Cast Lead Powder Coated (223) "Ballistic Expansion?" Gel TEST:::::)
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Hard cast lead 223, powder coated, 2500 fps, Ballistic Gel Test.. WHAT HAPPENS. Might surprise you! Collecting and examining cast lead powder coated bullets from ballistic gel is teaching me a lesson! A lot more to come on the subject! Is this for plinking or self defense?
God Dammit Elvis...... Every time I watch one of your videos I end up buying another Lee mould and more powder....lol. keep up the great content. 👍🇺🇲😁
I love your vids Elvis, and I love your honest approach! where everyone else would have re-edited the gel shots, you let it ride.... its been 20 minutes and I am still laughing at your honest confusion as to where the heck those bullets went ha ha ha ha... what a great channel!!! I learn a lot, and have a great time!
hey Joe P.... thanks... I know what ya mean... if ta take out the entertainment than all ya have left is boring! !! ; ) I like a good laugh myself. .. thanks for letting me know! !!!
@@elvisammo truely have learned a ton watching your videos. i may have to start casting 9mm. just love independent you are and u teach us how to be aswell
I really miss all the videos you used to make, you always had great info and we all had fun watching and learning right along side of you man! This censorship and sad condition our nation is in really bothers me brother...... thanks for all you have done Elvis and I’ll talk at ya later so stay armed and safe brother!!!!
Your videos have really helped me. Thank you for taking the time to make them so we can all gain from your experience. I know it takes time to do it. I wouldn't change a thing, keep it up and thanks again.
Awesome tests, really enjoyed several of your videos , I am in the process of casting .223 and 7.62n x 39 to load. In the past I have loaded painted bullets " rustoleoum high endurance paint" but now I am going to use your powder coating process. Thank you for the loading data on the .223 loads.
your welcome Roha Waha.....good luck to ya ... all the best...
Hey Elvis, when they check for gun fingerprint, they fire bullets into a container of water, as not to damage the bullet. It would be interesting to see how the rifling effects the powder coat.
I'm in the UK, I do cast, powder coat and shoot, but we have restriction as to where we can shoot, not like you in your back yard.
You do some awesome experiments to gather info. Keep them up.
RCBS-55-FN + gas check
Powder coating Eastwood Ford light blue
Sized to .225
23.0grs H4895
B2O 1.8900
LC brass
CCI #400 SRP
Will indeed run in a 20” rifle platform as well
My data is as follows
Min 2361
Max 2474
Avg 2414
SD 50.9
ES 113
It created a 1” group at 80 yards I did have vertical stringing. But at 80 yards to create a functioning cast 223 I’m definitely happy with it. I will say the H4895 is a dirty mess of a powder.
i would use it for self defense. Great videos. Thanks from South Carolina!
hey Rodney Hardee... Thanks for the comment! I myself was impressed.... No problem using that one....
Excellent work, Veral Smith wrote a good book on cast bullet performance. Keep up the good work Elvis.
Amazing...2 thumbs up on the experiment. In my opinion, I would use .223 as a self defense over the 300 blackout. That 300 looks like itll go through the body and a wall into the next room over hahaha..powerfull. With your experiment here, seems to me that the .223 is safe enough to put a bad guy down and not worry about harming anyone else. And the powder coat stuck better than I expected. Great Job man. Thanks for putting this out there. Be safe.
thanks Andres Crespo. ... you said it ... that's my thoughts. .. but I still want to make a better bullet of the sub sonic round and see what I can make of a longer range super. this info changes the way I think of cast lead and powder coating! !!!!! thanks again!
Outstanding work brother... This could be a nice coyote round if accuracy and expansion are good at longer ranges. Thank you.
I'll take it out a little farther and let ya know how it goes! Mick9mm...
Very interesting results... Thanks for following up with the 223 tests.... looks very positive
hey d Klawbohr. ... your very welcome! and more to come for sure! !! thanks again! !!!
might need to try this mold out, looks like it does a great job to me, powder coat held up great too
Elvis i just caught up on your vids, Cool tests! im glad you did the 223.
