the TMNT & Batman film, I was really worried they might of given Batman a weak form/design, and people were gonna complain that Arkham Batman would beat the Shredder and vice versa with the Shredder form/design, but i was so wrong and they both fought amazing and had shown weakness when they interacted. Think of this: Shredder is basically Ra's Al Ghul but less of his wisdom, not craving power and has his own code, I felt like batman would of lost either way and im a huge batman fan
@daimyo10 that is true Actually if you seen the tmnt 2012 that shredder is ripped and handle a 6 v 1 against mutants, you think he can handle Arkham Batman?
If u watched the show, then u should know that the utroms said that he launched attacks on planets and started civil wars where millions of innocent people died. So he was more like a space pirate. Nothing about conquerer. But even if he did... i gave batman feats because he was capable to overwhelm Joker's personality in him. For me it's much greater feat than any Ch'rell conquests. And i'm sure that the shredder never would be capable to thing such of this
@@daimyo10 to do that you have to have some kinda power of Dominance and Shredder had a lot of Dominance. Plus he’s far more experienced in fighting than Batman and also Shredders a Threat to the entire Tmnt Verse. That’s more of a feat than anything Batman has done.
Yeah and he stiil lost many times to the turtles and splinter like a rookie. They easily bait him and he always fells for it. Shredder never learns on his mistakes. Can't control his anger
@@Deadringer-xb5vh That’s different, and would be excluded as it’s power and stats increase and drawn from the user’s and opponents life force. Definitely a better armor, but kinda because of hax.
@@daimyo10 Lmao ain’t no way you just said that. Traximus is stronger than 20 Triceratons put together, a Triceraton is as strong as Rocksteady who is at least 600,000 Toner, because, because Leatherhead was able to toss thragg like if he weighs nothing, I have estimated and measured his length weight and Width and he is 300,000 Tons and Leatherhead tossed him like if he’s nothing, Rocksteady is as strong as Leatherhead. so estimated by that and the previous thing that I said, Traximus is a 12,000,000 Toner. Traximus is also super experienced in the battle field he has fought for years, he’s super skilled, and nearly indestructible, he’s also super smart. Just to give how skilled he is he’s top five to be one of the most skilled fighters in the galaxy. Shredder also defeated Traximus. Shredder also defeated the turtles and has fought the turtles, you’d know this if you actually watch the show.
IQ to shredder clearly,Utroms have technologies that are far beyond those on earth so Chlor was starting wars and makes everyone on his planet his enemy so he leaves and creates some next lvl tech that Batman didn’t show any comparison
Foot Ninjas have different units. Tech ninja (invinsible), elite ninjas (shredder's elite guard), foot mechs (robots), shredder's clones and many others. Also shredder has foot mystics - followers of an ancient demon. Each of them is a representative of the earth's elements (water, fire, metal and so on)
Batman was about to defeat shredder before he use his lucky move that works just one time In second fight batman was badly injured and his body was still recovering from the first fight And we all know that batman isn't going to kill when he fight.........
@@savaget-rex5583yeah but must admit 2003 series has a lot of really good villains besides the shredder. Bishop, Drako, Garbageman and especially Necro Monster with tentacles (one of the best episode) and also this guy from underground city the last member of his civilization, dont remember his name
@@manwithwlife4695 So what if Batman is Allie’s with the JL, doesn’t mean he’s that level, Batman is a Puny Weak Pathetic shit head. Utrom Shredder has Henchmens who can beat Arkham Batman.
Shredder’s arrogance would take precedence over tactic, which is pretty much Arkham Batman’s specialty. I don’t think Shredder could just brute force his way into winning considering that he’s lost to the turtles and was humiliated by splinter before.
Интересно, а если сравнивать этого Шреддера и комиксного Бэтмена или Шреддера из комиксов IDW против Бэтмена из комиксов, у кого больше шансов будет? ___________________________________________ I wonder if we compare this Shredder and the comic Batman or the IDW comics Shredder with the comic Batman who would have a better chance
Бэтмен из комиксов сражался против Дарксайда, побеждал всю лигу справедливости, в приницпе был одним из умнейших существ во вселенной. Я думаю, он с легкостью нагнет любого Шреддера, с подготовкой сможет нейтрлизовать даже Тенгу версию
I'd say Shredder has the edge especially if Batman goes for a killing blow on his head. His true form could surprise Batman and give him a shot at a killing blow. Batman can only really be beaten the first time you fight him, anything after that and he'll have gadgets and strategies to put you down.
We've literally seen batman and shredder go head on with only use like 3 gadgets and shredder won so i think its clear who should have goten hand to hand combat
How strong is this Batman? If he's around the same tier as your standard version then Batman's gadgets are absolutely IMPERATIVE against Ch'rell. Without them there's literally nothing meaningful he can do. This Shredder's armor redirects lasers potent enough to paralyze metahuman Triceratons, walked out from a building exploding and collapsing unscratched, and he wasn't dented at all under repeat blows from Zogg who scales to Leatherhead (held a house volume part of the sewers collapsing for a considerable time). Bro's durability is legit multi city block.
I think this is the strongest standard Batman except comics version. Yet shredder's armor was electrified by Stockman and then penetrated by the Turtles. So it's not that invulnerable. In addition, Batman had electric gloves in one of the games. And maybe Batman doesn't need to penetrate the armor, he can outsmart the Shredder, like Splinter did in their first encounter, or drive him into a trap.
