Kevin Durant Puts Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant as 1A and 1B All-Time
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2024
- Are you surprised that so many NBA players have Kobe up at the top of their all-time lists? I'm not. Here's some of their arguments for why Kobe, Shaq, and others get so much respect for their dominance around the league.
Note that some of the previous generations' players like Wilt, Russell, Baylor, and West, are left out of these discussions because these younger players and fans think they're in a separate category entirely. The argument is that the league was so different then, without shot clocks, certain stats being recorded, completely different rules for dribbling and scoring (no 3-point line or palming allowed), and so on, so it's hard to compare those players on a skill level. A lot of good ball handlers today are blatantly carrying the ball every possession so you can't assume Jerry West wouldn't be just as good or better than today's guards. Wilt was the Shaq of his time, and probably better than Shaq. But we can go on and on about the difference between eras and it's still going to be subjective. What's your top 5 or top 10 if we draw the line at Kareem being the oldest candidate? Assume the league started around the late 70s or early 1980s.
Kevin Durant Top 5:
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Magic Johnson
Darius Miles Top 5:
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
LeBron James
Quentin Richardson Top 5:
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
LeBron James
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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Whenever Kobe gets the respect that he deserves, it makes me smile. The amount of disrespect that he gets from mainstream media is unbelievable
Its intentional. The players know
I agree bro I’m a Kobe fan I love the respect
What you mean he’s overrated af but MJ still the goat
Me too
@@captnjack9827 no tf he not one of the best ever hands down the media has brainwashed y'all over the years
Wow man, all these nba players put kobe in that goat conversation but the media always disses kobe , especially ESPN. Wow man
Are you sure about that? The media gave Kobe multiple all-defensive team selections that were undeserved. The voters gave him a MVP that belongs to Chris Paul. The media has actually been generous. I rate Kobe as a top-10 player, that doesn't mean I'm disrespecting him...that means I find others better.
@@michaelmaccrazy says alot about your handle
@@michaelmaccrazy nah, u just mad cuz the fact from player who played again Kobe, he know Kobe is 1b goat, and durrant is prob the 1b scorer of all time, he beat bron Twice, u cant say that unfair with superteam gsw, what about bron in Miami beat okc? Hello stop hiding the fact, LOL, tmac,kyrie,dwade,Melo,Durant,Shaq,matbarnes, a lot of legend would say Kobe as 1b goat because he know that, and for bron,the way he said himself as goat, literally just disrespect everybody, Michael Jordan never claim himself like that, Mike just say:" its disrespect for saying IM the goat, cuz there is a lot of player before me, thats a dump question".
@@fearless5116 You type like a kid with tourette's lol and you speak like a fan. He's not as good as MJ's level at all. MJ was actually efficient and he didn't need to piggy-back off anyone for rings. Kobe is NOWHERE near Jordan's level. They play alike, but Jordan was better than him at almost everything. Learn the difference. Only Kobe's dumbass fans like you trying to put him where Jordan/Kareem/Lebron is at.
Win a playoff series without Shaq/Gasol.....and shot a decent percentage and I would put him top-5.
@@michaelmaccrazy hahahaha, bro ur Kobe hater didnt u? 😂, Man u just say Kobe cant win without Shaq or Pau? What about dwade,Bosh,rayallen,kyrie,klove, and rn he got ad 😂😂😂😂, lol stop it, MJ have pippen, Rodman, Kerr, but bron is probably the man who got more help don't be so dump man 😂😂, u just didnt want to hear that the guy on vid who play again Kobe and bron, and say Kobe is 1b goat? Why u mad bro? 😂😂, Hahah how old r u
Glad to see Kobe get that respect
Amen
Nice to see Kobe get some respect. This is actually rare af on the internet and the mainstream media smh
No its not. Its just hard to not look foolish as a Kobe fan when you don't have a reasonable argument to backup you claims.
John Wick claims such as what? That Kobe is a top 5 player all time? Other than MJ, lebron, magic, and Kareem
Who’s better than Kobe all time?
But the disrespect to Kareem thou fuk them I'm good with kobe getting the respect but what about Kareem? Fuk these young bloods they know nothing of basketball.
@@duritoburito989
Kareem got all his rings with the best pg's of all time.
Every single ring.
Yes Kobe played with Shaq for 3 but he was a 1 2 punch much like Kareem n Oscar n Kareem n Magic.
But for Kobe to score all those points same franchise and be a perimeter player and go to 3str8 finals without a top 25 all time player speaks volumes!
Phil Jackson demanded alot from a 21 year old Kobe and he delivered. Leading the Lakers in assists not being the pg and being their closer at 21 22 and 23 years old was outstanding.
When legends like MJ/Kareem/Magic/Bird weren't even in the league yet! Think about that!
@@cameronnebraska6049 I don't get the point of you're comment is it to discredit Kareem or what? I just said besides Kobe getting the recognition he deserve where's Kareem's recognition right?
Professional basketball players who played against or with Kobe: Puts him on top 5 without hesitation
Media and Lebron fans: Is Kobe a top 10 player? WHO is the GOAT Mj or Lebron? Is James Harden already better than Kobe? Is Kawhi more clutch than Kobe?
Me: Excuse me wtf?
Because when someone makes hella difficult shots over you ofc you’ll have major respect for them. I wouldn’t have Kobe in my top 10 because even tho he was an amazing player, he needed so much to win chips and he isn’t as transcendent as the other players in my top 10
@@hernan2838 lol he won 2 with pau Gasol, hurt Bynum and passive Odom...please don tell me lebron had less
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H3RN4N 08-11 Lakers don’t even make the playoffs without Kobe
Lol crazy how much they changed the narrative on Kobe career so quickly & want people to forget.
I'd rather listen to the guys who actually had to guard these players, not fat out of shape youtubers
@Rafinha Latvezzi or Ryan Hollins
Kiefer Velazquez 😂😂😂
Just because they played that doesn't mean they know how to evaluate talent
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, its your choice to listen to them.
@@YoungShadTv Still better at evaluating than anybody who has never played professional basketball and actually suck at it.
