This is the most amazing zoo! The mangabey socializing with the gorilla is excellent. It makes me wish I lived closer so I could visit this zoo in person. 🦍🐒
Essa família tem um olhar triste, Loango se não tivesse passado pelo absurdo de uma castração seria um grande Dorso prateado, Mosi, outro que se não tivesse passado por essa perversidade, tambem seria um lindo Dorso prateado, ele é corajoso, seria um líder, fico muito, muito triste e revoltada com essa crueldade, vários Zoos só pegam gorilas por causa de $$$$ não para preservar e procriar, não se castra uma espécie criticamente ameaçada de extinção, é um crime, é covarde, perverso, odioso, se acha que não tem espaço não pega os gorilas, a genética pode ajudar na questão de nascer poucas fêmeas, qualquer especie corre perigo se tiver mais machos que fêmeas, até os humanos, os Países desenvolvidos no atraso da castração, quem teve essa infeliz ideia que deveria ser castrado, covardia humana, todo lugar que tem humanos, tem atitudes abomináveis, é muito revoltante.
That's so good that this family is allowed to stay together in spite of a new silverback. Here in the states, this family would have been split apart and sent to multiple zoos.
It's terrible that in Europe these zoo's are castrating these males. The testing done has only shown negative impacts, especially with their health (castrating them messes up their development and they look so pitiful because their not able to produce the levels of hormones they should be, and this one already looks like he's suffering some serious Osteoporosis already-which is one of the side effects of castrating a male gorilla!) Bachelor groups all over the world are thriving and at least then they have the hope of eventually finding a female group. But mutilating an endangered species is just easier for them and should be stopped immediately, not praised. Just look at them!
@@AllThingsGorilla They won't all get families unfortunately. There are not enough zoos. We have dozens of bachelor groups and probably 100 or more silverbacks waiting to be placed. Some of these guys have been in bachelor groups for 10 years or more. Why not let them stay with their siblings as long as possible.
@dmoore2732 Male gorillas face a direct dilemma upon reaching adulthood: whether to leave their natal family, similar to adult male lions. If they remain within the troop after reaching maturity, they may be perceived as a threat by the silverback and could be attacked for the protection of females. Leaving voluntarily or being castrated becomes a matter of choice. However, there are now increasingly more bachelor troops where male gorillas live together without needing to be castrated, potentially growing into handsome silverbacks.🫶♥️🦍🙏🙏🙏
@@AllThingsGorilla I see your point. They can be in danger in bachelor groups as well. There have been a few cases where a non-dominant male was bullied to death. I just wish zoos would transfer the male again if he is in a bad situation. Mosi doesn't seem like the docile type, though.
Is there something different about their faces/eyes? I can't articulate what it is exactly, maybe it's the depth/shape of the brow, but if I compare this troop to other troops, this one seems to stand out more uniquely....their eyes somehow seem more expressive than the norm. Although my idea of 'norm' is based on a very small sample size of like 4 or 5 troops, which is hardly statistically significant lol
I noticed the same thing. There is an overly bred line of gorilla genes in Europe which has caused A LOT of diversity issues. Zoo pros call it the Appenhaul line. I guess the over breeding of one line started there and spread throughout Europe. So many of the gorillas we see look so similar. Except 😅Tamidol’s father (Bitam) is wild caught and her mother (Baby Doll) was born at Howletts. It seems that none of this troop is part of the Apenhaul Line. I hope that helps 🤷♀️
@@SPMarti-69 It would depend on if the Apenheul line refers to Bongo or Jambo. Bongo had around 25 kids and part of this troop does descend from that line. Mosi, Nala, and Zola are his grandchildren and Loango is his son. Tayari at the Taipei zoo is also Bongo's granddaughter.
There's a documentary called Harambe. It focuses on Harambe's death, but it also goes in depth about the ratio of male gorillas being born. Basically the zoo's in Europe will either neuter the male gorillas or cull them. It upset me so bad that I couldn't watch videos of the babies for a long time especially Ringo because its really hard to know what some zoo's will do.
Here's some good news. The Krefeld Zoo in Germany is opening a new facility where they'll create a bachelor group for young male gorillas. This way, adult males can stay near their parents and avoid being neutered. I hope this is the start of a more humane approach in European zoos.
