Shaw Usurper v2 Battle Belt - I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed

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  • @texasranger24
    @texasranger24 15 днів тому +31

    This is why we need battle belt review channel. You just eliminated a possibl expensive mistake from my buy list.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +4

      Bear in mind it's just my opinions and tests. There may be other uses it truly Excels.... I just couldn't find it from the civilian perspective

    • @SpicySnafu
      @SpicySnafu 13 днів тому

      Between this and the chalk belt, i feel like I owe walsh a couple good cigars.

    • @jarrodsealey3086
      @jarrodsealey3086 8 днів тому

      @@ThinLineDefenseCothe no look mag change was the cleanest part of the whole video and NO ONE seems to notice in the comments😂

  • @TheGruntPerspective
    @TheGruntPerspective 14 днів тому +20

    To address a few things. I own this belt and like it a lot. But I do think you hit it on the head in the beginning by saying that is more oriented towards military. As far as the canted sleeves, one of the reasons they are positioned where there are is to clear pouches on the cummerbund that guys need. I also believe it’s a great blend of rigid and flexible. Rigid where it needs to be like carrying the pistol. But the whole belt being able to flex with your body is something that guys who wear this equipment for hours on end want.
    You can absolutely use the buckle slots to mount gear, I’m doing it right now.
    It’s absolutely not meant to be a super rigid competition belt. It’s more meant to be comfortable while still carrying a reasonable load well.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +4

      I feel you but if this style is what you want... the Beez does it better.... the wilder is lighter.... and the HRT has more structure.
      I agree there are mission sets outside of our more civilian perspective. But even then.... I got some better options for you
      stay safe out there brother. This retired first sergeant had enough lol

    • @davethrasher4124
      @davethrasher4124 14 днів тому +1

      ​@ThinLineDefenseCo hearing you're a retired 1SG makes so many things fall into place. Your personality always reminded me of a PSG that my buddy had, and a 1SG that we both knew in passing.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +4

      I hope that's a good thing haha it was a very rewarding time to be able to look at the red tape and go "no...we're not doing that" and really help people.

    • @davethrasher4124
      @davethrasher4124 14 днів тому +3

      @ThinLineDefenseCo it absolutely is, he was a solid guy to serve undet by all accounts.

  • @FlyingSquirrel8275
    @FlyingSquirrel8275 7 днів тому +7

    I'm active duty army, and I have a Usurper V1 that I've been using as my "work" setup for over a year, and a V2 I've used as a competition setup for a few months. I have some counter points because I think this review is misleading and Id love to know more about what kinds of tests and trials you conducted to come to your conclusions.
    1. You keep using the term "load bearing." This belt is not described as loadbearing by Shaw anywhere on his website. gunfighter belts aren't LBE, none of them are designed inherently to put a ton of shit on them. This design of belt is for you to remove some items from your plate carrier to streamline your carrier, and that's for any of them, Ronin, AWS, BFG, etc. The suspenders are nice if you're someone that might be putting something like Belt Fed pouches on it to prevent slipping, or want whatever weight might be distributed to your shoulders.
    1. Some people don't like canted mag pouches, but having a belt that has a dedicated option for those who enjoy canted mags (myself for instance) whether that be from a competetive standpoint or duty standpoint is awesome. The laser cut is strong and I've never had issues with it.
    3. The inner belt is designed to be standalone. It's thick enough that you can route an ALS or similar holster attachment and routable mag pouches. This seems more geared towards LE/Mil. The fact that the belt comes with independently usable systems is awesome. You're not just left with an outer belt, and some long piece of velcro you route into your belt loops. I dont know what belts you usually wear but the cobra Buckle is no different in feel than a typical rigger's belt. I'm also not sure what size of belt you bought but for a properly fitted belt, there are 3-5 G-hook slots available. You have almost a dozen so I don't think you followed the instructions on how to pick what size belt to select on his website.
    4. It's not a CCW inner belt. Almost every offering of inner belt otherwise, is also not a good CCW belt.
    5. The interior sewn portions are blocked off so you dont route the pouch somewhere that could interfere with the connection to the velcro, and is instead routed directly to a stronger material. This complaint is similar to someone being upset that they routed their pouch around the entirety of a Ronin belt and it caused a point of failure or undue pressure.
    6. Again, canted mag pouches, they are placed in a natural body position, out of the way of your front plate bag. Short of the very rare instance of reloading your handgun from the prone while laying on your support side, the canted design actually makes it easier to remove the mags in this position than a vertical design would. In your description of your distaste for their location, where you would be pulling the magazine from limits your range of movement or cause a snag point, where they are keeps them out of the way. If you look at your own setup, they are in a location where nothing sits above them or in the way of your ability to reliably remove the magazine. If you don't like the canted mag pouches, why did you buy the canted mag version? Even then, if you don't like the way the magazines face, as you said, just shift the belt over or collapse the rear adjustment face to your liking. I did this with my GBRS and Ronin belts because, as a lefty, the free running adjustment tab got in the way of molle space, so the buckle was canted off to my 10' o clock. Not every one needs the suspenders, which is why they're not sewn into the belt. Again, the belt also does not appear to be fitted properly to you.
    7. You keep bringing up the knife. Not a belt feature but you bought a 400 dollar knife you don't use?
    8. Let's talk rigidity. Rigity Rigity Rigity. I don't know what your background is or what you do now, but I'll say this, the hyper rigid belts are extremely uncomfortable if you have to do anything where you're moving and shooting to and from unconventional shooting positions, sitting in cramped areas. The belt moves with your hips and forms to you. I've worn this belt for literal days on end and at times have forgotten it's even there, and the tegris and laminent provides stability for the actual pouches while again, contouring to your body. Anyone that has worn a Ronin for 8+ hours never forgets the experience.
    9. The inner belt is great for standalone. It's padded, comfortable, and morphs to your body, and again, can have a OWB holster attached to it if needed. It is not a CCW belt, and if memory serves, it's never been touted as one.
    10. The rear molle for the connector panel, is a molle section. You can stuff to it if needed. I don't know what the argument you're trying to make with this.
    11. The belt is once again, not sized properly. You bought an inner belt that was way, way too big, and it doesn't look like you properly sized the outer belt either with how much excess you have. There are instructions on his website on how one should select their size. I run a medium with a 33" waist wearing Crye/Patagonia and have nowhere near the amount of excess material you have

