Loango: The 19-year-old male gorilla, but he is not a silverback | The Lomako’s Group
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- In the Gaia Zoo, at the Lomako’s troop there is a male gorilla named Loango. He is the brother of the late silverback Makula. I saw a male gorilla this thin for the first time, and his nephew Mosi is also very thin. I'm not sure what the reason is, but Makula looked very robust as a silverback in the photos. Perhaps someone who knows them can tell me why they are so thin. I don't think this is a normal physique. Mosi is already 14 years old but looks like he's 8 or 9. I am very worried about the newly born Makongo and hope he grows up healthy.
In GaiaZOO, a baby gorilla Making was born on April 9th. This marks the first birth of a gorilla in nearly ten years at the Kerkrade NL.
The father of this baby gorilla, Lomako, arrived in Kerkrade in the spring of 2022. He took over the leadership role after the passing of Makula, who died in June 2021. This is Lomako's first offspring. As for the mother, Tamidol, this is her second baby.
The baby is a boy👦, his name is Makongo.
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If any of you know why 19-year-old Loango is so thin, feel free to share. He also has a 14-year-old nephew, Mosi, and I'm equally worried about him.
A deficiency of some kind at birth? They’re not starving. It had to be some kind of vitamin deficiency.
According to the Gorilla Studbook both Loango and Mosi are castrated. Truly heartbreaking. ❤️🦍
@@eaglesflyproud where did you get that information? I’ve never heard of them castrating or neutering silverbacks that is wild but thank you for the information and if you have any articles or webpages that I can look at, please share thank you so much.
@@eaglesflyproud Every time I see these two, I get pissed at how they destroyed their gorilla manhood. The databases do list them as neutered, and they did it early just like they did to Tayari and Iriki's younger brother, Jabari. They are both supposed to be full grown silverbacks with the potential to lead their own troops. Instead, they look deformed... not even the weight of full grown females. It's sickening. There were alleged rumors floating about the internet that doing this makes the male gorillas more "manageable."
@@eaglesflyproud Every time I see these two, I get pissed at how they destroyed their gorilla manhood. The databases do list them as neutered, and they did it early just like they did to Tayari and Iriki's younger brother, Jabari. They are both supposed to be full grown silverbacks with the potential to lead their own troops. Instead, they look deformed... not even the weight of full grown females. It's sickening. There were alleged rumors floating about the internet that doing this makes the male gorillas more "manageable." I hope they didn't / don't destroy this new adorable little one.
Love to Loango. This conservation is not conservation. Castration is not the answer. When will humanity mature and make responsible decisions. If the true intention is to care for endangered species the actions taken are not done with compassion. Thank you gorilla friend Charlotte for sharing Loro Parque a wonderful environment for bachelor silverbacks. It gave me hope in humanity to see these gorillas so well cared for . I suppose humans must learn from their mistakes. And glad there is a platform to speak up on behalf of all primates. We can learn from these gorillas who are gentle and strong. Instinctive and yet learning to adapt in captivity. I dont go to zoos anymore. But my heart loves these gorillas and will speak up on their behalf. I am not expert but I do know love and compassion goes a long way.
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Wow I would love to know about this as well. A first for me too! Please someone who knows explain
Is there any friend who can give us an answer?🙋♀️
@@AllThingsGorillaI found this information when I was researching side effects of castration in Gorillas. Physical changes: There may be physical changes due to the altered hormone levels, such as reduced muscle mass and changes in body composition.
Potential health issues: Castration can lead to an increased risk of certain health problems, such as bone density loss or cardiovascular issues, due to the reduction in testosterone.
Thank you 🙏
I looked him up on dewars and he is castrated. I am shocked at his condition though. You would think it would not result in such severe side effects. I would have thought he would look more like a female. I hope he is happy though? Very sad now I worry for Abaju.
I also want to understand why he is so thin, and if he has been neutered, can it really result in such a physique😨? You may not be shocked when watching the video, but seeing him in person was an indescribable shock for me😱😱.
@@AllThingsGorilla I was surprised at how thin they are too. I did not know that neutering them could cause that to happen.
His condition really looks terrible. He's just longer in body than the females, but even thinner than them. Seeing him was heartbreaking for me 💔💔❤🔥
@danye1875 i have the same question too, hopefully, someone can provide an answer for us
This is what neutering does to them. Removes their aggression and also.muscle development. Bit like zombies, it's not nice but allows them to stay in natal group with a silverback without aggression.
