@@gs425 yes ,a lot of previous Hornby 31s had the dreaded mazak or some even with the wrong type of body (for example r3880 31147) and previous model were Lima,airfix and triang so not as detailed
@@1RichieRich this is true, however any manufacturer sub contracting to China could have same issue...even accurascale, and you won't know until years have passed. At least hornby have been good with warranty with them.
At last, a class 31 we can buy with excellent mechanical components and no risk of mazak rot. I've wanted a 31 for some time, but wouldn't touch the current model with a barge pole as I don't trust the quality, then along comes Accurascale. Fantastic. I bet someone in Margate is throwing a temper tantrum at seeing this. Another bonus is that you can order this model from your chosen supplier with confidence, as it won't be subject to some daft supply tier system that could leave your stockist with little or no stock. Leaving both the end customer and the stockist/dealer with a bad taste in their mouths regarding the manufacturer.
In Hornby's defense, my 10 years old Class 31 showed serious chassis Mazak rot during lockdown when I had a look at it. I contacted Hornby's Customer Technical Advisors and they replaced it with a new one and gave me my old body back which is an old livery scheme. At the same time, they also replaced a mate's Class 31 with the same issue. To reinforce their helpfulness, another mate in Canada had serious electrical issues with the brand new Peckitt B2 loco I bought him. They've replaced that to. As an aerospace mechanical engineer, I pressed them over their Mazak problems, but they made it quite clear their Mazak quality problems are now sorted and behind them. Being a new inexperienced company, how do we know Accurascale won't have the same issues. Mazak is not for the armature engineer who doesn't know how to correctly specify it, especially if just left to the Chinese factory to do their thing, which may be totally the wrong grade or quality of alloy for the intended purpose
@@gs425 glad you agree. I get fed up with people putting Hornby down. Its our national treasure company, with an unnamed upper management arshxle in charge (not necessarily Kohler). Its like people saying a certain pub needs closing down. A pub is just a building, its the prat of a landlord who needs kicking out.
@@andrewdking hi Andrew. I've spoken about them many times in comments . Kohler is a dithering fool and a bad unprofessional image for the company. I don't think their constant screen presence is doing them a lot of good neither. But as you say mazak issues have been around since hornby tinplate days. And it's with other companies. When I worked in small gearbox design thankfully all our pressure diecasting was done in the Midlands by iso9002 companies with traceability , as you would have in your industry. But out sourcing to China can bring problems if not checked. I was on hornbys side with the 66 re release (they already made the model from lima moulds anyway) , same with the terrier which they acquired from dapol. Some of their moves of late with the rocket wagons and small coaches have made me feel the doubters were right though. They haven't helped themselves for image! As for who's in charge well you can see that from companies House...which is why a merge with Oxford didn't take too much imagination to expect. As for this model...well with a 31 made by triang, airfix with their smooth 5 pole motor, then lima who got the scale body right, then updates to that I'm railroad, then the super detailed hornby. ..why have accurascale made yet another ? And why isn't the comments section full of people moaning about that like they did when they saw hornby producing models other people have or were about to bring out
@@gs425 with reference to your last paragraph: well Accurascale is the small underdog company producing hi-fi details at an affordable price. Well they are now, but weren't when initially released (other models that is). We British love the underdog, so will give them the 👍 and Hornby the 👎. When I saw this video topic, my first reaction was, why, because Hornby's model is perfectly acceptable and mine had a rotating roof fan. However, Accurascale may have justified their model by wanting to produce many varients. I have no idea if Hornby's tooling also allows for all or most of the body varients. If it does, then Accurascale is just playing Hornby at their own silly game.
Saw my first ones at Kings Cross as a Canadian kid living in London in 1970's with my Grandmother. They were power for the local trains, and the unique "windshield" was the first thing that stuck with me on Brush-type Class 31. Those and the Deltic's quickly became my favourites.
i love the new class 31 in Intercity Mainline livery by accurascale. Intercity Mainline, Intercity Swallow and Intercity British Rail Executive are my favourite childhood liveries.
My first ever loco was the Triang Night Freight set, Christmas circa 1966/67 plus a Jinty with smoke. One of my best ever Christmas presents. I've loved the Class 31 ever since.