KD "I literally had to guard him"
That's what we're talking about, I dont give a shit what Stephen A says, what Bill Simmons says, what Zach Lowe says, let me hear it from dudes that played the game, all the top guys between 2000-2016 have said Kobe was the boogeyman, that's who I trust, dudes that laced them up.
The Kobe disrespect when it comes to GOAT from the media is asinine.
Exactly
Couldn’t have said it any better. Those are the same media guys that gave him only 1 mvp. They hated Kobe. The players all have his back
Ikr. People say the 2000s was the Tim Duncan era. When Kobe won 5 championships that decade. When Kobe was the most popular, he was the most dominant, he was the most accomplished. And he was the most feared.
@@mokushmasmo6009 also, those spurs team never repeated. Everyone knows defending a title is much harder, let alone a 3-Peat. The Kobe hate is real
The disparity of opinion on Kobe is absolutely astonishing.
Tommy Cruz
Cause Kobe is too real and the players around him wasn’t on his level so he was labeled a “bad teammate”
Facts bruh! My theory is that folks who tend to value Stats more than anything lose a lot of context with Kobe because he played with the most dominant player in modern history in Shaq. I don’t care what all time perimeter player you prefer, if he plays with Prime Shaq he’s second option.
@@seels7256 FACTS
@@seels7256 Let's not forget Ko8e was the closer most times, due to Shaq not being a good free throw shooter!
There is no disparity amongst guys who played in the league.. The disparity lies between media vs players.
KD gave Kobe his roses while he was still here. Mamba Forever 💔🐐
*literally everyone did, like no one ever said KOBE wasn’t a goat...*
@@Mudvillereacts Noooo a lot of ppl said he wasnt a goat and said magic is better and a whole bunch of other disrespectful things
@@whyheonten saying Magic is better isn’t being disrespectful lmaooo
@Bruno Sousa yeah man the disrespect is just brutal. I grew up watching Kobe. From 05-10 and he was just fucking incredible. Living in LA and Southern California means I watched EVERY GAME. And when you watch every game LIVE then you really see Kobe, not just highlights and a stat sheet that people like to go through. Seeing Kobe hits different than any lebron game I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen ALOT live on tv cause I always liked lebron, but this disrespect saying Kobe isn’t even top ten is absolute garbage. Top five fs and second of all time for me.
@@Mudvillereacts nah man Kobe got hated on by media
Kobe really made 2 defenders run into each other lmao
My all time favorite player
Man was so cold
Same here bro he was a killer
@@makavelithadon1101 Just like how Wade was carrying lebron in 2011 finals but then lebron was too heavy to carry so he couldnt get it done lmao
@@makavelithadon1101 always gotta have some weak ass kobe hater looming fuck you
@@terrylouis1936 😂, i remember when Lebron really suck in 2011 final, i repeat so suck on nba final 2011,
Kobe is the most disrespected great player to ever play, then Kareem A. Jabbar, Kobe is not that tall, not that fast, not the most gifted physical specimen,but even if he lack of all that, he compensated with crazy hard work and skills that he acquired in the pursuit of greatness.
I agree Kobe get dissed way to often, but also I’d say Larry bird doesn’t get recognized enough, arguably the best SF ever. Unathletic, but understood the game better then anyone and was the clutchest shooter of all time. 1 of 3 players to win 3 straight MVP’s (alongside wilt and Bill Russell) top 3 all time in no order Kobe, Larry, and Michael without a doubt.
Also for reference Kareem said Bird was the best player he ever faced.
Not gifted physically? Hes 6'6'' and lean. Perfect genes for basketball. Smdh.
What?? Kobe is very very tall. He’s 6’6. He’s very fast. Have you ever watched an nba game? He is very gifted physically. He was very athletic, very strong, very fast. What are you talking about??
people just don't like people who is not that gifted they like people who is so gifted that they don't need too many skills to put up those stats numbers
Kobe is the closest thing we have ever seen to Jordan hands-down
He's better then Jordan..
But at the same time Kobe had to be more skilled than Jordan because he didn’t have Jordan’s freak athleticism. Kobe’s the hardest worker in NBA history.
Isaac B Kobe skills were higher ! Both were not winning until they made super teams!
@@jamaalhorton2343 Compared to these days Jordan never had a dayum superteam. Y'all kill me with that BS. He had Scottie Pippen and a team of players who played their part well. Horace Grant was a borderline all star then we had Rodman who is a hall of famer because of rebounding and defense as good as he was at that he was still 1-2 dimensional. 1 man can't win a dayum championship
@@RFreese44 Kobe is probably more skilled but not overall better/greater than Jordan. It took Kobe 20 years to pass Jordan in 15 plus Jordan NEVER had a dominant big man like a Shaq
How come all the players pay Kobe homage except for commentators and analysts
and lbj stans
U mean except for commentators and "analysts"
Mapogo cause they never played the game
Maybe because of that case with the white girl. That’s the only thing I can think of
@@anthonya5232 But you did ... And I bet people around basketball had nothing to do with how the game evolved. Medical care, body training, muscle memory exercice, advanced analytics.
Funny how all the players that actually played actually speak how great Kobe was. These ESPN who have never played will never know how tough and great Kobe was
Facts
Tough? Lol. He was in soft league compared to prime Jordan era. Kobe did spin moves, fadeaways and had athleticism, but he not even close to Jordan lol
Ulises Luna I don’t know what ya’ll base off of, but resumes say he shouldn’t be above Mj/Lbj/Kareem/Magic/Shaq
@@Christoff070 wow you are so ignorant it's not even funny, got blinded by hate so bad you sound like a bitch
@@Christoff070 KD a real player talking how great Kobe is and you still disregard all that? You're one of those espn and analysis fuckers that don't ball and act like they know everything
It gives me chills hearing these great players praising Kobe... They recognize greatness and all the kobe haters should too. Credit is do where credit is deserved.
Mj is goat, but Kobe made the most difficult shots I've ever seen.
MJ ain’t no goat 😂😂 he got bounced in the first round year after year
@@aalexisgabriell How did you write this with your ass?
MJ lost to good wing players in their prime... the 90s was the decade of the big men...
