Great Videos Always ,My Current IEM rig I modeled after your Previous Build Videos Using HA you guess it an X-32 Racklol.... OK My questions is I play in Multiple bands but on my other one not all members have IEM or care to use them .... this particular compact model build as a Mixer would a Midas M32-c do the trick as well seeing as it's similar footprint as the presonus you're using here
Great build! Can you please elaborate why not the WIFI system from audiofusion but the Sennheiser, is it not that reliable or maybe too much latency???
Wait.. If your mixes are in mono as wired in that shot... why didn't you just use three transmitters and put the packs in focus mode left and right? Use the half rack size combiner and you have an entire rack space free
I built essentialy the same setup a few years ago for my band. Using a soundcraft mixer and 2 G4s with two mono mixes for four people and having a drummer on a cable with a behringer headphone preapm (i cant remember the model) to save some money. We also have Orange Tiny Terrors, a sans amp pedal and mooer radar cab simulators built into the back of our 6u rack. We only play local clubs and an occasional festival so the rig is overkill for what we do but we had a lot of fun building it.
I've been coming back to this video a lot recently as my band is also kind of in the same boat. We have a our full larger rig which includes our wireless mics and DI Patch Bay that we can split out to venues but we also wanted something more compact to bring to venues that actually provide us the vocal mics/instrument mics/DI boxes where we still need to split to IEMs and still be able to record the set via the Presonus rack mixer. I know you mentioned in previous videos that you don't need drum mics to split to your IEMs but I imagine it wouldn't be a bad thing to split off at least Kick/Snare and Hi-Hat maybe? Thanks again for the detailed walkthrough!
Probably posted way too long ago for anybody to see this or for you to see this. But I can't really imagine being able to play a gig without hearing the drums in my ears. Something I've seen growing in popularity with my drumming friends is them using a Yamaha ead-10 for their in-ears. Is this something you would ever entertain the idea of doing? Having at least the kick in my ears is pretty much vital for my playing and on past IEM builds I see that you will either use just a trash can mic or no mics at all to save on space. With the EAD 10 all you need is two cables going from the module to the mixer and you wouldn't even have to send this to front of house.
@@tomasslavetinsky6554 Dope! I prefer stereo mixes, for the group that I do sound for everyone has a mono mix just because it's easier and the qcs they have me working with is horrible, at the other Studio that I'm working at we just got a Midas M32, if it wasn't for the sheer size of it, I would fully be using this to run monitors and front of house
You could do stereo IEM by going with a Behringer X32 Rack (or another rack console that has enough I/O and busses to support it). (EDIT - I just realized that you used a X32 Rack on the original build). Of course that would add another 1U in rack space unless you could get really creative with the back of the rack. Perhaps the combiner would fit behind the IEM transmitters for example. Otherwise it seems like a waste to buy 5 IEM sets only to use mono. Of course this will give you built in capacity if a transmitter or two failed on the road. Also, while I'm sure you did your homework on the allowable wireless frequencies in Europe, it probably would have been good to mention that this needs to be researched and addressed prior to purchasing equipment because the allowable frequencies may be different depending on what country you are in.
JUST got back from a 20 day tour in Europe with our IEM rig, similar but with an X32 and a hand wired split. Worked flawlessly, except for flying. Even with a custom foamed pelican case the TSA unscrewed parts, ripped off rack handles and beat the living shit out of it on both the way out and the way back. It's seriously a life changing tool, but be prepared for total fuckery once you hand it off to the airline.
Watching this after the tour and his recent video discussing how the airline got their gear stuck in the states is so weird. So much respect for Fluff and the band!
YO, I think this is the move, but how to the drum mics come into play? For example, in this type of setup could you have the sound guy mic the drums and just take an input from that into the mixer? Or would we need our own snake and mics??? please help BIG FAN!!!
@@andrewdecord182Judging by the diagram posted, I can’t say for sure, but it seems like exactly what you described may be what they are doing. Have FOH mic the drums directly (whether they supply the mics or the band), send the band a single AUX send of only drums, which goes into the splitter, which then goes into all of their IEM mixes. Would love to hear confirmation on that though. Regardless, it sounds like that would be a reasonable solution.
@@rondorthecruel124 They said in another video that they never do drums in ears as the drums are always loud enough on stage to not need them directly in their IEM.
That is one nice looking IEM rig! From what I see you could have run two G4 wireless in mono focus mode for 4 body packs, drummer could cable to the phones out of the mixer for IEM and then only used one of the 4 antenna splitters which is a half space. That would have saved 2U of space on the total build and close to $4K in gear. Those flush XLR's are sweet though.
Indeed... my band uses just one stereo mix for everyone, except the drummer, who gets a phones-output direct mix for him. Saves a lot a space. You have to make compromises, of course... but it's worth the cost!
@@ilpatongi both... we use a MR18, wich has 6 aux outputs... so you can only have 3 different mixes for stereo monitors. Having said that, with only one wireless transmitter, everyone will have the same mix, except the drummer, of course... he has his own mixes, as his wired and close to the IEM rack.
