@@underthemayo I stopped using sticky bombs after playing through half of my first nightmare campaign. I don't like the sound they make + they are OP in the first part of the game
@@fatmetro OP is a tricky word to through around. They're awesome but not game breaking. The Lock On rockets, Ballista, and SSG are far more effective. But any of this being OP depends on your playstyle, your skill, and what you look for in an experience.
@@underthemayo I still think there is no real alternative to sticky bombs until you get more powerful weapons with mods like lock-on or arbalest. I mean that many players use sticky bombs not only to deal with cacos but with every other enemy they encounter as well. You can disable weakpoints and apply solid damage (due to the short mod recharge time, even without upgrades) at the same time, to the point where you stop using combat shotgun itself and only use it as a grenade launcher.
@@carloss7655 makes me wish the cheat would come with a toggle (probably like a double tap on the crucible button for console) so you could selectively use it throughout a level while still being able to use your guns. Like a momentary "fuck this I'm punching my way through this wave" button but not tied to an in-map pick up or limited by a timer. The bonus effect of such a change would be that it could be allowed in more levels. I imagine the primary reason it's level locked is because some levels straight up demand the ability to shoot button gates. Well, allow Berserk to be toggled and the player can shoot when they absolutely need to and the foundational problem is solved.
raislash I just might agree with you for arc complex, but not for cultist base. I haven’t played exultia yet, is unlocking it with cheats still the only way to play it?
Honestly, you can ban literally every mode in Doom Eternal cuz of this reason and then say exactly WHY it is too good. Even Balista's scythe mode when mastered is no joke, this thing hurts like hell.
It would surely be an interesting addition. Campaign mods that can be voted by members of the Slayer Club and the most popular ones are uploaded by ID into the game as official optional mods that reward you with extra cosmetic skins and accessories.
@@LordFindogask734 yeah, that would be sick. the only problem is it wouldn't allow you to customize your experience. but if it gave me a skin or a podium, i'd be all in.
@@piesmuggler7268 One way would be to provide players even more tools to forge their custom campaign modes more easily and you have the official ones as a quick way to spice things up.
Being capable of finding exploits and then coming up with rules to remove them is the second step in a vital two step process of gameplay refinement. Its rarely seen due to required skills, but when the game is built around that kind of delicate and meticulous balancing it results in something truly incredible.
@Andrew Finefrock indeed,this is where that first step actually comes from.the addition of synergistic elements and mechanics that create an experience where the player learns and adapts when the situation calls for it.
Always knew full auto could do wonders but, I never put in the time to fully invest in it. Glad you did instead and showed a new way to keep the game fresh.
@@Alejandro_87 So good it got banned. I tried to use it in the first phase of Brawler testing, and half way through I had to swallow my pride and admit it needed to go. I really wanted to keep it.
@@underthemayo have you tried using the microwave beam a lot late game?...Microwave beam loses a lot of its strength the later the game goes, specially without upgrades Since microwave beam is the most upgrade dependant mod in the game. As a hardcore doom eternal fan myself, and even make some videos on the game too for fun. I called out most of your bans before they happened, but the microwave beam!?...Just add it back in, but remove the mods, it will become shit again! Lol Edit: good gameplay, and video none the less! +1
Nope. I beat ultra nightmare with can’t perfect perfection but this is much harder. No ballista means no super shotgun combo, no precision bolt means no way of taking out the mayker drones for ammo, or taking out the mancubus (same goes with the sticky bombs). I think that this is going to take me a lot more effort than can’t perfect perfection on ultra nightmare.
Feraligtr in my playthrough I completely forgot the ballista existed and didn’t even give anything any recognition just speedrun because I got very lazy at the game. Since I’m bad at game I completed the game on brawler with sheer frustration, and dogged foolish will. Like a dumbass; lost the fight, won the war. lol I fell good when I talk about it but when I play it’s actually shit.
@@feraligtr3151 Actually if you aren't doing brawler mode+, the super shotgun is good against the mancubus. It falters them at close range, and it only takes 2 shotgun to stagger them. Easy glory kill. Have to be more careful though, since you don't have that 33% faster reload speed. If you want to be more safe, you could just use 2 rockets, then get close with the super shotgun for an easy glory kill.
"If you die a few times you can master it even faster" I literally mastered it the first pinky encounter in Doom Hunter Base because it took so many tries lol
I've been trying this out. And this is really good stuff. I love that it forces you to use blood punch more, which is an ability I really underuse. So many thanks for this!
Didn't know how to really apply Blood Punch my first time through Eternal. But the Cyber Mancubi armor breaking made me realize it could break weakpoints as well. It's also great if you get boxed in by multiple enemies.
It is insane how much easier the normal game feels after you've played Brawler Mode. I already felt pretty comfortable but after playing the whole base game in Brawler Mode on Nightmare, going back to having a ballista, an ice bomb, and like...health, almost feels like cheating.
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Actually mister Mayo didn't the micro missiles take more ammo then the regular fire? Also shouldn't the chaingun do more damage then the micro missiles? Last night I was playing battle mode with random and it felt like the micro missiles did less damage. I think someone needs to see which is actually better.
@@TsarNikolaiTheThird They use more ammo to do that damage, yes. And that's the whole idea. You're depleting your resources and needing to be wise about it. Also battlemode has different weapon balancing.
