@@wuhhlfarg5578 Well yeah, my point is that light hates him and losing to him so much that he has worked super hard for months to know exactly how to beat him
@@spacedaddy6181 fox is incredibly hard to play at a high level and there really isn’t another fox at the level Light is, he’s just a really good player with great reaction time and decision making, honestly no one else could make fox look that good
Glad to have seen both Onin do so well! Another NA Top 8 to add to the resume. GG's to Light has well, now he's got sets on both top Steves, and I think this set fully shuts down any doubt that he's best in the U.S.
This also ends the "Steve will destroy the meta" and "Steve has no viable counterplay" argument. I don't see anyone saying "ban Steve" without it being a joke, anymore. Thank God.
@@Spyder-Marth ah yeah the guy that was irrelevant before picking up Steve now ONLY got third, definitely not a ban worthy character, since he's not beating all the top players with 100% winrate anymore
@@muuurbles1780 yeah but in the 14th century people didn't demand others to use the "they/them" on them, writers sometimes did use this pronouns referring to a singular individual, but no one demand them to use this pronouns. People may use "they/them" on me and they would be correct, even tho I prefer "he/him" I would definitely not throw a tantrum over such a stupid thing. Using "he/him" pronouns on a male individual would be correct
Onin openly saying that the public coached him during the set is the most mature thing I've seen such a young player do in a tournament, Onin doesn't deserve the hate he gets just for playing Steve.
@@Ace22 Wow so using taunts that were IMPLEMENTED in the game by the devs is considered a crime? Idk Karen... gotta go complain to the devs of the Gam--- if wait, they don't listen to us! Well damn guess you're out of luck 😂
@@janswhatsupdoc yeah lol, onin does thus but later goes onto camp behind a wall or setup an anvil on top of a block, ain't nobody gonna like you if you do that.
I don't think Kazuya is too broken I just hate that you pretty much have to camp him and hope to keep him in disadvantage the entire game in order to win
Kazuya is broken. He has only two disadvantages, range and ground speed. ( the later is not too bad) Everything else, invincibility, super armor, frame priority, good recovery with a decent hitboz on top to avoid spikes. Good horizontal manuveouring so you cannot gimp him. A comback mechanic, combos you can learn in just a week. The fsct you don't need to play him expertlybto win, you can just spam smash and do some other bread ad butter to win( like when TEA used Kazuya) He is super heavy and alwaya fies beyond 150%. The fact his damage output rivals peach without needing skill. The fact he kills you in one interaction. Yes...I think Kazuya is disgusting and broken.
@@Yokai_Yuri you are trying to really under sell Kazuya lol. Ground speed is not his disadvantage. His ground speed is actually pretty good. His biggest disadvantage is his disadvantage state. He has one of the worst in the game. Arguably the worst since he lacks solid landing options. Which is why his advantage state is so good. His combos aren't overly complicated, but it's way more work than the majority of the roster with their single input combos lol. Is he a pretty good character, sure. Broken? Hell no.
@@Yokai_Yuri nice angry walk of text. I’d say riddles has proved definitively you can’t just learn EWGF and call it a day. Look at how he’s developed against light. He’s now using Kazuya’s entire kit to win neutral interactions rather than fish for 0-deaths all game, which is why he beat light twice despite losing the three previous interactions
Perhaps a bit random of me to mention it but after Leo getting washed at summit i believe he will focus on byleth/joker again and will probably destroy everyone once again At least i hope so
I really like how steve let you being this creative with him. onin seem to keep finding new tech that great. GG to light. he understand well the match up
@@theflashgordon193 The way Steve blocks work, they are pretty unbalanced even with their short timer. Blocks have no place in a platform fighting game due to how they nullify entire characters.
Seeing Onin in top 3 winners broke the chat's competitive spirit. Onin is out here being tens of thousands of players without even knowing their names. Crazy
Having a top tier as well as a top tier player helped too. Nevertheless, it doesn't erase the fact that with all circumstances being equal, Steve requires the overwhelming majority of the 89 playable characters to singificantly outplay him to win.