@@aldo.a.fierro Yes this was my exact concern, we are a 5 person band and we usually run wired IEMs but with 5 separate mixes. With the G4 Twin you can't have two mixes per transmitter but only one, so I guess I'm up for buying 5 individual G4s then...
@@ilpatongi That sounds great, but the cost, overkill! We use Phenyx pro wireless units. They're great for medium or small venues, and they're very budget-friendly. We are a 4 piece band, the drummer gets one direct stereo mix for him, and then with two wireless transmitters we can have two stereo mixes for the rest... usually is one for the bass player and the other one for the two guitars, as we pan the guitars 80-20, it's easier to hear yourself.
Hey, I know this video is old, but I was wondering why you switched from the x32 rack to the presonus, aside from being compact. I'm in the market and was just wondering about the pros and cons of each.
Thanks for the video! I understand everything but the drummer's inputs. How is this handled? Where are you all getting kick, snare and/or OH sounds from? Maybe someone can help me with this, thanks!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Fluff mentioned that the drums are so loud on stage that they don't need IEM's to hear them. Basically the drummer only needs to hear the clicktrack and the rest of the band.
@@Thomogon while that may be true, as a drummer, when you put on your in ears and start to get the rest of the mix you going and everything, no matter how loud the drums are, it can be hard to play without hearing at least a little bit of kick or even so much as a trash can mic.
The big blue XLR cables coming from the main L/R of the PreSonus 16R, I'm assuming those are the L/R channels of your tracks being sent from inputs 15/16 of your interface and then passed to the patch bay to be sent to FOH with a snake?
I could be wrong but I’m getting confused by the “tracks” portion. Looks like main out L and R is going to one input and one output which seems wrong… 😂 cause I see the red designation for output in your list of input but then the tracks yellow portion flow seems to confuse me
I'm gonna guess the maroon (dark red) lines (helix & vox) should only take up 6 inputs, not 7, (but thats just a guess) leaving ch7&8 for the stereo tracks.
Oh I miss the big shockmount rack cases and big truck fulla gear… but I do feel the sound quality and repeat ability are far greater than they used to be.
@@charlesrocks cloth frisbee, they throw em and leave em so you can pick em up and sell em again, wait you bought 300 and sold 437 how’s that work??? 🤣
Excelent video! I am currently in the process of building a carry-on playback + monitoring rig for an artist I work with and having a hard time fitting the racked Sennheiser G4 IEMS in our pelican with the propriatary rack mouinting kit. I noticed that the racking solution you used for your G4's doesnt have the metal bit that sticks out on the propriatary Sennheiser mounting kits. Would you or anyone in the comments be able to tell me what you used to rack your IEM transmitters? I am currently using a rack shelf but it weighs a good 3.5lbs which I'd like to trim down on ideally. Thanks for the help!
Killer compact setup!! A couple of questions: - What are the yellow tracks in the diagram for? Backing tracks, I'm guessing, but I thought I'd better ask. - How about using a Yamaha EAD-10 on drums for more satisfying in-ear mixes? Small, easy to pack and set up + independent snare + kick triggering if needed (FX, sampled/automated reverb blends etc). The EAD-10 is mounted on top of the kick drum (on the drummer's side), and has a built-in stereo mic setup to capture drums pretty decently!! - There's a minor typo in the flow chart diagram. I think the last "red" input at channel 7 does not really exist and then the "2-R-Right" signal from the soundcard goes into that input instead of the same channel's output. Feels good to be back on tour, right?
Wait, why not to use rear ART outputs for your mix and front for FOH and save 1U instead of the patch bay? And putting the mixer reversed for a cleaner look without any wire sticking out of the rack?
Love this ... But so many questions ... How do you power everything? Why not use a Presonus 26C ... it's narrower? Does the S8 split only mics and are instruments split at the source (perhaps with DI?) ... And if so do you send them to the rack balanced (e.g. double DI) or unbalanced? If unbalanced is noise an issue? Any reason you didn't use the wireless in split mono?
As a vocalist I really need stereo in my in-ears. Guitars to the side. Vocals in the middle. How would you go about getting stereo signals with 5 players?
My soldered his entire studio. He spent days on ridiculous snakes and patch snakes. It made my head hurt just looking at them. He ordered like 300 gold trs tips lol
Hey fluff. Can you make a video. Basically the complete dummies guide to IEM and IEM systems. Like from the ground level. Terminology. What stuff does. Etc. Etc.
I did the same argument when I saw it first on Instagram……….apparently it’s harder to scan for RF when syncing and there’s some leak in the dual mono system
@@himeshsinha6821 It's not harder to scan. In fact it is easier because you have half as many transmitters to account for. L&R sends are not sent on two different frequencies using this method. It simply sends the same L&R feed to two IEM receivers and the "split" is done in the receiver pack. Also, if done correctly there shouldn't be any "leak". Of course if someone screws with the transmitters and gets it off a hard pan, then it will leak. We ran mono IEM for several years using this method (and older G3 IEM packs) without any issues or leaks.