Uhhhhh, I was not expecting that kind of performance from a cast pill. I've been contemplating buying that Lee 22 cal mold and casting some up. I was wondering how that powder coating would hold up. Now I know. Now some questions: do you know the Brinell hardness of your bullets as cast? Or what was your recipe as far as lead-to-tin/antimony per pound? How'd the inside of your barrel look? Any signs of leading or powder coating? I, personally, would NOT hesitate to use that Lee cast bullet for home defense. I also think that folks in apartments might benefit due to the lack of overpenetration. I know, this is anecdotal at best, but it shows some promise for future load development. I was mildly encouraged by the almost immediate permanent wound channel created by that bullet. In hopes of creating an inexpensive home defense round, I'd experiment with different velocities and see if that changes the wound cavity in the gel blocks. Thanks for the vid. It gives great info and food for thought!!!
I agree Elvis. I am pretty sure you already have it perfected. You might have to double up on your ballistic gel in order to catch that missle hahahaha. Looking forward to it man. Love the videos man. Keep em coming.
Hi Elvis,
I love you videos. You remind me of my Uncle David. I love the content, your commitment to the hobby, and the way you express yourself. I stumbled on to your channel when I was researching how to jacket bullets. I have a really fun 6.5 Creedmore. But it's expensive to shoot. So I started to research everything about bullets. I would love to learn how to construct every part. From bullet, to case, to primer. Because the last ammunition crisis we had had caused me to not shoot for over a year. Bullet wise I think you're on the right track. A lot of people want you to push that bullet faster. But excessive velocity can negetively impact accuracy. Especially since I notice that you said you have a 1 in 8 twist rate for a barrel that is at 16 inches. There is only so much you are going to get out of a carbine with a slower twist rate. You could have the perfect bullet. But if your platform is for up close work. Then you will not do so well at longer distances due to its moa. I have a 1 in 6 at 20 inch AR10 in 6.5 creedmore. It's way more gun than I really need for the forrests in Michigan. But its really fun to thread hole through hole at 100 and sometimes 200 with my friends at their range. But the cost is killing the fun. So you inspire me. Thank you for your wonderful channel. :D
These were your powder coated wheel weight lead cast bullets, right? A lot more expansion than I'd have ever thought. I'd have to say that are worthy of consideration for HDW. I know someone out there will say, but the F.B.I. wants greater penetration and four layers of denim first.... I'd rather see all of the energy imparted on the target and no pass throughs.
thanks James Vatter.... yes its a good one. lots of potential here.... I will for kids and giggles do the denim test... thanks for your input!
Good job as usual. As far as would it make a good defensive round, you could do a test with a typical 5.56 bullet that would be used and then compare. I've been buying Hornady 55gr soft points for general purpose use, for instance. I would say it wouldn't meet the FBI criteria because of barriers and I don't think it penetrated far enough. Doubt that it would shoot through a windshield or car door and perform very well. However, I'm not going to stand in front of it and wouldn't worry about it if I couldn't get jacketed bullets in a SHTF situation. A good plinking bullet looks like.
Cool vid. I am taking a reloading class at a community college and just heard of powder coating bullets last week. Neat to see it in action
Thanks for the test but way Too Long video Elvis, you could edit this down to and get the same points across , just get to the good stuff and shows us the block and bullets close up , could do without all the excessive narrative .
Your videos are great. Feels like I'm there with you. Your 223 lead did not surprise me. I use to shoot a 223 swaged bullet. I used a 22 rimfire case as a jacket and soft lead inside. You could only shoot them 3000 fps or under, any faster and they would explode in flight. If you shot a ground hog they would only penetrate 3 inches and Make a 6 inch entree hole. Very ugly. When lead, even harder lead gets some good speed it explodes on impact. I found that a gun with slower twist rate is much better when use homemade jacket bullets for the 223. I have a savage 110e with a 1to 14 and it loves these types of bullets. Thanks for a cool video.
I will say that if you get these bullets of yours to near 3000 fps, you will blow the front face of the gel off.
hey Farmer Dude357 man ya got me curious now.. I have a load near 2800 fps. I haven't shot the gel with yet.. mmmmm! that lead is pretty hard at 22 bhn. thats some pretty cool jackets.. using the 22. .. thanks for letting me know ya like my videos.. and thanks for watching!!! God Bless!!!
elvis ammo from looking at your gel test. This bullet of yours is at it breaking point. I mean if you pick up your speed at all you will notice it on the gel. You get to 2800 fps I sure hope you make a video. Try shooting a water jug. All the energy go's in the jug, even a small one.