@@TK-ev hey I won’t argue with you on that. Steve is dumb as hell, but people are doing better against him. He’s not the unstoppable, game-killing monster everyone was making him out to be.
Steve sucks man. I don't dislike Onin, he seems chill and does cool stuff w/ the character but the DLC smash team really didn't learn their lesson from Smash 4. I think from now on ima just root for whoever has a non-DLC character lol.
@@dripfoe_3307 LMAO how can you be pissed about that? He's a crowd pleaser and likes to do shit for the memes. It's funny as hell to see that in top eight. If you actually dislike someone for that, you gotta lighten up.
@@BE-fw1lr I won't lighten up. Onin's peers such as Shadic, Spargo, Bloom4eva, Riddles, Syrup are all respectful and show Sportsmanship. Crowd pleasing in the form of taunting your opponent is something you do when you put the time in, are well established and most importantly you really know the player you're fighting.
0:00 this is incredibly disrespectful, instead of checking his controller or the set up he was opening pokemon cards and then light made a great 49% string and it all when to the thrash because that shithead wasn't paying attention and didn't select his controller properly, jesus. He should have started the set 1-0 to light's favor for this shit
"Top 3 of this tournament is Steve Fox and Kazuya and it's not even a Tekken tournament." That line blew my mind
Ultimate is such a good game all things considered
Pretty damn good line
@@killer809829 I think you missed the joke. Steve Fox is a character from Tekken
@@hwanniggles187 everyone knows that. It’s the fact that kazuya and cast get to shine on another game . Ultimate pulls it off making it a good game….
yeah and grand finals of melee was yoshi and fox. Not even tekken
You can tell how much light really hates steve, he has been practicing and learning and training exactly how to beat him and it's paying off here
Everyone hates Steve cause he requires no fundies or being good at smash
Steve hard carries
@@wuhhlfarg5578 Well yeah, my point is that light hates him and losing to him so much that he has worked super hard for months to know exactly how to beat him
@@wuhhlfarg5578 you try picking him up and doing the same, then. Fucking clown
@@wuhhlfarg5578 skill issue
Steve tormented him after all
The start of the set threw me for a loop, like I just watched Light combo Onin to 50% and immediately kill himself
the ultimate BM
i love how light just turned it up and made a comeback on game three
12:00 - "Top 3 is Steve Fox and Kazuya and it's not even a Tekken tournament." LMAOOOOOO
For those who don't get the joke, Steve Fox is another Tekken character, namely a boxer.
@@h0m3st4r and an OG too boot appearing in pretty much every tekken title
@@janswhatsupdoc he is OG for you ? he appear in tekken 4
@@theflashgordon193 i didn’t grow up with tekken, sf x t was my first introduction
@@janswhatsupdoc Oh I see
Light makes fox look like he has frame 1 everything with no endlag...
I commented a while back
"Everything Light does is safe on shield. I don't care about the frame data, if he hits your shield, he's hitting you next."
meanwhile im maining Fox and literally copy the stuff he does, yet somehow it's never safe on shield
@@softice8249 Keep at it, you're getting there
@@softice8249 were you not good at smash 4 fox?
Tbf most of fox's stuff has no endlag.
Save us from DLC, Light. You're our only hope
Ban Fox please
@@spacedaddy6181 fox is incredibly hard to play at a high level and there really isn’t another fox at the level Light is, he’s just a really good player with great reaction time and decision making, honestly no one else could make fox look that good
@@diamonddustin7664 agree, totally agree
@@diamonddustin7664 i mean theres paseriman
@@komidori_irl yeah but he’s nowhere near the level Light is, but he is the second best fox imo, it’s just that Light is just on a whole other level
Commentator: "Onin's mature guys, I swear!"
Onin: 12:45
Not only is he carried but he does things like this and don't want any hate? Get real
@@petrinonelson1992 Why should he get hate for that? Are you a 19th century Victorian woman?
@@343Films As a 19th century Victorian woman, I feel offensed...