@@lesliewallace9665 ditto.. that is an amazing facility. Their primate area is state of the art. It mimics the environmental conditions they are from. I hope Japan will start to consider sending their 2 up and coming males abroad to a Bachelor group.
@@samanthamorena3585 For now, Dalila and Mosi are jointly responsible, but Mosi spends more time with Baby Makongo. Dalila takes over in the afternoon. However, the final decision on who will be the foster mom for Baby Makongo has not yet been made.♥️👶🦍🙏
I believe they knew Tamidol was fading out Nala wasn't upset over being warned, it wasn't even harsh. He appears to be patient w them. Him and Nala are watching Mom and his wife. Its concerning that she lost her life when they could've found answers since the baby was born. She didn't need to suffer in confusion and pain while they monitored her and waited until euthanizing to scan. Its upsetting.
@@samanthamorena3585 When filming this video, I was unaware that Tamidol already had health issues. Indeed, during my visit, Tamidol often seemed very drowsy. At the time, I just thought she was more tired because she had to take care of the baby. 😭
What a shame they ruined that black back. They don’t do much to help the species. He will never be a silverback because the neutered him. Such a creepy zoo. Not watching this zoo anymore.
There is indeed no way to justify such cruel behavior. Humans, who pride themselves on being civilized, have done barbaric things to these beautiful creatures, encroaching on their homes and slaughtering their companions. Ultimately, it is humans who, based on their own will, decide how these animals live. But who gave humans that right? The decision is not made by a particular zoo, but by the policymakers who establish these cruel rules.🫶🦍🙏🙏🙏
I try my best to just think 🤔 about how happy the gorilla’s family troops look together ❤❤❤❤ and always try to stay positive but WTH Mosi should have never been done that way. And all that has to STOP 🛑. He would be happy and healthy in a bachelors group/troop also😢😢😢😢😢
Agreed 100%. It's truly unfair to HIM that a decision made by humans will forever prevent him from becoming the silverback he was meant to be. I believe there is another male in this troop that is in the same situation. It's really very sad. The zoos responsibility is to take care of them which does NOT include preventing them from becoming silverbacks.
Absolutely agree I find this family too upsetting to watch, I alternate between being angry and heartbroken when I look at what happened with Loango and Mosi. I also worry about about Tamidol's new baby boy. They castrated Shufai, Lopes brother at Twycross in the UK, the decision was made at his birth apparently. Yes please STOP this, we have no right to deprive these animals of their full potential.
@@neptunes3279 It is heartbreaking to know that these perfectly healthy gorilla boys are being cruelly castrated in zoos all over Europe, Shufai could have easily followed Lope to the bachelor troop in France. 🥲
In this group, there are two castrated male gorillas: 19 yr old Loango and 14 yr old Mosi. Because they do not pose a threat to the silverback, they can live together with him.Their castration is a shame for us.
Because Loango and Mosi were castrated, their hormone levels affect their muscle development, so they don't have the impressive muscles of a silverback. The castration decision was made by the EAZA (European Association of Zoos and Aquaria), and the zoo is following their orders. The decision was made so that surplus males can remain in their family groups without becoming aggressive toward the silverback.♥️🦍🙏🙏
Absolutely, there is definitely a sense of connection between us and them. Even without words, we can see their emotions and intelligence. Their eyes and actions often express so much.❤️
@@AllThingsGorilla sorry. I know, I meant for that to be a joke. I forgot to put lol at the end. It was a reference as to how strong silver backs are. Sorry
I think so too. Nala is already ready to be a mother, as is another girl gorilla, Zola. We don't know where their mates will come from, but if the zoo decides to let them be mates with Lomako along with Tamidol, there’s nothing we can do to change it. ☹️♥️🦍🙏🙏🙏
Mosi is not malnourished; his muscle mass is reduced due to being castrated, which affects his hormone levels. The castration decision was made by the EAZA, and the zoo is following their orders. This decision was made so that surplus males can stay in their family groups without becoming aggressive toward the silverback.