+Farmer Dude357 yea no doubt. . that bullet went to 17 inches and the energy from a 55 gr bullet knocked 40 lb of gel that was stuck real good to the rest off.. i.ll do the video real soon ... the last one at2500 fps the bullet retained almost all its weight! we'll see ...
The flat nose bullets will travel through in a straight line.The pointed bullets will deviate.Try cutting off the pointed tips and flattening the larger bullets and they should travel straight like the 223's.Flat nose bullets have much better penetration than rounded or pointed bullets.
Hearing some Very Painfull comments like : "Why on earth are you powder coating your Bullets?? Well lets see, with a Name Like "Elvis Ammo" and having a UA-cam channel for Years of Documentation on All Things Casting,You would think one would possibly check your past videos Explaining All Reasons why You would coat them. Those are the People who think they deserve to know something immediately without moving a Finger! Also should not be casting..... Period! Thanks for the work You do,It Helps!
Just to let you know, I received my bag of blue powder coat. IT IS AMAZING!! great stuff, thanks for that tip!
Hey Steve Underwood.... Yep.. Those Eastwood powders, Most of them are pretty darn good! Thanks for letting me know
As info...Amazon has Eastwood Ford light Blue for $13.99 shipped free for Prime members. It ships directly from Eastwood, but without their higher shipping charges. My order was delivered in a week 😎
terrific test! IMO a 223 does not have enough mass for a flat nose to have a stable flight path, needs to be spire point to go SS as a powder coat. Can you get Arsenal molds to make one?
Love your work Elvis, really cool to see you pushing those 223 lead rounds down range. I’ve been reloading pistol ammo using lee products for a few years. Been weary of reloading the 223 round but you’ve sold me on it. Keep rocking bud
R and D is great .you are awesome .. No wonder you have some some. New Jersey in you. Keep up the good work.
Im a country boy, and that is the Garden State.....: ) thanks Nick L... my jersey bro!
Very well done !
Cool video bud!
What kind of rifle are you shooting it out of? Do lead bullets have issues feeding in AR15's?
Hey Buddy.. Good video content dude. 'Cork screw' is it with the Subs, A gyro will keep on it's axis as long as it has enough spin to run true and stable. Once that stabilization is gone it looses it ability to stabilize it will dump its energy uncontrollably right there and that is what is happening to the bigger heavier bullets. The Barrel twist rate is just enough to stabilize those, But they have a added affect on impact, vary destructive. Good video dude and as always God bless dude. Thosaxe777
thanks Thorsaxe777. .. it's been fun ,interesting and enlightening. .. some great info? the cork screw! I could soften the bullet do it would mushroom! thanks again! !!!!!
elvis ammo It's all good dude.. That round was made as a CQB round for clearing out a room in short range. The Barrel twist rate is made to do that. That way the bullet has maximum efficiency when the bullet impacts. The Early AR-15's in the Vietnam War were in a twist rate of 1 in 14 for that vary reason. Vary destructive with FMJ 55grain bullets.
I realize this video is 4yr old....do you remember what BHN you casted the .223 at? I'm gonna try to replicate this load.
Elvis, place / stack blocks one on top of the other and 2 side by side, you should capture the 300 AAC bullet
For clarification, Is that 223 bullet the Lee 55gr. Gas check design, that has been powder coated with no gas check applied ????
Impressive... I hope that you can duplicate that with a KNOWN alloy... or KNOWN brinell hardness. Results are likely to vary with velocity and hardness. Would you like to share the "bullet alloy information" used in expansive 2500 fps 223 blue bullet loads ?? ... alloy metals used by percentages or weights or ratios would be helpful to those who wish to duplicate these results.
If you would take some time to read though the comments you would find that Elvis said he used mixed ww and the BHN is 22
I'm having difficulty finding a wire mesh small enough to contain the .223 diameter bullets for sifting and baking.
Hi Elvis, What are your best size goups with the 223 cast bullet loads at 100yrds ?
I'm a former State trooper, worked for DOD and spent 4 years in Yugoslavia 2004-08 another 19 months in Afghanistan 2010-11. I would like to replicate those for self defense.
Can you please give us some info on the loading.
What Powder and how much?
What Primers?
Case length unloaded
Case length loaded
Please give all details on the .223 load.......
