Don't get SHAFTED - Stock Shafts vs Genuine Aftermarket Shafts
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2022
- If you think you can save money and buy the genuine aftermarket shaft you've been fitted for off-the-shelf, you REALLY need to watch this. They might look the same but certainly wont perform the same. Consequently there will be a HUGE trade off in perform and will ultimately be a poor reflection of a fantastic fitting........If you're going to get shafted, get genuinely shafted! 😂
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What a really informative video. Well paced, well presented. A real eye opener. Thanks for taking the trouble to make these. Excellent!
Glad you’re enjoying them Andy, plenty more to come.
Another fantastic video thank you 👍
great info ... I bought a new driver this summer. Played about 50 rounds with it and then in the fall, I began increasing the number of practice sessions to 3 times a week. After 6 weeks of my fall schedule .. 1 play day ..2 practice days (or 3) .. my 50 gram evenflow riptide shaft splintered 8 inches up from the clubhead. Callaway was great and without the slightest quarrel .. they sent a replacement shaft in less than 5 days.. but I had to take to 60 gram shaft to get it that quickly. Making me a bit suspicious about the quality of those 50 gram shafts.
Excellent and informative series of videos. Swing weight and shaft weight videos also highly enlightening.
Thank you JC - lots more to come!
Play with a Tour AD XC shaft and after a great fitting, the whole driver was £800. The performance (for me and my golf) have been fantastic. Hit some great drives with it but more importantly, I never have cause to blame the club or the shaft for the bad ones I hit. This means for me at any rate, I will keep playing this driver for years to come 🤞and not be changing out to 2 or 3 different off the shelf products trying to find ‘the one’. I don’t blame people for not wanting to pay that much but if people could experience a great fit and what a top quality shaft can do, I think they would change their mind.
So very true and great to hear you have had such a good experience.
i just learned about this lol. my stock stealth with ventus red was soooo whippy and felt terrible
tried velocore ventus and was night and day
Quite different shafts
I put a ventus stiff in my ping g25 driver made more middle fairway finder plus average 10 yards longer, my swing speed 90mph+ was a worth while upgrade.
Thanks for sharing Ross 👍🏻
I did the same thing and got the same results. This combo is money!!!!!!!!!!
Great video.
Thanks Mike
My takeaway from your video is that it is a shame that you spend $600 on a driver and that it comes with a less than average shaft that needs a $350 upgrade to see it’s real potential 😡😡😡
Hi Tom. Some stock shafts are genuine but yes if you require a very specific shaft weight/profile then you need to maximise the performance of both the head, shaft and very specifically the way the two are carefully assembled. Manufacturers invest millions R&D into the heads, that’s what you’re paying for. They don’t make shafts so they outsource to the shaft companies and understandably want to spend as little as possible to offer a shaft the performs acceptably. You won’t find any stock “made for” shaft played on men’s Tours. However in some cases stock shafts are acceptable, in other cases not.
Depends on the company. Titleist only use genuine aftermaket shafts as standard but then they are the most reputable golf manufacturer....Taylormade and Callaway on the other hand not so trust worthy.
@@philipslighting8240 I just ordered a Titleist TSR3 and one of the aftermarket shafts as an option was a Tour AD IZ and it was a $200 up charge
@@philipslighting8240 that’s just not true I’m afraid not one of the stock shafts on this year’s models are “premium”, ie aftermarket quality, shafts. Eg the HZRDUS shafts are not the “hand crafted” or “small batch” premium variety.
@@wbubbles5960 Hand crafted are not regular after market shafts as you say they are Small batch. The fact it Titleist dont use made for or watered down shafts like Callaway or Taylormade. I think you are getting confused with custom shafts. Any way no need to get upset.
I noticed that your club head speed is around 105 mph and you are swinging a regular flex? My driver swing is around 95 mph I have a red Ventus tr with velocore in a 5R. It feels great with my ss!!!