@@BrianSimmons I said this same thing to Fluff but he said "Yeah I know. There is still a small amount of bleed between both sides but more importantly if we need to be able to scan individually if someone is having RF issues ya know."
Hey man, trying to put a rig just like this together. Question, why did you go with the 68c for your clicks and tracks and not just use the internal digital outputs from the studio live? Am I missing something? Appreciate your input in advance.
Maybe so, but this is just to demonstrate that the rig can be done with what you can buy in Sweetwater or any music store. I wonder if those interfaces are cross-DAW as well as cross-platform
@@TotalEvo7 DAWs, unless we're talking Luna, are usually interface agnostic. RME is known for its great stability and continual software Support (even for its FireWire interfaces) on all platforms
Have you used the 16r for IEM and track playback? I just bought a 32r, I have a Presonus 1810c for playback (that I've used for years). Wondering if I should use the 32r for playback and IEM mix. Just looking for someone who has done this already to get a gauge on how stable it is, when running for both. TIA!
My band made it so that we only have 3 mixes (2 wireless transmitters, 1 lined for drummer): 1 for the singer (gets louder vocals) 1 for the 2 guitars and 1 bass. We just get a nice "stereo mix" with less lead vocals The drummer of course gets a differnt lined mix That is very convinient :)
What is the purpose of the patch bay in the back? Can't you just send a snake from the back of the splitter straight to FOH? Isn't a snake already going to go from the patch bay to FOH or am I missing something? Just trying to understand your intention with that unit!
Given the $300 a unit difference, is it not worth using the G4 Twin models rather than having a unit per person? Additionally, forgive the ignorance please but, is there a reason NOT to have some of the G4's facing the rear of the rack, thus saving an extra 1U in height?
The problems with those scenarios are: A. It's not ideal to share one unit with 2 musicians [even though Gear Gods have no issues with this setup and run it that way], because if it fails, 2 musicians would lose their mix. B. Since the rack is compact, there's no way that the G4s can face the rear because there wouldn't be any space for cables to run, especially BNCs for the combiner. The depth of the transmitters wouldn't allow it to happen.
Hey, Fluff. Can you make a Mesa Badlander rack build video for funsies? Maybe even throw a rack modeler in the amp's effects loop and a cool overdrive pedal before the amp input? I'd watch it and then you'd have a super sweet hybrid rig I could be totally jealous about. 🤘
Hey man, are you sending the Mixes from the mix output to the G4 mono input? Or is it stereo? What makes the presonus better than a RackX32 ? :) nice video man
Hi, I’m just getting into in-ears….what about the antennas for the individual units?? How do they fit into the rear of the rig with such tight space? Thanks!
Is the splitter necessary if you have enough out puts on your mixer, and route that to an I/0 panel? or does that introduce too much latency or something?
So am I understanding right that you'd plug your cab sims and vocals into the y cable and then take one out from the patchbay and send it to the interface and the other out goes to FOH and then for your monitoring, you have the interface going into a mixer that sends to your wireless rigs. Is that basically what's going on?
Fuff, are you going mono out of the Helix into the Presonus Studio IR and then splitting that to IEMs and FOH respectively? Are you still using the 2x12 for Stage Volume? No stereo rig...really?
It seems you could have also just used 3 wireless transmitters instead of 5. Just 2 people share 1, splitting the stereo signal to 2 Mono signals. This would have given you another 1U back and you could have used a different interface, and could have added a wireless mic if you wanted.
@RiffsAndBeards, awesome vid.. Can I ask, has anything changed over the last year using this, would you still recommend the components used? Could you explain the use of the ProSonus Studio 68C, is this just to connect in the Laptop (tracks) and Click, or does it have other uses? just cant make out why its required, when the ProSonus 16R is doing all the work. Thanks !!
Hi fluff, (or anyone that knows an answer) what kind of antenna do you connect to the combiner and where would you put it? A directional paddle from the wing of the stage, or an omni directional or 1/2 wave antenna center stage?
I know this is two years old, I understand the hook up, BUT I am wondering do you hook up both the 16r and 1810c to the computer via USB at the same time? Would you run Universal Control for the IEM and then run a DAW at the same time to run backing tracks and click? I have Universal Control and Presonus Show Page, just wondering how I would get both to work together? Great video BTW.
Welll, Touring and flying with that is one thing, but how do you challenge all those different ekectric currents e.g. in Europe? And what about frequency ranges that you may not be free to use? Can be quite a bummer if you suddenly have all kinds of noises on your wireless in ear oe instrument lines, because the freqs you Uwe are occupied (e.g. by cell phones).
Love this setup, clean and simple! If I wanted to run digital effects on the vocals what would you recommend? Trying to think of a simple way to take a stage line for the mic, plug it into the splitter and route the vocals first through abeleton to add effects before sending it to the mixer/FOH.