Amen. While bricking the most shots and running his team out of the playoffs
@@richym3899 lol yet he's been to 7 finals and won 5. 2 for 3 without Shaq. That's better numbers than any great passer I've ever heard of.
Born and raised in Sacramento California... Kobe Bryant broke my Kings hearts so many times. Sent me to school crying. I hated that man. But I can tell no lies, simply the second greatest player I ever seen. The media can push their narratives all they want, but the fans will always tell you the truth. The way the whole league, city to city celebrated this man tells you all you need to know. Prime Kobe, pre injuries absolutely zero weakness in his game. About as complete a player you will ever see
You mean shaq did
Respect. You know what the Shaq Kobe Lakers were all about. Kobe was no sidekick
Jordan and Kobe are by far the 2 best players ever. It's not even close.
R.I.P. Mamba. Your fans adored you and your opponents feared you. But EVERYONE respected you. A legend and an inspiration to millions... scratch that- BILLIONS.
🐐
Wow I respect KD way more now. I grew up watching Kobe, ALL DAY. From 9-10 to 26 man. And this dude is no joke. A lot of haters didn’t even watch Kobe play they just watched high Lights and whatever sportscenter said..but I watched him as many times as I could! The shit he did was crazy man.
Finally some respect for Kobe and Hakeem Hakeem the greatest center ever
It’s Kareem but I feel you. Hakeem was a bad man!
Ok Hakeem had more skill in my opinion but I understand if you say Kareem cause how he domnitated
Joseph King I like skills in he has way more skills than any centee
Joseph King if your talking about entire basketball career (high school, college, pro) Kareem is definitely the goat. If we’re talking about just the NBA i still have Jordan as the goat..
Hakeem is a top 5 player of all time!!
Omg I glad that Kobe finally gets respect, professional players that have guarding him know that he was right up there w mj. And social media w a lot of these Lebron pages would always say “Kobe a top10player,” or “who’s the goat between Lebrun and mj.” “Is kawhi more clutch than Kobe?” “Is harden a better scorer than Kobe?” Kobe is definitely the most underrated player of all time and these fans are just salty that Kobe was out there shitting on your team like every night. Real nba players would know that Kobe is easily top5
The Tom Twins harden forced his way into that conversation tbh kawhi hit one of the best buzzer beater game winners I’ve seen and imo no one belongs in that convo with mj.
Also Kobe is top 10 at the very least
Datboi Biggs you’re Delusional bro most players have Kobe top five well analyst having barely in the top ten I think I’ll take a players opinion over somebody who’s never played a day in their life
zoro same Most of em had Kobe 3 or 2 or 1B like KD like having Lebron James over Kobe is hella disrespectful too
@Omari nigga I had Kobe 1B before he passed so you can shut the fuck up with that bull shit
@amari8035this video was made before he died you moron
KD a smart man Kobe 🐐
kd is showin his basketball knowledge
Who missed the most shot in NBA history ?
Kobe Bryant
@@claudebishop6557 who has 9 first team all nba defense with 81 points and 5 ring??
Kobe Bean Bryant
@sharkk 88 I've probably been a Jordan fan before ur IGNORANT ass was even born and u wouldn't know basketball if it kicked u in ur dumb ass
Claude Bishop you don’t know basketball millennial
Finally Kobe gets some respect. He was the best in my eyes. 🐍
He was good but copied MJs moves too much
Scott Cinco shaq and Kobe 3 years together 3 rings and Shaq 3 finals mvp while playing with Kobe? Please name me one of the top 5 players in the world or top 10 ever who played and didn’t win a finals mvp ? Imagine Pippen winning finals mvp over Jordan? Or curry over durant? Wade over lebron? Kobe played with the best big man of all time.
@@igornovakovic6725 Wade woulda won FMVP over LeBron, but LeBrick choked in 2011.
kobe my fav player of all time and im a mj fanatic
@@Christoff070 so kobe copied 9 time FIRST team DEFENSE and 3rd all time points???
Kobe still the best player i've ever seen. Mj the best player i've ever heard of.
Tell you what, compare Jordan's rookie year numbers to Kobe's MVP year numbers and you'll get an idea of how Kobe compares to Jordan!
Jaydaytoday
I saw them both, and MJ has the edge over kobe ! But kobe came close
@@kcire-tv3wy Kobe was 18 and MJ was 22 as rookies, not really fair. Kobe barely played also since it was unheard of someone that young playing in the NBA at the time. MJ will always be the best but that's just a bad comparison. Compare them at same age, it's a lot close than you think.
Preach
@@DrakeMR2 .... You missed my entire point and twisted it into something it is not. I stated look at MJ's ROOKIE SEASON NUMBERS (age 21 - before his prime) and compare those to Kobe's MVP SEASON NUMBERS (age 29 - during his prime).
And no, it is very fair. Kobe's father played in the NBA, which gave Kobe an advantage, and he played against NBA talent, another supposed advantage. If Kobe thought he was good enough to enter into the NBA at that age and he didn't do well to begin, it is his own fault. He still played and that part of his career still has to be counted. It pains me when I see people make these comparisons and try to delete his early years, but yet will include Jordan's later years with the Wizards. Bullshit!!!
And if you want to do a comparison from the standpoint of age to age, you will still see that it is not even close! Jordan, playing in a college system that held his real level of play at bay, had better numbers than Kobe, if you want to take it there but I don't think you can do this. Kobe's numbers compared to MJ's numbers at the same age they were playing in the NBA is advantageous to MJ by a wide margin (shooting percentage tells the tale, along with a few other things). The only time Kobe's numbers began to really take off as a singular force separate from Shaq was when the rules changes took affect (ironic that Lebron's, and many others, numbers jumped as well). Before then, he had less to deal with from the opposition because of Shaq so he could afford to increase his numbers, but still inefficiently.
Jordan, on the other hand, was doing well from the outstart, even when he had to deal with becoming the leader of the team and drawing all of the attention. He was having to deal with double and triple teams his entire career as a Bull, playing defense and putting up insane shot attempts, bailouts shots and the like, all while maintaining a crazy high shooting percentage.