@@petrinonelson1992for what reason should Onin receive hate for that? If that made you wanna hate you need to meditate or sumn bro
@@markmckenzie9074 You can get hate just for being online. Stop being little soft bitches yeez
Talking just about the character not the player. GET WRECKED STEVE. Lets go Light
Glad to have seen both Onin do so well! Another NA Top 8 to add to the resume.
GG's to Light has well, now he's got sets on both top Steves, and I think this set fully shuts down any doubt that he's best in the U.S.
@@Ace22 they literally play the same character
This also ends the "Steve will destroy the meta" and "Steve has no viable counterplay" argument. I don't see anyone saying "ban Steve" without it being a joke, anymore. Thank God.
@@Spyder-Marth ah yeah the guy that was irrelevant before picking up Steve now ONLY got third, definitely not a ban worthy character, since he's not beating all the top players with 100% winrate anymore
@@mxm_prime2191 if you watch his streams, onin is actually amazing at this game in general
@@greedo194 If he keeps dropping reflectable anvils like that he would be an easy pluck against someone like me.
Game 3 really was a matter of being a veteran vs a newer player. Onin was making so many desperate plays and light stole the momentum
Fraud deleted, Light activated
Best in the US and lowkey should be included in the conversation of best in the world at this point as well
right now based on recent results as well as my own speculation it looks like he's straight up #2 right behind MkLeo.
Light’s neutral was nutty on that lasts stock in game 3. Incredibly patient.
I'm glad Light was able to get better at the MU and come out on top without a problem.
For Onin taking a long break, still very impressive, hope to see more of them
How many onins are there? Are they like an eSports sponsor or something?
@@dennisd.4726 If I'm not mistaking, Onin's pronouns are they/them
Yeah he/him/they/them
not really, he got demolished in Hbox's no-Steve tourny, literally hard carried player that can barely even tech chase
@@muuurbles1780 yeah but in the 14th century people didn't demand others to use the "they/them" on them, writers sometimes did use this pronouns referring to a singular individual, but no one demand them to use this pronouns. People may use "they/them" on me and they would be correct, even tho I prefer "he/him" I would definitely not throw a tantrum over such a stupid thing. Using "he/him" pronouns on a male individual would be correct
I’m not a fan of Steve but Onin’s play from 5:10-5:19 was so creative
That's just Steve techs man. But it does feel nice to watch from time to time
Well onin is proficient at what he does
THE GIMR
That's not creative lol. That's basic cheese
@@petrinonelson1992 Exacly, Week 1 ass Checkmate setup 😭😭
You love seeing Steve lose :)
so nice to see that last game 3 stock
I've never been a fox fan but damn I hate Steve I'd rather watch Fox lol thank you Light for taking down the menace.
Wow Steve isn't broken. You just have to learn how to play around moves that delete you without getting tilted.
Playing against Light seems suffocating. Dude puts on such an insane pace, the entire game you're just trying to take a breath.
Yeah. And that directly clangs with Steve’s play style
Onin makes a dink for Light and Light gives it right back to him.
lightトロッコに乗ってるスティーブに空後当てるの上手すぎる
“Onin is very mature”
*builds PP while down two stocks*
The Crowd even say Boring when Steve was winning lmfao
Onin openly saying that the public coached him during the set is the most mature thing I've seen such a young player do in a tournament, Onin doesn't deserve the hate he gets just for playing Steve.
@@Ace22 didn't knew using a mechanic that is in the game is bad lmao
@@Ace22 Wow so using taunts that were IMPLEMENTED in the game by the devs is considered a crime? Idk Karen... gotta go complain to the devs of the Gam--- if wait, they don't listen to us! Well damn guess you're out of luck 😂
12:45 yeah, real mature.
@@chrisjackson6149 it's funny tho
@@Ace22 You are an absolute snowflake
Light turning into Mang0 with this pressure!
light本当に強い、好き
12:42 onin was going to lose on his own terms
"On his own terms" meaning: like a salty bitch
12:45 完成度たけーなおい
Watching this character lose brings me joy. I just don’t have fun watching Steve. I don’t know maybe I’m weird.