@@miragenights801 Strong enough to act as defibrillators to resuscitate the recently stopped hearts, power elevators, generators, etc. Batman actually used the shock gloves' power to shock Bane so hard that his heart beat stopped. Then Batman resuscitated him by using his shock gloves as defibrillators.
People really don't know how powerful 2003 Shredder is, huh? Dude's only hiding in plain sight, on the outside he appears as a street tier criminal mastermind with a foot clan, similarly to Ra's Al Ghul, but in reality he's a space terrorist alien who's responsible for multiple universal genocides. Utroms BARELY captured him after thousands of years by sheer luck and those guys are Brainiac level
The Shredder has a lot of influence in New York but he isn't as powerful as many people think. In his base form Ch'rell lost to the turtles and Splinter many times. Batman is a much more skilful warrior. But it's only my opinion
@@daimyo10 I disagree. First of all turtles only beat him when they were either way more skilled they were previously or when they had the outside help of Utroms or their assets. In season 1 they lose pretty badly to Shredder including Splinter who keep in mind won the Nexus tournament and so did Shredder and so did Mikey. I think you're vastly underestimating Turtles in terms of their skill, they are extremely adaptable and Leo especially is a fast learner. I mean in episode 1 they barely deal with basic foot ninjas and by the end of the show they unlocked their chi to the point where they can transform into dragons 2003 Turtles won against alien invasions, space terrorists, literal monsters, Atlanteans, demons etc. I think Arkham Batman is way out of their league, comic Batman is a different story but this isn't about him
@@tananatana4011 He completely destroyed the Turtles during their first encounter, that's true. But Splinter intervened and humiliated him. Then Shredder attacked them at April's store, but the turtles managed to escape. After that, he turned into a whipping boy. Lost to them in his own tower having different ninjas on one hand and the sword of tengu on the other. Then he allowed the utroms to escape, lost to the turtles again and got himself annihilated. After that even worse, he somehow managed to lose to Triceraton in a 1v1 fight. Imo ch'rell is too arrogant to beat Arkham Batman, he can't control his emotions. Even his digital version was easily baited by Mikey the same way as the original was baited by splinter in season 1. So that means he can't learn from his mistakes. While Batman has the ability to adapt to any opponent and circs in a matter of seconds.
@@daimyo10 His arrogance is something Batman would exploit for sure, but you're making i sound as if Triceraton is a weakling or something. Triceratons are HUUUUGE and scale higher than the titans from Arkham games, plus he was an actual soldier, not just a monster, so he knew how to fight
@@tananatana4011 btw are you sure it was Ch'rell who won the Battle Nexus tournament? There are three statues of winners, but none of them have Shredder's gauntlet. And the armor itself is different even from the feudal version. It could have been someone from the ninja tribunal. The only clue is the helmet, which was on a separate pedestal.
Overall - yes, Chrell obviously has more battle experience. But I feel like Batman has more hand to hand combat experience. Just imagine he deafeated thousands of criminals, Ras Al Ghul, Deathstroke, Bane. I dont remember that shredder has worthy opponents in his past. And even if he did: he let Hamato Yoshi escape from his own stronghold, he slaved mystics because of the sword of tengu not because of his skill(even splinter deafeated them years later). Yeah
How is Batman smarter than intergalactic alien warlord who has been on Earth since 11th century? Plus, Shredder is stronger and faster than Batman definitely. Batman's only chance is some high tech gadget and preparation time.
Exo Shredder has no cover for the utrom inside. This is a vulnerable part of the suit that Batman will use. Also Shredder will lose his mobility. So I think original armor is still a better option for this fight
Tf were you on when you watched it. Shredder and Batman were Stalemating each other in the first fight, till Shredder got the upper Hand. the Second fight Shredder was slamming the entire time, and Batman had to say Cowabunga for help. But this is 2003 Shredder vs Arkham Batman. I’m willing to debate, although I already know Shredder slams, I mean I have all the Arkham Games, and I watched 2003 so I think my opinion is pretty valid, but I’m willing to agree with you, if you can bring any feats that I missed.
@@Hollowmello1285 yeah. But how is Overlord gonna do damage to Tengu Shredder? and also Tengu Shredder can make Overlord weak and Vulnerable to any attack.
Ok. Let's see. Shredder 2003 is the most powerful, and skilled Shredder form tmnt, Arkham Batman is (in my opinion) the best batman. Shredder is better fighter and he has more experience because he has thousands of years behind him so I think combat and skill would go to him and let the kids in the comments not refer to Batman vs TMNT movie because that Shredder it's a completely different character. I am a huge fan of ninja turtles and batman, Shredder is my favorite character from all fiction but if the clash happened by accident, that is, if the Shredder showed up unexpectedly, he would defeat the batman with the mid-high diff. However, if batman managed to escape and get ready to battle for example a few days, it would be a gratefull fight, but Shredder wins High-Extreme diff. it's just my opinion, but I think the most correct :)
He lived a thousand years on earth but that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. He is a skilful warrior but he conquered japan because he had the sword of tengu. No one could oppose this weapon. Not even close. In his basic form Shredder defeated the turtles only one time - at their first encounter, but splinter interrupted and defeated him. Then the Shredder lost in his own tower. Then he lost in the lair of the utroms. And then he was defeated by triceraton on his own ship. Looking at all this, I cannot say that he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. Also he is too arrogant and can't control his anger. I think this is the main reason why he would lose to batman
@@Czerwonynikto agree, i think he was defeated too easily on the utrom's base and i don't believe that just one triceraton was enough to beat him. In the canceled season, he was able to capture the entire Triceraton ship without a suit.