The problem with a lot of people's analysis is they solely look at the numbers and not look at the dynamics properly. I saw them both play their entire career, and saw them play live as well (I saw MJ play live for the first time in early 1987 in Philadelphia. I was in already in high school at that time!). Sorry to say, Mike is a few levels above Kobe.
Finally Kobe gets that respect. Respect it folks, Kobe was different. #mamba#mentality
Players respect Kobe it's the media that don't
@Samuel Díez you don't know basketball
@Samuel Díez just name 10 players with a better resume and I'll shut up
Kobe is barely top ten
@@lifewithgthemac161 you say that as if its thats bad
Kobe my all-time favorite I'm 56 seen them all the mamba and Iverson is real
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Old ass I’m surprised u ain’t say bob petit or kareem
Blessings brother
I’m surprised the nigga didn’t say Bob Cousy
Tnk u!
Love how Kd always showed love to Kobe. RIP Kobe & Gigi❤️❤️❤️
Kobe is my goat. For you mjs the greatest but in terms of skill kobe is # 1.
k, but ill take actual NBA players opinion than yours... also, condolences.
Actual nba players knows that kobe was more skilled than mj. I understand why people call mj the goat because he has the awards, stats and the rings but if you you just look at the game kobe is the most skilled complete basketball player of all time.
Narciso Alegado that’s more to basketball than skill dumbass
Dont talk to me. You dont nothing about basketball. Stick to stats
Narciso Alegado more to basketball than skill -_-
The Most Telling Factor about Kobe's Greatness.....
Players that Played Against Kobe and Basketball Players in General giving Kobe his Props and Know how Great he Was....
The people that usually try to Down play his Greatness are the Ones that Never played in the NBA or Played Basketball on a competitive Level....
Usually they're the ones in the Media who NEVER Played Basketball....who we call Armchair Commentators.....
So it's Good to hear Former players and existing players spitting facts to those Non playing Commentors.......
I've been watching Kobe my entire life. I've never seen the move he pulls at the five minute mark where he sends Bibby and Jackson running into each other while canning the open three. That was a disgusting cross over.
😂 Kobe had them kissing. That's a bad man!!!
@@talkditingsdem5799 🤣🤣🤣
Durant really don’t wanna hear Lebron name
I think he doesn't rate him as high cos he beat him in 2 finals
A A I think he knows what it took for him to finally beat Lebron wasn’t really fair but also he’s still in the league. Players don’t usually wanna suck off a player they will have to compete against but when they retire that’s a different story
A A like he said about Kobe loosing it didn’t matter he still was the best player bro same with LeBron he was the best player on the floor when kd beat him twice
Nah, LeBron beat him on their first match up. But the second and third ones were different, he's been on a Superteam.
@@jarenlloydramos751 Lebron was on a superteam in Miami. And that Cavs team was as talented as that warriors team on paper.
Hakeem gets his respect, and I'm happy.
Factz💯💯💯
Probably the best center ever
He said Kobe out there like “I try something boy I’d try something on you” lol 😂
You notice how
KD keep saying how he don’t rank players still playing cause they both got Bron in there top 5 and he still playing so is kd lmao 😂
I Have always Had Kobe as 1B and MJ 1A. just like KD said.
For real then people tryna say Lebron is better. Then Kobe like it’s not even close
@Omari he not better than Kobe sorry
@AMARI did u hear what they say on the vid lol?
Jordan even said” the only person that can beat me One on One is Kobe” . Let me tell you Jordan is the most competitor human being I seen, but he admitted, but some Broussard on ESPN said otherwise.
@AMARI it is part of the game !! You. Usually get defended by one player right. It is probably one of the most important part of someone game, so you understand why they asked the GOAT of all time about 1 on 1,? Yes, no?.
Here that includes ( shooting, dribbling, footwork) , but does not include dribbling, because it is the only skills one must learn since it is a team sport .
I’m glad they giving Kobe his respect, he is definitely 1b!!!
Most missed fgs in history
AVERY TATE just shows he was never afraid to shoot.
Nah. He’s 5th or 6th. Kareem resume is untouchable by anyone not named Michael jordan
For me he’s #1 all time. Always has been, and probably always will be.
AVERY TATE your mom has the most bjs in history...
Amazing upload, i always love to hear the former players over the media paid clowns talking about Lebron, I cant count how many players just say Kobe is top 3 Ever.
Lol do you realize that these “former players” grew up watching Kobe and were Kobe fans so obviously their going to be biased, Kobe was like their idol growing up. They ain’t grow up watching/Idolizing MJ or Lebron.
@@jruewatson1778 Im not saying players that are younger than kobe like Kyle Kuzma or Jrue Holiday or something, im talking about people that are older or the same age that played agaisnt him like, Kenyon martin, matt barnes, Stephen Jackson, AI, TMAC who all rave about how good kobe is because they had to play him dozens of times, not because the grew up fans of him because that would be impossible because they are in the same agegroup
@@GHMuss thank you! I hope to make another 2 or 3 videos with other players who share the same view because there are so many.
Kobe is overrated, you just hate the truth.
@@RahulPresentsKobe Looking forward to it!!! When you think you'll have it ?
4:55 Kobe really out here embarrassing a double team.
He finessed them
Have always said Kobe is constantly being disrespected by the media 💪🏾💪🏾 mamba is the best
Kobe: Finally! I heard some around here!
Facts. We the fans can say anything we want about kobe but he the nba peers say he was on another level I believe them more then my eyes because they played against him every night. Kobe the🐐
What these players say can't always be taken as law. Contractual obligations compel them to say certain things at certain times i.e. Nike guys are obligated to promote other nike guys and sneaker sales has a lot to do with who is promoted & who is not. What I mean is Kareem and Magic don't sell sneakers, Kobe do - Nike does everything possible to advertise, promote & keep Kobe's name relevant
@@Sole-Survivor that's some bs. Most of these guys never even liked Kobe as a person. Kobe had like 2 friends in the nba unlike these days when all the players are friends. They aren't contractually obligated to say anything nice about Kobe. Kobe constantly gets disrespected by the media because he doesn't have friends in the media. If it had anything to do with Nike, they would have ppl promoting Kobe in the media.
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Easily. He’s 100% correct. Finally some sense in these foolish days...