Thanks Elvis!
@John Beige
I found his other vids where he explains the details I asked for.
I copied and the rounds shoot great out my rifle.
Looks like a good choice for a defense round in close quarters. Expends all of its energy inside the target and doesn't over penetrate.
hey Tim Vest... that was a big surprise! I also couldn't imagine a 55 grain cast bullet knocking 40 pounds of ballistic gel off the rest. that gel was stuck on the rest very solidly. that took a lot of energy!
Great video most definitely self defense bullets that's pretty bad ass
Fantastic! I am very impressed with that 55 gr 223 bullet! My next question is, how fast can you push it and how accurate is it? Do you think it can go any faster than 2500 fps? Loving your videos! Great info!
Hey CountryBoyPrepper..... i know this is something your working on too. (on your channel) unofficially, I have pushed this bullet over 2800 fps. no leading and without deforming the bullet. So I have no reason to think I cant make a respectable round at that speed. When making a accurate round fps becomes secondary . so I stopped at 2500 fps where this thing seemed to like it. Im getting under 2 inch groups at 50 and under 4 inch at 100 yrds with my rifle and my shooting ability. with very little magnification. 1in8 twist 16 inch. A little more work and some slight changes might be all it takes to improve. bullet depth, crimp, ect. But with this info from this testing it has turned the way we think of cast lead on it's head. Bottom line is with powder coated bullets . We need to think differently about how we load them. Maybe a little closer to fmj. in the data books... with some caution. work up loads and watch for pressure signs....For now I shoot cast for plinking and practice. But I like plinking and practicing.... so I save tons of money! I'll bet ya that this is better than factory if using it for home defense...
Thanks Elvis! This is very exciting info for me. I can't wait to get my Lee mold! I'm figuring I will be able to reload 223 for around $.12/round (primer and powder)! And it looks like I wouldn't be losing much in performance. They look plenty adequate for plinking and practice and as a last resort could be pressed in to other roles. I think powder coating is going to get a lot of people in to casting there own bullets that otherwise never would have. As FortuneCookie45LC says, "Game Changer."
+CountryBoyPrepper that's exactly right. .. game changer. . big savings, a skill, a prep. and options! we like that CountryBoyPrepper! good luck and God Bless!
I love your introduction to every video! what powder and charge weight are the .223 sitting above?
Elvis, excellent vids, I just subscribed. I have never shot into ballistic gelatin buy I have captured that exact same Lee bullet that I have powder coated myself into a large tupperware storage tub filled with 2 bags of landscaping rubber chipped mulch. It doesn't tell you much about wound channels or anything but the rubber will stop them. maybe when you make your gel test but some boards or steel plate on top and sides?
You ought to try shooting 230 grain missiles at a couple 5 gallon buckets full of sand lined up I shoot some pretty big rifles that send out around 2100 feet per second and they only seem to make it a little less than half way and every bit of lead I shoot at it soft point that might stop those missiles I would give you the ability to catch one soft point I dig out of my 5 gallon bucket I melt down and reuse but they are mushroomed
Elvis, love your videos always learn something. ya crack me up. question, maybe i didn't hear you was the gel 10% or 20% ? thanks my friend.
BTW, i know you say nothing left in the lands n grooves of the rifle barrel in other videos. but can you show the inside of the bore next ,thanks.
hey MegaBait56....no reason why learning something shouldn't be entertaining!!! : ) 10% your welcome!!!!
hey MegaBait56 i just done a video on powder coating lead problems... you can skip around through it and see inside and out,,, check it out...
Elvis, you make real videos. showing all the issues that we all go through. keep them coming buddy. thanks.
How wide was the biggest the blue bullet? Looks like about 3/4 of an inch.
At 4:25 "Watch out Elvis! It's an acorn!!!"
Hey Elvis, your question if this would be a good self defense round... I say hell yes. Good expansion and my big concern is over penetration. 12 inches is excellent penetration. Perfect. How far back were you from the gel block?
hey Mick9mm.. thats my thoughts... I was about 12 feet. I couldn't hardly believe it! : )
Which mold did you use to cast these bullets? What was your load data to reach 2,500fps?