I would assume it’s because he has been nurtured. I know for a while nurturing male gorillas was considered an answer to an over abundance of males with no where to place them. I think a lot of countries are now leaning more towards bachelor groups instead.
Yes; there’s a young male gorilla at Twycross Zoo in England, Shufai, who’s been neutered, presumably so he can keep on living with his family troop (mother, father, grandmother, and an unrelated adult female) indefinitely, because for whatever reason he’s not considered suitable for a SSP breeding program. It’s a rather controversial thing but keep in mind we do it routinely to our own dogs and cats without it having and effect on their health or quality of life. The only alternatives for him would eventually be having to live alone, which is unnatural for a gorilla, or living permanently in a bachelor troop. I guess they weigh these choices by considering what’s best for the troop, as well as for the individual gorilla. Losing a troop member can be very traumatizing for them.
@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ciCães e gatos não esta o em extinção, ao contrário, é cruel, perverso, controverso, o ser humano é o ser mais hediondo da face da terra .
@smokey2114 Compared to being neutered, I prefer the bachelor troop. I've seen very nice bachelor troops where they interact like family, play together, and care for each other.💗❤️
@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci I don't know if Loango's thinness is solely due to being neutered🥲. If it is, then being neutered harms them not only by preventing them from having their own offspring but also affects their health😔. This is the first time I've seen a gorilla so thin, and I can't express how shocked I was at the time😱.
@@AllThingsGorilla Yes, I doubt that too. Gorillas are critically endangered. Plus no other animals look emancipated after neutering. He looks like he has some sort of genetic disorder (and his nephew) I have a feeling that may be why he was neutered. So he couldn’t pass on any genetic issues. I can’t imagine this would be done otherwise.
Looking further down the comments the general consensus is him being neutered. This is so sad. The only "good" thing, (and I say this very loosely) he gets to stay with his family. But when you see Lomako or anyone of the other magnificent and powerful males, it's a travesty. It's devastating. I, like many others look at the bachelor groups and would love for all of them to have their own females, but bachelor groups are far more preferable than poor Loango's fate. I too would be worried about any younger males and Makongo. 💖💖🦍(I love love gorillas) but not this.
Seeing Loango, I feel that gorillas in bachelor troops like Lengai, Meru, Monza, Upala, Akiki, and Ngoro are much happier than Loango, even though they don't have mates like him. They can live and play with other gorillas, have beautiful backs, and become real silverbacks, rather than being thin and weak like him.🤔️
@@AllThingsGorilla Absolutely, I really hope that neutering males is fazed out. This is not the way to go. 😢
🤝🤝Agreed with you 🙋♀️🫶❤️🦍💔
@@AllThingsGorilla The difference is the castrated males won't fight or cause trouble... bachelor groups actually are not very natural- it looks nice but as well as play, there is also frequently stress among the males, particularly unrelated ones. As they get older they often have to be seperated due to fighting, so that some end up living alone. This is not widely mentioned obviously..castration was seen as a way of allowing at least some males to stay in the group they were born in, and also taken pressure of the number of males needing places in bachelor groups, but it has very harmful effects too.
I think its extremely cruel to castrate any animal especially a Gorilla smh they're already endangered as it is. I just hope for the ones who are that they are mentally and emotionally okay❤🦍🙏🏽
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Why not do genetic testing on Loango?
I'm not sure either. Hopefully, someone can reply to this question.🙋♀️
I don’t like castrated gorillas. It´s always sad for me. And this is example.😢
Really？ Has he been neutered? This is the first time I've seen a gorilla very thin like this, and I'm shocked 😱.
Why neuter them🥲? Why not send them to a bachelor troop😞? There are many bachelor troops in Europe. Is he really neutered😨? Really😨? I can't believe it.🥹
@@AllThingsGorilla EEP policy. While castration is being reduced, unlike SSP, EEP does or used to do it.
I was in contact with former coordinator.
I am glad that compared to the 90s, when EEP let gorillas freely to increase the population, that today the population is stable in Europe and today EEP regulates it as SSP.
I feel the same. Prague Ajabu and my fav boy Shufai are neutered. It’s sad because Shufai comes from a great line! Just send them to bachelor group. Silverbacks arn’t meant to be neutered!😞
@@AllThingsGorillahey friend! Yes Loango is neutered. There is a great online site called Zoo chats that has a wealth of info. You can ask any question and get an answer. Some people have been on the site forever!😊
He is long and lanky, it doesn’t appear his ribs are showing, his thighs have some muscle definition. He has no testosterone coursing through his body to bulk him up and he won’t have the fat layers like the females for child bearing. I hope he is ok, I’m sure he is getting as much as the rest of them. The age they are neutered is going to have a bearing on their appearance. Only time will tell what long term effect this is going to have. It’s very sad but at the time there was talk of euthanasia as a solution. As much as I think it’s terrible I’m so thankful they went this direction instead. I feel like it would be murd^r to harm these precious babies.