Hi Chris. It’s all about shaft weight not flex. Check out this video, thanks for watching 👍🏻
Forget FLEX - Shaft weight is KING!
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So between the Fujikura speeder 661 in my old M2 and the Mitsubishi Tensei in my new Ping 425 , which is the best shaft ? Would it be worth it for me to have a Ping tip put on the Fujikura ?
Sadly I cannot say for certain which one is the best one - I also do not know which model Tensei you have so cannot give a comparison but the Speeder 661 is a great shaft. In theory the G425 head is more forgiving so if you are looking for forgiveness the the Ping will help with that
I like your last comment. Both shafts can be right, depending on the person who swings them. Fujikura is a good company and they don't make junk just to sell cheap. Players with high swing speeds can definitely derive a major benefit from the increased consistency and tighter dispersion of the Velocore aftermarket version. But for players with much lower swing speeds, like me, those benefits may not be as needed nor worth the extra cost. They should not feel like they are accepting something inferior. And I assume that reputable, honest and fair fitters like you guys would doubtless respect the budget constraints of a customer and if the higher priced aftermarket tour version is not really needed by that player, you would explain the differences and advise them to take the stock version, and, if there is money left over, use it to buy something else they need, like a wedge or putter. Horses for courses. By the way, I just recently encountered this issue when I purchased a Tour Edge 722C 10.5 degree driver for my adult son with the stock Ventus Red 5 R flex shaft that clearly has at the tip the T4 letters indicating it is non-Velocore. It was a demo put on the clearance rack in absolutely mint condition for a price too good to pass up, just US $99. Yes, $99. I have played for over 60 years and tried a lot of different drivers. I flipped the front and back weights to put the 20 gram one at the back and the 8 gram one in front, and played a round with it myself last week. it performed extremely well. So well, in fact, that I may keep it and give him my current driver!!
Correct we will always look at someone’s budget and get value for what they have to spend, only going higher grade if there is a tangible performance improvement
Am certain of that. Your operations are both technically of the highest order and clearly based on sound principled ethics.@@Precision_Golf
Does this apply to the Motore shaft that comes with the Cobra drivers?
That one is the real deal!
Of the stock shafts brands offer - are there any that are better than others? Project X for example?
Hi Richard.
Thanks for your involvement today. Stock merely means no upcharge, within that some manufacturers do offer the genuine aftermarket shafts. However, it’s very hard to say which is better as the best for one could be the worst for another.
@@Precision_Golf thanks for providing an answer. Love the content you are producing. Keep it coming. Simon is a golf genius
I swing around 90 - 95 MPH is the up grade worth it for my profile ? or a waste of $$
The only way to be certain is by testing. It really is a “definitely maybe” answer because it is only possible to be certain by testing and comparing and seeing how much difference there is. Some players see no tangible difference so the upgrade is not worth the extra cost and others see a large difference making it worthwhile, no matter what club speed someone has.
How would u compare ventus blue tr vs hzdous black?
Both stable shafts. Ventus TR is a little stiffer in the handle end but a smoother feel. Hzrdus is a couple of grams lighter but similar shafts to swing
It sure does cost a lot to put that extra graphic on the end of that shaft!
No different to the prancing horse on a Ferrari, take it off and you remove the engine as well. You’d still look good in it though…..just as long as you’re not moving :)
I found the red too whippy so went with the stock ventus blue. Im happy enough and really cant justify the cost of aftermarket shafts...
They are dear and there has to be a tangible benefit to justify the cost
Taylormade tip the aftermarket shafts too, you can tell by the velocore logo which would make the tip feel stiffer and perhaps more stable.
So it’s true when Milroy said that the pro’s don’t play with the same equipment as the amateurs
In some instances yes. The shaft that he plays is available through aftermarket but is a large upgrade cost. Some heads are “prototype” models and are not ever available as with a variety of ball variants that the your have.