Imagine Kobe having wade and bosh on his team Anthony Davis too
kobe had shaq, malone and gary payton ang he almost got swept by a team with no superstar lmao.
HP MTL bron can learn ur history Malone was old and hurt, same with GP they all old. Bosh dwade AD Kyrie were all in their prime and young still 3-6.
@@andylee6147 If you're objective he really lost 3 finals (2011, 2014 and 2017) In 2007 and 2015, he played against a team with 3 hall of famers while he was the only superstar, in 2018 he played against 4 hall of famers and his best teammate was a bordeline all star (Kevin Love). Nobody in the history of the game could have won the champ during those years
@@andylee6147 When people discuss LeBron's finals record of 3-6, you must ask yourself, how many times did vegas have his teams favored once the finals began .. The answer is twice .. he has lost as a favorite, and won two as a underdog .. FACTS
They wouldn’t even give Kobe Chris Paul cuz they knew it would take him over the top
I love this content listen to how they talk about him this is greatness
That's what I'm talkin' bout! Kobe is at least #2 all-time on my list. There was a list put out recently that had Kobe at #14 all-time! Blasphemous!
Thank you for recognizing Kobe's ultimate greatness.
This is a sad day Rahul! RIP to both Kobe and his daughter GiGi....so tragic!!
One thing that I've never heard anyone talk about with MJ and Kobe is the difficulty of the shots/ lay ups that they took. They were the type to try different things just to see if they could do it. Their confidence, mentality, competitiveness, and will was stronger then anyone's. That's why I feel had they kept it more fundamentally sound then their efficiency numbers would be wayyyy higher. But the game seemed to easy for them so they tested themselves with ridiculous shots!
Note that some of the previous generations' players like Wilt, Russell, Baylor, and West, are left out of these lists because some players and fans think they're in a separate category entirely. The argument is that the league was so different then, without shot clocks, certain stats being recorded, completely different rules for dribbling and scoring (no 3-point line or palming allowed), and so on, so it's hard to compare those players on a skill level. A lot of good ball handlers today are blatantly carrying the ball every possession so you can't assume Jerry West wouldn't be just as good or better than today's guards. Wilt was the Shaq of his time, and probably better than Shaq. Who's your top 5 or 10 if we start off at 1980?
If we start from the 80s, I'd pick Larry, Jordan and Bryant for the top three - the order doesn't matter to me. They are considerably above everyone else.
Then Magic at 4th and Hareem at 5th.
I do think Wilt was by far the greatest player of all time and I think he would absolutely dominate any era.
@@martinolsen660 What makes you pick Bird over Magic?
@@RahulPresentsKobe I think Magic and Bird are very similar players with a very similar skillset - Bird just had arguably the greatest shooting skills of all time on top of it all, unlike Magic.
But hey, it's just my opinion. I completely understand if people would prefer Magic :)
I have Kareem, Kobe, Jordan, Duncan, Bird, LeBron, Shaq, then Magic.
I don't have any player from the 1960's in the top 10, but from 1970's i do have Kareem because he is a center which means 3 pointers dont apply to him anyways.
I would have Bird higher than 5, but because of longevity, defense, & fundamentals i have him under Tim Duncan respectfully.
LeBron is a close top 3-5.. but too many finals losses imo. However, if LeBron gets another 🏆 & records the ultimate triple double 35,000 points, 10,000 assists, 10,000 rebounds ill put him there .
I agree with Larry over Magic but i also have LeBron over Magic as well.. Magic Johnson is a legendary player & arguably the best Point Guard in nba history, however defensivley Magic isn't as good as any of the players in my top 5-6. Also Magic isn't the type of player who can take over a series with his scoring or defense , although Magic is better playmaker. during their time the Lakers was arguably the most stacked team in the league..with not much competition in the Western Conference.
Magic Johnson played with Kareem , Jamal Wilkes, Norm Nixon, & James Worthy.. all +20ppg scorers & are All Stars. At the time the West was the weaker conference with weaker competition. . Lakers were so stacked that in 1981 even with Magic Johnson missing 47 games Kareem, Jamal Wilkes, & Norm Nixon still lead lakers to 3rd seed with a *54-28* record. Imo, Magic wasn't the best in his team until 1987-1991 after Kareem started to play less.. but Magic was top 3-5 in the league at the time , but imo Kareem was the best player on the Lakers 1976-1986.
The Celtics were stacked team too but Larry Bird played 70-80 games a season from 1981-1988. during that time Bird won 3 straight mvps (84, 85, 86) , went to 4 straight finals (84, 85, 86, 87) , & had 2 straight 50/40/90 seasons (87 & 88) .. Larry Legend in 1989 had injury & played only 6 games that season.. even with teammates like Robert Parish, Kevin Mchale, & Danny Ainge the Celtics dropped to 8th seed with a *42-40* record without Bird in 1989. Celtics in 1988 were *57-25* with Bird playing 70-80 games a season . .also during this time the East had better teams it was pretty stacked.. imo from 1984-1988 Larry Bird was the best player in the league. . also you can argue that Magic was never the best player in the league.
- 76ers with Charles Barkley, Moses Malone & Julius Erving.
- Pistons with Isiah Thomas, Adrian Dantley, Dumars, & Rodman
- Bucks with Sidney Moncrief & Marques Johnson
- Atlanta Hawks with Dominque Wilkins & Doc Rivers
- Bulls with young Michael Jordan
@@onepiece6529 You got Duncan over Bird and Magic? Would you draft in that order?
Kobe the Goat ..period 💯💯
My Top 5 All-Time:
MJ
Kobe
Wilt Chamberlain
Hakeem
Magic
quit basketball
@@cultok No you, that's a SOLID Top 5
@@Matt.Savage no it’s horrible
Found the Lebron fanboy
@@Matt.Savage Kobe, Wilt, and Hakeem aren’t top 5, they’re top 10 but not top 5
I remember watching the game vs Portland love when he hit those two clutch shots vs Ruben Patterson. Still to this day It’s amazing. His fade-away is something out of this world.
Im crying right now... thanks for praising my kobe bryant... i love kobe style of basketball... thats why my sons name is kobe too...