I think it is possible Batman could win a rematch, but I don't think its a given he learns enough about the Shredder in one fight to do it. How long did it take the Turtles to realize that he wasn't even Human? Sure Batman is smarter....but it might take a few fights for him to realize it and he can't win before he figures that out. And even then, it's still a rough fight with that knowledge.
2012 Shreeder would make sense as well as well since 2012 has much better hands than 2003 and you can tell that just by the choreography of the fights and how he fights
Yeah, 2012 is a better fighter but we must admit 2003 series was very limited in animation technology. Every fight scene was like 1-2 punches so they just couldn't show how skilfull this shredder is
@@daimyo10 agreed but I still think shredders physicality and martial prowess in jiu jitsu which is on a different league then the way batman mastered it would be a factor, I think it’d go like the crossover where Batman and shredder fought before but much more brutal
In that crossover Batman was much weaker than the Arkham version. Arkham Batman is second only to Batman from the comics, who soloed the Justice League and defeated Darkseid. The shredder has a physical superiority, but I don't think his knowledge of ninjutsu or jiu-jitsu would give him a distinct advantage. Also, Shredder quite often relied on his ninjas and rarely joined the fight himself, while Batman all the time fought alone against the thugs.
@@daimyo10 We can include ch’rell Shredder + comics shredder, all abilities and stacked feats which is fair because his character is hella inconsistent and could be nerfed sometimes or pretty strong, shredder has perfected his martial art more than batman has mastered his, let alone mastering all other martial arts & shredder relies on aggression, strength, and strikes that are meant to kill someone, batman is more nimble and quick on his feet and he’s definitely more of a grappler type of fighter and although he has gadgets & Whatnot. Not to forget the mention that shredder has tanked missiles unarmored with no damage in comics & even fought in multiple galactic wars aswell as survive explosions that would incinerate a human to ash, this is like physicality/good tactility Vs advanced tactility in my eyes.
I feel like the dude who has been around killing since feudal japan gets experience and combat experience
I think batman has more hand to hand experience because the shredder mostly used the sword of tengu. This is how he conquered Japan
@@daimyo10 it helped ch'rell sure but I wouldnt say that it was the main reason but its debatable so agree to disagree
@@daimyo10almost all of his fights are hand on hand tho
He did fight ra shal Gul and won multiple times, and that guy has been alive for hundreds of years. And his a combat expert too
Most Batman origin stories make it clear he practically knows any form of hand to hand combat
This Shredder would easily take experience over batman when you consider the timeline of the 2003 TMNT
Experience yes, but i believe batman has more hand to hand experience because Shredder mostly relied on the sword of tengu. That's why i think a draw is a fair choice in battle experience
Experience yes
Battle experience no
@@daimyo10
Fair point.
But Shredder is most definitely smarter at building stuff.
@@Overaheadofmyself Mate, Experience and Battle Experience are the same thing.
U tripping
I like how equally close both of them are
Excactly! And many points are so debatable: iq, feats, battle experience, endurance
No they are not close. Op doesn't know what he's saying.
Bruh this version of shredder killed millions
So?
This is actually a pretty good comparison...
Tf no hahhaha the best fighter of the world vs a samurai...
@@lilreverse6095the 2003 Shredder was alot more than just a samurai.
@@TheWhiteCometofAkagi1999 i know but batman is literally the strongest human in fiction without powers
@@lilreverse6095no tf lol go pick up a manga
@@user-mo8ji3lp8x i have read more comics than you and batman negs shredder. AND HAHAH IT'S NOT EVEN A MANGA
Batman vs the ninja turtles movie, batman was beating the shit out of shredder so hard that shredder had to resort to dark magic and back-up from the footclan.
I think they were pretty equal before shredder used magic
They were literally equals while shredder was being merciful, second fight shredder was beating the life out of him with ease, he needed the turtles help to beat him
@@arlainecarinugan3703 Batman was Pummeling Shredder to the ground , Shredder was going for the kill too and he only landed ONE lucky blow that let him do his technique and THAT wasn't enough to take Batman down .
thats not the same shredder 💀
@@arlainecarinugan3703 mercury by what standard. Batman throughout the fight clearly was beating him and so much so that had Batman not been struck with that ass pull of a move he would clearly have beaten him.
This was the version Of shredder I wanted to see fight Batman it would have been epic
Shredder would absolutely destroy him.
Stop Playing, He’s stronger, Faster, Smarter, Battle iq, equal combat, more durable, and more agility.
Shredder Wins: Mid Diff.
and if he has the sword of Tengu he Destroys.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.Agreed.
@@hermitus9746
Shredder literally destroys The Arkham Villains and Arkham Batman at the same time.
Low-Diff.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.Don't be silly. Too much praise for shredder, but strong, but not the strongest. Batman in the comics defeated much stronger enemies and meta-humans. Batman from the comics will destroy Shredder in hand-to-hand combat
But doesn't Batman's allies consist of the entire Justice League + Bat family?
We've never seen them in action, so I've decided to consider only Nightwing, Catwoman, Jason, Tim, and others. And I don't think they are equal to the whole foot clan which, in addition to the usual ninja, includes an elite guard, mystics, Shredder's clones and various armored vehicles. But if we are still considering the Justice League, then I think it would be fair to mention that Shredder has many allies throughout the universe and entire fleets equipped with technological weapons, which have no equal on earth.