A new ‘Brian’ nice ,and a better price retail too,I hope they do the experimental blue livery, I have the golden ochre hornby model from Kernow , yes in terms of detail it’s like in 76 when I got my airfix class 31 compared to the then hornby iit was a leap forward this had promise and if the price stays reasonable I wish the company well and hope they don’t change like a certain company which was once a by word in the hobby ,nice presentation Mark ,all the best from Mark 😊😊👍🏻👍🏻 Ps say hi to Richard and Mike 😃
@barnabyjoy 1990s Lima £25 loco 0.2% average wage, 2020s Bachmann Class 47 DCC Sound £260 1% average UK wage. Quality has gone up but I think prices have risen faster than quality. Also attendant with the increased complexity the failure rate has gone up from about 2% 1990s to 8% present (about 100 in each sample). A simple comparison is with Lima Class 59 selling for about £35 in 1994 and the almost exactly the same Hornby Class 66 sells for £74 in 2021. The biggest reason I think for prices rising even ahead of the quality is that the price of something is not related to what it costs to make but by what the market will bear. The baby boomers have now reached a fairly prosperous retirement so there is plenty of demand. A retailer in my local model shop told me that of the leisure pursuits only fishing has a greater turnover than model trains. So the simple reason why trains are so unreasonably expensive is because you and I still buy them. The only upside of this is the entry of new manufacturers of which Accurascale gives exemplary quality at a reasonable price. The other upside is the range of models would be undreamt of in the 1990s with dinosaur diesels and pre-grouping steam locos being produced.
One of my 31's had the dreaded Mazak rot but Hornby handled it really well . My other 31's have no issue whatsoever. I'm sure Accurascale will produce a great model but it will be a hard act to follow with Hornby's offering which is still very good . A delivery date of 2023 sounds optimistic to me if the experience they are having with the class 37's is anything to go by .
Hi fellow modellers I sincerely hope an as built ( Toffee Apple) D5500-D5519 would be considered along with all other pre- tops versions including blue & green livereys skinhead& headcode varieties.The proposed tech spec is quite impressive as is price all things considered.
I have just ordered one but didn’t know l would have to wait until 2023 rather annoyed they never stated that. Hope they do get the sound right but doubt they would get a good recording on a little branch line and with a not very heavy load. I used to drive them out of Kings Cross and still do in preservation.
Hi Brian, we state in the product announcement on our website that they are indeed due during Q2 2023. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what we achieved with the sound recording. :)
Very impressed with the new announcement, speaking generally like the way that accurrascale introduce a locomotive with a miriad of liveres hornby these seem to have lost touch with customers especially with customers in the south.
The production batch of Brush Type 2s were not a success until fitted the EE 12SVT engines as the original engines suffered from fatigue problems. The pilot scheme with lower powered engines ever suffered the same engine problems.
Again Accurascale leading the way on quality AND price..... I bet Hornby now crank out a few more 31s now including the white stripe Finsbury Park 31/4's that theyve never done......or willAcvurascale beat them to it?
So accurascale have another brand new model in the class 31 ? What about the 55 and the 37 ? So many in the pipe line ! Let's hope it doesn't get blocked , maybe one at a time would have made more sense ?
Deltic is about to leave China, and the others won't be too far behind. The world is just coming out of a 24-month pandemic, which has affected manufacturing...
Have to agree with many comments here. Hornby model is very good but the Mazak rot is a nightmare. Particularly if you want to sell one on as second hand. The accurascale price is excellent and Hornby do need to take note.
Think you forgot to mention that as built the Class 30 was a disaster. The Mirrlees engines were unreliable and the whole fleet had to be re engined with EE power units at great cost to the taxpayer, becoming Class 31s.
With all that expensive electronic equipment included, much of which will interfere with my Solid State Interlocking (BR SSI) and Track Circuits (TCB) ! No thanks ! If you do a NON DCC variant I might be interested. NOTE: Not all modellers are DCC fans. Indeed as a qualified Railway Engineer I can say it's IMPOSSIBLE to operate a large exhibition layout realistically if you use DCC, for the simple reason DCC breaks just about every rule in the BR Rule Book !!!!