    • @Adidas_Altyn
      @Adidas_Altyn 6 днів тому

      I do agree but i have two questions out of curiosity. I do have this belt but just havent set it up yet.
      Is routing pouches through tegris better than routing them through the laminate? Or is it similar.
      And what about hyper rigid belts makes them uncomfortable? Ive never owned one and im assuming you are referring to the axl and hrt tegris belts.
      Is is similar to why the aws inner belt gets uncomfortable after a while? I cuts into me and hurts after some use. Got the quore performance one now.
      I am excited to fully set this belt up and see if i agree or disagree with thin line. Im coming from the aws molle belt which for the record i do really like

    • @FlyingSquirrel8275
      @FlyingSquirrel8275 5 днів тому +1

      I have my pouches routed through the laminate, ive never had an issue with rips, tears or excess wear. Belts like the AWS or Ronin are very rigid and dig into your hips after some time wearing them, as well as also dont mold to your body and don't move with you, the usurper does. The AWS is great, it's the gold standard, but the Usurper innovated on the typical design and made it fully modular. Again, ive worn it for days on end without any problems or discomfort

    • @Adidas_Altyn
      @Adidas_Altyn 5 днів тому

      @@FlyingSquirrel8275 oh nice. Im excited to finally set it up and use it then. I will probably use the qore inner belt with it and use the cobra buckle on the outer belt

    • @foxtrot_oscar
      @foxtrot_oscar День тому

      Seeing as you have experience with this belt, does attaching suspenders allow you to use this more like a padded belt and how much weight do you reckon it could comfortably take?

  • @luise.2611
    @luise.2611 14 днів тому +4

    When I first read the title of this video I couldn’t possibly fathom the Shawn concepts belt not being great based around the hype and the coolness but everything you said about the belt is true. A little bittersweet, but as always, we appreciate the honesty.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +2

      It's important to reiterate that there may be purpose built missions for this belt that I just don't know of.
      From a civilian perspective though, It's confusing.

  • @natethegreat2310
    @natethegreat2310 15 днів тому +14

    Thanks for buying the “disappointments” so we don’t have to 😅

  • @ArtemisTsukuyomi
    @ArtemisTsukuyomi 14 днів тому +2

    I think Pale Horse Concepts make use of a similar system to mount outer to inner belts. Would be interested to see if they did a better job making it work.