Me: trying to do all the things Mayo recommends, like getting used to Remote Detonation and Full Auto (which I’ve really started to do thanks for the tips) Mayo: HERE IS BRAWLER MODE
Hitting up brawler mode first time on ultra violence and I swear it is tougher than playing on nightmare! This is genuinely one of the most creative play-styles that could be concocted! The creativity requirements for multi-weapon switching and ammo consideration makes all the mid/close range engagement so dicey, but so damn good. I legitimately feel like brawler mode has helped me become not only better at doom, but a more attentive/less greedy gamer, helping to bridge the gap between nightmare and ultra-nightmare ( which I know I'm not ready for yet). I'll let you know when I finish brawler on nightmare, but otherwise thank you for your glorious content and everything you do for the doom community mayo! God bless and happy slaughtering demons
Mayo you are one sick dude for coming up with this... I have finally started my play through of brawler mode and was stuck for half an hour on the cultist base slayer gate. Cacodemons suck now! I thought I was decent playing nightmare on console but now I am having second thoughts...
makes me wish we had official scripting tools like assassins creed origins so we could make brawler mode a real option instead of having to rely on the honor rule
I'm pretty sure it does the same damage, and the mods are functionally the same as 2016's. It even does momentum boosting, which I was worried it wouldn't.
I CAN NOW ANNOUNCE SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NO ONE CARES ABOUT, i just completed this challenge, on a console, on a controller, using weapon wheel. And i feel gud. I didn't complete the master levels on the brawler mode yet, if i'll feel it was hard enough and worth also mentioning here, i will
"I spent an entire channel dedicating myself to praise Doom Eternal for having so many combat options, so I'll make a game mode that makes all but 2 or 3 comboes downright forbidden." I know I don't have to play like this but… it just sounds too much. The balista doesn't really do that much damage, only when comboing it, and it has actually really little ammo of itself, which it shares with the plasma rifle which is ALSO very ammo hungry. The flame belch IS a pretty great change, but a lot of those changes feel punishing just for the sake of them being punishing. If anyone can have fun with such a restrictive ruleset be my guest, but comments are open so I'm gonna use them lol
The ballista ban isn't because of damage, it's because of distance and weak point targeting. Brawler mode tries to minimize easy long kills and also forces you to deal with heavy enemy weapons by making the only way to break them the blood punch.
The only place where it would actually be impossible to do no microwave would be the Samur fight with the spirit shield. Other than that, allowing the spirits to live is fun as hell :)
This is harder than trying to clear it on Ultra-Nightmare. We're basically thrown into rooms that require the use of Superweapons and being asked not to use them under this rule set...I'm currently past Taras Nabad, and holy God, I'm glad I didn't go by these rules for my first UN run, not that I'm crazy enough to try it.
Yo as a hurt me plenty casual player I basically did this unintentionally, i didn't use Ballista because I thought it was really weak compeared with the gauss canon, i only used the bfg like 3 times because it fucks up the experience (same with crucible), and I never used scope with the heavy canon because my aim is really bad. Btw I never unlocked the unmaker
Hey Mayo I just wanna share something. I also have a mode that I made for myself and it’s called as “classic mode” for Doom 2016 and the name itself is pretty self explanatory. But here’s the catch. First, you can only upgrade 2 things with the argent cells which are armor (but you can only upgrade it only up to 100 AP since the classic games only gave you 100 AP by default) and you can upgrade your ammo capacity only for 4 times because first, the 4th ammo cap upgrade gave you 50 shotgun shells and in the classic games the max cap for shotgun shells are 50 even though in the classic games you can double it with the ammo backpack but I’m going for the default ammo cap just to be safe and about the other ammo types, the 4th ammo upgrade gave the other ammo type capacity close enough to the classics even though the rockets are actually way less. Secondly, no interactions with field drones, no gadgets, no jump and double jump unless you have to (for platforming), you cannot use or pickup the heavy assault rifle and the gauss cannon BUT if you want to use the heavy assault rifle you may not use the chaingun since in the classic games the chaingun is technically the heavy assault rifle in terms of role and use (no rotating, automatic, fast firing, hit-scan gun), no suit upgrades, no super shotgun upgrades (since you may not interact with field drones the only gun that can be upgraded without any weapon mods is the super shotgun), no melee, no runes and last but not least no glory kills. Chainsaw is fine even though you’ll get ammo from it, but since the classic games does have chainsaw so chainsaw’s fine. Third, challenges and secrets are optional and as long as it didn’t affect the challenge’s rules then completing challenges will be fine You also need to use the classic weapon view mode where the gun is in the bottom middle of the screen instead of right side of the screen. That’s pretty much it. I’ve played this on Nightmare and its pretty fun and pretty challenging (even though its not as challenging as I hoped it would). I hope you read this and try this challenge for yourself!
Hey Mayo, just wanted to let you know I began a Brawler Mode run today and got to Super Gore Nest. I have played through the game countless times, and before now I have never felt the way the I did on day 1. Brawler Mode recaptures that intensity and desperation that my first nightmare run had. Well done and fantastic rule set!
This gives me an idea: Imagine if you could start a "Custom Campaign" in the menu. In the custom campaign, before you start playing, you could disable specific guns, mods, demons, extra lives and so on as well as tweaking ammo amounts and costs. After the Custom Campaign has been set up you could name it and send it around to your steam friends or maybe even have an in game browser where you can find other custom campaign rule sets people have made with the most popular ones on top. (So something like a server browser, but it's obv single player. This would work with id's idea of keeping the game online, since the feature obviously has online elements.) Could build a whole community around changing the game, have leaderboards for the Custom games and such.