A very enjoyable video, set in lovely countryside, in beautiful weather. Excellent camera work and drone footage of the 1:1 scale 31 but not an awful lot about the model. 🤔 The comments section is becoming as interesting as the videos on this channel. There's more mentions of Hornby than Accurascale, which seems a bit strange, maybe understandable though and I've just added to that tally.😁 Whatever the resident "price police" may say, I think Accurascale may have done us all a favour here. Still not a 𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒂𝒑 model, the prices on this highly detailed loco are well below those being charged by the "big boys" and people notice this stuff. Few people, very few, feel that current prices are justified and, despite what is being said by a couple of keyboard warriors on here, it's hurting this hobby. As a general rule, the smaller, more specialist manufacturers tend to be more expensive than the large, corporate companies and Accurascale seem to be bucking that trend. Among others, there will be people in Margate taking serious note of this. Folks have suggested that "yet 𝒂𝒏𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓 31" is a strange choice. One possible reason behind that could be that, with all the very different variations of the 31, Accurascale may be hoping that modellers will invest in more than one of these. Careful selection of prototypes could give you a few quite different locos. Also, as they're to include some early examples of the class, these could be run on many steam-era layouts too, using several different liveries of coaching stock. One thing that was mentioned was "scale thickness handrails". That's a new one on me and I'll be interested to see what these look like on the fully-painted models.😁
Click here to find out more about Accurascales new announcement: www.keymodelworld.com/article/brand-new-accurascale-oo-gauge-locomotive
Excellent looking model, well appointed and at a decent price. Another nail in Hornby's coffin.
hi, yes agree,hornby have got a run for their money. its the last curtain call.
If it beats hornby on price then ok I won't be grumbling, but do we really need yet another 31?
@@gs425 yes ,a lot of previous Hornby 31s had the dreaded mazak or some even with the wrong type of body (for example r3880 31147) and previous model were Lima,airfix and triang so not as detailed
@@1RichieRich this is true, however any manufacturer sub contracting to China could have same issue...even accurascale, and you won't know until years have passed. At least hornby have been good with warranty with them.
Hornby expects £220 for an ANALOGUE loco with a tooling that’s about 15 years old…
At last, a class 31 we can buy with excellent mechanical components and no risk of mazak rot.
I've wanted a 31 for some time, but wouldn't touch the current model with a barge pole as I don't trust the quality, then along comes Accurascale. Fantastic.
I bet someone in Margate is throwing a temper tantrum at seeing this.
Another bonus is that you can order this model from your chosen supplier with confidence, as it won't be subject to some daft supply tier system that could leave your stockist with little or no stock. Leaving both the end customer and the stockist/dealer with a bad taste in their mouths regarding the manufacturer.
In Hornby's defense, my 10 years old Class 31 showed serious chassis Mazak rot during lockdown when I had a look at it. I contacted Hornby's Customer Technical Advisors and they replaced it with a new one and gave me my old body back which is an old livery scheme. At the same time, they also replaced a mate's Class 31 with the same issue. To reinforce their helpfulness, another mate in Canada had serious electrical issues with the brand new Peckitt B2 loco I bought him. They've replaced that to.
As an aerospace mechanical engineer, I pressed them over their Mazak problems, but they made it quite clear their Mazak quality problems are now sorted and behind them.
Being a new inexperienced company, how do we know Accurascale won't have the same issues. Mazak is not for the armature engineer who doesn't know how to correctly specify it, especially if just left to the Chinese factory to do their thing, which may be totally the wrong grade or quality of alloy for the intended purpose
@@andrewdking yes I agree. It happens in time with many more manufacturers than just hornby
@@gs425 glad you agree. I get fed up with people putting Hornby down. Its our national treasure company, with an unnamed upper management arshxle in charge (not necessarily Kohler). Its like people saying a certain pub needs closing down. A pub is just a building, its the prat of a landlord who needs kicking out.
@@andrewdking hi Andrew. I've spoken about them many times in comments . Kohler is a dithering fool and a bad unprofessional image for the company. I don't think their constant screen presence is doing them a lot of good neither.