This is the most amazing zoo! The mangabey socializing with the gorilla is excellent. It makes me wish I lived closer so I could visit this zoo in person. 🦍🐒
🥰🥰🥰🤝🤝The gorillas in this troop are all very nice, and the mangabeys get along well with the gorillas. A loving family 😍😍🫶🦍💋👍👍👍
Essa família tem um olhar triste, Loango se não tivesse passado pelo absurdo de uma castração seria um grande Dorso prateado, Mosi, outro que se não tivesse passado por essa perversidade, tambem seria um lindo Dorso prateado, ele é corajoso, seria um líder, fico muito, muito triste e revoltada com essa crueldade, vários Zoos só pegam gorilas por causa de $$$$ não para preservar e procriar, não se castra uma espécie criticamente ameaçada de extinção, é um crime, é covarde, perverso, odioso, se acha que não tem espaço não pega os gorilas, a genética pode ajudar na questão de nascer poucas fêmeas, qualquer especie corre perigo se tiver mais machos que fêmeas, até os humanos, os Países desenvolvidos no atraso da castração, quem teve essa infeliz ideia que deveria ser castrado, covardia humana, todo lugar que tem humanos, tem atitudes abomináveis, é muito revoltante.
Siim tornaram o direito deles isso é nojento😢😢😢 fico pensando em Gentaro e Kyo
Mosi has such a similar physique to Annie hehe
I was thinking the same thing 😊😊
Except she looks healthier.
And that by this age he should be on his way if not already a silverback....unfortunately he won't ever get to be one.
@@Sammy-kn2nb 😢
Loango and Mosi look like they are peace keepers who calm things ❤🦍
I think Nala is a very pretty girl!😊
Tamidol was a loving mother to all of her children. Mosi and Nala are so sweet together.
Yes, they are a very loving family.
You think the silverback ever wonders why he is the huge one 😂
That’s a very good question! I’m guessing they will maybe continue to get a little taller and hopefully gain some weight.
@mmaphilosophy 😂😂😂👍
@@MySkinnydip😂😂😂🤝🤝🦍🦍💪
Mosi seems very sweet and gentle. But it bothers me to see black backs. It just seems cruel.
well he has been "gentled" so. Yup.
@deniselloyd6659 I also feel very sad🥹. If Mosi could become a father, he would definitely be the gentlest and kindest father😘😘💋🦍♥️🫶.
He's not a typical blackback. Technically, he and his uncle (Loango) should be full grown silverbacks. Don't get me started though. :(
@@fj2201 Mosi and his uncle Loango will always remain Blackbacks😢 It's truly sad😭, but it has already happened.🫶🦍♥️🙏🙏🙏
There is a reason they do it, wish that wasn’t the case. This is the first time I’ve seen that they have a very different look
That's so good that this family is allowed to stay together in spite of a new silverback. Here in the states, this family would have been split apart and sent to multiple zoos.
@dmoore2732 On one hand, I am relieved that they can be with their original family🥰. On the other hand, I feel sad for them💔 😫🫶🦍♥️🙏🙏🙏
It's terrible that in Europe these zoo's are castrating these males. The testing done has only shown negative impacts, especially with their health (castrating them messes up their development and they look so pitiful because their not able to produce the levels of hormones they should be, and this one already looks like he's suffering some serious Osteoporosis already-which is one of the side effects of castrating a male gorilla!) Bachelor groups all over the world are thriving and at least then they have the hope of eventually finding a female group. But mutilating an endangered species is just easier for them and should be stopped immediately, not praised. Just look at them!
@@AllThingsGorilla They won't all get families unfortunately. There are not enough zoos. We have dozens of bachelor groups and probably 100 or more silverbacks waiting to be placed. Some of these guys have been in bachelor groups for 10 years or more. Why not let them stay with their siblings as long as possible.
@dmoore2732 Male gorillas face a direct dilemma upon reaching adulthood: whether to leave their natal family, similar to adult male lions. If they remain within the troop after reaching maturity, they may be perceived as a threat by the silverback and could be attacked for the protection of females. Leaving voluntarily or being castrated becomes a matter of choice. However, there are now increasingly more bachelor troops where male gorillas live together without needing to be castrated, potentially growing into handsome silverbacks.🫶♥️🦍🙏🙏🙏
@@AllThingsGorilla I see your point. They can be in danger in bachelor groups as well. There have been a few cases where a non-dominant male was bullied to death. I just wish zoos would transfer the male again if he is in a bad situation. Mosi doesn't seem like the docile type, though.