Basically, it would be something like Overwatch custom games, but for Eternal single player. (I mean, could work for Battle Mode too, I'm just brainstorming shit).
Had 9 extra lives when I started the icon of sin boss (my first play through on hurt me plenty) and left with 1-2 extra. I’m too weak for this challenge.
What’s funny is whenever a Tyrant or an Archvile shows up, I never think to pull out a superweapon, except for maybe the Crucible. I usually just go after them with normal weapons just because I like the rush of killing it like it isn’t special.
My Brawler Mode If Your Intrested Gun Mods No Weapon Mods Also No Bfg No Unmaykr And No Ballista And No Rocket You Can Only Use The Crucible In Final Sin Suit Mods You Can Only Complete One Category Runes Savagery Blood Fueled And Air Control Only You Need The Momentum Because It Gets Harder From Here No Grenade No Freeze Bomb No Flame Belch And You Cant Chainsaw Fodder So Only Heavys Can Be Chainsawed You Cant Upgrade The Ssg Fast Hands So No Mastery You Cant Upgrade The Rocket You Can Only Upgrade Your Armor But No Health Upgrades And No Ammo Upgrades I Call It Brutal Mode Where Your Screams Is Lucifer Lullaby This Is The Updated Version I Feel Like The Dash Thing Was To Fucked Up
DAAMMIT! Your rules are awesome, really. I enjoyed the hell out of this challenge, BUT!!! MY FUCKING GAME CRASHES NOW EVERY TIME I BEAT THE GLADIATOR, SO I EITHER QUIT OR START ALL OVER
Hey mayo. I think a good video recommendation would be using the rune where you receive health from blood punches as well as having the 'health for blood punch' upgrade. I've been using this combo and it seems quite effective . If you are good with managing your armour to where you dont lose health, then this combo is quite effective. Sometimes you can kill a bunch of fodder, to then have those fodder drop enough health to instantly fill your blood punch back up. Maybe you should try it sometime
Brawler Mode made me a better player. This was my first DOOM game and I played on HMP first and found it kind of challenging. I bumped it up to UV and played Brawler and now Nightmare comes fairly easy to me. I’m excited to download this on my PC and see how I play on mouse and keyboard. Anyway thanks Mayo, this was a lot of fun.
Friendly tip: Mayker drones can be easily killed by meathooking them and shooting the head with your SSG, very easy to perform and helps especially in this wonderful Brawler mode!
Freaking awesome Slayer Gate gameplay, really felt the adrenaline just watching. Fun fact: half of my first playthrough I thought the sound of the Titan's lock on was a part of the music. It just compliments it so well with the dubstep feel lol.
i always play without bfg and crucible, cause i just dont feel good using these things. and i also dont use unmaykr, not because its too op, but just because i dont know how to use it correctly. maybe in a few months (or years), if im more experienced with the game, ill try brawler mode
That gameplay of the slayer gate .... I have no words to say . It is one of the most entertaining gameplay footage I have seen till this date and when combined with the only thing they fear is you ost it just takes it to an whole new level.
@@underthemayo my blood boils just after seeing this video and comparing it to my playstyle . Usually when I am playing this game I am so much focused that I forget about everything that is happening around me and this is on another level .
Going to try out brawler mode tomorrow! wanted to change my playstyle a bit, as I havent been using the plasma rifle at all recently edit: 3 days later, just finished brawler mode (Ultra Violence). It was really challenging, but I found it quite enjoyable
Really cool! I was trying to finish the game on Nightmare and still have 3 more level to go when I saw you announce the Brawler Mode, I've already started on UV and now I'm in the cultist base level when I couldn't imagine how I'll be handling the auto shotgun & the micro missiles nicely, it's a great combination, note I'm playing it on PS4!
You have got to be the best micro manager I have ever seen for any game I have experienced. This is some great material for an interesting experience. :)
Honestly might have to use 3 sentinel crystals for the loot magnet because the one thing that’s been raping me is not being able to pick up health and ammo when there’s a group of demons blocking me after a glory kill
Honestly by the late game, I was using Micro Missile and the Combat shotgun more than anything. I’m interested to see what I can do once this mode FORCES that level of restriction.
i feel like barely anybody actually played this gamemode, but if you do, don't play levels past Taras Nabad. it gets really bad in my opinion, because you run out of resources quick and spend a lot of time just looking for a fodder demon that you can safely get materials from instead of actually going in and fighting the demon hordes.
Actually, I'd allow the mastery for the Super Shotgun. It only lights one demon up for a short period of time and it forces you go get right up in their faces.
I find playing fully-upgraded so much more fun but to keep things challenging the rules I play with are: No *extra lives,* No *super weapons,* No *glory-kill highlight,* No *hud* (except sometimes a mostly transparent reticle), *restart level* upon death And my personal favorite: *Play with a controller* Simple but keeps things really fun and still challenging (at least on the master/final levels).
Beat the game on nightmare brawler mode just now. it really does make alot of the fight more intense since i cant shoot weakpoints on sight so i have to take advantage of the demons line of sight on me and move around the arena more. the few fights in the game that worried me alot was the last 2 big fights in the final sin level since i always used at least 1 bfg to clear the room for each of them. those last 2 areas were prob the highlight of the run since now i had to keep track of what demons spawned there and how to deal with them all.