You're definitely not weird I feel the same 😉
Light could've gave Onin the first game for the tag mistake and still win, what a Chad
This is the only time I cheer for a fox player.
Light might be the best player in the world against Steve. Only person to beat both Acola and Onin pretty sure
respect to light for not given into the meta and using broken characters.....Fox till he dies man, that was a bad matchup for him too
Coney mentioned that they had to sit Onin down and tell him that he couldnt keep doing 12:44 in pandacup events. Was it true or was he joking?
Should be true, after the 5k time it gets annoying af
Silly how people loose their minds over a couple of blocks
As if he drew a swastika or something
@@wuhhlfarg5578 arguably it would be more impressive, given the circumstances.
@@wuhhlfarg5578 Imagine him doing that on the nintendo tourney lmao
@@ewfkjwbehjfbewkhfgwehjyf632 I'd find it hilarious but the smash community is a bunch of snowflakes
Who the fuck kills momentum by opening a box of Pokémon cards and goofing around
Luugi 2.0
Trying to get people to like him
@@BurgerSandwich and you know how that’s going
@@janswhatsupdoc yeah lol, onin does thus but later goes onto camp behind a wall or setup an anvil on top of a block, ain't nobody gonna like you if you do that.
@@BurgerSandwich or builds a headless creeper (at a nintendo sponsored event too) when he's losing
The best tag in recent history was Acola’s “oninplease” at Summit
That never happened
It happened
I don't think Kazuya is too broken I just hate that you pretty much have to camp him and hope to keep him in disadvantage the entire game in order to win
Kazuya is broken. He has only two disadvantages, range and ground speed. ( the later is not too bad)
Everything else, invincibility, super armor, frame priority, good recovery with a decent hitboz on top to avoid spikes. Good horizontal manuveouring so you cannot gimp him.
A comback mechanic, combos you can learn in just a week. The fsct you don't need to play him expertlybto win, you can just spam smash and do some other bread ad butter to win( like when TEA used Kazuya) He is super heavy and alwaya fies beyond 150%. The fact his damage output rivals peach without needing skill. The fact he kills you in one interaction.
Yes...I think Kazuya is disgusting and broken.
It's actually kind of the opposite. Kazuya struggles really hard with rush down. Camping gives him too much time for footsies, unless it's a zoner.
@@Yokai_Yuri you are trying to really under sell Kazuya lol. Ground speed is not his disadvantage. His ground speed is actually pretty good. His biggest disadvantage is his disadvantage state. He has one of the worst in the game. Arguably the worst since he lacks solid landing options. Which is why his advantage state is so good.
His combos aren't overly complicated, but it's way more work than the majority of the roster with their single input combos lol.
Is he a pretty good character, sure. Broken? Hell no.
@@Yokai_Yuri nice angry walk of text. I’d say riddles has proved definitively you can’t just learn EWGF and call it a day. Look at how he’s developed against light. He’s now using Kazuya’s entire kit to win neutral interactions rather than fish for 0-deaths all game, which is why he beat light twice despite losing the three previous interactions
@@Yokai_Yuri na his only disadvantage is range, having an Invincible dash is crazy
is light the first player to take a set off acola and onin
Dabuz handily beat Acola before Light did, and Lui$, Anathema, and Riddles have beaten Onin before Light did
Perhaps a bit random of me to mention it but after Leo getting washed at summit i believe he will focus on byleth/joker again and will probably destroy everyone once again
At least i hope so
@@wuhhlfarg5578 i hope to see leo come back soon
@@acekingdom5050 light is still the only player you mentioned that beat both of them that doesnt answer my question lmao
@@joshyjosh1935 you didn't say "both" acola and onion so the question might confuse them
9:50 steve reminding us this is a party game
1000% iq
Light, the Steve killer. He had defeated the two best Steve players, Acola and Onin.
Acola bomped light the first time they met then Light barely won 3-2 over acola the next. He is hardly the Steve killer
In past, He lost by Jake steve. 😂😂
I think that he has developed constantly.
