No 4x4: The Perfect Thar?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Use common sense to analyse the second-generation Thar’s success, and it'll baffle you. A hardcore off-roader with two doors, over Rs15 lakhs, shouldn’t be selling in the thousands! But it does, every month. Most won’t ever go off-tarmac! Mahindra is cashing in with a less hardcore rear-wheel drive Thar. Is the Thar RWD the nicer, more urban Thar you hoped for?
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CHAPTERS
0:00-1:09 So You Want An Off-roader?
1:10-2:26 What the Thar RWD Does Well
2:27-3:36 The Thar RWD Is Cheaper!
3:37-4:33 Thar RWD Engine & Gearbox
4:34-5:55 Is the Thar RWD Comfortable?
5:56-6:27 Thar RWD is Cheaper?
6:28-6:27 Does the Thar RWD Go Off-road?
7:24-8:20 Thar RWD vs Urban SUVs
8:21-9:48 Thar RWD is an Emotional Decision
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Good to see you after long time .... Watching you since decade ....👍
congratulations for new channel.....
@@sssachinsaini8 thanks so much Sachin! Glad to have you here.
You need patience more than money if you wanna buy the Thar. 😂😂.
Haha It’s 1.5 years for the RWD! Maybe the 4x4 will be easier to get now.
You can drive away with the 4x4 within a month
valid on all new mahindra launches
I think Mahindra should've taken a page out of Ford's book i.e. what they did with the Bronco in the U.S.
Introduce a "Thar Sport" which is based on a monocoque chassis & have AWD in the mix, ideally a 4 door & under 4m in length or maybe even in the 4-4.5m segment.
It could've competed with the Jimny in terms of price, in expectations that Jimny is priced nicely & undercuts the thar.
That would be a dream scenario!
Thank you for the new format of Automotive videos it is refreshing and clean & makes it more likable.
Kudos, Karthik and Shumi the 2 Automotive journalists I have followed the most over the years
Our pleasure! Welcome to the MotorInc vibe Sajan!
The best part about this channel is the freedom you guys have. Looking forward to more such videos. Maybe something in the sedan segment...
Thanks Satvik! Stay tuned!
A very practical, simplified explanation. Cudos to you sir, for breaking it down so easily. I was wondering why they launched the 4*2 version, without any obvious changes. Your explanation makes complete sense. If at all I plan to buy one, I'll give this video a watch multiple times before coming to a decision.
Thank you so much for the encouragement!
What a refreshing way to present a perspective!
Love the new format !
Looking forward to the coverage on the Jimny :)
Thank you so much!
The ambience of the studio, the way video was presented looks so sophisticated and so clean and I am kind of liking this channel gradually because there's so much you both were involved into like channels and all where your minds have so much info to filter, express and do many more activities. Good work!
Thank you so much Dileep! 😀
great video, so much clarity about who should / shouldn't get the thar. Good Job, subscribing now.
Thanks for the sub!
Loved it. Very honest and perfect points Mr. K, great work.
Thank you! Appreciate it!
Big fan sir! Congratulations for this new YT channel. I am absolutely loving this new way of making automobile videos, looks classy and sophisticated. I can predict this channel will grow like crazy.
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No auto journalist would have analyzed the Thar like you did.
More Power to you, Sir!
8:12 buying a vehicle has always been about following the heart than the mind to me and it always brought me so much joy
Fantastic! Glad to know you follow the Ancient Egyptian way of doing things - they used to believe the heart was the source of wisdom. 😊
Thanks brother for cutting through the noise & BS , I found my answer. Love from Pune.
Glad you got it! You're welcome.
Very very interesting video.. provides clarity and helps in making a decision ..
Thank you for sharing that feedback! Helps us! 😊
I really am liking the expirience in this channel
Thank you Soumik, keep sharing your feedback. ❤️
Good to see you Kartikeya sir. Looking forward to more of these videos.
Thanks Pramit! Coming up shortly!
Precise perfect and practical, fantastic review and that suggestion towards end is bang on 👏
Thank you! Glad you liked the video.
Beautiful.
Just the review I needed .. to convince me to go for the 4x4.
Fantastic! Look forward to updates!
Best decision 👍
Super clean.. good videography concept 💙
Thank you so much 😀
By and far the best bgm, hypnotic. Absolute fan of the presentation.
Thank you! ❤️
Amazing review Kartik sir and the team
Thank you so much Aniruddha!
mast different format liked it very much
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What an eye-opener!
Thank you for the excellent Review ....🤟
So welcome!
Guys...kindly make the audio department look into the volume levels of the videos....it's a bit hard to hear and have to crank up the volume all the way to hear properly. As always presentation is top notch ❤️
Thank you so much for the feedback. It’s a miss on our part. Thank you for pointing it out. Appreciate the help. 🙏🏾
Loved it!!
Thank you!
Low profile tyres, bigger alloys, lowered suspension and body coloured cladding is all that the urban thar needs
Egjhaaktly!
Agree with the assessment. This channel is for the enthusiasts, for now at least. The audience is enthusiast and enthusiasts form groups to have fun. If you happened to join a local Thar group, the RWD will end up being out of place. So, the audience of this channel, get the 4WD. Others may choose to get the RWD for its excellent pricing.