Well I'm definitely not at the level to play Brawler Mode yet but this video does make me want to do a playthrough using all the mods that I haven't used that much in order to find the fun in them. You really can't dismiss any mod or gun until you've had a chance to use it properly. It's awesome how Eternal has so many ways in which you can creatively challenge yourself and refine your play style, in the end it all leads to you getting better at the game and having more fun playing it.
Mandatory playthrough modes are now officially: Ultra Violence > Nightmare > Ultra Nightmare > the prior 3 in Brawler Mode. Then do it all over again if they release an Arcade Mode. PS: Hey Mayo, have you tried out the demo for Ultrakill yet? Seems right up your street, like Doom mixed with Painkiller mixed with Tekken or something. Goomba-stomp your enemies into mush, send the others flying into the air & light them all up mid-air with a grenade. Top stuff.
I was waiting for him to say “the W key on your keyboard is banned as it is way too overpowered”
lol
nah the A and D keys should be banned because circle strafing is the OG op strategy in doom
nah the A and D keys should be banned because circle strafing is the OG op strategy in doom
Brawler Mode ++
None of the WASD keys. Dashing is the only way you can move.
Luckily key binding exists. But I would ban control stick on consoles. They must use the d pad.
Brawler mode? More like the revenge of the auto-fire shotgun
It's now my second favorite mod.
@@underthemayo I stopped using sticky bombs after playing through half of my first nightmare campaign. I don't like the sound they make + they are OP in the first part of the game
@@fatmetro OP is a tricky word to through around. They're awesome but not game breaking. The Lock On rockets, Ballista, and SSG are far more effective. But any of this being OP depends on your playstyle, your skill, and what you look for in an experience.
@@underthemayo I still think there is no real alternative to sticky bombs until you get more powerful weapons with mods like lock-on or arbalest. I mean that many players use sticky bombs not only to deal with cacos but with every other enemy they encounter as well. You can disable weakpoints and apply solid damage (due to the short mod recharge time, even without upgrades) at the same time, to the point where you stop using combat shotgun itself and only use it as a grenade launcher.
fatmetro yo how did I find u here
Scratch that, I'm making a real "brawler mode"
*P E R M A N E N T B E R S E R K*
that was my thought when i clicked on this
oh my god I tried playing with the berserk cheat code and I never imagined it would be so boring
@@carloss7655 *RIP AND TEAR...UNTIL IT IS DONE*
Doomslayer: Dude...i'm bored
@@carloss7655 makes me wish the cheat would come with a toggle (probably like a double tap on the crucible button for console) so you could selectively use it throughout a level while still being able to use your guns. Like a momentary "fuck this I'm punching my way through this wave" button but not tied to an in-map pick up or limited by a timer.
The bonus effect of such a change would be that it could be allowed in more levels. I imagine the primary reason it's level locked is because some levels straight up demand the ability to shoot button gates. Well, allow Berserk to be toggled and the player can shoot when they absolutely need to and the foundational problem is solved.
@@carloss7655 yeah really showed off the one whole animation for each demon.
"Brawler mode", or rather: "Doom Eternal: prepare your anus edition"
Its gon be a "cluster-fuck" haha
Brawler mode Nightmare Master Levels? Sounds like good old-fashioned pain
I'd argue final sin is much harder than all three master levels
raislash I just might agree with you for arc complex, but not for cultist base. I haven’t played exultia yet, is unlocking it with cheats still the only way to play it?
@@SalanjyMotors yup
@@maxwell9561 three?
raislash, a master level for Final Sin has been confirmed. I can’t even begin to imagine how painful that Master level shall be.
"Microwave beam is banned because it's too good"
I've never thought I'll hear this
If you know how to use it it’s op
Crazy times.
Honestly, you can ban literally every mode in Doom Eternal cuz of this reason and then say exactly WHY it is too good. Even Balista's scythe mode when mastered is no joke, this thing hurts like hell.
@@exploertm8738 Ballista's flamming super death sword mod
Exploer It erases whiplashes like they’re nothing.
It'd be cool if someone would create a mod for this instead of requiring people to personally avoid the things that Brawler Mode prohibits.
Imagine Ultra-Nightmare 0%
It would surely be an interesting addition. Campaign mods that can be voted by members of the Slayer Club and the most popular ones are uploaded by ID into the game as official optional mods that reward you with extra cosmetic skins and accessories.
@@LordFindogask734 yeah, that would be sick. the only problem is it wouldn't allow you to customize your experience. but if it gave me a skin or a podium, i'd be all in.
or a cheat code
@@piesmuggler7268 One way would be to provide players even more tools to forge their custom campaign modes more easily and you have the official ones as a quick way to spice things up.
"No Ballista"
My baby!
YOU CAN TAKE AWAY THE BFG, THE UNMAYKR, EVERYTHING, BUT YOU CAN’T TAKE AWAY THE BALLISTA!
Basically if you're too good at the game and starting to feel bored, just make up your own new rules and make the game harder NOICE.
Cheese runs are a staple of any great game with RPG mechanics.
eg. unarmed runs in Diablo 2.
Basically like any Souls game...
just by listening to this gives me stress
Being capable of finding exploits and then coming up with rules to remove them is the second step in a vital two step process of gameplay refinement. Its rarely seen due to required skills, but when the game is built around that kind of delicate and meticulous balancing it results in something truly incredible.