But as you say mazak issues have been around since hornby tinplate days. And it's with other companies. When I worked in small gearbox design thankfully all our pressure diecasting was done in the Midlands by iso9002 companies with traceability , as you would have in your industry. But out sourcing to China can bring problems if not checked.
I was on hornbys side with the 66 re release (they already made the model from lima moulds anyway) , same with the terrier which they acquired from dapol. Some of their moves of late with the rocket wagons and small coaches have made me feel the doubters were right though. They haven't helped themselves for image! As for who's in charge well you can see that from companies House...which is why a merge with Oxford didn't take too much imagination to expect.
As for this model...well with a 31 made by triang, airfix with their smooth 5 pole motor, then lima who got the scale body right, then updates to that I'm railroad, then the super detailed hornby.
..why have accurascale made yet another ? And why isn't the comments section full of people moaning about that like they did when they saw hornby producing models other people have or were about to bring out
@@gs425 with reference to your last paragraph: well Accurascale is the small underdog company producing hi-fi details at an affordable price. Well they are now, but weren't when initially released (other models that is). We British love the underdog, so will give them the 👍 and Hornby the 👎. When I saw this video topic, my first reaction was, why, because Hornby's model is perfectly acceptable and mine had a rotating roof fan. However, Accurascale may have justified their model by wanting to produce many varients. I have no idea if Hornby's tooling also allows for all or most of the body varients. If it does, then Accurascale is just playing Hornby at their own silly game.
Saw my first ones at Kings Cross as a Canadian kid living in London in 1970's with my Grandmother. They were power for the local trains, and the unique "windshield" was the first thing that stuck with me on Brush-type Class 31. Those and the Deltic's quickly became my favourites.
The Hornby Class 31 is already a pretty good model but I'm sure the Accurascale 31 will be even better.
i love the new class 31 in Intercity Mainline livery by accurascale. Intercity Mainline, Intercity Swallow and Intercity British Rail Executive are my favourite childhood liveries.
They look good for sure - the regional railways one in blue also looks good on the 31 as well
Lol SK will be having a hissy fit, I'll be having 31128 thank you very much...fantastic prices as they should be!
I was thinking along those lines.
I bet someone spat their cup of tea out this morning in Margate when they heard this news.
Got mine, 31466 in EWS on pre-order! Looks like a fab little model to come!
466 does look good in EWS maroon and gold! 🤓
Class 31 has sentimental value to me as my grandad had a Tri-ang Hornby one which I now own sadly he passed away years ago
My first ever loco was the Triang Night Freight set, Christmas circa 1966/67 plus a Jinty with smoke. One of my best ever Christmas presents. I've loved the Class 31 ever since.
new Class 31 sound file from ESU online on their website 😮
A new ‘Brian’ nice ,and a better price retail too,I hope they do the experimental blue livery, I have the golden ochre hornby model from Kernow , yes in terms of detail it’s like in 76 when I got my airfix class 31 compared to the then hornby iit was a leap forward this had promise and if the price stays reasonable I wish the company well and hope they don’t change like a certain company which was once a by word in the hobby ,nice presentation Mark ,all the best from Mark 😊😊👍🏻👍🏻
Ps say hi to Richard and Mike 😃
The irish part of this company announced new RSPI coach stock yesterday..they look fantastic ....
hubba hubba, love 31s and i'll be ordering at least 1 maybe 2, or maybe 3 lol
31s are in my top 3 loco classes.
Thanks for the video
Count me in, my second favourite diesel loco. Great price point too compared, to delusional Hornby latest.
Let's hope Accurascale continue with their realistic pricing. It will be interesting to compare it to yesterday's offering from Rails of Sheffield.
@barnabyjoy it's the prices that put them off not talking about them!