We've never seen them in action so we don't know how strong Arkhamverse JL is, but if anything 2003 Shredder already went against the equivalency to the JL in their verse. Silver Sentry and Nobody are basically TMNT equivalents to Superman and Batman
I don't think so since considering The game never Told us if The Jl exist in the verse only allies he has are Red hood Nightwing And Catwoman
@@daimyo10 Wait tim is in the Arkham??? verse dam didn't knew that
@@hayabusa2360 he was in Arkham city and Arkham knight
the 2003 shredder has more battle experience first off because when the turtles traveled back in time they fought him
Yeah they did, but in season 1 the shredder doesn't remember that fight, so that means they were in another timeline or created another timeline.
Also despite the fact that Shredder lived on earth for almost a thousand years and conquered Japan, I still believe that Batman has more experience in h2h combat, because for the most part Shredder used the sword of tengu or sent his ninjas, but he has more experience in space battles, so I think a draw is a fair outcome
@daimyo10 i think the device that mortu gave them reomved these actions coz the future mortu didn't remember them being there
@@daimyo10
It doesn’t work like that, you need to go to time first, for it could start to Change.
They did not go to any other timeline, Mortu gave them devices that showed them Utrom's history as a simulation (like a VR)... Watch season 1 and 2 again.
You can’t destroy the one true shreddee
To me the one true Shredder is human. The 2003 version is a beast, he's probably the most dangerous. But I won't think of him as the True Shredder. Just a cool alternate version.
@@cheeseburger12he is shedder
Tengu Shredder is the one true shredder.
Cyber shredder is true shredded 😂
Imagine Spider-Man and Batman Teamed Up Against The Shredder
RIP Shredder
They be gangster till he becomes super shredder
@@SpinosaurusFan296Until Spider-Man stops goofing around, shredded would get clapped bro.
@@yourmomsbf9745
Utrom Shredder Negs Not holding back Spider-Man.
@@MasterGoonWay69 Spider is 80 tonner at max, has a spider sense and he’s more intelligent than shredder. Spidey would punch a hole through his chest.
This would be the sickest fight ever
No, it Really wouldn’t.
Shredder shit stomps, low diff.
@@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.
Not Arkam Batman
@@Me26107
are you Dumb or something.
It’s literally Arkham Batman vs Utrom Shredder.
Obviously that guy is Referring to Arkham Batmna getting stomped.
you saying “Not Arkham Batman” is the most Stupidest shit I have Heard.
of course he’s’ Referring to Arkham Batman getting stomped
I love batman but lets be fr, shredder beats batman when they're both at maximum potential
I bet on Batman
I'd bet on shredder, shredder has defeated a version of batman before
Shredder
I love both
Close but it's the dark knight
I totally agree with you especially the Arkham Batman he is the best Batman when it comes to fighting skills so yes. 😅
Nah. Especially this version of Shredder that isn't even human. Although Batman would wipe the floor with him without his armor.
@@cheeseburger12even out of the armor, The little squid bastard kicks ass
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I'm confident that Batman can take unarmored Shredder (2003) without problems. Armored Shredder wrecks Batman.
@@gladiator5085
Dang, not even the most powerful version of Shredder slams the best at hand to hand Combat Batman.
Shredder takes iq and battle iq for me. And remember, he is an alien, he survived many times the turtles tried to defeat him. He even survived a bomb explosion. He even created a digital copy of him and locked it in the world of the cyberspace (this takes iq and durability. Further more, he had a clan holding his back, a group of demons, two scientists (Dr stockman-chaplin), a samurai girl who promised to serve him forever (karai) a buffed "human -monster"(Hun), a warrior who was the leader of the foot clan after Hun (can), a powerful sword which can destroy all batman's gadgets. He made stockman make turtles and splinter be like in reality in the utroms base when they saw the story of the utroms. He traveled to the future to defeat the turtles. He set up an escape to the utrom world-galaxy and as he was doing that he was destroying 2 planets from other galaxies and if we take it from the movie... He traveled to the other 2 dimensions of the TMNT to defeat all 12 turtles ever existed and together all 3 dimensions, splinter, shredder from 2nd dimensions, karai and that krang alien (also from 2nd dimension. He returned 7 times to achieve his win and without the movie staff... He's still in that asteroid in that Galaxy. Shredder solos. And if it was all 3 shredders....(chre'll, tengu and cyber) no one can stop them
We don't know what Batman would do if he had access to the same technologies that the Shredder has. Perhaps he could do much more significant things. But your point is also true, so IQ really remains a moot decision.
But Battle IQ definitely goes to Batman. Not only because he is the world's greatest detective, but he is also a brilliant strategist and is able to instantly assess the situation on the battlefield. Something Ch'rell obviously cannot boast of. When things didn't go according to plan, he always lost to the Turtles or Splinter. Could not quickly adapt to new conditions.
I also doubted feats and battle experience until the very end, because, as you said, ch'rell participated in many battles throughout the galaxy, and then on Earth. But for the most part, he was more of a warlord when Batman was a direct participant in the battles. And defeated very strong opponents in hand to hand fights.
By the way, I'm not sure that Shredder managed to survive the explosion. Perhaps the worms simply created a clone, because something similar was in the comics.