@@chofma04 he will definitely destroy jake next time, cannot say the same for Acola
@@tanmin8268 He's still the only person ever to win a set against both of the best Steve players.
@@tanmin8268 he literally 3 stocked Acola when they first played and lost close games
I really like how steve let you being this creative with him. onin seem to keep finding new tech that great. GG to light. he understand well the match up
Button mashing = creative
🙄
@@petrinonelson1992 the block have plenty of utility
@@theflashgordon193 The way Steve blocks work, they are pretty unbalanced even with their short timer. Blocks have no place in a platform fighting game due to how they nullify entire characters.
Light is actually cracked for that game 3!
This is the most 2022 set I've ever seen
People complain about Steve but every game I see Steve in it’s always insane what they can pull off
That's why they hate him 🤦
It's an op character who carries players
@@petrinonelson1992 imagine complaining about balance in a children’s party game
@@Ben2k109 imagine feeling better about yourself cause people don't like a character in a children's party game.
Go ahead and do that ;)
@@petrinonelson1992 he’s a fun character
made my day seeing him lose
same 😂
That’s sad
Same bro
Seeing Onin in top 3 winners broke the chat's competitive spirit. Onin is out here being tens of thousands of players without even knowing their names. Crazy
You see that? That’s called learning the matchup. It does make a difference.
Having a top tier as well as a top tier player helped too. Nevertheless, it doesn't erase the fact that with all circumstances being equal, Steve requires the overwhelming majority of the 89 playable characters to singificantly outplay him to win.
@@TK-ev hey I won’t argue with you on that. Steve is dumb as hell, but people are doing better against him. He’s not the unstoppable, game-killing monster everyone was making him out to be.
onin was definitely sandbagging last stock, but it's good to see him again after he was bullied off of twitter
Those bullies have no right to call themselves Smash fans after what they did.
Bro imagine if he did win this set. Those people would actually be livid
@@h0m3st4r A smash fan
Imagine getting bullied on twitter and taking it seriously, couldnt be me
Why was he getting bullied?
Steve sucks man. I don't dislike Onin, he seems chill and does cool stuff w/ the character but the DLC smash team really didn't learn their lesson from Smash 4. I think from now on ima just root for whoever has a non-DLC character lol.
He said “sit down” 😂 shiiiet light got better🔥👏
What was the card shown at the beginning? Why was it significant?
absolutely nothing, just wanted to show his neat little pokemon card collection :D
@@swiddhi he opened a new pack i believe
@@servine1212 thats low-key such a flex
I can't believe the game 3 was just 🤯
Acola >> Onin and its not even close.
Acola’s tag in Summit was literally “Oninplease”
@@acekingdom5050 onin please come back was acola's tag. He switched his tag to come back after the first game.
It is very close but yeah Acola is better
I mean they both lost to light
@@ryubayani1729
Oh, okay
“Steve should be banned, he’s the ultimate character who has all this bull crap that he can use, and…”
Light: I don’t give a flip!
Fox: I don't give a flip!
Should still be banned, but good on Light imo
@@abcrasshadow9341
Nah, people slept on him before, this is what they get
@@acekingdom5050 steve 🤢 & kazuya 🤢
I like the players but those characters man are the friggen worst part of smash ultimate.
@@abcrasshadow9341 preach it
i dont understand the problem with onin, he is pretty good, but i see too many people dislike him with no reason :s
Onin and Acola play kinda similar but look how they act towards him. Its night and day. Japan Bonus i guess.
"With no reason" so it's sportsman like to build a phallic object mid game. Dudes a little dweeb.
@@dripfoe_3307 LMAO how can you be pissed about that? He's a crowd pleaser and likes to do shit for the memes. It's funny as hell to see that in top eight.
If you actually dislike someone for that, you gotta lighten up.