  • @sidewindharmshire
    @sidewindharmshire 14 днів тому +1

    thank you for this
    ive been told by all my friends that this belt was gonna be the latest and greatest and now im realizing my GBRS belt was the better bet. appreciate it

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +3

      the.... wait what... no no no

    • @ChrisWoo-d9d
      @ChrisWoo-d9d 14 днів тому

      ​@@ThinLineDefenseCo I know you have a lot hate on their gear, but you have to appreciate these guys training or giving better knowlege and training to LEO agencies and civlians. Thats what their market is , also DJ the co owner, hes a super solid dude. However i find their mag pouches is probably what you might like over their belt. I dont own any of their gear products. Just a side note or to keep in mind. Also i think GBRS have made a change in their inner belt where its a standard not that weird 3 piece system they did.
      When i say i don't own any of their gear i genuinely do not at all, i just like the training and knowledge they put out.

    • @sidewindharmshire
      @sidewindharmshire 13 днів тому

      @@ThinLineDefenseCo sure the buckle sucks doo doo and the inner belt leaves a lot to be desired, but it is very rigid and is bartacked thru the tegris

  • @Croak1
    @Croak1 14 днів тому +6

    I hated mine too, but you can get a bit better load bearing by using One-Wrap. Or just throw it in the box of shame and use another belt. Which is what I did.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +2

      yea it kept being concessions to get it to the same level of other belts.
      Now you can win a second one haha

    • @Croak1
      @Croak1 14 днів тому +2

      @@ThinLineDefenseCo Don''t you put that evil on me Walshy Bobby!

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +1

      haha the wheel only taketh

  • @monty_python_og
    @monty_python_og 7 днів тому

    Have you tried out the Blue Alpha Battle Belt Lite?

  • @DanDannyDanielleBob
    @DanDannyDanielleBob 15 днів тому +2

    Gen 2? Load bearing? Worn with suspenders? Sounds like a side by side with the attackpak alpha is called for

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  15 днів тому +1

      I agree. Those attackpak guys are pretty awesome too..

  • @Rspec_randy
    @Rspec_randy 13 днів тому

    I agree with you on this belt. Coming from Mil/LE guy here this belt is more towards that for specific units or specific people in my opinion. I love Shaw products. I rock their placards, pouches, and plate carrier, but I always felt this belt was lacking in those topics you talked about and just didn't make sense to me that's why I never got it, and this video helped explained why. Now the belt I wear is similar to this one but executed way better in my opinion which is the Pale Horse concepts belt. They both use that G hook attachment for the outer belt which I believe Shaw got the idea of his belt from was from theirs. The Inner belt overlaps inside the pant lop making it a stable rigid platform and the outer belt uses the sizing adjustment better. The inner belt tab does also tuck itself inside the belt that way it doesn't get in the way of Velcro adhesion. They sell canted mags which is goes more upfront which makes more sense instead of having it in the side of the hip. If anyone is planning to get these type of belts Pale Horse concepts is the way to go. Other than that Shaw makes great products, but the belt isn't for everyone some people may love it, and some people won't. Great review no sugar coating anything and straight to the point.

  • @Cptkirk44
    @Cptkirk44 12 днів тому

    Would you review one of the options from Xbelts? It’s more LE focused but I know they sell one of their belts in multicam so I assume there’s a Mil-use for it

  • @mvangils410
    @mvangils410 12 днів тому

    Walsh you are so bad! 🤣 Thank you for the video. It was some good entertainment. Say hello to the crew for me. God bless! Be safe!
    🤙🪖👮🙏🇺🇸

  • @nf4833
    @nf4833 14 днів тому

    How about the Arctic Technical gear belt. I gave it a try and it was a bit of a pain. I ended up buying a single piece of Tegris that I drilled holes in to replace the two laser cut pieces in their kit. And I had to order another 10 section Multicam outer sleeve and get Rid of the two small two section pieces they provide. I’m thinking about seeing if there’s Tegris plastic that comes in a thicker dimension to stiffen the belt up even more.

  • @5.56Chronicles
    @5.56Chronicles 14 днів тому

    Walsh, before I jump in and buy a Mech Belt, have you had a chance to check out the Dynamic Principles belt?

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +1

      I havn't. Dynamic Principles is good but at the current time I'd still say Mech. Hopefully dynamic principles cooks up something later to use those cantable pouches though!

    • @5.56Chronicles
      @5.56Chronicles 14 днів тому

      @ sounds good. I’ll be on their website today and I’ll take a look.