@@daimyo10 Yes you have a point here and no I don't think it's a clone
@@Angel_tsak I hope so. But can’t imagine how he could survive that explosion, even if the building was demolished under the foundation
@@daimyo10 I can't too but it's a cartoon so... The developers made it this way
Chrell is the best Shredder
Arkham batman beats 10+ villains in 1 night 12h at most for 4 games he has every gadget for every scenario and has beaten every villian he’s come across to the point riddler went mad trying to stop him dosent matter which version of shredder it is Arkham is batman in his prime he always wins even if he has to lose first
If batman finds a way to penetrate the shredder's armor or somehow outsmart him then he'll win. Until this moment it will be a tough fight.
@@daimyo10 batman learns from his mistakes and adapts to any situation give him some prep time he can beat anyone this is proven knowledge he knew Martian manhunter was a Martian before he even revealed himself to be a Martian and already knew how to beat him when ever Batmans in a fight u always bet on bats the man went toe to toe with darkseid numerous times and win
@@daimyo10 if Batman has enough given prep time, he could easily beat shredder.
@@jackfishbock5102 with preps time batman will beat anyone)
@@daimyo10 Yes, absolutely
This battle is legendary after all their even each other out
Watching the TMNT & Batman film, I was really worried they might of given Batman a weak form/design, and people were gonna complain that Arkham Batman would beat the Shredder and vice versa with the Shredder form/design, but i was so wrong and they both fought amazing and had shown weakness when they interacted.
Think of this: Shredder is basically Ra's Al Ghul but less of his wisdom, not craving power and has his own code, I felt like batman would of lost either way and im a huge batman fan
This shredder has no code or honor. He is pure evil. Power and revenge are the only things he wants
@daimyo10 that is true
Actually if you seen the tmnt 2012 that shredder is ripped and handle a 6 v 1 against mutants, you think he can handle Arkham Batman?
Batman is going to be fighting 2003 shredder for a while. 2003 shredder is honestly just built different
Yeah, i think so too
Utrom Shredder negs Batman won’t fight shit for a while.
Batman is cooked
I say Shredder
Im taking this shredder and 2012 shredder straight demons
Shredder Conquered Planets, Arkham Batman defeated his villains in one night.
Conquer Plantes > Defeating all your Villains in one night.
He carried out the genocide of peaceful planets, there was no one to conquer except ordinary civilians
@@daimyo10 he literally said he conquered Planets in turtles forever
If u watched the show, then u should know that the utroms said that he launched attacks on planets and started civil wars where millions of innocent people died. So he was more like a space pirate. Nothing about conquerer. But even if he did... i gave batman feats because he was capable to overwhelm Joker's personality in him. For me it's much greater feat than any Ch'rell conquests. And i'm sure that the shredder never would be capable to thing such of this
@@daimyo10 to do that you have to have some kinda power of Dominance and Shredder had a lot of Dominance.
Plus he’s far more experienced in fighting than Batman and also Shredders a Threat to the entire Tmnt Verse.
That’s more of a feat than anything Batman has done.
this is the best comparison i've seen on yt
Not surprised it's so close.
CH'RELL destroy TMNT multiverse
Battle Experience goes Shredder. Shredder BIQ is 1000 years minimum.
Yeah and he stiil lost many times to the turtles and splinter like a rookie. They easily bait him and he always fells for it. Shredder never learns on his mistakes. Can't control his anger
03 Shredder beats Arkham Batman. It would be a good fight tho
Bro gives armor to a Shredder ☠️
This armour is made of the utrom's metal which is stronger than any batman technology
@@daimyo10 true
When you don't know shot about shredder armor
Shredder armor is stronger than any batman armor ever
@@spunkymaniac9312 hellbat
@@Deadringer-xb5vh That’s different, and would be excluded as it’s power and stats increase and drawn from the user’s and opponents life force. Definitely a better armor, but kinda because of hax.
Shredder would win he’s fought the entire Tmnt at once the Tmnt could beat the Batman villains easy.
Bro, he lost to the triceratoron😂
@@daimyo10
Lmao ain’t no way you just said that.
Traximus is stronger than 20 Triceratons put together, a Triceraton is as strong as Rocksteady who is at least 600,000 Toner, because, because Leatherhead was able to toss thragg like if he weighs nothing, I have estimated and measured his length weight and Width and he is 300,000 Tons and Leatherhead tossed him like if he’s nothing, Rocksteady is as strong as Leatherhead.
so estimated by that and the previous thing that I said, Traximus is a 12,000,000 Toner.
Traximus is also super experienced in the battle field he has fought for years, he’s super skilled, and nearly indestructible, he’s also super smart.
Just to give how skilled he is he’s top five to be one of the most skilled fighters in the galaxy.
Shredder also defeated Traximus.
Shredder also defeated the turtles and has fought the turtles, you’d know this if you actually watch the show.
You Batman fan? What hypocrisy
Both are geniuses in so many ways , so ...
A tie .
Shredder stomps.
IQ to shredder clearly,Utroms have technologies that are far beyond those on earth so Chlor was starting wars and makes everyone on his planet his enemy so he leaves and creates some next lvl tech that Batman didn’t show any comparison
I’d pay to see this
batman is better
I’ve been at this since 1939, and I don’t look a day over 30. I’ll never tell you how I do it.
Winner? You decide, obviously. How classic.
Okay, I feel like Nightwing, Robin, and Catwoman are probably better than Foot Ninjas
Foot Ninjas have different units. Tech ninja (invinsible), elite ninjas (shredder's elite guard), foot mechs (robots), shredder's clones and many others. Also shredder has foot mystics - followers of an ancient demon. Each of them is a representative of the earth's elements (water, fire, metal and so on)
Hun destroys all of them by himself
@@MasterGoonWay69idk about that
@@josephkadlec3104
you don’t know.