As an owner of accurascales first and thus far only released loco, the A class. Trust me when I say ye have a lot to look forward to
@@retrocd7991 as I said in my other post it's not for me, but I commend Accurascale for what they have achieved here for a realistic price
@barnabyjoy 1990s Lima £25 loco 0.2% average wage, 2020s Bachmann Class 47 DCC Sound £260 1% average UK wage. Quality has gone up but I think prices have risen faster than quality. Also attendant with the increased complexity the failure rate has gone up from about 2% 1990s to 8% present (about 100 in each sample). A simple comparison is with Lima Class 59 selling for about £35 in 1994 and the almost exactly the same Hornby Class 66 sells for £74 in 2021. The biggest reason I think for prices rising even ahead of the quality is that the price of something is not related to what it costs to make but by what the market will bear. The baby boomers have now reached a fairly prosperous retirement so there is plenty of demand. A retailer in my local model shop told me that of the leisure pursuits only fishing has a greater turnover than model trains. So the simple reason why trains are so unreasonably expensive is because you and I still buy them. The only upside of this is the entry of new manufacturers of which Accurascale gives exemplary quality at a reasonable price. The other upside is the range of models would be undreamt of in the 1990s with dinosaur diesels and pre-grouping steam locos being produced.
@barnabyjoy no need to be a knob. It's not that it's been cheap but its been affordable.
Nicely detailed model, and it looks like it works well.
I'd love to see them produce one in the Red Stripe Railfreight livery as I used to see lots of them around Bescot shed back in the day.
Despite being a diehard steam fan, I have a soft spot for the Brush Type Two which earned their keep and look pretty good too…
Wonderful way to launch a new product.
Take my money now!
Well no good for my 1927 LMS layout, but not a bad price especially when compared to Bachmanns 47's . Well done Accurascale 👏
Great looking loco from accurascale
at last a decent cl 31. count me in for a green one,still have my old Triang one which was ok at the time in 1963.still runs great.
Been waiting for someone to make a decent up to date 31. Have one preordered looking forward to it.
One of my 31's had the dreaded Mazak rot but Hornby handled it really well .
My other 31's have no issue whatsoever.
I'm sure Accurascale will produce a great model but it will be a hard act to follow with Hornby's offering which is still very good .
A delivery date of 2023 sounds optimistic to me if the experience they are having with the class 37's is anything to go by .
Beautiful model, hornby really needs to take note on quality features and especially price 🤨
Hi fellow modellers I sincerely hope an as built ( Toffee Apple) D5500-D5519 would be considered along with all other pre- tops versions including blue & green livereys skinhead& headcode varieties.The proposed tech spec is quite impressive as is price all things considered.
Chinnor; my Airfix 00-gauge model is based upon the Class-31 D5531 located there when it was in original BR green.
Bloody good price and the model looks amazin
I have just ordered one but didn’t know l would have to wait until 2023 rather annoyed they never stated that. Hope they do get the sound right but doubt they would get a good recording on a little branch line and with a not very heavy load. I used to drive them out of Kings Cross and still do in preservation.
Hi Brian, we state in the product announcement on our website that they are indeed due during Q2 2023. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what we achieved with the sound recording. :)
Looks great but will I still be alive when they actually turn up at the shops?
Very impressed with the new announcement, speaking generally like the way that accurrascale introduce a locomotive with a miriad of liveres hornby these seem to have lost touch with customers especially with customers in the south.
Fantastic !!!
Ordered in intercity with sound for myself and my son
Looks good.
Great another quality loco , But we still don't have the Deltic , you know what I mean LOL
The production batch of Brush Type 2s were not a success until fitted the EE 12SVT engines as the original engines suffered from fatigue problems. The pilot scheme with lower powered engines ever suffered the same engine problems.
Ive got the all singing and damcing Hornby class 31 with the lights etc but no sound
Neil the Mazak rot is an old problem which does not apply to the new models
I would buy one from Accurascale if only to not buy one from Hornby.
Quick glance of GCR at Loughborough as primer finish 31 rolls out of Brush.
Only the it would have been a Class 30 until re-engined.
Seems a good value locomotive this.
Hopefully they'll produce a model of 31430 with the modular tooling
Please can we have a pre-tops blue one, with arrows under the cab windows.
Again Accurascale leading the way on quality AND price.....
I bet Hornby now crank out a few more 31s now including the white stripe Finsbury Park 31/4's that theyve never done......or willAcvurascale beat them to it?
Wonder when they'll release a yellow one 😀
Geez I hope it's a Class 40 with current day Preserved/Mainline variants.