Curious, what is the rifle barrels twist rate?
hey mklean1... thats a 1 in 8 twist 16 inch.... thanks for watching
Is the powder coat abrasive ? what does it do to the barrel after long amounts of shooting ? Because it may look good now I just wanna know what is going to do to my gun a long term
good questions Charlie... As I right this I can say that I've shot over the life limit in more than one barrel and haven't noticed any issues. That's the real evidence... Federal also starting putting out Syntech "powder coated" ammo. besides it's softer than copper, Less friction, Barrel life is thought to be better by some in the industry! Theres some pretty good stats I stand behind! : ) I can't even count the amount of powdercoated bullets i've shot...
elvis ammo I just in to casting and I love it I think the powder coat seems like a good idea I just don't want it to end up like the molly Lube I just don't know yet.
Thumbs up Elvis :-) Have a lovely Thursday........🐾 🐾 🐾 🐾 Jenny 🐾 🐾 🐾 🐾
thanks so much JennysCountryChannel.... for the thumbs up! : ) .. Im so glad I found ya. some country music on the radio is good but most isn't... I never would have thought that one person could pull off all my favorite music...! you get that trophy! Now I have Pandora and You!!!! I been putting the minutes on your videos!!!!! : )
Were the .223 bullets gas checked?
what is the hardness of your alloy for the 223s?
I think by the info from other tests..those rounds would be a great home defense round. The .223 rounds I’m referring to. The big 230 trainees are a bit to unwieldy and not dependable.
hey elvis whats your seat depth on your supers 300 blkouts
hey steve bilskie ...160 gr super 2.040- 230 gr subs 2.235... yhanks again for watching
What powder were you using?
You say 2500 fps? did you load lower than starting?
I do not know why it's such a shock to people when a flat nose bullet does so much damage. Elmer Keith designed his bullet back in the thirties knowing that the optimum hunting bullet was a flat nose bullet. When it's fired out of a pistol the advantage is that it does not have to expand like a hollow point. I've been using Keith bullets for a long time. They are one shot drop. On deer. 2nd off. When you take this concept and have a flat point at a smaller diameter bullet moving it much faster speeds, you wind up with the same results. The only difference is a hard bullet will actually mushroom we're in a pistol there's no need to mushroom. The concussion happens in front of the big meplat... recommended me Platt on a pistol bullet is at least 70% of the overall diameter. I believe the Keith bullet with something like 77%. When it comes to a rifle bullet however the concussion Works in unison with the speed and nasty things happen :-) I've been watching your videos Elvis they are informative. But because you talk kind of slow sometimes they dragged out too much and you repeat yourself a lot. You might want to edit them a little better. Cut out all the dead stuff it's not needed or you may wind up losing some people because they lost interest. That would be a shame because you are taking a lot of time to do these very informative videos. You got to keep their interest bud. Rock on
Great video. Can you share the BHN of the 55 gr. .223? Thanks for the information!
Stuff as always !
For people curious about what was used mixed WW the BHN 22
Has anyone ever told you that you look like Tim Roth? You could pass as a family member for sure!
Maby your 300 Blackout 230 gr. Missles are starting to tumble at about 9 to 10 inches in the block to get such a large wound channel and deviate so far off course after the large channel. Only an Expen$ive , Hi-$peed camera will be able to capture this.......
Love your tests though 👍👍👍
Great video Elvis. Just getting I to casting. For 300blk 230s and 160s also the 223.
Are you you using gas checks on any of your powder coated bullets
No checks….
those 300blk giants looked like they yawed hard, did a either a 180 and exited the top backwards or they did a complete 360 and exited head first. The 55gr 223 looks almost like a 55gr M193 going over 3000 fps, entered, fragmented and penetrated about 12-13". I don't think you can ask for any better performance for that 223. It would be a perfect little white tail deer and pig slayer.
Elvis, maybe I missed it but did you test these for BHN? Have you looked at your barrel to see if there was any gas cutting/leading?
I have had the same thoughts . Your getting expansion with some fragmentation , what was your estimated BNH . Or was the fragmentation the powder coating . Either way any thing left behind and keeping 85% weight is great . Thank you Brian Flynn
Who else thought "uh oh" when them sirens went off?
Elvis do you know the BHN of the bullets you used in this video?
He does not answer BHN questions...
Bullet shattered so assume it's over 20 BHN, closer to 30 BHN.