Is there something different about their faces/eyes? I can't articulate what it is exactly, maybe it's the depth/shape of the brow, but if I compare this troop to other troops, this one seems to stand out more uniquely....their eyes somehow seem more expressive than the norm. Although my idea of 'norm' is based on a very small sample size of like 4 or 5 troops, which is hardly statistically significant lol
I noticed the same thing. There is an overly bred line of gorilla genes in Europe which has caused A LOT of diversity issues. Zoo pros call it the Appenhaul line. I guess the over breeding of one line started there and spread throughout Europe. So many of the gorillas we see look so similar. Except 😅Tamidol’s father (Bitam) is wild caught and her mother (Baby Doll) was born at Howletts. It seems that none of this troop is part of the Apenhaul Line. I hope that helps 🤷♀️
@@SPMarti-69it does! Thank you😊
It’s almost like they are a different species of gorilla. They have the silverback face and those long lean arms and legs. No butt.
@@SPMarti-69 It would depend on if the Apenheul line refers to Bongo or Jambo. Bongo had around 25 kids and part of this troop does descend from that line. Mosi, Nala, and Zola are his grandchildren and Loango is his son. Tayari at the Taipei zoo is also Bongo's granddaughter.
I think it's about food, they're too thin they weren't feeded properly
There's a documentary called Harambe. It focuses on Harambe's death, but it also goes in depth about the ratio of male gorillas being born. Basically the zoo's in Europe will either neuter the male gorillas or cull them. It upset me so bad that I couldn't watch videos of the babies for a long time especially Ringo because its really hard to know what some zoo's will do.
Here's some good news. The Krefeld Zoo in Germany is opening a new facility where they'll create a bachelor group for young male gorillas. This way, adult males can stay near their parents and avoid being neutered. I hope this is the start of a more humane approach in European zoos.
@@AllThingsGorilla I support that wholeheartedly
@@lesliewallace9665 ditto.. that is an amazing facility. Their primate area is state of the art. It mimics the environmental conditions they are from. I hope Japan will start to consider sending their 2 up and coming males abroad to a Bachelor group.
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That whole situation with Harambe was heartbreaking and so unnecessary.
Dalila! ❤️❤️❤️🦋🌹
@sunjan216 🫶🦍♥️🙏🙏🙏 hope Dalila stays healthy forever😘
@@AllThingsGorilla will Dalila foster Tams baby??
@@samanthamorena3585 For now, Dalila and Mosi are jointly responsible, but Mosi spends more time with Baby Makongo. Dalila takes over in the afternoon. However, the final decision on who will be the foster mom for Baby Makongo has not yet been made.♥️👶🦍🙏
Ужасно и больно видеть этих молодых самцов, которые могли стать прекрасными серебристоспинными. Эти прекрасные лесные люди заслуживают уважения 😢😢😢😢😢❤
🥹🥹It’s truly heartbreaking to see these wonderful creatures unable to become beautiful silverbacks. 💔
I believe they knew Tamidol was fading out Nala wasn't upset over being warned, it wasn't even harsh. He appears to be patient w them. Him and Nala are watching Mom and his wife. Its concerning that she lost her life when they could've found answers since the baby was born. She didn't need to suffer in confusion and pain while they monitored her and waited until euthanizing to scan. Its upsetting.
@@samanthamorena3585 When filming this video, I was unaware that Tamidol already had health issues. Indeed, during my visit, Tamidol often seemed very drowsy. At the time, I just thought she was more tired because she had to take care of the baby. 😭
What a shame they ruined that black back. They don’t do much to help the species. He will never be a silverback because the neutered him. Such a creepy zoo. Not watching this zoo anymore.
There is indeed no way to justify such cruel behavior. Humans, who pride themselves on being civilized, have done barbaric things to these beautiful creatures, encroaching on their homes and slaughtering their companions. Ultimately, it is humans who, based on their own will, decide how these animals live. But who gave humans that right? The decision is not made by a particular zoo, but by the policymakers who establish these cruel rules.🫶🦍🙏🙏🙏
I always like to see Dame Dalia!🫶🏽11:06 who’s the ear cradler?