@Andrew Finefrock indeed,this is where that first step actually comes from.the addition of synergistic elements and mechanics that create an experience where the player learns and adapts when the situation calls for it.
Take a drink every time he says “panic button”.
You won’t be drunk, but you’ll be getting there
I tried this on playstation and my hand genuinely started aching. Gotta love Doom
going to go do it.
Have you guys finished
I'm still struggling in urdak
same here
You know that you're a chad when Ultra-Nightmare in Doom Eternal isn't hard enough for you.
Imagine Ultra-Nightmare 0% or ClassicDoom UN
More like a no lifer
Always knew full auto could do wonders but, I never put in the time to fully invest in it. Glad you did instead and showed a new way to keep the game fresh.
The microwave beam is also underrated
@@Alejandro_87 So good it got banned. I tried to use it in the first phase of Brawler testing, and half way through I had to swallow my pride and admit it needed to go. I really wanted to keep it.
@@underthemayo have you tried using the microwave beam a lot late game?...Microwave beam loses a lot of its strength the later the game goes, specially without upgrades Since microwave beam is the most upgrade dependant mod in the game. As a hardcore doom eternal fan myself, and even make some videos on the game too for fun. I called out most of your bans before they happened, but the microwave beam!?...Just add it back in, but remove the mods, it will become shit again! Lol
Edit: good gameplay, and video none the less! +1
@@thetyrant9190 seriously? auto fire is literally just dependent on the mastery otherwise i wouldn't even unlock it if i wasn't going for 100%
That’s basically my Nightmare run for can’t perfect perfection. lol
Yep
Nope. I beat ultra nightmare with can’t perfect perfection but this is much harder. No ballista means no super shotgun combo, no precision bolt means no way of taking out the mayker drones for ammo, or taking out the mancubus (same goes with the sticky bombs). I think that this is going to take me a lot more effort than can’t perfect perfection on ultra nightmare.
Feraligtr in my playthrough I completely forgot the ballista existed and didn’t even give anything any recognition just speedrun because I got very lazy at the game. Since I’m bad at game I completed the game on brawler with sheer frustration, and dogged foolish will. Like a dumbass; lost the fight, won the war. lol
I fell good when I talk about it but when I play it’s actually shit.
@@feraligtr3151 Actually if you aren't doing brawler mode+, the super shotgun is good against the mancubus. It falters them at close range, and it only takes 2 shotgun to stagger them. Easy glory kill. Have to be more careful though, since you don't have that 33% faster reload speed. If you want to be more safe, you could just use 2 rockets, then get close with the super shotgun for an easy glory kill.
infinite death I was talking about weakpoints
Doom guy: Hell's haunted
Hayden: What?
Doom Guy: *Loads shotgun* Hell's haunted
What?
@@EchoLocoCJ It’s a reference to the Destiny 2 Moon’s Haunted meme. Look it up.
Brawler mode +
*BUT WITHOUT THE HUD*
BRAWLER EX+
"If you die a few times you can master it even faster" I literally mastered it the first pinky encounter in Doom Hunter Base because it took so many tries lol
These rules are sado-masochistic. Lol what a maniac.
*edit to add* That Marauder kill is impressive. A 2 cycle kill is nothing to scoff at.
Especially without ballista
If you have the ballista you can almost make him a consistent single cycle if hes alone for a bit
I've been trying this out. And this is really good stuff. I love that it forces you to use blood punch more, which is an ability I really underuse. So many thanks for this!
That's what I like to hear!
I remember a time when I didn’t use it much, then I realized it’s really good at building up damage in combos.
Didn't know how to really apply Blood Punch my first time through Eternal. But the Cyber Mancubi armor breaking made me realize it could break weakpoints as well. It's also great if you get boxed in by multiple enemies.
It is insane how much easier the normal game feels after you've played Brawler Mode. I already felt pretty comfortable but after playing the whole base game in Brawler Mode on Nightmare, going back to having a ballista, an ice bomb, and like...health, almost feels like cheating.
Just to remove temptation even further, you can edit the weapon wheel to only have 6 slots.
This may be an option for console players but on PC nobody who's at least decent in the game uses the weapon wheel.
@@SVOKRAplays pc sucks.
>weapon wheel
@@ExValeFor It's all I have man
@@13Gangland Uh... no?
It was until halfway through Arc Complex i noticed i broke the "No Extra Lives" rule at level 1.
Invalidating my entire run... *pain*
the twitch streams are really fun everyone should come
Brawler mode is basically my typical gameplay but with more micro missile spam when i panic
Guys, remember to turn off your monitor,being able to see your enemies is way too OP.
***By the way this is NOT recommended for Ultra Nightmare, and yes powerups are allowed***
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yo on the list at 10 mins, ice bomb isn't mentioned. also, how to kill the cacodemons in mars core after you get the BFG?
Chicken Mission he said on a stream “You must kill them without the bfg, which will be insane”
Actually mister Mayo didn't the micro missiles take more ammo then the regular fire? Also shouldn't the chaingun do more damage then the micro missiles? Last night I was playing battle mode with random and it felt like the micro missiles did less damage. I think someone needs to see which is actually better.
@@TsarNikolaiTheThird They use more ammo to do that damage, yes. And that's the whole idea. You're depleting your resources and needing to be wise about it. Also battlemode has different weapon balancing.