Also I know you said one of your interfaces is backup, but is the PreSonus 16R capable of being used as a mixer/interface at the same time? I'm currently using my x32 rack in this way but I want to downsize to a smaller rack with all the same functionality
When I’m filming video for someone I am using at least 2 if not 3 cameras, more so for the angles…..but I’ve had Situations where one of them didn’t work, card died, got erased. Every single time it saved my but for having at least 2.
Why a separate case inside a Pelican case instead of a single flight case? And why were you considering splitting up what appears to be a travel worthy 12U ATA road / flight case into two 6U? Currently building an IEM rig into a shock mounted 8U case I got for a song ($40, aluminum shell, covered in tape residue, full of dead bugs and grass, came with it's own stank like grandma's attic).
Is your band using Logic Pro X to run backing tracks live? If so, can you comment on it's reliability. I've been trying to get used to Ableton Live, but would much prefer to use Logic if it's feasible. P.s. Thank you for these rig updates!
It’s possible to use Logic for multitrack playback, but it’s way more beneficial for the long run to take the time to understand Abletons interface. It’s pretty daunting at first but it’s industry standard for playback for a reason.
i use Cubase, but i am always scared of the DAW failing at me during live (fortunately still never happened). That's why a lot of professional musicians use like a USB Reader with MIDI I/O.
If you want to get the front of house portion tho think you would just have to add a splitter right? Was thinking the same thing by was trying to figure out how to get instruments/mics to FOH
@@zipthedrummer A cheap splitter snake can handle that. One or two rack spaces. I think the XR18 is three spaces, so one is left for a power conditioner.
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Great Videos Always ,My Current IEM rig I modeled after your Previous Build Videos Using HA you guess it an X-32 Racklol.... OK My questions is I play in Multiple bands but on my other one not all members have IEM or care to use them .... this particular compact model build as a Mixer would a Midas M32-c do the trick as well seeing as it's similar footprint as the presonus you're using here
Fluff, there's a whatsapp bot with your image on here. Just fyi
Great build! Can you please elaborate why not the WIFI system from audiofusion but the Sennheiser, is it not that reliable or maybe too much latency???
FYI Motu makes an interface in half rack format with avb that would interface directly with that 16R.
Would love to see a video about how you hook and run it through the computer
Wait.. If your mixes are in mono as wired in that shot... why didn't you just use three transmitters and put the packs in focus mode left and right? Use the half rack size combiner and you have an entire rack space free
And they could swap out the super expensive AC3000 for the 1/2 space AC41. Plus you cut out the work of scanning 2 additional freqs per show.
Lot more complications can happen that way
That’s exactly what I thought :)
@@DrewAspinwall-1 I wonder why they went with that expensive AC3000 anyway
Those flat-top XLR plugs are the real deal. I like this rig, a LOT. Thanks, Fluff.
160$ for unsoldered cables 😂 omg
They suck
I built essentialy the same setup a few years ago for my band. Using a soundcraft mixer and 2 G4s with two mono mixes for four people and having a drummer on a cable with a behringer headphone preapm (i cant remember the model) to save some money. We also have Orange Tiny Terrors, a sans amp pedal and mooer radar cab simulators built into the back of our 6u rack. We only play local clubs and an occasional festival so the rig is overkill for what we do but we had a lot of fun building it.
Love the look of the XLRs. Great vid, love seeing your gear walkthroughs. I always learn something
I've been coming back to this video a lot recently as my band is also kind of in the same boat. We have a our full larger rig which includes our wireless mics and DI Patch Bay that we can split out to venues but we also wanted something more compact to bring to venues that actually provide us the vocal mics/instrument mics/DI boxes where we still need to split to IEMs and still be able to record the set via the Presonus rack mixer. I know you mentioned in previous videos that you don't need drum mics to split to your IEMs but I imagine it wouldn't be a bad thing to split off at least Kick/Snare and Hi-Hat maybe? Thanks again for the detailed walkthrough!
Probably posted way too long ago for anybody to see this or for you to see this.
But I can't really imagine being able to play a gig without hearing the drums in my ears.
Something I've seen growing in popularity with my drumming friends is them using a Yamaha ead-10 for their in-ears.
Is this something you would ever entertain the idea of doing?
Having at least the kick in my ears is pretty much vital for my playing and on past IEM builds I see that you will either use just a trash can mic or no mics at all to save on space.
With the EAD 10 all you need is two cables going from the module to the mixer and you wouldn't even have to send this to front of house.
We use it same way, actually one cable is enough (for mono mixes).
@@tomasslavetinsky6554 Dope! I prefer stereo mixes, for the group that I do sound for everyone has a mono mix just because it's easier and the qcs they have me working with is horrible, at the other Studio that I'm working at we just got a Midas M32, if it wasn't for the sheer size of it, I would fully be using this to run monitors and front of house
You could do stereo IEM by going with a Behringer X32 Rack (or another rack console that has enough I/O and busses to support it). (EDIT - I just realized that you used a X32 Rack on the original build). Of course that would add another 1U in rack space unless you could get really creative with the back of the rack. Perhaps the combiner would fit behind the IEM transmitters for example. Otherwise it seems like a waste to buy 5 IEM sets only to use mono. Of course this will give you built in capacity if a transmitter or two failed on the road.