Can you Tip the Velocore Red Shaft
You can but VeloCore exists in the tip so the more you tip the less tip stable you make that shaft, actually it’s gets softer.
@@Precision_Golf Thank you so much.
how does the velocore compare with the Autoflex and Brava BGT?
Apologies for the delay replying. The Velocore in the Ventus reduces the ovalling of the shaft and therefore makes the bend and twisting of the shaft more consistent meaning less deviation in strike and spin.
The Autoflex is effectively a 48g - 55g shaft that is slightly counterbalanced but also very soft. There is meant to be some “Hidden Korea Technology” but to this date noone can tell me what it is! The material quality of the shaft is clearly good to withstand the loads it can at such a soft flex but the speed gain mainly comes from the weight and balance point allowing the player to swing faster. The soft flex does produce a higher launch and spin also.
The Brava shaft is a light but very stiff profile so the light weight again promotes speed but the stiff flex is designed to give control and keep spin down. Utilising some of the principles behind the Stability putter shaft in Wood shafts to reduce dispersion.
No shaft will work for every player though so no matter his good the design or the materials it boils down to which shaft the player can move at maximum speed but critically also staying in balance and therefore controlling strike and face angle
Amazing that you spend a large amount of money for a new driver and only get the base quality shaft. Does any manufacturer sell a driver with a top quality shaft?
They do …. But with an up charge!
Ventus is the grossest offender for fake stock shafts. I've noticed that most of the stock shafts seem to be older models of legit shafts. Example my Tensei AV White in my LTDx LS, and the shaft is discontinued the next year. But, I haven't looked at all companies and options offered.
The Ventus is most used due to being the hottest model of the moment so a lot of companies want a shaft with that name in but not the cost. Shame as it isn’t good for them or Fujikura, let alone the consumer!
People need to know it cost About 10.$ US for a stock shaft and no more than 25.$ US. For the top upgrade shaft. Sad but your being screwed .This is just the truth.
Hi Bill. You are right but probably too generous on the production cost of stock “make for shafts”. 😁 However, respectfully you are wrong on cost of true premium aftermarket shafts, we have first hand experience of this. Thanks for engaging and hope you enjoyed.
@@Precision_Golf MGS would disagree with you there and I dare say they can be trusted
@@Precision_Golf remember your talking about 95% of the
Premium shafts not the few at the very top
@@billryan8707 I think more specifics required from your initial question. This very much depends on whether or not you’re talking about the cost of raw materials, or the cost for the OEMs to purchase from the shaft factories. You can strip back the raw costs materials of anything as far back as pulling it out of the ground. This should not used as argument against the retail cost. If consumers took that view you’d never buy anything every again! :) Look how much the perfume liquid costs as a proportion of the bottled product….less than 1% of the retail cost. However, I will agree that the low graphite and very high resin component in stock “made for” shafts are desperately cheap, possibly costing as little as $2 per shaft in the volumes the big companies order them it. Although that said they can be a good fit for some! Premium shaft manufacturers deserve a little more credit as in most instances when fitted and built correctly they will out perform “made for” stock shafts. It’s really down to how much someone values spending on equipment, but ultimately each to their own.
@@Precision_Golf my info is direct from MGS So could they be wrong 🤷🏼♂️👨🏻🦳⛳️👍
there are so many fake shafts, buy with care...i have seen my fake auto flex shafts selling online...citing an example.
Very true - could be an expensive mistake
Try tipping the stock shaft 1", You should get some similar results as the velc
Hi Ablazer. Sadly not at all. This would only firm up the very tip of the shaft, FCM by 3-5CPM and have no impact on any of the rest of it. Whilst it will stiffen the tip very slightly the material difference in the structure of the whole shaft on the aftermarket model will still retain far greater stability throughout the swing. As stated the stock shaft and softer profile will benefit some players but solely tipping it will not make them comparable products.
You cant polish a Taylormade Turd.
I beleive Titleist only use aftermarket original shafts.
That is correct.