Why do you love the full auto so much?
people compaining about it being to hard while this dude makes it even harder for the giggles
Alpha Chad
The Meatball Arena on Mars Is definitely hard
Me: trying to do all the things Mayo recommends, like getting used to Remote Detonation and Full Auto (which I’ve really started to do thanks for the tips)
Mayo: HERE IS BRAWLER MODE
This sounds like absolute cancer....... *but i love it*
BRO I was waiting for this thank you! I havent played for a while but im hoppin back on now you gave me a new fun way to play
Hitting up brawler mode first time on ultra violence and I swear it is tougher than playing on nightmare! This is genuinely one of the most creative play-styles that could be concocted! The creativity requirements for multi-weapon switching and ammo consideration makes all the mid/close range engagement so dicey, but so damn good. I legitimately feel like brawler mode has helped me become not only better at doom, but a more attentive/less greedy gamer, helping to bridge the gap between nightmare and ultra-nightmare ( which I know I'm not ready for yet). I'll let you know when I finish brawler on nightmare, but otherwise thank you for your glorious content and everything you do for the doom community mayo! God bless and happy slaughtering demons
okay, let's do it I just finished my first UN successful run and I think that brawler mode on nightmare is the next step on difficulty
I like how you absolutely wrap your mind around something you so greatly enjoy. That's where talent is spawned.
Mayo you are one sick dude for coming up with this... I have finally started my play through of brawler mode and was stuck for half an hour on the cultist base slayer gate. Cacodemons suck now! I thought I was decent playing nightmare on console but now I am having second thoughts...
I'm trying this on Nightmare right now.
You doing good?
Watt Wooson no he’s dead
RIP. June 22, 2020.
I'm on cultist base, haven't had much time to play it yet, but so far it's a ton of fun. I play Nightmare exclusively and this is fun to try out! :)
@@-Jooztin AYE ANOTHER NIGHTMARE ONLY BROTHER
Man, your fighting's gotten so much more polished and accurate.
I honestly think you're due for a 2.0 on your "Analysis of an Arena Fight" video.
Totally agree.
makes me wish we had official scripting tools like assassins creed origins so we could make brawler mode a real option instead of having to rely on the honor rule
Sadly it Is the same for Classic Doom Mode
“No precision bolt”
Me who can’t hit a headshot to save his life: eh, whatever
Khan Makyr: I T H I N K T H E F U C K N O T
I just finished playing this on console and I never knew what pain was until now. It felt so good..
>banned ballistia
Huh, I never actually used that weapon much anyways.
It just felt like a "weaker" version of the Gauss cannon.
I'm pretty sure it does the same damage, and the mods are functionally the same as 2016's.
It even does momentum boosting, which I was worried it wouldn't.
I'm glad to see you included footage of Slayer Gate 3 there, my personal favorite fight out of the entire game.
Definitely going to try my best to beat UN with these rules. I've been craving a challenge since beating it vanilla. Thanks for this, Mayo!
I would sooner give myself an enema with my grandfathers ashes than fight the Khan Maykr without lock on rockets again
YOU CAN ONE SHOT WHIPLASHES AND HELL KNIGHTS WITH LOCK ON ROCKETS!?!?
You should put the rules in text form in the video description, no audio when I'm watching at work.
Rules @9:39 for those in my boat.
Started my Ultra Violence run of Brawler on console last night. Boy this is so much fun. I can’t wait to see how hectic this gets.
2:11 So are you telling me I could have cheesed UN like that? Well thanks, too late now.
I CAN NOW ANNOUNCE SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NO ONE CARES ABOUT,
i just completed this challenge, on a console, on a controller, using weapon wheel.
And i feel gud.
I didn't complete the master levels on the brawler mode yet, if i'll feel it was hard enough and worth also mentioning here,
i will
Just finished my first brawler mode playthrough. Even though it was on I'm to young to die, it kicked my ass. I'm sure as hell going to do it again.
9:40 All rules on one screen.
"I spent an entire channel dedicating myself to praise Doom Eternal for having so many combat options, so I'll make a game mode that makes all but 2 or 3 comboes downright forbidden."
I know I don't have to play like this but… it just sounds too much. The balista doesn't really do that much damage, only when comboing it, and it has actually really little ammo of itself, which it shares with the plasma rifle which is ALSO very ammo hungry.
The flame belch IS a pretty great change, but a lot of those changes feel punishing just for the sake of them being punishing. If anyone can have fun with such a restrictive ruleset be my guest, but comments are open so I'm gonna use them lol
The ballista ban isn't because of damage, it's because of distance and weak point targeting. Brawler mode tries to minimize easy long kills and also forces you to deal with heavy enemy weapons by making the only way to break them the blood punch.
10:13
don't mind this timemark, it's so that I can rewatch it
I already minded it.
Brawler mode would be pretty tough now on DLC. Lack of microwave beam might leave you in poor spirits buh-dum-tsss
The only place where it would actually be impossible to do no microwave would be the Samur fight with the spirit shield. Other than that, allowing the spirits to live is fun as hell :)
I admire how much depth you can find in this games mechanics
Just listening to the rules gave me anxiety ... wtfff
Oooh boy this is gonna be tough on console
Don't worry bruh, your fellow gold slayer on console tells you that you got this...just try out different key bindings and see what you like
This is harder than trying to clear it on Ultra-Nightmare. We're basically thrown into rooms that require the use of Superweapons and being asked not to use them under this rule set...I'm currently past Taras Nabad, and holy God, I'm glad I didn't go by these rules for my first UN run, not that I'm crazy enough to try it.