Also, while I'm sure you did your homework on the allowable wireless frequencies in Europe, it probably would have been good to mention that this needs to be researched and addressed prior to purchasing equipment because the allowable frequencies may be different depending on what country you are in.
Have you looked into if you need to adjust the frequencies used? I believe different parts of Europe have different frequency licence ranges
JUST got back from a 20 day tour in Europe with our IEM rig, similar but with an X32 and a hand wired split. Worked flawlessly, except for flying. Even with a custom foamed pelican case the TSA unscrewed parts, ripped off rack handles and beat the living shit out of it on both the way out and the way back. It's seriously a life changing tool, but be prepared for total fuckery once you hand it off to the airline.
What's the point of ripping apart an IEM rig and beating it to hell? Those things seem to be (mostly) so compact that you can't hide shit in them.
@@JosephSmith-lm4ri No idea. Standard issue TSA savagery.
Did you ever have a look at the Yamaha EAD10 in order to get a stereo „mix“ of your drums into the IEMs?
Oh that’s a great idea…
That’s what I do and I love it
Watching this after the tour and his recent video discussing how the airline got their gear stuck in the states is so weird. So much respect for Fluff and the band!
YO, I think this is the move, but how to the drum mics come into play? For example, in this type of setup could you have the sound guy mic the drums and just take an input from that into the mixer? Or would we need our own snake and mics??? please help BIG FAN!!!
@@andrewdecord182Judging by the diagram posted, I can’t say for sure, but it seems like exactly what you described may be what they are doing. Have FOH mic the drums directly (whether they supply the mics or the band), send the band a single AUX send of only drums, which goes into the splitter, which then goes into all of their IEM mixes. Would love to hear confirmation on that though. Regardless, it sounds like that would be a reasonable solution.
@@rondorthecruel124 They said in another video that they never do drums in ears as the drums are always loud enough on stage to not need them directly in their IEM.
That is one nice looking IEM rig! From what I see you could have run two G4 wireless in mono focus mode for 4 body packs, drummer could cable to the phones out of the mixer for IEM and then only used one of the 4 antenna splitters which is a half space. That would have saved 2U of space on the total build and close to $4K in gear. Those flush XLR's are sweet though.
Indeed... my band uses just one stereo mix for everyone, except the drummer, who gets a phones-output direct mix for him. Saves a lot a space. You have to make compromises, of course... but it's worth the cost!
@@aldo.a.fierro But doesn't this mean that every two of you guys need to share mix volumes tho? Or is it just a stereo to mono compromise?
@@ilpatongi both... we use a MR18, wich has 6 aux outputs... so you can only have 3 different mixes for stereo monitors. Having said that, with only one wireless transmitter, everyone will have the same mix, except the drummer, of course... he has his own mixes, as his wired and close to the IEM rack.
@@aldo.a.fierro Yes this was my exact concern, we are a 5 person band and we usually run wired IEMs but with 5 separate mixes.
With the G4 Twin you can't have two mixes per transmitter but only one, so I guess I'm up for buying 5 individual G4s then...
@@ilpatongi That sounds great, but the cost, overkill! We use Phenyx pro wireless units. They're great for medium or small venues, and they're very budget-friendly.
We are a 4 piece band, the drummer gets one direct stereo mix for him, and then with two wireless transmitters we can have two stereo mixes for the rest... usually is one for the bass player and the other one for the two guitars, as we pan the guitars 80-20, it's easier to hear yourself.
Thank you very much man!
You’re such a wealth of knowledge! Thank you so much for this!
Hey, I know this video is old, but I was wondering why you switched from the x32 rack to the presonus, aside from being compact. I'm in the market and was just wondering about the pros and cons of each.
You NAILED the production of this video. Showed how to plug everything thing in like an ASMR vid! THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!
Thanks for the video! I understand everything but the drummer's inputs. How is this handled? Where are you all getting kick, snare and/or OH sounds from? Maybe someone can help me with this, thanks!
Ha... I remember you bringing this to Tilburg and when I had to mix you guys I thought...yes nice finally a clean set...nice job with this one.
Built are iem based on your old videos and it works awesome! Thanks for being great
Great setup! Do you remember what diameter the low-profile cables were? 4mm?
Hi Fluff, very interesting! What do you do for the drums? And I guess your mixes are in mono right?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Fluff mentioned that the drums are so loud on stage that they don't need IEM's to hear them. Basically the drummer only needs to hear the clicktrack and the rest of the band.
@@Thomogon while that may be true, as a drummer, when you put on your in ears and start to get the rest of the mix you going and everything, no matter how loud the drums are, it can be hard to play without hearing at least a little bit of kick or even so much as a trash can mic.