I don't remember what BHN you said these pills were but from what I see...I'd progressively harden them by 2 BHN or so incrementally (if these are stick on WW's, harden with no more than about 3% tin or pewter, not knowing this Pb blend it's hard to speculate) until I can get them to stop fragging and retain their weight with a nice mushroomed point...are they self defense rounds?....no doubt about it so long as they don't have to deal with armor......charlie....;-)
Should have fired a .223 soft point as well.
what was the bhn of these 223 bullets?
I believe it was bhn 24
The more damage the better . If they/whatever survives it probably earned as many reminders/difficulties as possible..... That 230 gn 300blk sub is pretty damn impressive !!!! Bet it retains all its weight or very close . If ya can catch it . How far from the muzzle was the gel block ?
Amazing
At what speed you shooting these bullets ?
Mike 2,500fps.
What distance?
Where in the world do you start with working up a load. None of my reloading books have any high power cast loads. And the pistol loads are now where near the loads people are"saying" they are using. Are the "played bullet" loads a safe starting point?
Andy Stampfli With PC’d cast bullets I start with the same weight Jacketed bullet low end load and work up. I’ve shot lots of PC’d bullets in 556 and 300AAC and I’ve never had leading. The bore might look dirty but a wire brush down the bore 2 times and it’s clean. It’s dust and not lead fouling.
@@Iceberg050 so if I used w748 around 26gr I can push 55gr powder coated bullets around 2900fps with no problems or gas checks... I'm not calling you a liar, believe me, but I'd like to see the load data before I try it. It's just sounds to simple and easy to be true. ( I.e. no load data since it would cost them business) but I don't like the idea of putting my rifle in a "test" to see.
Andy Stampfli I start at the low end but 2900 fps is not something I’m comfortable with. I push them about 2600 fps and a good PC bullet with a GC has been good for me. I shoot them out of a 10 1/2 inch barrel over my chronograph.. My 300 AAC only runs at 2340 fps jacketed 110 gr bullets, 155gr PC/GC at 1040 fps in a 10 inch barrel. I’ve been reloading since 1968 and I used to push bullets 1 grain over max load in 30-06 but not anymore. Accuracy is where you find it in a load, not the fastest bullet. When you get older you get wiser, or you get dead!
Was that blue 55gr 223 bullet pure lead? because ww lead doesn't usually mushroom out like that
hey Pro Fab... great question, you would think so!! but no. that was aprox. 22bhn pretty darn hard!! 2500 fps with a round flat nose... that did the trick,,, thanks for asking. and for watching!!
it's lookin good. how good are these at 200 yards , and how do they compare to non coated bullets. I think the blue coating did better.
hey Vengenace Early..... the week link is bullet balance.... choose the best bullets.... may need to change powders.. this ball powder seems to put a nice group at 100yds and a couple strays... common for the ball powder... maybe a five inch group from a rifle not meant to drive tacks from a so so shooter. 1 in 8/ 16 inch barrel ... could be improved. Change shooters and replace the AR with a bolt action.... : ) I will try some little changes to improve... crimp, oal, ect.
That's good to know. You maybe able to dial it in. ..just like we have to do with reloading copper jacketed bullets.
Elvis ammo I'm glade to see that you're a lll%er You've just earned a sub. I feel honored to have you on my side. keep the vids coming
thanks Willy B.... they gave us freedom to begin with! they must remain! thanks for watching!
hey iTheGeek the 3percenter is why we're all free from the crown! it's a good thing.... God Bless!
Is that a Lee 230 grain 300 blackout mould or maybe NOE? And are you using AA1680?
I haven't had the time to get into casting/hand loading yet, but i literally have everything including the Lee 230 gr 300 blackout mould and I have coming in the mail the 247gr NOE that has the HP pins to bring it down to 226gr. I have heard rumors it expands.
What is the hardness of the 223 bullets you shot into the gel Elvis?
curious because Im gonna be casting some for powder coat soon and I have been wondering what my hardness needs to be inorder to get some good expansion for hunting use.
hey mapbike that was around 22bhn. I can't believe how well it mushroomed. .. it would mushroom even better with a little more speed! thanks for watching!
+elvis ammo Dang that os some hard cast for getting that much expansion.... I had planned on going with about 16-17 to see how they would work on game.