Yo as a hurt me plenty casual player I basically did this unintentionally, i didn't use Ballista because I thought it was really weak compeared with the gauss canon, i only used the bfg like 3 times because it fucks up the experience (same with crucible), and I never used scope with the heavy canon because my aim is really bad. Btw I never unlocked the unmaker
Hey Mayo I just wanna share something.
I also have a mode that I made for myself and it’s called as “classic mode” for Doom 2016 and the name itself is pretty self explanatory.
But here’s the catch. First, you can only upgrade 2 things with the argent cells which are armor (but you can only upgrade it only up to 100 AP since the classic games only gave you 100 AP by default) and you can upgrade your ammo capacity only for 4 times because first, the 4th ammo cap upgrade gave you 50 shotgun shells and in the classic games the max cap for shotgun shells are 50 even though in the classic games you can double it with the ammo backpack but I’m going for the default ammo cap just to be safe and about the other ammo types, the 4th ammo upgrade gave the other ammo type capacity close enough to the classics even though the rockets are actually way less.
Secondly, no interactions with field drones, no gadgets, no jump and double jump unless you have to (for platforming), you cannot use or pickup the heavy assault rifle and the gauss cannon BUT if you want to use the heavy assault rifle you may not use the chaingun since in the classic games the chaingun is technically the heavy assault rifle in terms of role and use (no rotating, automatic, fast firing, hit-scan gun), no suit upgrades, no super shotgun upgrades (since you may not interact with field drones the only gun that can be upgraded without any weapon mods is the super shotgun), no melee, no runes and last but not least no glory kills. Chainsaw is fine even though you’ll get ammo from it, but since the classic games does have chainsaw so chainsaw’s fine.
Third, challenges and secrets are optional and as long as it didn’t affect the challenge’s rules then completing challenges will be fine
You also need to use the classic weapon view mode where the gun is in the bottom middle of the screen instead of right side of the screen.
That’s pretty much it. I’ve played this on Nightmare and its pretty fun and pretty challenging (even though its not as challenging as I hoped it would). I hope you read this and try this challenge for yourself!
Hey Mayo, just wanted to let you know I began a Brawler Mode run today and got to Super Gore Nest. I have played through the game countless times, and before now I have never felt the way the I did on day 1. Brawler Mode recaptures that intensity and desperation that my first nightmare run had. Well done and fantastic rule set!
This gives me an idea:
Imagine if you could start a "Custom Campaign" in the menu.
In the custom campaign, before you start playing, you could disable specific guns, mods, demons, extra lives and so on as well as tweaking ammo amounts and costs.
After the Custom Campaign has been set up you could name it and send it around to your steam friends or maybe even have an in game browser where you can find other custom campaign rule sets people have made with the most popular ones on top. (So something like a server browser, but it's obv single player. This would work with id's idea of keeping the game online, since the feature obviously has online elements.)
Could build a whole community around changing the game, have leaderboards for the Custom games and such.
Basically, it would be something like Overwatch custom games, but for Eternal single player. (I mean, could work for Battle Mode too, I'm just brainstorming shit).
that actually sounds amazing
Had 9 extra lives when I started the icon of sin boss (my first play through on hurt me plenty) and left with 1-2 extra. I’m too weak for this challenge.
Practice the Bossfight , the same happened for me with gladiator
What’s funny is whenever a Tyrant or an Archvile shows up, I never think to pull out a superweapon, except for maybe the Crucible. I usually just go after them with normal weapons just because I like the rush of killing it like it isn’t special.
I think it would've been easier to just say what you ARE allowed to use.
Sure, but the prohibitions is what needs explaining.
I'll try this when I get Doom Eternal for myself.
after you play the game the way it is first.
9:40 don’t mind me I’m just leaving this so I can look at the rules
My Brawler Mode If Your Intrested
Gun Mods No Weapon Mods Also No Bfg No Unmaykr And No Ballista And No Rocket You Can Only Use The Crucible In Final Sin
Suit Mods You Can Only Complete One Category
Runes Savagery Blood Fueled And Air Control Only You Need The Momentum Because It Gets Harder From Here
No Grenade No Freeze Bomb No Flame Belch And You Cant Chainsaw Fodder So Only Heavys Can Be Chainsawed
You Cant Upgrade The Ssg Fast Hands So No Mastery You Cant Upgrade The Rocket
You Can Only Upgrade Your Armor But No Health Upgrades And No Ammo Upgrades
I Call It Brutal Mode Where Your Screams Is Lucifer Lullaby
This Is The Updated Version I Feel Like The Dash Thing Was To Fucked Up
DAAMMIT!
Your rules are awesome, really. I enjoyed the hell out of this challenge, BUT!!!
MY FUCKING GAME CRASHES NOW EVERY TIME I BEAT THE GLADIATOR, SO I EITHER QUIT OR START ALL OVER
Hey mayo. I think a good video recommendation would be using the rune where you receive health from blood punches as well as having the 'health for blood punch' upgrade. I've been using this combo and it seems quite effective . If you are good with managing your armour to where you dont lose health, then this combo is quite effective. Sometimes you can kill a bunch of fodder, to then have those fodder drop enough health to instantly fill your blood punch back up. Maybe you should try it sometime
I will try the REAL brawler mode
This but on console
even with these restrictions, mayo still manages to bitch slap marauders.
Don't forget that if you're playing with a controller that you can customize the weapon wheel on the Arsenal tab and remove weapons.