Damn. You love Kobe more than yourself huh. 😆😆
Wow bro, I just named my son kobe, hell yeah! Imagine if we named our kids lebron...
Kids at school: "so wheres ur superteam?, u gonna travel today?, we didnt even punch u and ur alrdy flopping/crying to the principal"
Vang Xiong lmao
I'm so appeased to FINALLY see videos and REAL NBA players that has played against or alongside of Kobe give him his props/credit/respect that he deserve...its long overdue, and I hope to see many many more videos like this respecting the Mamba and telling it like it is!!!
Kobe really getting the respect man by actual NBA players but the media doesn’t give him that respect smfh they literally just look at stats
sniperaaron let’s look at the stats everyone puts Shaq and Kobe into the top 10 and top 5 Shaq and Kobe played together Shaq 3 finals mvp to Kobe 0 that’s the stats. Now imagine Wade won 2 and lebron 0 or imagine pippen won 3 and Jordan 0 that now tell me how was he the best? Everyone loves and respects Kobe but Shaq was the better player when they played together but Kobe had a better career.
Media dont know the game like the ones who actually played
Igor Novakovic Kobe was close to shaq from 01. And in his prime he was better than him. He didn’t need a superstar like shaq to win
aravind sridharan great English bro
They won 3 rings together who has 3 finals MVP? Shaq or Kobe? Exactly Shaq does in the finals he was better all 3 times now go to sleep young blood
Thank you for giving my dude his place ! Mamba
Kobe took what MJ did to another level in terms of their abilities. Jordan had an advantage by being the best athlete in the league the whole time he was in the league. Kobe didn’t have that goat athleticism and relied more on footwork, ball handling and tough shot making, all taken to a different level than MJ.
He took it to his level not to a higher level. If you watch enough jordan highlights you realize that there isn’t a move that Kobe could do that jordan hasn’t done already. Peace
@@Mjumbojetpresdent You MJ fans think MJ is the best shit since sliced bread. Kobe was def better in a lot of ways.
@@mokushmasmo6009 Ha! Dude, Kobe is awesome. But what do you want me to say? I watch tons of MJ and I watch tons of Kobe. And MJ has seemingly done everything that Kobe has ever done but better. Always with better hops. Always with better body control. Always crisper. MJ just had a near perfect basketball body. Kobe was a 90 percent MJ. I do like Kobe's 3 game more though but yeah. Who cares man. To me it's too clear. I can't not see the differences. Maybe I see things that aren't there. I am a crazy. But hey to each their own. Peace.
@@Mjumbojetpresdentyou see that dunk Kobe did against the Nuggets in 2003? MJ never did shit like that. You see how Kobe outscored a whole fucking team by himself through 3 quarters against the Mavericks? MJ never did that or led a team without another top 75 player to the Finals multiple times (2008-2010 Lakers). Peace
@@Serching4JerryGarcia Dude, Kobe is awesome, as I said. My second favorite player ever. But he was not as efficient as Jordan because he wasn't as athletic. His hands were smaller and his jump is a FOOT less. And this shows in their overall efficiency. 5 Percent difference in SG shooting % is a significant separation. When Jordan was hogging the ball on bad teams, he shot over 50 percent. Kobe has never shot 47 percent in his career and had some years where he shot 43 percent. Take for example plays like where Kobe triple pump faked three point shots with wide open teammates. Such decision making made him less efficient. Jordan has a better body overall and it shows in his game. But yes, I shouldn't have said there isn't a move Kobe has done that Jordan hasn't. That was hyperbole. But I do think Jordan could have easily done that behind the back slam if the scenario had arisen.
iloveit when kd talks about the 81point game imagine watching that game live..
chris sabaupan I went to bed that night. I hate myself for that
@@tenzinwangjor5079 Daamn bruh that was 2006. I was 3 years old when Kobe dropped 81. Thats crazy.....
Damn I remember watching it live Kobe had 18 points going into halftime shit was insane
KOBE JORDAN IVERSON...GET THE REST THEY JUST MAKE BASKETS
and some nobodys are saying Kobe is not top 5 top 10 and Stoff Like that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol idiots
@Future UFC Tapper mj said kobes better than lebron .is he unrealistic too? Lol get over it
Future UFC Tapper you hurt young fella?
@Future UFC Tapper thats ypur opinion. If mj had a bias towards kobe you would have never asked mj whose better between the two. Wade is lebron bestfriend and he Said kobes better
@@Realfirenewdesire1122 Kobe isn't top 5 lol nobody hurt it's just facts. Players are as bias as anyone.
People gotta remember KD has said when he talks about his top all time players he doesn’t like to put LeBron/current players cause their careers aren’t done yet so he leaves em out
Dude, that's code for: "you ain't even as good as me..."
d_won1 yea but at this point it’s clear lebron is better than kobe, only thing kobe has on lebron he never had to switch up teams which he almost did in 09, but when you start your career with shaq who needs other teams
A B he could of left but he didn’t cuz he’s loyal to the lakers franchise who gambled on him
@@hoodfellah anybody that would play with a prime shaq would have to play second fiddle...even bronny...stat wise bronny would be better than jesus by the time hes done...but as a winner...he folds too much...say what u want but to loose more than u win in the finals is a tragedy...and lets not act like shaq came to the lakers with a chip...he didnt get one until he played with kobe
morgan williams the only finals i put on lebron is 2011, cus he fucked up that finals, 2015 he played better than everybody on both teams but he didnt have enough help, almost every finals with cavs have been the same way, look how they could’ve won that first game when jr fumble and ran back, and for him to win he has to play every minute with less help, and you can say what you want but just making it to the finals back to back for 8 year straight thats an accomplishment itself
bro wtf 2:12 this has to be the toughest shot of all time 🤯🤯 #RipBean
Yeah wtf even was that? 😂
@@yaomitch “ KOBE! “
Kobe was in the matrix. That was insane.