Really enjoyed your video and im also surprised that you got such good expansion from hard cast bullets like that, but like you said I think velocity bing in the 2500fps range is why and I bet @ around 2700fps they would really smack small to medium game animal good.
did u experiece any barrel leading with those velocities?
hey Mr mysterious. .. nope .. none at all!
That's awesome! Thanks for doing this. Really impressive performance. Not only will those be far more lethal but also cheaper than the cheap steel cased FMJ. If I can start making these then I won't have to buy the expensive softpoints. Did you say that those bullets where cast from hardball (2% Tin, 6% Antimony, 92% Lead)? Or are they a softer lead? Because hardball lead is not supposed to deform even when shot through thick bone.
hey H&Ks.... these where cast from mixed wheel weights... they measure around 22 bhn thats pretty darn hard!! its got the round flat nose on the bullet.. and some good speed, deadly combination!
How do you clean the powder coat material from your barrel? lead is tough enough!!! Tips?
mpdpspnp There's nothing to clean! shoots clean, no leading. .. only a little carbon fouling as usual! ... thanks for watching!
My 9MM builds up a fine white film from my white powder coated bullets! i will probably have to use Acetone but don't want to hurt my Finnish .. Thanks Matyt
hey mpdpspnp...I don't recall if I have ever heard of coating colors being left behind... But that don't mean it cant happen. I have had a little leading left behind, that was corrected. The only thing comes to mind is cure time in the oven. "Under temp or under time in the oven" What Powder coat you using?
what mold are you using to cast the 223 bullets?
He mentioned using a 223 "Lee Brand Mold". Looks like a flat nose .
It is the the 224 Bator mold. Bator used to have Lee, Lyman and other companies make molds to his designs and sell them from his site. Eventually he closed the business and allowed the mold makers to sell his designs without needing permission. Lee now sells 6 cav Bator designs like this: www.midwayusa.com/product/927745/lee-6-cavity-bullet-mold-c225-55-rf-22-caliber-225-diameter-55-grain-flat-nose-gas-check
I want to neck a 22-250 to 204 cailber then get a 73 gr cast lead bullet at around 3600-4000 fps imagine the results cast lead is really cool
Hey Elvis. Report of 3 weekends at our range. The good, the bad and the ugly.
300 bo 150 g powder c crono 2050 to 2125 100yds 1.6 to 1.4. Did not do subsonic,
mini 30 130 g powder c crono 1970 to 2005 100yds .8 t0 .5 both bench r red dot
300 win mag 130 g pow c crono 3215 to 3220 100 yds .6 Ruger m77 hawkeye
30-06 130 g pow coat crono 2895 to 2907 100 yds .8 Remington 700
mini 14 55g pow c crono 2923 to 2930 100 yds .55 200 yds 1.6
Ar 15 55g pc crono 2855 to 2863 100 yds .3 and .4
Ak 47 GOD BLESS AMERICA be sides the 15 the best long gun made we rolled over 4000 rnds
the oven did not last long and the hf pow coat made a very large mess.
There were 9 of us and we have a question about 300 bo why???? We see no need for it.
also why sub sonic?? Please fill us in we have a 300 wisper and it does fair. If the 30-06 caint get it the 300 win mag will Can any subscribers help us see the need.. Love the vids,,,, XOXO
hey Karen Mills! !!! I was hoping to hear from ya soon! Now that's a fine range report! : ) One thing I'd like to know is what powder and powder charge, and what over all length you used for the 223.? I'm glad to see that stupid oven didn't make it for long! and the stupid powder give ya a nice colorful explosion! !!! : ).. the WHY, 300 blackout explanation! first of all I do not have an AK.. and I should have one since it is a very fine rifle .... And I would probably offer a different explanation of why, if I owned one. So I'll give ya a list of benifits I know of. 1. weight 2. versatility of bullet weight and charges. 3. couple that with having a rifle that uses the exact same parts as your ar15 . That's a big +. 4. did I mention the same mags. you get the point! but just like many other calibers, some are used for much the same purpose. .. And everyone's purpose is different. with the question WHY... Your point is well taken! : ) . you guys are doing an awesome job kicking but and taking names. I admire that! !! you've become the Angels vlog of elvis ammo! !!!! ; ) the very finest to ya!!!
how can I get ahold of you? id like to get a few of your rounds and do some 400 yard tests with your ammo.
hey the TIVANshow.... I'm not sure if this load is ready for 400 yrds. ... the bullet itself is the weak link. .. I believe the balance would throw it off at that distance! now if I could swage a bullet with hydraulic pressure we'd be in business! !!! you can go to my message board if ya want....