I felt heartbroken 💔 when I saw Loango's condition. I'm not sure if it's related to his age of neutering, but his situation looks really bad to me😓. He seems to have almost no muscle or fat left, just a skeletal frame😣. The impact of seeing him in person is indescribable😥😓; it's very sad💔😭.
They are endangered!!! Why on the world would they castrate them!?! Maybe they were inbred??? They should have a conservation plan.
Because their father Bongo had too many offspring, Loango was neutered to prevent inbreeding. I find this very cruel😭. Loango has three brothers in the same bachelor troop, all of them are handsome silverbacks. But sadly🥺, none of his brothers have offspring either, yet they haven't been neutered🫶❤️🦍.
Loango est en fait très grand et très mince. C'est pour cela qu'il ne sera jamais un dos argenté. Il existe des hommes qui sont très grands et très minces et qui ne gagneront jamais en masse musculaire. Loango en fait partie. Ceci dit, je n'avais encore jamais vu un gorille mâle aussi grand, ni aussi mince😮
Je le trouve très beau et très gracieux 🥰
Votre observation délicate sur Loango est très appréciée. Sa taille et sa finesse le rendent effectivement unique. C’est un bel exemple de grâce naturelle. Merci de partager cette pensée.
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Unfortunately he's been castrated which is why he looks like this. It means he doesn't have normal behaviour for a male gorilla either, just lives as an outsider tolerated by the group, as he is no threat to the adult silverback, the same with the other castrated male Mosi. Not a very happy life for them.
What that’s horrible he looks horrible😢😢😢
I'm also not sure why he's so thin😨. He has been neutered, but I don't think that's the main reason for his thinness. I hope someone who knows them well can answer my question. 🙋♀️
@@AllThingsGorillait's the neutering g. Neutered chimps look similar, no muscle development. They do look weird and rather sad .
There's about 12 in various European zoos but Loango at 19 years old is the oldest.
@@AllThingsGorilla I agree, but thank you for trying to help
@@ZombieQueen819 💔💔my heart has been BROKEN😭
May be diabetes
Perhaps, his nephew Mosi is in a similar situation. He's already 14 years old but looks like he's 8 or 9 years old😨 and is also very thin💔💔.
Yes! It could be!
I am very confident it has to do with hormones, either genetically their bloodline isn’t producing the male hormone enough that produces maturity in looks or castration/neurter has happened, they look very tall in structure and very thin too. They obviously are NOT producing that male hormone, if it’s not genetic, then due to castration or neutering that produces the strong hormone for the looks of a male silverback. For example: when a male mature lion with its full grown mane is castrated or neutered they loose that mane and look more like the mature female lions. In humans we can get injections of the hormone to produce more of a male/female hormone to express in our looks but idk if it has been done in animals especially gorillas?.?.? They look content. As long as they are NOT suffering and are happy in their environment let them be….
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To be honest, I feel their living environment is not good. The indoor area is not clean, lacking sufficient bedding, and the food is not very varied. I have serious doubts about their happiness, but I have no way to ask or communicate with them. Seeing them so thin really breaks my heart. 💔 Perhaps it's due to the presence of male hormones, but why choose to neuter them? In Europe, there are many bachelor troops. Comparatively, bachelor troops should be more suitable for their growth.🫶❤️🦍💔
They have been castrated to allow them to live in natal group as adults with no threat to the silverback
@martinbanks8161 A bachelor troop is also an option, so why choose neutering🥹🙅♀️?
@@AllThingsGorilla There are not enough bachelor groups to contain all the surplus males.. it costs a lot of money to build enclosures for gorillas(or other apes) so not that many new ones get built. With a birth ratio of 50/50 there are lots of spare males as in group you only need one adult male for several females. Castration was made an option so at least some males could stay in the group they were born in as they are no threat to the silverback leader. But its very controversial. The problem is too many gorillas have been allowed to breed in Europe zoos. That's how the problem was created. I think all castrate males will look similar to Loango as they mature. I've seen castrated chimps and mandrills that look similar. No muscle development males them look tall and slim..