Cause you Don’t know Hun
2003 shredder wins he literally got his head cut off and still survived because he is not a human
Skill and Gadjet-Shredder
Can anyone please name the song and up vote it so that others can also know😅
Halsey - New Americana
Batman was about to defeat shredder before he use his lucky move that works just one time
In second fight batman was badly injured and his body was still recovering from the first fight
And we all know that batman isn't going to kill when he fight.........
that shredder is just a human... and still he won
This is Arkham Batman vs 2003 Shredder.
i think Shredder wins
He Claps, he doesn’t just win.
bro batman already beat shrdder in batman and tmmt @@Hamilton-The-Unstoppable.
@@RogerStanford23That's not 2003 Shredder tho
giving armor to a samurai with one suit over someone with 20+ different suits, for 20+ different scenarios is crazy
Actually Shredder had a couple of suits through out the series and it was made from utroms metal which is far stronger than any batman armor
Batman runs at Shredder but Shredder punches him to the dirt and kills him by stabbing him
I'm curious. In what areas do you think Batman is definitely better than Shredder?
This is really accurate
Excellent choice bro! What's your favorite version of Shredder? Utrom? Cyber or Tengu Shredder?
Utrom Shredder from Season 1 that's for sure
@@daimyo10 Same. I like him too. The turtle series is nothing without the Shredder!
@@savaget-rex5583yeah but must admit 2003 series has a lot of really good villains besides the shredder. Bishop, Drako, Garbageman and especially Necro Monster with tentacles (one of the best episode) and also this guy from underground city the last member of his civilization, dont remember his name
Shredder already has beaten Batman
Different versions
Tight battle hard to predict outcome
skill=Shredder
No
@@Biggest3ofroblox lol, yes
@@TUNAR_C.100Talysh batman skills
Creating any weapon by himself
He literally fighting with has prep army
@@Biggest3ofroblox 1 vs1 Batman will lose to Shredder
Weapons goes to both
The sword of tengu > any batman weapon
His allies are the justice league 😅
Foot Mystics>Justice league😁
@@daimyo10 ok sorry it took so long for me to get back to you but um , THE FOOT MYTHICS WOULD GET SPIT ON BY THE JUSTICE LEAGUE.
@@manwithwlife4695
So what if Batman is Allie’s with the JL, doesn’t mean he’s that level, Batman is a Puny Weak Pathetic shit head.
Utrom Shredder has Henchmens who can beat Arkham Batman.
Shredder’s arrogance would take precedence over tactic, which is pretty much Arkham Batman’s specialty. I don’t think Shredder could just brute force his way into winning considering that he’s lost to the turtles and was humiliated by splinter before.
Utrom Shredder is infinite times better than Arkham Batman. In literally every Stat.
Batman Wins High Diff
Интересно, а если сравнивать этого Шреддера и комиксного Бэтмена или Шреддера из комиксов IDW против Бэтмена из комиксов, у кого больше шансов будет?
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I wonder if we compare this Shredder and the comic Batman or the IDW comics Shredder with the comic Batman who would have a better chance
Бэтмен из комиксов сражался против Дарксайда, побеждал всю лигу справедливости, в приницпе был одним из умнейших существ во вселенной. Я думаю, он с легкостью нагнет любого Шреддера, с подготовкой сможет нейтрлизовать даже Тенгу версию
If it was Tengu shredder this would be a different story.
Batman with prep time>Tengu Shredder😁😁😁
@@daimyo10dostum tengu shredder izledinmi tengu shredder supermani bile yener
@@daimyo10, how?
Tengu vs Hellbat
@@life4trinity
Tengu Shredder will just turn that suit into Nothingness.
Lmfao.
Imagine Batman vs tengu shredder 💀
I'd say Shredder has the edge especially if Batman goes for a killing blow on his head. His true form could surprise Batman and give him a shot at a killing blow. Batman can only really be beaten the first time you fight him, anything after that and he'll have gadgets and strategies to put you down.
And Shredder failed twice in the comics
We've literally seen batman and shredder go head on with only use like 3 gadgets and shredder won so i think its clear who should have goten hand to hand combat
Ur telling me shredder has more knowledge then batman. Really
He's 1500 years old advanced alien from another galaxy, ofc he has more knowledge than batman
@daimyo10 oh the krang shredder. Thanks its been a while since when I first saw that series
IF TMNT V BM HAD THIS SHREDDER MY CHILDHOOD
WOULD WEET ITSELF
Name music?
Shredder is nothing without his armor if it was hand to hand combat Batman would win easy diff
If bat man has no suit and shredder has no suit shredder wins but this version is a utrom so yea..
How strong is this Batman? If he's around the same tier as your standard version then Batman's gadgets are absolutely IMPERATIVE against Ch'rell. Without them there's literally nothing meaningful he can do. This Shredder's armor redirects lasers potent enough to paralyze metahuman Triceratons, walked out from a building exploding and collapsing unscratched, and he wasn't dented at all under repeat blows from Zogg who scales to Leatherhead (held a house volume part of the sewers collapsing for a considerable time). Bro's durability is legit multi city block.
I think this is the strongest standard Batman except comics version.
Yet shredder's armor was electrified by Stockman and then penetrated by the Turtles. So it's not that invulnerable. In addition, Batman had electric gloves in one of the games. And maybe Batman doesn't need to penetrate the armor, he can outsmart the Shredder, like Splinter did in their first encounter, or drive him into a trap.