FIRST COMMENT! WOO! Great job mate stayed up for this!!!
Thanks Eadc Components. ... yea! some really good info in here. I'm learning right along with everyone else. ...! thanks for watching! good night! : )
Interesting, why not try stacking the gel blocks and taping them down and put a tall water container behind. Most of the energy of the missal seems to be in the first 16 inch. Just a suggestion might not work. Good luck
hey treesablowin. .... what ya trying to do spoil all the fun! you Ole level headed, common sense folk!... : ) ..
LOL, Dang it I'm anxious to see the results:)) Want to see what that thing looks like.
+treesablowin I'm glad I'm not the only one that wants to see that thing! now it'll be next week before I can attempt it again! : ( thanks for having fun with me!!!
the 55g are good to go imho
I like em the Baddest!...thanks again
ya it work's great you bet'cha
Hey man, those 223 rounds are perfect. I would call em done. They perform fantastically. I must ask though, I know you were crazy excited, but you MUST shoot the yellow, as the blue and the red performed surprisingly differently, you simply have to try them ALL again and try to repeat those results... and film it for me to enjoy of course too! As for your 300 blackout... I have some suggestions. Its possible the alloy is too hard and not mushrooming fast enough at low velocity? OR, maybe drill a a small hollow point in it with a center drill on a lathe. At subsonic a 2mm center drill would be just fine I guess. You don't need to squeeze it hard, i do copper jacketed solids and hunt with em no worries. I reckon if they were faster they would mushroom quicker, but its kind of like they are just taking ages to expand... or maybe even tumble. Don't know. I would have hoped the expansion would have started much earlier, and you'd have a captured bullet? I can't wait for my 243 molds to arrive!
Eadc Components. ... yea your reading my mind... glad to know you understand these things. ... that explains your interest! slower bullets. softer or flatter tip or hollow tip. and yes your right about the colors. .. I will shoot them all. there is a difference as you saw. But still no leading!
Can you load a 223 up to 3000fps and give it a crack in your gel??? Please!?! If you can capture it it would be amazing, but just the knowledge we can go that fast without damaging the coating, and have a look at your barrel? I'd love to push my 243 to 3000
+Eadc Components I probably could, I've never pushed it quite that fast but I have pushed it past 2800 no leading. I may need to play with it a bit. I see no reason why it won't work ... stay tuned! ! thanks for watching! !! again. ....243 is nice.
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What kind of temperatures can we expect between the power coated lead bullet and the steel barrel ?
hey Buck Barnes.... I dont have a perfect answer for that so many variables... but if you watch my powder coated bullet torture testing video you'll know that the powder holds up to the high temps as the lead fails and melts.... hope that clears things up.... thanks for watching
I am experimenting with some ceramic base high temp engine spray paint for a base cost in order to get a more factory looking slug.
It bakes on at 200 Degrees for one hour and is good for 550 degrees. If it works out ill let you know. Do you know of anyone trying this yet? I enjoy your videos.
+Buck Barnes no I don't remember anyone mentioning that paticuler one. as you may know we have some crafty folks in the casting and reloading community. one thing to consider is .... will the ceramic base bullet harm the barrel. their has been talk of another powder That might have mica as an ingredient that some say to avoid. . just throwing out what I know... Let me know how it goes. .. thanks again!
Would that be the Harbor Freight black?
+Buck Barnes sound like you already knew! ; ) yea.. not something I m real worried about but it's worth mentioning. .. the black don't seem to be as pliable as some of the others. .. it may have something to do with flat vs. gloss... I suspect?
El...I had an 'epiphany' watching this...those slick little piggies, your missiles, just keep exiting and getting away, they may have hit that train I heard! TRY THIS...Build a trough of 2X8" X 32" long of pine that will fit upside down over the gell for the shots...when the missiles escape the trough will stop them from disappearing. What do you think?..............charlie....:-)
Hey Charles Irby. .. that's exactly what I would have Done but I think the next video I finally stopped one of those illusive rascals!
You really know how to cram an 11 minute video into 44 minutes.
long range accuracy on the 223.........
I miss Elvis