@MySkinnydip At 11:06, it's Loango covering his ears👂. Mosi walks outside, passes by Dalila😍, and then Loango is seen in the frame.🤝🫶♥️🦍
I try my best to just think 🤔 about how happy the gorilla’s family troops look together ❤❤❤❤ and always try to stay positive but WTH Mosi should have never been done that way. And all that has to STOP 🛑. He would be happy and healthy in a bachelors group/troop also😢😢😢😢😢
Agreed 100%. It's truly unfair to HIM that a decision made by humans will forever prevent him from becoming the silverback he was meant to be. I believe there is another male in this troop that is in the same situation. It's really very sad. The zoos responsibility is to take care of them which does NOT include preventing them from becoming silverbacks.
Absolutely agree I find this family too upsetting to watch, I alternate between being angry and heartbroken when I look at what happened with Loango and Mosi. I also worry about about Tamidol's new baby boy. They castrated Shufai, Lopes brother at Twycross in the UK, the decision was made at his birth apparently. Yes please STOP this, we have no right to deprive these animals of their full potential.
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@@neptunes3279 It is heartbreaking to know that these perfectly healthy gorilla boys are being cruelly castrated in zoos all over Europe, Shufai could have easily followed Lope to the bachelor troop in France. 🥲
@@Sammy-kn2nb Thank you for understanding
I guess I missed the attack, LOL. Looked more like a warning to me.
Mosi and Lomako exchanged a gaze full of warning.🦍💪♥️
9.29 это я после обеда 😂
😂😂😂👍🫶♥️🦍
Why would they put this male in with an established Silverback?
In this group, there are two castrated male gorillas: 19 yr old Loango and 14 yr old Mosi. Because they do not pose a threat to the silverback, they can live together with him.Their castration is a shame for us.
@@AllThingsGorilla Thank you for clearing that up. I was wonder why the silverback didn’t destroy that black back after he stared him down like that.
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Good question
Was it this zoo that had Mosi and his uncle castrated?
@@Steph_D6 yes🥲 it is
Why are those black backs so skinny skinny??
Because Loango and Mosi were castrated, their hormone levels affect their muscle development, so they don't have the impressive muscles of a silverback. The castration decision was made by the EAZA (European Association of Zoos and Aquaria), and the zoo is following their orders. The decision was made so that surplus males can remain in their family groups without becoming aggressive toward the silverback.♥️🦍🙏🙏
It’s sad that we share about 98% of our dna with them, but they can’t talk to us.
Absolutely, there is definitely a sense of connection between us and them. Even without words, we can see their emotions and intelligence. Their eyes and actions often express so much.❤️
why does Dahlia cradle her ears
Dalila might just be swatting away flies.😛
Was that black back brave, stupid or right down suicidal.
Mosi, the black back, who gave the silverback a warning ⚠️ to protect his sibling.
@@AllThingsGorilla sorry. I know, I meant for that to be a joke. I forgot to put lol at the end. It was a reference as to how strong silver backs are. Sorry
They should move daughter off. She is ready to be a mom. And being one under her own mother is just sad.
I think so too. Nala is already ready to be a mother, as is another girl gorilla, Zola. We don't know where their mates will come from, but if the zoo decides to let them be mates with Lomako along with Tamidol, there’s nothing we can do to change it. ☹️♥️🦍🙏🙏🙏
What about Gentaro or Kiyo..either of those would be perfect for Nala and Zola
@@deanieedwards8117 They are indeed a perfect match for these two sisters.👍👍👍
Wow they are an amazing family ❤❤❤❤nice video thank you❤❤❤
Has Lomako been observed mating with Nala?
mosi is suffering from serious malnutrition,,in fact they are all underweight..have nothing to do...no food no trees this is criminal
Mosi is not malnourished; his muscle mass is reduced due to being castrated, which affects his hormone levels. The castration decision was made by the EAZA, and the zoo is following their orders. This decision was made so that surplus males can stay in their family groups without becoming aggressive toward the silverback.