@@BE-fw1lr its with the same thing as in sm4sh when lima and zack taunted and held gun in grands
@@BE-fw1lr I won't lighten up. Onin's peers such as Shadic, Spargo, Bloom4eva, Riddles, Syrup are all respectful and show Sportsmanship. Crowd pleasing in the form of taunting your opponent is something you do when you put the time in, are well established and most importantly you really know the player you're fighting.
12:47 You can see Light chuckle at the pp
What song plays when the set ends?
12:45 senip
12:44 i love steve
会場沸いてて草
@@focusz9831 スティーブの大きのチンコ参ります
0:05 12:45 thats reminds me Bayonetta finals at Evo. No wonder why they have just half of melee views.
That left commentator absolutely sounds like Claic Yuzolt, a youtuber. That’s very disturbing
Would y’all have took that game 1?
No, that wouldn’t be cool
People wanna tear down Onin but he seems like a super chill kid
I have people in my discord who hate on him hard ahaha
They need to touch grass, i hate Steve but having hate for someone playing him is massive cringe
@@2000Doriyas thank you for understanding
8:49 you're gonna tell me Steve players don't button mash? 😒
12:43
Steve era is OVER! LOL
Light is super good but I truly think Fox is a bad matchup for Steve
gotta put these bot ass steves in their place. good shit light
onin vs light made steve lowkey one of the best to watxh
ラストはlight神の鉄槌で成敗されましたね。
12:44みたいなことするからしょーもなってなる。それとももう完全にそっち方向に振り切れたんか？
12:45 Onins such a shitter. Godspeed you beautiful bastard
Onin what a legend T
おチンスティーブ見てておもろい
トリッキー過ぎる
satisfying as fuck . get that fucking character out of here thanks
Ong
people being THIS salty about steve is hilarous to me
@@theflashgordon193 everyone is this salty about steve. you must main steve
So can we all just cut the bullshit about banning steve? It's clear the character is very beatable
Light is out here been the Steve slayer
0:00 this is incredibly disrespectful, instead of checking his controller or the set up he was opening pokemon cards and then light made a great 49% string and it all when to the thrash because that shithead wasn't paying attention and didn't select his controller properly, jesus. He should have started the set 1-0 to light's favor for this shit
this comment is mad corny
okay cool but consider
it's really funny to watch the Nair->Dash Attack->Uptilt->Nair->Dash Attack->Tech Chase->Immediate SD combo
Opening a Pokemon pack mid tournament is such a flex
He definitely did not deserve rxpe nor death threats from others but onin is by no means an admirable person
Quite annoying and cringey actually
@@janswhatsupdoc Bro what the hell is your problem? He's a funny kid, and I find him quite admirable- to still be playing despite all the hate.
Thought Steve was "broken"
People are a bunch of weenies who like to complain
He is. Light is just way better than Onin.
Basing this off of one match?
@@BryGuyJohn more experienced aswell. If Onin plays more he’ll be able to take Light down
@@ravssb idk but seems like light is adapting to the Steve match-up the best
Onin getting 3rd is impressive! Very proud of him!
It was a great run.
Glad Steve lost.
12:45 I don't think i need to spell this out either, i though we had regulations for this kind of behavior
He was just extremely salty because he was being 3 stocked
🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Amazing....
Steve is so boring bro
Onin is carried
:) the good dimemsion
5:16 つみ
I fkn love light man, and also love seeing onin lose 🤣
Steve
ONIN DID THE FUNNY
12:44 LMAO
Onins trying too hard to be likeable lol
8:21 Onin shaking his head cause hes fuckinf carried Just like riddles kazuya his terry is sick but his kazuya is carried
Onin with the no mask tech.
Oninが負けてすごく気分がいい
俺も
How much a character can carry a guy who stopped playing that long? Only Onin knows
He stopped playing because of people like you. Just saying.
@@Parthian6 You are saying it like it's a bad thing
@@momivision1909 well he had to basically shut off his twitter account because of harassment.
@@PAM_leaf Oh no the horror, how will the kid live without twitter omg I cant imagine a worse thing than that
@@momivision1909 FFS that wasn't the bad part, the bad part was the harassment
Steve = baneo