@@daimyo10 Electrocution works differently from blunt force trauma. It courses through the circuitry damaging his suit's functions.
@@miragenights801 Then it's even easier considering Arkham Batman has shock gloves.
@@HarryK-ld2ed How strong are they
@@miragenights801 Strong enough to act as defibrillators to resuscitate the recently stopped hearts, power elevators, generators, etc. Batman actually used the shock gloves' power to shock Bane so hard that his heart beat stopped. Then Batman resuscitated him by using his shock gloves as defibrillators.
People really don't know how powerful 2003 Shredder is, huh? Dude's only hiding in plain sight, on the outside he appears as a street tier criminal mastermind with a foot clan, similarly to Ra's Al Ghul, but in reality he's a space terrorist alien who's responsible for multiple universal genocides.
Utroms BARELY captured him after thousands of years by sheer luck and those guys are Brainiac level
The Shredder has a lot of influence in New York but he isn't as powerful as many people think. In his base form Ch'rell lost to the turtles and Splinter many times. Batman is a much more skilful warrior. But it's only my opinion
@@daimyo10 I disagree. First of all turtles only beat him when they were either way more skilled they were previously or when they had the outside help of Utroms or their assets.
In season 1 they lose pretty badly to Shredder including Splinter who keep in mind won the Nexus tournament and so did Shredder and so did Mikey.
I think you're vastly underestimating Turtles in terms of their skill, they are extremely adaptable and Leo especially is a fast learner. I mean in episode 1 they barely deal with basic foot ninjas and by the end of the show they unlocked their chi to the point where they can transform into dragons
2003 Turtles won against alien invasions, space terrorists, literal monsters, Atlanteans, demons etc.
I think Arkham Batman is way out of their league, comic Batman is a different story but this isn't about him
@@tananatana4011 He completely destroyed the Turtles during their first encounter, that's true. But Splinter intervened and humiliated him. Then Shredder attacked them at April's store, but the turtles managed to escape. After that, he turned into a whipping boy. Lost to them in his own tower having different ninjas on one hand and the sword of tengu on the other. Then he allowed the utroms to escape, lost to the turtles again and got himself annihilated. After that even worse, he somehow managed to lose to Triceraton in a 1v1 fight.
Imo ch'rell is too arrogant to beat Arkham Batman, he can't control his emotions. Even his digital version was easily baited by Mikey the same way as the original was baited by splinter in season 1. So that means he can't learn from his mistakes. While Batman has the ability to adapt to any opponent and circs in a matter of seconds.
@@daimyo10 His arrogance is something Batman would exploit for sure, but you're making i sound as if Triceraton is a weakling or something. Triceratons are HUUUUGE and scale higher than the titans from Arkham games, plus he was an actual soldier, not just a monster, so he knew how to fight
@@tananatana4011 btw are you sure it was Ch'rell who won the Battle Nexus tournament? There are three statues of winners, but none of them have Shredder's gauntlet. And the armor itself is different even from the feudal version. It could have been someone from the ninja tribunal. The only clue is the helmet, which was on a separate pedestal.
Batman extreme difficulty
batman gana sin diferencia
Did you really give Battle experience equal?
Ch'rell is thousands years old 😄
Overall - yes, Chrell obviously has more battle experience. But I feel like Batman has more hand to hand combat experience. Just imagine he deafeated thousands of criminals, Ras Al Ghul, Deathstroke, Bane. I dont remember that shredder has worthy opponents in his past. And even if he did: he let Hamato Yoshi escape from his own stronghold, he slaved mystics because of the sword of tengu not because of his skill(even splinter deafeated them years later). Yeah
my guy batman is built different,he definitely wins this
shredder got this easy
@@RaphaeltheRonin you ever played the arkham games my guy?
@@asylumpatient96 oh yes it was very fun beating the crap out of people but I can't see him coming close to this shredder
@@RaphaeltheRonin cool
@@asylumpatient96 👍
Knowledge,IQ and BIQ easily goes to Batman
Nah, this shredder is around 1,5k years old. He is an utrom and these guys are very smart and advanced race. So knowledge definitely goes to him
@@daimyo10
You on crack. Obviously shredder fanboy. Eat a 🦇 D
How is Batman smarter than intergalactic alien warlord who has been on Earth since 11th century? Plus, Shredder is stronger and faster than Batman definitely. Batman's only chance is some high tech gadget and preparation time.
Arkham Batman is disgusting. And I mean disgustingly good at combat. Shredder don’t stand a chance
Batman has more feats in the comics then Shredder soo Batman wins
Maybe but its not comics batman
@@daimyo10
Cope and capin
Utrom Shredder has way More Feats and better ones to, Shredder Negs.
and it’s Arkham Batman not Comic Batman.
What is this song?
Halsey - New Americana
imagine exo shredder vs arkham batman, batman has no chance
Exo Shredder has no cover for the utrom inside. This is a vulnerable part of the suit that Batman will use. Also Shredder will lose his mobility. So I think original armor is still a better option for this fight
Sen tengu shredder ı hayal et onu superman bile yenemez
allies is just so untrue. justice league > footclan all day
Foot Mystics > Justice League
Batman already defeated shredder
Wish they brought Scott to voice Shredder again in Fortnite
In that case they would have dishonored scotty ray
@@daimyo10 Yep😔 btw can you do Elite Ninjas vs Dark Turtles or Og Turtles vs Dark Turtles
Shredder wins😊
Batman vs Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Batman pummeles Shredder to a pulp after throwing him off by saying "Cowabunga!"