  • @joshjosh7029
    @joshjosh7029 15 днів тому +5

    First thing first is it rated? Will it make my dad proud? Wheres sandwhich pouches and patches? Please walsh solidify my purchases!

    • @Pouncer_Fox
      @Pouncer_Fox 15 днів тому

      Snack pouches and morale patches are mandatory on all loadouts. No exceptions.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      always

  • @jordanpohl6856
    @jordanpohl6856 15 днів тому +3

    This suspender looks like a solution to the problem pf the flexibility of the belt by holding it up, which I feel is a solution to a problem that did not need to exist.

    • @davidbroadhead5572
      @davidbroadhead5572 3 дні тому

      suspenders are mostly for guys like saw gunners with 200 round drums on their belt. Using them for a lightweight setup like he's showing makes no sense.

  • @WeaponizedAutismiii
    @WeaponizedAutismiii 11 днів тому

    Now for a comparison since shaw supposedly collabed with pale horse concepts.
    The mk6 belt vs usurper v2

  • @Quazo594
    @Quazo594 11 днів тому

    Would love to see you do a video on the Baer solutions belt. Concept seems cool, but you know how that goes.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  10 днів тому +1

      I feel exactly the same. I'll get it on the list!

    • @Quazo594
      @Quazo594 8 днів тому

      @ thanks brother. Honestly I think your gear reviews are the best. But I might be a little bias 🤣

  • @Hkarmy55
    @Hkarmy55 15 днів тому +2

    Can we get a link for that bull knife

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +1

      UA-cam gets pissy with links. I added it to the one with all the stuff listed
      ...I think some heathen already got to them

  • @USMCRabbit
    @USMCRabbit 14 днів тому +1

    This just makes me love my ARC belt even more...

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      such a good one. That Wilder lightweight is legit too

    • @PerFecTD0P3B01
      @PerFecTD0P3B01 14 днів тому

      @@ThinLineDefenseCothis channel actually convinced me to buy the ARC.
      Usually Shaw concepts doesn’t miss so it’s surprising that this one wasn’t so great.

  • @baileylouque6579
    @baileylouque6579 14 днів тому +2

    knife into dirt... i died a little

  • @benjaminbeltran-samples9536
    @benjaminbeltran-samples9536 6 днів тому

    I just wish this video came out sooner before I spent my money

  • @thePreparedFather
    @thePreparedFather 14 днів тому

    God I’m so deeply grateful for someone being honest. Lately the pushing of the same fund by 8 UA-camrs on the same day or the gear they peddle being a paid ads makes me want to fucking throw up

  • @WisSota_Boy
    @WisSota_Boy 11 днів тому

    I’m a huge fan of Shaw Concepts especially their ARC v2 but not their belt. My preferred belt is the Blue Alpha Battle Lite. Surprised you haven’t reviewed one yet?

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  10 днів тому +2

      I should snag one! Those look good and I absolutely love the BAG inner belts so I bet it's nice.

  • @murph240
    @murph240 15 днів тому +4

    Gotta try the baer wojtek and subsecond boujee

  • @watchface6836
    @watchface6836 14 днів тому

    I know this is a bit off topic, but what was the knife in the thumbnail? I think it looks really nice.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      that's the shaw/half face blades Collab nice. It's nice but I don't use it since it's a little silly expensive.
      Doesn't fit on the belt either with is... my favorite

  • @Adidas_Altyn
    @Adidas_Altyn 13 днів тому

    Im putting a cobra buckle on mine and putting it on the qore performance inner belt wish me luck

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  3 дні тому

      hah it's been 10 days...how did it go?

    • @Adidas_Altyn
      @Adidas_Altyn 3 дні тому

      @ThinLineDefenseCo its finals week bro i haven't had time 😭 college is almost done for the semester tho and hopefully this weekend i can get it all set up

  • @timmarshall3651
    @timmarshall3651 15 днів тому +4

    I absolutely love how much you hate this belt.

  • @Freedm762
    @Freedm762 14 днів тому

    what placard is that

  • @zacharyfett2491
    @zacharyfett2491 15 днів тому +1

    You can add me to the list of people who were very excited for this belt. Like, VERY excited. I cannot believe how bad the execution was on this one.
    And no sandwich pouch? Well that’s just bad form.
    #TeamCarrotCake

  • @XCzzZ_88
    @XCzzZ_88 15 днів тому +1

    hey Walsh can you do a review on pale horse concepts belts please

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  15 днів тому +3

      It's in the list! I'll bump it up. Got a lot of requests for that one

    • @XCzzZ_88
      @XCzzZ_88 15 днів тому +1

      nice always looking forward to your vids

  • @TROY-MCCLURE-1991
    @TROY-MCCLURE-1991 12 днів тому +1

    The Pale Horse Concepts belt is a better version of the Usurper V2.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  12 днів тому +1

      yea we'll have to check out what those are cooking up!