This video aged very well, even down to the music in the background
Shaq and Kobe in they prime forget about it smh 😔😢
I've never understood the disrespect to Kobe. Almost every analyst/commentator I've ever heard goes straight from MJ to Bron in the GOAT debate. I'm like "Um, hello! Y'all do realize Kobe Bryant existed, right??" I look at it like this: if you don't put Kobe in the GOAT conversation (I'm not saying HAVE HIM AS THE GOAT, I'm saying have him in the conversation), you either believe one of two things:
1. Mike isn't the GOAT (which is fine, lots of people don't think he is)
2. Kobe isn't the closest thing to MJ that we've ever seen.
I think of peak MJ as more of a slasher like DWade than a player like Kobe.
Not a lot of metrics really show that Kobe is on GOAT level, when you really look at all the numbers and success Kobe had compared to other greats Kobe end up being around 7-10, that’s not really GOAT level, also Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan in terms of play style not greatness
It's always people who haven't played organized basketball that say Kobe isn't top 5 or top 3, but then when you look at NBA players, people who actually know what they're talking about, they always say Kobe is top 3, and in most cases, like with KD, they say he's on the same level as MJ, but then you see the NBA media and ignorant people who don't hoop like that disrespecting Kobe smh
N finally some positivity towards Kobe ... it’s beautiful to hear guys ... thank u
"I literally had to gaurd this man". Why I even waste so much time watching First Take or Undisputed. This is a professional opinion.
“I’d try it on you boy”
“I’d try something and not even care”
“I’d try something on you” 😂 is the best description of Kobe’s game!!!
Kobe, the most disrespected player ever... But his peers (the players) know what's up).
IsiavweO he’s not, he should only be ranked like top 8-top 10
No matter how you look at It, his resumes worse than the likes of LeBron/Kareem/Magic/Shaq/Wilt/Bird/Duncan/Bill Russell
Look at Bron for example, Not a Lbj fan but he has better stats In all 5 major statistical categories (ppg/rpg/asp/spg/bpg, and has 3 more mvps, 1 more finals mvp, and yeah he has 2 less titles, but put 21-23 old LeBron with prime Shaq and tell me they don’t win at least 5... all in less seasons not to mention, I could say the same about the others I listed but that’d take way to long, I’m not a Kobe hater but the facts are out there, great player tho!!
@@skdog3_385 I'm personally taking Kobe over everyone not named Jordan (I believe he's a better ALL Round player than MJ but can't get past the counting numbers/rings) ...
But other than MJ, if you take rings, stats, peak powers, records, defense, clutch gene and fear factor into account, there's not one player you could DEFINITELY put above Kobe.
Even if I give you LeBron (I'm taking Kobe), name me 3 other players DEFINITELY better. And for those who played ball at competitive level (I played varsity), we know that stats don't tell the whole story.
Kobe stamped his will on a game like no one this side of Jordan. He never chased stats, took end of clock shots after his teammates bogged down earlier in the clock, guarded the best player on the other team and was an expert at stopping the bleeding.
He undersood time and score perfectly and knew when to say OK, gimme the damn ball. No player of his era or later puts him worse than Top 5. That says it all.
His peers, the goats, the legends, the coach's, the gms. Its only the haters and media. By haters I mean lebron lovers. Anyone else has said he was the best. Even people like shaq, mj, and phil jackson. The whole league knew he was the best.
Kobe wasn’t the best player on his on team now how the fuck he gone be better then these other players who never had that problem an they all played wit greats Kobe can ball but he ain’t no top 3-5 player in this league maybe play ground ball the he can be #1 or 2 or tha best 1a and 1b but in the NBA naw bruh he was only the best in the league maybe 2-4years out his 20 year career soooo nope don’t believe the hype he’s alright but he’s not real
King John Lmfaoo stupid ass Bronsexual Kobe > LeBum cry about it
4:56 holy shit. I’m big love fan. Saw almost every footage. Never seen that lol those 2 kings hahah
Kobe is the greatest skilled player the league ever saw.. jordan 1, but kobe is definitely number 2.. anyone trys to put that 3-6 lebron there has problems
I don’t want Lebron to win a chip for the Lakers. Really hope Clips beat them so Kobe’s legacy is preserved and doesnt get overshadowed by Lebron.
@@plumeria66 me too man
plumeria66 Kobe’s legacy will never get overshadowed in LA. trust me
Lebron is the greatest sorry
@@kingclampz6081 greatest at losing finals
Jordan 1A 🐐 Kobe 1B 🐐 . assassin's of the game!
simply put yes!!
BULLSHIT
LeBron use to body kobe
@@tonyclark1011 jj Barrera and jason Terry torched lbj in the finals which would be one of 6 losses...just so you know
@@tonyclark1011 lebron cant even move patrick beverly🤦♂️
FINALLY SOME KOBE BRYANT RESPECT!!! 🐐🐐🐐
I come back to this video all the time because these 3 gave my boy his flowers while he was here 💯 RIP MAMBA & GIGI
I love KD so much!!this dude is so real and respect the legends he admire or play against
That's right respect to the black mamba
Kobe Top 5 for SURE especially skillwise
1.MJ
2.LBJ
3.Kareem
4.Kobe
5.TD
Id put Duncan and Bird above Shaq and Lebron. They get hella disrespected because they aint as flashy
He ain't 3peat. He only one win Shaq and Kobe split or Kobe had court issues
Duncan especially gets SOOOOOO forgotten. I was never a spurs fan, but that didn't mean I didn't respect how crazy good he was. I always put him higher on my personal All Time list than like 99% of people.
Realistically u cant put shaq above hakeem, bcuz hakeem killed him... same reason u cannot put lebron above kd.... kd owns lebron every match up.
U cant count how well lebron plays against non elite players... lebron can average 50... but kd dagger 3 in lebron's face everytime.
Think about it like this, jordan would never be goat, if he got handled everytime by his rivals drexler, domonique... kobe wouldn't even be top 5 forget 2nd... if kobe even let tmac out play him...
Time and time again, lebron has gotten owned by kd... and hes even now getting owned by kawhi...u cannot be top of any list if u continue to get outplay... superstar vs superstar u better step up.
Us players always pick Kobe and Mike
Facts bro!
Damn bro, I wish I could give this video more than one like! Wow.Respect.
MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Wilt. Idc who's next really.