Yes, their mixes are in mono
@@GrittyTones i agree, my drummer hits pretty hard, but with good isolation i always enjoy a bit of kick/snare in my iem mix.
@@SamueleForte yea, i hit hard (sometimes a bad thing haha) but i still love alot of kick
Great video! I’ve referenced your earlier vids for the IEMs builds I’ve done with my old bands. This is cool for future knowledge 😁
Does being in Europe affect the wireless frequencies that are available on your US-delivered Sennheiser's?
how did you power all the gear without a power conditioner and would you do it again?
Does the Focusrite 8i6 fit where the PreSonus Studio 68c goes?
Hey hi, how would you rate the Allen & Heath CQ-20B or the CQ-18T for this very same purpose :)
Badass rig! But for us average joes it's just not obtainable. I'm sticking with my mixer(s) and xfive u4 iem system. Good enough for me.
The big blue XLR cables coming from the main L/R of the PreSonus 16R, I'm assuming those are the L/R channels of your tracks being sent from inputs 15/16 of your interface and then passed to the patch bay to be sent to FOH with a snake?
I was literally looking at iem stuff yesterday
I could be wrong but I’m getting confused by the “tracks” portion. Looks like main out L and R is going to one input and one output which seems wrong… 😂 cause I see the red designation for output in your list of input but then the tracks yellow portion flow seems to confuse me
I'm gonna guess the maroon (dark red) lines (helix & vox) should only take up 6 inputs, not 7, (but thats just a guess) leaving ch7&8 for the stereo tracks.
Damn man tight round back and sandwiched on top all this innuendo is killing me fluff!!!!
Oh I miss the big shockmount rack cases and big truck fulla gear… but I do feel the sound quality and repeat ability are far greater than they used to be.
I'm sure there's still a big trailer full of gear. There's probably more room for merch though.
@@charlesrocks cloth frisbee, they throw em and leave em so you can pick em up and sell em again, wait you bought 300 and sold 437 how’s that work??? 🤣
I'm a bit lost, if the mixer goes down, how can that mini interface take over? It just has 2 inputs.
Awesome video! Cant wait for wireless audio interfaces so IEM setups are as simple as syncing instruments and headphones wirelessly to a DAW.
I can’t fathom anything going wrong with that
loved those button-like cables...
Excelent video! I am currently in the process of building a carry-on playback + monitoring rig for an artist I work with and having a hard time fitting the racked Sennheiser G4 IEMS in our pelican with the propriatary rack mouinting kit. I noticed that the racking solution you used for your G4's doesnt have the metal bit that sticks out on the propriatary Sennheiser mounting kits. Would you or anyone in the comments be able to tell me what you used to rack your IEM transmitters? I am currently using a rack shelf but it weighs a good 3.5lbs which I'd like to trim down on ideally. Thanks for the help!
Killer compact setup!! A couple of questions:
- What are the yellow tracks in the diagram for? Backing tracks, I'm guessing, but I thought I'd better ask.
- How about using a Yamaha EAD-10 on drums for more satisfying in-ear mixes? Small, easy to pack and set up + independent snare + kick triggering if needed (FX, sampled/automated reverb blends etc). The EAD-10 is mounted on top of the kick drum (on the drummer's side), and has a built-in stereo mic setup to capture drums pretty decently!!
- There's a minor typo in the flow chart diagram. I think the last "red" input at channel 7 does not really exist and then the "2-R-Right" signal from the soundcard goes into that input instead of the same channel's output.
Feels good to be back on tour, right?
Wait, why not to use rear ART outputs for your mix and front for FOH and save 1U instead of the patch bay? And putting the mixer reversed for a cleaner look without any wire sticking out of the rack?
Love this ... But so many questions ... How do you power everything? Why not use a Presonus 26C ... it's narrower? Does the S8 split only mics and are instruments split at the source (perhaps with DI?) ... And if so do you send them to the rack balanced (e.g. double DI) or unbalanced? If unbalanced is noise an issue? Any reason you didn't use the wireless in split mono?
As a vocalist I really need stereo in my in-ears. Guitars to the side. Vocals in the middle. How would you go about getting stereo signals with 5 players?
I don’t see the x32. Presonus instead?
can someone explain to me why there is no drums in put into this or their monitors?
This is the video I needed.
Fluff, you the man!
My soldered his entire studio. He spent days on ridiculous snakes and patch snakes. It made my head hurt just looking at them. He ordered like 300 gold trs tips lol
Hey fluff. Can you make a video. Basically the complete dummies guide to IEM and IEM systems. Like from the ground level. Terminology. What stuff does. Etc. Etc.
these videos already exist on YT (check out the one made by Scott Uhl among others))
Do you have backups for those front XLRs? I would be worried about TSA snipping or breaking those.
if you just used IEM G4 mono，not stereo，you can use one G4 transmitter, two body pack..so you ease the burden
I did the same argument when I saw it first on Instagram……….apparently it’s harder to scan for RF when syncing and there’s some leak in the dual mono system
@@himeshsinha6821 It's not harder to scan. In fact it is easier because you have half as many transmitters to account for. L&R sends are not sent on two different frequencies using this method. It simply sends the same L&R feed to two IEM receivers and the "split" is done in the receiver pack. Also, if done correctly there shouldn't be any "leak". Of course if someone screws with the transmitters and gets it off a hard pan, then it will leak. We ran mono IEM for several years using this method (and older G3 IEM packs) without any issues or leaks.