Class 40 ? This video is clearly described that it's a Class 31
@@andrewdking yes but the video would have been titled differently before it premiered..
Bachmann are doing Class 40 Andania in its current mainline livery…
@@terrier_productions Premiered ! This is UA-cam, not 20th Century Fox 😄
@@andrewdking I posted this as a wish before the announcement lol
Uh oh… my poor wallet!!! 😉
Will 31601 be produced for run 2 in DC Rail livery?
Which preserved line is shown around 3 mins 20 on the video?
Strathspey?
Do you think people would have had a cigarette in those coaches?
I would not be surpried if Hornby will wait for these to come out and drop the price of there one.
So accurascale have another brand new model in the class 31 ? What about the 55 and the 37 ? So many in the pipe line ! Let's hope it doesn't get blocked , maybe one at a time would have made more sense ?
Deltic is about to leave China, and the others won't be too far behind. The world is just coming out of a 24-month pandemic, which has affected manufacturing...
Nice. Even nicer if it ever actually appears.
SR U CLASS
Wow
Damn Accurascale have sold out on all of them already on their website!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Which tells you one thing. The are NOT overpriced for their target market !
@@steveluckhurst2350 I was only joking, they are all available now but yes AS prices undercut everyone!
@@sapphirejunction8993 hang on while I just get my foot out of my mouth! 😂😂😂
Have to agree with many comments here. Hornby model is very good but the Mazak rot is a nightmare. Particularly if you want to sell one on as second hand. The accurascale price is excellent and Hornby do need to take note.
Class 40 pleeeeeesssseeeee🤞
Bachmann are doing Class 40 Andania in its current mainline livery.
@@nickg2762 good to know, but hopefully Accurascale will make a announcement soon…
i wish manufacturers would bring something new out,and not copy other models already prouduced,how many versions of a prototype do we really need?
Class 31
Royal Mail class 325
I wonder what the price will be in 2023....I really need to win the lottery?
The price won't be changing :)
Think you forgot to mention that as built the Class 30 was a disaster. The Mirrlees engines were unreliable and the whole fleet had to be re engined with EE power units at great cost to the taxpayer, becoming Class 31s.
With all that expensive electronic equipment included, much of which will interfere with my Solid State Interlocking (BR SSI) and Track Circuits (TCB) ! No thanks ! If you do a NON DCC variant I might be interested. NOTE: Not all modellers are DCC fans. Indeed as a qualified Railway Engineer I can say it's IMPOSSIBLE to operate a large exhibition layout realistically if you use DCC, for the simple reason DCC breaks just about every rule in the BR Rule Book !!!!
Cool... but considering they sold out of these... I would think you might just well be in the minority here.
Strikes me as extortionately priced, especially an extra £100 for DCC sound.
A very enjoyable video, set in lovely countryside, in beautiful weather. Excellent camera work and drone footage of the 1:1 scale 31 but not an awful lot about the model. 🤔
The comments section is becoming as interesting as the videos on this channel. There's more mentions of Hornby than Accurascale, which seems a bit strange, maybe understandable though and I've just added to that tally.😁
Whatever the resident "price police" may say, I think Accurascale may have done us all a favour here. Still not a 𝒄𝒉𝒆𝒂𝒑 model, the prices on this highly detailed loco are well below those being charged by the "big boys" and people notice this stuff. Few people, very few, feel that current prices are justified and, despite what is being said by a couple of keyboard warriors on here, it's hurting this hobby.
As a general rule, the smaller, more specialist manufacturers tend to be more expensive than the large, corporate companies and Accurascale seem to be bucking that trend. Among others, there will be people in Margate taking serious note of this.
Folks have suggested that "yet 𝒂𝒏𝒐𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒓 31" is a strange choice. One possible reason behind that could be that, with all the very different variations of the 31, Accurascale may be hoping that modellers will invest in more than one of these. Careful selection of prototypes could give you a few quite different locos. Also, as they're to include some early examples of the class, these could be run on many steam-era layouts too, using several different liveries of coaching stock.
One thing that was mentioned was "scale thickness handrails". That's a new one on me and I'll be interested to see what these look like on the fully-painted models.😁