Oh wow, I just turned on Doom E. And this uploaded.
Time to go brawler.
Ah, you're just in time! I've begun to feel to good at the base game.
Brawler Mode made me a better player. This was my first DOOM game and I played on HMP first and found it kind of challenging. I bumped it up to UV and played Brawler and now Nightmare comes fairly easy to me. I’m excited to download this on my PC and see how I play on mouse and keyboard. Anyway thanks Mayo, this was a lot of fun.
I can’t wait to finally try this out now that it’s on switch
To make it more evil, you can upgrade your suit, but only the ones for map navigation.
The dash and faster climb are essential (for me)
Friendly tip: Mayker drones can be easily killed by meathooking them and shooting the head with your SSG, very easy to perform and helps especially in this wonderful Brawler mode!
"Brawler + +" only the non modded assault rifle. Nothing else.
Imagine playing battle mode with these restrictions...
i won
Freaking awesome Slayer Gate gameplay, really felt the adrenaline just watching. Fun fact: half of my first playthrough I thought the sound of the Titan's lock on was a part of the music. It just compliments it so well with the dubstep feel lol.
This is such a cool idea. You're the coolest Mayo
I swear if the next doom game has this as the default mode I'll literally be in the path of pain in hollow knight...
Not having balista is like missing prodomanent arm you don't need it but God it feels wrong not having it
i always play without bfg and crucible, cause i just dont feel good using these things. and i also dont use unmaykr, not because its too op, but just because i dont know how to use it correctly. maybe in a few months (or years), if im more experienced with the game, ill try brawler mode
I've got a video on the unmaykr that you may like.
@@underthemayo oh yea, just watched it, and ill definitly try it out, since i dont use bfg and have basically useless ammo for it. thank you mayo :)
That gameplay of the slayer gate .... I have no words to say . It is one of the most entertaining gameplay footage I have seen till this date and when combined with the only thing they fear is you ost it just takes it to an whole new level.
Imagine how fun it is to play!
@@underthemayo my blood boils just after seeing this video and comparing it to my playstyle . Usually when I am playing this game I am so much focused that I forget about everything that is happening around me and this is on another level .
Going to try out brawler mode tomorrow! wanted to change my playstyle a bit, as I havent been using the plasma rifle at all recently
edit: 3 days later, just finished brawler mode (Ultra Violence). It was really challenging, but I found it quite enjoyable
Really cool! I was trying to finish the game on Nightmare and still have 3 more level to go when I saw you announce the Brawler Mode, I've already started on UV and now I'm in the cultist base level when I couldn't imagine how I'll be handling the auto shotgun & the micro missiles nicely, it's a great combination, note I'm playing it on PS4!
You have got to be the best micro manager I have ever seen for any game I have experienced. This is some great material for an interesting experience. :)
I'm currently playing through normally on Nightmare but once I'm done with that I'm gonna try brawler on UV
I can't wait!
Honestly might have to use 3 sentinel crystals for the loot magnet because the one thing that’s been raping me is not being able to pick up health and ammo when there’s a group of demons blocking me after a glory kill
Honestly by the late game, I was using Micro Missile and the Combat shotgun more than anything. I’m interested to see what I can do once this mode FORCES that level of restriction.
i feel like barely anybody actually played this gamemode, but if you do, don't play levels past Taras Nabad. it gets really bad in my opinion, because you run out of resources quick and spend a lot of time just looking for a fodder demon that you can safely get materials from instead of actually going in and fighting the demon hordes.
I'm realizing that myself. Just beat the Khan Maykr and dreading Final Sin
Actually, I'd allow the mastery for the Super Shotgun. It only lights one demon up for a short period of time and it forces you go get right up in their faces.
I find playing fully-upgraded so much more fun but to keep things challenging the rules I play with are:
No *extra lives,* No *super weapons,* No *glory-kill highlight,* No *hud* (except sometimes a mostly transparent reticle), *restart level* upon death
And my personal favorite: *Play with a controller*
Simple but keeps things really fun and still challenging (at least on the master/final levels).
Beat the game on nightmare brawler mode just now. it really does make alot of the fight more intense since i cant shoot weakpoints on sight so i have to take advantage of the demons line of sight on me and move around the arena more. the few fights in the game that worried me alot was the last 2 big fights in the final sin level since i always used at least 1 bfg to clear the room for each of them. those last 2 areas were prob the highlight of the run since now i had to keep track of what demons spawned there and how to deal with them all.
Well I'm definitely not at the level to play Brawler Mode yet but this video does make me want to do a playthrough using all the mods that I haven't used that much in order to find the fun in them. You really can't dismiss any mod or gun until you've had a chance to use it properly. It's awesome how Eternal has so many ways in which you can creatively challenge yourself and refine your play style, in the end it all leads to you getting better at the game and having more fun playing it.
Experimenting with other mods is a great way to start getting into heavier challenges eventually.
Mandatory playthrough modes are now officially:
Ultra Violence > Nightmare > Ultra Nightmare > the prior 3 in Brawler Mode.
Then do it all over again if they release an Arcade Mode.
PS: Hey Mayo, have you tried out the demo for Ultrakill yet? Seems right up your street, like Doom mixed with Painkiller mixed with Tekken or something. Goomba-stomp your enemies into mush, send the others flying into the air & light them all up mid-air with a grenade. Top stuff.
I have. I'll probably comment in the next couple weeks.