@@BrianSimmons I said this same thing to Fluff but he said "Yeah I know. There is still a small amount of bleed between both sides but more importantly if we need to be able to scan individually if someone is having RF issues ya know."
Super Helpful Fluff. Thanks!
Killer. Such a useful vid. Only thing I’m curious about is power… 🔌🤔 Did I miss that part?
Hey man, trying to put a rig just like this together. Question, why did you go with the 68c for your clicks and tracks and not just use the internal digital outputs from the studio live? Am I missing something? Appreciate your input in advance.
could probably replace the PreSonus Studio 68c with an older RME interface. Those are made to fit half racks
Maybe so, but this is just to demonstrate that the rig can be done with what you can buy in Sweetwater or any music store. I wonder if those interfaces are cross-DAW as well as cross-platform
@@TotalEvo7 DAWs, unless we're talking Luna, are usually interface agnostic. RME is known for its great stability and continual software Support (even for its FireWire interfaces) on all platforms
Hello, can you explain to me how you’re powering your g4 units with the antenna combiner?
Have you used the 16r for IEM and track playback? I just bought a 32r, I have a Presonus 1810c for playback (that I've used for years). Wondering if I should use the 32r for playback and IEM mix. Just looking for someone who has done this already to get a gauge on how stable it is, when running for both. TIA!
this IEM keeps coming around
My band made it so that we only have 3 mixes (2 wireless transmitters, 1 lined for drummer):
1 for the singer (gets louder vocals)
1 for the 2 guitars and 1 bass. We just get a nice "stereo mix" with less lead vocals
The drummer of course gets a differnt lined mix
That is very convinient :)
How do you adjust individual volumes without affecting another IEMs?
@@McKairev multiple outputs from the mixer, theres 8 för outputs on a X32 rack mixer, so that makes 4 stereo mixes, or 8 mono mixes
@@BlazonStone ohh now I get it. Thanks for this!
What is the purpose of the patch bay in the back? Can't you just send a snake from the back of the splitter straight to FOH? Isn't a snake already going to go from the patch bay to FOH or am I missing something? Just trying to understand your intention with that unit!
Given the $300 a unit difference, is it not worth using the G4 Twin models rather than having a unit per person? Additionally, forgive the ignorance please but, is there a reason NOT to have some of the G4's facing the rear of the rack, thus saving an extra 1U in height?
The problems with those scenarios are:
A. It's not ideal to share one unit with 2 musicians [even though Gear Gods have no issues with this setup and run it that way], because if it fails, 2 musicians would lose their mix.
B. Since the rack is compact, there's no way that the G4s can face the rear because there wouldn't be any space for cables to run, especially BNCs for the combiner. The depth of the transmitters wouldn't allow it to happen.
@@TotalEvo7 Thank you for the nice and simple - logic fuelled explanation!
@@ZagatoZee No problem
Hey, Fluff. Can you make a Mesa Badlander rack build video for funsies? Maybe even throw a rack modeler in the amp's effects loop and a cool overdrive pedal before the amp input? I'd watch it and then you'd have a super sweet hybrid rig I could be totally jealous about. 🤘
Hey man, are you sending the Mixes from the mix output to the G4 mono input? Or is it stereo? What makes the presonus better than a RackX32 ? :) nice video man
Does the S8 address the issue when using phantom power mics? I don't want to send 48v to front of house mixer and toasted.
Hi, I’m just getting into in-ears….what about the antennas for the individual units?? How do they fit into the rear of the rig with such tight space? Thanks!
Is the splitter necessary if you have enough out puts on your mixer, and route that to an I/0 panel? or does that introduce too much latency or something?
The splitter allows you to send the unprocessed and pre-gain signals to foh, so what foh does is completely independent from what you do in your iem.
@riffsbeards Hey Fluff! Any chance I could get a link for that rack mount antenna/power supply?
So am I understanding right that you'd plug your cab sims and vocals into the y cable and then take one out from the patchbay and send it to the interface and the other out goes to FOH and then for your monitoring, you have the interface going into a mixer that sends to your wireless rigs. Is that basically what's going on?
how about the vox and drum
Fuff, are you going mono out of the Helix into the Presonus Studio IR and then splitting that to IEMs and FOH respectively? Are you still using the 2x12 for Stage Volume? No stereo rig...really?
Yep Mono everything, using a 2x12 for stage volume
So the in ears are mono in this setup?