  • @bthemedia
    @bthemedia 14 днів тому

    Looks like we need “Baer Wojtek Belt” review… as the latest/greatest Gen 2+ belt!?!

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      I need that one. It looks awesome with cantable pouches

  • @DevonReclaimed
    @DevonReclaimed 15 днів тому +2

    Hey Walsh if you ever do a review on the ferro concepts bison belt you'll probably put it lower in the gen 1.5 ranking along with doing a review on the T-Rex arms speed belt in the Gen 2 ranking both have the same issue no rigidity where the belt buckle meets.
    Thinking of switching to the new Haley Strategic D3 belt as it seems to blend Gen 1.5 and 2 with full circumference curve material and a new locking cobra buckle

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому +1

      Sounds like we got a few we need to put though the tests!

    • @DumbGrunt.0311
      @DumbGrunt.0311 14 днів тому +1

      The new Haley D3 is absolutely baller

  • @SpicySnafu
    @SpicySnafu 13 днів тому

    Im definitely tracking your package.... kinda bummed that this thing isnt the tits mc grits but thats just how it goes. TBH, I was more curious about the suspenders as ive been rocking the ATS ones for the past few months. Stay beautiful walshy potter.

  • @ZeRo76Liberty
    @ZeRo76Liberty 13 днів тому +1

    Walsh tell us how you really feel 😂

  • @Deadbolt412
    @Deadbolt412 14 днів тому

    So, you like it then?

  • @MrKingArthurhk
    @MrKingArthurhk 14 днів тому +1

    It sounds like like a setup that would piss me off.

  • @justinmoore4088
    @justinmoore4088 14 днів тому

    Geez...what a mess...thanks for the heads up!

  • @Adidas_Altyn
    @Adidas_Altyn 13 днів тому

    Me watching this after buying 👁️👄👁️

  • @Ricochet845
    @Ricochet845 14 днів тому

    This is the kinda crap that makes me stick with my old school over the shirt battle belt kinda thing like HSGI makes…. Molle all the things, and I haven’t had a problem with my stuff in like 20’ish years that I been using them.

  • @rytacarms
    @rytacarms 13 днів тому

    although I think the agilite belt is absolute trash, this isn't so hot either sadly.
    at least for most civ's maybe it works for some

  • @alpine7313
    @alpine7313 14 днів тому

    It's always funny to me to see competition belts being labeled a "battle" belt. If it doesn't carry at least 6 mags, 24 hours of emergency rations, and 2 litres of water, it's not a battle belt.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      well I think that's because that's what a bag is for.

    • @alpine7313
      @alpine7313 14 днів тому

      @@ThinLineDefenseCo Bag is for 5+ days of rations, 5+ litres, and a sleep system.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      So we assume no pockets then?

    • @alpine7313
      @alpine7313 14 днів тому

      @@ThinLineDefenseCo In the bag??

    • @DumbGrunt.0311
      @DumbGrunt.0311 14 днів тому +2

      It’s not Vietnam anymore, man. The belt is worn to supplement the load on your plate carrier. Conflict has evolved and it’s time to get with the times.

  • @TyrQuest
    @TyrQuest 14 днів тому

    The suspenders look terrible at being suspenders.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      I looked far more ridiculous than I expected

    • @TyrQuest
      @TyrQuest 14 днів тому

      @
      That and they don’t look like they work at all as suspenders on load distribution. Based on the “Spin me Right Round” feature it seems to have.

  • @j.a.o.9395
    @j.a.o.9395 14 днів тому

    Thank God I did not buy this I've been looking at it for the past month

  • @ericmacfarlane6695
    @ericmacfarlane6695 14 днів тому

    Wow. This belt is astonishingly bad 🤣🤣

  • @JusticeforPeanut-t6x
    @JusticeforPeanut-t6x 14 днів тому

    I can only watch about 5 mins before leaving....you talk weird bro! Like 14yo girl.

    • @ThinLineDefenseCo
      @ThinLineDefenseCo  14 днів тому

      I'm over here trying to review a belt... and you're looking for your man crush lol