Tf were you on when you watched it.
Shredder and Batman were Stalemating each other in the first fight, till Shredder got the upper Hand.
the Second fight Shredder was slamming the entire time, and Batman had to say Cowabunga for help.
But this is 2003 Shredder vs Arkham Batman.
I’m willing to debate, although I already know Shredder slams, I mean I have all the Arkham Games, and I watched 2003 so I think my opinion is pretty valid, but I’m willing to agree with you, if you can bring any feats that I missed.
What's the music in the background?
Halsey - New Americana
Equal as far as combat. Batman is smarter, though.... but 2003 Shredder literally refuses to die.
He only dies in the crossover movie
By a multiversal destroying beam, dude has his one kind of plot armor
Imagine Overlord (Lego Ninjago) vs tengu shredder (TMNT)
I think tengu shredder wins
@@gbjskpkkjeksksmsmmsmsmno he doesn't overlord is immortal outside of the fact only golden weapons can kill him
@@Hollowmello1285
yeah. But how is Overlord gonna do damage to Tengu Shredder?
and also Tengu Shredder can make Overlord weak and Vulnerable to any attack.
@@MasterGoonWay69 true
@@Hollowmello1285
Also, Utrom Shredder Negs Arkham Batman.
How does batman have more endurance than a machine
batman destroys anyone with a bit of prep time
So it's a tie😅
Ch'rell negs
If the turtles didn't help batman he would've died
giving shredder weapons over batman is crazy
Batman doesnt have "weapon", he has gadgets
I think shredder will win
Batman can defeat 6D creatures
Ok. Let's see. Shredder 2003 is the most powerful, and skilled Shredder form tmnt, Arkham Batman is (in my opinion) the best batman. Shredder is better fighter and he has more experience because he has thousands of years behind him so I think combat and skill would go to him and let the kids in the comments not refer to Batman vs TMNT movie because that Shredder it's a completely different character. I am a huge fan of ninja turtles and batman, Shredder is my favorite character from all fiction but if the clash happened by accident, that is, if the Shredder showed up unexpectedly, he would defeat the batman with the mid-high diff. However, if batman managed to escape and get ready to battle for example a few days, it would be a gratefull fight, but Shredder wins High-Extreme diff. it's just my opinion, but I think the most correct :)
He lived a thousand years on earth but that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. He is a skilful warrior but he conquered japan because he had the sword of tengu. No one could oppose this weapon. Not even close.
In his basic form Shredder defeated the turtles only one time - at their first encounter, but splinter interrupted and defeated him. Then the Shredder lost in his own tower. Then he lost in the lair of the utroms. And then he was defeated by triceraton on his own ship. Looking at all this, I cannot say that he is a better fighter than Arkham Batman. Also he is too arrogant and can't control his anger. I think this is the main reason why he would lose to batman
@@daimyo10 Yes. He is not weak, I think half of those times he lost because plot armor, but what you say is also true
@@Czerwonynikto agree, i think he was defeated too easily on the utrom's base and i don't believe that just one triceraton was enough to beat him. In the canceled season, he was able to capture the entire Triceraton ship without a suit.
@@newstan Yes, that's true.
I think it is possible Batman could win a rematch, but I don't think its a given he learns enough about the Shredder in one fight to do it. How long did it take the Turtles to realize that he wasn't even Human? Sure Batman is smarter....but it might take a few fights for him to realize it and he can't win before he figures that out. And even then, it's still a rough fight with that knowledge.
2012 Shreeder would make sense as well as well since 2012 has much better hands than 2003 and you can tell that just by the choreography of the fights and how he fights
Yeah, 2012 is a better fighter but we must admit 2003 series was very limited in animation technology. Every fight scene was like 1-2 punches so they just couldn't show how skilfull this shredder is
@@daimyo10 yeah but it’s literally a flash then a punch or kick the fights or cool but you start to see a pattern in them
Batman always
Shredder mops batman, doesn’t matter how much of an intellect he is
Not the fact that batman is smarter than the utrom shredder. He's just very OP and analyzes the situation better during the fight.
@@daimyo10 agreed but I still think shredders physicality and martial prowess in jiu jitsu which is on a different league then the way batman mastered it would be a factor, I think it’d go like the crossover where Batman and shredder fought before but much more brutal
In that crossover Batman was much weaker than the Arkham version. Arkham Batman is second only to Batman from the comics, who soloed the Justice League and defeated Darkseid. The shredder has a physical superiority, but I don't think his knowledge of ninjutsu or jiu-jitsu would give him a distinct advantage. Also, Shredder quite often relied on his ninjas and rarely joined the fight himself, while Batman all the time fought alone against the thugs.
@@daimyo10 We can include ch’rell Shredder + comics shredder, all abilities and stacked feats which is fair because his character is hella inconsistent and could be nerfed sometimes or pretty strong, shredder has perfected his martial art more than batman has mastered his, let alone mastering all other martial arts & shredder relies on aggression, strength, and strikes that are meant to kill someone, batman is more nimble and quick on his feet and he’s definitely more of a grappler type of fighter and although he has gadgets & Whatnot. Not to forget the mention that shredder has tanked missiles unarmored with no damage in comics & even fought in multiple galactic wars aswell as survive explosions that would incinerate a human to ash, this is like physicality/good tactility Vs advanced tactility in my eyes.
Chrell shredder win
What is the song called
Halsey - New Americana
Is this on IG?
Batman wins
the name of the song ?
Halsey - Americana (remix)