It seems you could have also just used 3 wireless transmitters instead of 5. Just 2 people share 1, splitting the stereo signal to 2 Mono signals. This would have given you another 1U back and you could have used a different interface, and could have added a wireless mic if you wanted.
Not ideal, there's some complications that way, I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's not the best option
The main LR outs on the PreSonus I'm assuming those only have the stereo tracks, right?
What's your thoughts on wireless in ear monitors being used with tablets that have the SQ4YOU app used with Allen and Heath Board.
I might have missed it, but how is everything being powered
The only things that are powered are the combiner and the mixer, since both have IECs, and can easily plug into 2 outlets.
Hey it's my uncle!! Hi uncle Jason!!
Can't to see you guys at Download :D
What about your drum mix?
I have no idea what you are talking about but yet I watched the whole video.
@RiffsAndBeards, awesome vid.. Can I ask, has anything changed over the last year using this, would you still recommend the components used?
Could you explain the use of the ProSonus Studio 68C, is this just to connect in the Laptop (tracks) and Click, or does it have other uses? just cant make out why its required, when the ProSonus 16R is doing all the work. Thanks !!
Hi fluff, (or anyone that knows an answer) what kind of antenna do you connect to the combiner and where would you put it? A directional paddle from the wing of the stage, or an omni directional or 1/2 wave antenna center stage?
How can say if system digital no leads that digital to test only change frequency so sound like it
Why the seperate interface, when the 16R is also an interface!
I know this is two years old, I understand the hook up, BUT I am wondering do you hook up both the 16r and 1810c to the computer via USB at the same time? Would you run Universal Control for the IEM and then run a DAW at the same time to run backing tracks and click? I have Universal Control and Presonus Show Page, just wondering how I would get both to work together? Great video BTW.
Yep both go to computer via USB
@@RiffsAndBeards You rock brother, Thanks! Have a great New Years!
Welll, Touring and flying with that is one thing, but how do you challenge all those different ekectric currents e.g. in Europe?
And what about frequency ranges that you may not be free to use? Can be quite a bummer if you suddenly have all kinds of noises on your wireless in ear oe instrument lines, because the freqs you Uwe are occupied (e.g. by cell phones).
Wow, so cool :) Thanks.
Love this setup, clean and simple!
If I wanted to run digital effects on the vocals what would you recommend? Trying to think of a simple way to take a stage line for the mic, plug it into the splitter and route the vocals first through abeleton to add effects before sending it to the mixer/FOH.
Also I know you said one of your interfaces is backup, but is the PreSonus 16R capable of being used as a mixer/interface at the same time? I'm currently using my x32 rack in this way but I want to downsize to a smaller rack with all the same functionality
What program was you using on your iPad to draw out the rig?
can this iem rig go smaller for a band that only does clubs and just has basic gear and it would have to be the cheapest of cheap
Quick ?: Any reason you're not using the 2 channel IEM units? Just curious if that would have made the rig more compact? Thanks!
All of these are stereo capable. We were toying with doing stereo or mono mixes and wanted the option.
If you're using mono mixes, why not use 2 receivers for each transmitter, you could've saved 1u and weight.
Yep. Wanted the ability to go stereo down the road
Hey you have had both x32 rack and presonus 16r , which sounds better in your ears?
Hi , thanks for the video ! Did you have weight of the whole thing and dimensions of the pelican aswell ?
Mono mixes?
When I’m filming video for someone I am using at least 2 if not 3 cameras, more so for the angles…..but I’ve had Situations where one of them didn’t work, card died, got erased. Every single time it saved my but for having at least 2.
Why a separate case inside a Pelican case instead of a single flight case? And why were you considering splitting up what appears to be a travel worthy 12U ATA road / flight case into two 6U? Currently building an IEM rig into a shock mounted 8U case I got for a song ($40, aluminum shell, covered in tape residue, full of dead bugs and grass, came with it's own stank like grandma's attic).
Do you build rigs for others ? Id like to have one build from you
Is your band using Logic Pro X to run backing tracks live? If so, can you comment on it's reliability. I've been trying to get used to Ableton Live, but would much prefer to use Logic if it's feasible. P.s. Thank you for these rig updates!
It’s possible to use Logic for multitrack playback, but it’s way more beneficial for the long run to take the time to understand Abletons interface. It’s pretty daunting at first but it’s industry standard for playback for a reason.
i use Cubase, but i am always scared of the DAW failing at me during live (fortunately still never happened). That's why a lot of professional musicians use like a USB Reader with MIDI I/O.
For the less fortunate there's the Behringer X18 with Xvive units plugged straight into the XLR outs :p
brutal
If you want to get the front of house portion tho think you would just have to add a splitter right? Was thinking the same thing by was trying to figure out how to get instruments/mics to FOH
Exactly. MUCH more obtainable.
@@zipthedrummer A cheap splitter snake can handle that. One or two rack spaces. I think the XR18 is three spaces, so one is left for a power conditioner.
I don't get someting .. I see vox and guitars, but where do you route the drums into?
We dont
did you rent your frequencies or just wing it