Kobe finally getting his respect 💯
Pay attention to how much of these NBA players who played in Kobe’s dominate era say that he is one of the best ever if not the best ever, no top 5 they say top 3 if not 1. There needs to be an edit of all these players saying it. The most skilled player of all time which means he is the best basketball player ever, maybe not the best overall career but nobody has technically been better with the basketball.
At the least 16yrs of Greatness, Unstoppable!!
You no what I use to hate Kobe Bryant growing up and it’s funny how I miss watching the man play he was a problem like time Brady didn’t like him but you got to respect they game they got the job done
That’s crazy I was kind of the same way. I was a Lakers Fan but didn’t like Kobe, I felt he shot to much. Now though I miss him and his killer instinct. I think this is because we see LeBron and he should really been dominating the game but he don’t. Kobe was just different.
Dont compare Kobe to Brady. Brady has cheated his whole career. Kobe earned them rings.
Man it hurts knowing my guy passed away 😞. #RIPKobe
Kobe the most skilled basketball player ever. Mj legacy better/ better athlete. But he not more skilled.
I like Kobe too but I disagree and it's really not a debate. Jordan was just a little better at every thing and more efficient. I'd say Kobe was a better ball handler towards the end of their careers. I guess maybe more range then Jordan but shot like the exact same from 3. (Can u imagine how good of a 3 point shooter MJ would have been if he came into the league now) Jordan had a little better footwork and more moves. All those moves we saw from Kobe came from Jordan. Jordan just was more fluid and got more separation. It's like Coke vs Diet Coke lol.
Mj changed the paradigm of the nba. He proved that it was possible to win rings without a dominant big man. He is 6/6 in the finals. He was a better defender then Kobe. Better hands and lived at the rim arguably the greatest athlete of all time. Therefor his fg% was better. He will for ever be the goat.
But pound for pound Kobe is the most skilled and talented basketball player of all time. His foot work alone is arguably the best of all time, maybe only hakeem in that league.
@@abuwadie3 100% on point
@@abuwadie3 Kobe's footwork wasn't as good as Jordan's. The only legit edge Kobe might have over Mike was his 3pt range and volume of 3's he took, his percentage was about the same as Mike's though.
@@abuwadie3 I don't think you understand ALL the footwork u see from Kobe is identical to Jordan. Jordan took it from Hakeem and those guys and brought it to the perimeter. I'm not sure if u just watch highlights of Jordan as ESPN does a horrible job of showing his good stuff but no way Kobe has better footwork. As for fg%. After 93 Jordan didn't drive as much. Kobe actually aged better. He still got his lay ups too. Jordan just was better at creating space to get open and took smarter shots. No way he is more skilled imo. But definitely more skilled then pretty much everyone else including Lebron. Lebron basically plays for stats on team's that are built .. it's actually kinda pathetic lol..
KD thought that man was gone put him in his top 5 😂
For real thats crazy, they left him to his face..
I would have walked regardless if they were right or not 😂
Samual Calnan KD would be top 5 lowkey if he didn’t go to GSW. Seriously had the whole skill set to be the goat. No man was 7 ft like that. Giannis is close but he still ain’t built like KD.
Slithery snake is very good, Giannis is a tank.
I never missed 1 Kobe game unless I had a game growing up. If you watched the game you knew it was NEVER over. Idc if they were down 25 with 6 minutes to go. You watch Kobe until the buzzer. I didn’t see MJ live but I cannot imagine anyone better. Not sure if it’s because MJ was first but watching Kobe there is nothing to criticize because not passing and I’m sure Jordan was the same way.
"It's kill everybody all the time" "it's the greatest player I've ever seen in my life" "He was cookin' them people"
Big praise coming from KD! He knows Kobe is the goat
hahahahaaha amazing joke, he don’t care about Kobe he just saying it cause he hates Lebron
Wicked Crew not true lebron fan kd always liked Kobe
Wicked Crew
Him & LeBron have a song out together, he don’t hate LeBron stfu
Prime KD would beat Kobe and MJ... probably anyone... remember KD a 7'0" Sniper w/ Range, Handles, Postups, and Bunnies... just saying.
@@aalexisgabriell probably because LeBron started the Superteam argument which everyone gives him an excuse for.
Hearing greatness(kd) talk about kobe adds so much more to it. Kd be right there with them
Facts🐐💯
Kobe is one of the greatest of all time. If you know you know, nevermind what the media say
#1 JORDAN
#2 Bryant
#3 D.Rose (if never get injured)
#4 Durant
#5 Magic
Jordan and kobe better than
Lebron james facts..........
Actually that's your opinion. Facts say lebron.
@@dontajones7379 its only your opinion too
@@reylagrosa1718 lebron having more points, assist, better fg % better from 3 more rebounds, this isn't a opinion it's facts!!!
@@dontajones7379 compared kay jordan?e double check mo muna bro
Facts
It's so refreshing to finally hear from some people with REAL basketball knowledge, putting respect on Kobe Bryant's Name!! Most of the Media KNOWS deep down inside Kobe is MUCH better than LeBron! 80% of All players say Kobe was better than LBJ! They're saying that for a reason!
Ricky Queen who’s the people with knowledge you talking bout ? Two scrubs and one labron hater
@Omari so by your Steve nash is better than Hakeem,Shaq,Kobe because he got one more mvp and no Kobe is better than lebron lebron is not even better than Hakeem
@AMARI bruh, stop being ignorant. Go look at kobe's numbers through the playoffs leading up to the finals. Shit, I think 01-02 he was putting up like 29ppg against the west. That's superstar level of points. Get out of here.
@AMARI nah fam, I'll credit lebron with longevity, health, and passing. That's it.
@AMARI Lebron is a physical anomaly. Literally spent the first half of his career just powering his way to the rim. Therefore giving him higher percentage shots and efficiency. Yet Kobe still worked him in 1v1 situations
That last Kobe shot I remember that game then after he hit a nasty ass game winner...people disrespect this guy so much, it got to the point I dont even care no more lol. All know is the man is def top 5, and if it wasn't for the injuries he had to go through he would be regarded best ever. I watched kobe played in his prime, especially in the years 05-08 everyone in nba knew who was top dog, yet u got some clowns analyst today that would claim he was never best in the league
Instrumental with the commentary gives me chills