We will keep saying you choose what fits your life and needs. We just want to make clear what you get/miss be it with the RWD or the 4WD. Also, we do think the RWD can build an a more appealing identity and purpose for itself. Hope that helps!
@@motorinc In a sea of people just telling us the pros and cons, thank you for being someone who gives clarity. I know it will become increasingly hard as you go along but never change that.
Clarity shouldn't be hard. 😊
Loved it❤
Thank you very much Mr H!
Hey Karthikeya.. good to see u again.... I will subscribe the channel 👍
Thank you for joining us Abhinav!
Thar is an amazing product and it value depends on who you are. For example, if you live in hill stations you'll thoroughly appreciate it.
Most Thar purchase in city is an emotional purchase rather than any real purpose of bush beating.
But let me tell you one thing, here in Australia this would be a hot cake for what it is capable of. Real bush beaters here who love to venture into no mans land for some reason and camp will absolutely love this and won't really complain about the little inconveniences. Hope it gets here !!
Note: This is my second video after the XUV review. Very thorough and honest reviews. Subscribed !!
Thank you! We’re glad you like our work and super thrilled it’s finding resonance in Australia too! 😊❤️
Beautifully put, including that sassy Nope! And the Helloooo? 😁. Great point about the automatic was thinking if the Aisin could be plonked in the 4x4 why not in this one too? It's smooth unlike the AMT. A jerky + bobbing thar? Ufff
When you are having fun… as for the auto - The 1.5 diesel is a transverse layout and would need more work to be combined with the Aisin. Surely, they will bring an option later.
@@motorinc The 1.5D on Thar is not transverse unit. On XUV300 and Marazzo it's transverse. Mahindra has worked on it and made it North South Orientation for Thar RWD. The reason Mahindra not providing Aisin TC probably could be Mahindra not wanting to spend much on the product or they want to reserve the AT for the higher 4WD variants. Hope they come up later with any transmission option.
Karthikeya Singhee, you were with Autocar before. Lived your presentation since then. Missed you in between. But you are back again.
We are glad you are here Saurav. Welcome to Motorinc.
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Wonderful conclusion.
& If the RWD Thar wants to appeal to the head, then maybe it should get side facing rear row seats.
Side-facing? In today's day and age? Not sure how it would meet safety norms
@@motorinc it won't 😅‼️ Which is why there needs to be the reincarnation of their old Invader, based on the Bolero Neo platform. That way the Thar can keep the 5 star NCAP rating.
Whats your take on Grand Vittara AWD?
clean and quality presentation like a fairy tale given by granny where children love to listen with eager
Thank you so much 🙂!
Wow awesome.
Thank you!
Very interesting closing note. Yes, that is a possibility. The Thar 2WD will let you dip your toes in the off road pool but then eventually, you might want to dive in. But, I would not want to take an expensive vehicle to treacherous trails. I would much rather do that on a motorcycle. Much cheaper and challenging. Of course, this is my use case. YMMV.
As long as you have weighed it up and taken a call. Glad you could catch this too. Thank you twp!
@@motorinc Well, I am still weighing options but I know what kind of driving on and off the road I will be doing. It will be several months before I can actually buy a car. And if the Himalayan 450 turns out to be a great package, I might have to buy that and a hatchback instead. Thanks for making this video!
@@twowheeledparadox Oooh! Great plan! And 🙏
Hi Guys
Can you pls bring a comparison between Safari and Scorpio N
Spot on, its an indulgence and for that it is selling well.
We can use the sales of the Thar as a marker of our economic progress.
But the whole point was to not make the RWD distinct from the 4x4 Thar as its target customers would lose street cred defeating the purpose of the RWD.
They can reduce the price of the petrol Thar further by using the 1.2 TGDi from the XUV300 Sport.
The road pliant version of the Thar which Kartikeya wants should be marketed as a new vehicle like the Evoque.
They can call it Road King since they have that IP too assuming in house suing isn't allowed 😂
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I am waiting for tata altroz racer edition, hopefully it will deliver the power which the regular altroz version lacks
Exciting for sure!
From rock crawler to mall crawler thar 4X2 is our ultimate cheap wrangler 😁
Haha Those ramps are gonna get Tharred!
Well anyone who wishes to do off roading certainly would never go for RWD, you just dont feel like diving into off roading ( for an amateur/ beginner) more than adventure it is a risk involved as well. So enthusiasts who wish to become off roaders know and professionals who wish to do off roading certainly wouldnt buy a RWD and then have that missing out feeling, As you rightly said buying a THAR is an emotional decision so people who would go for a RWD would know the limits
Sadly, they might be too cautious too. That’s the thing with the 4WD it’s like a safety net sitting there, just in case.
much needed one as I was so confused. still, I have the same question about which SUV to take in the sub-4 meter section?
Glad we could help! What are your requirements? Emotional needs are valid too!
@@motorinc don't even ask me about emotions fir to wrangler chahiye haha. actually I'm looking in used car sections xuv300, duster, ecosport, marutis are very expensive, what else we can add? you suggest any?
the 2wd thar is a very good initiative. our roads in India, even those in big cities are generally under repair and full of imperfections, pot holes, debris and all. also, our cities are flood prone in the monsoons making ones way across town can be quite a bit of an off road adventure. a large SUV therefore is most suitable for our needs here in India. hence the Thar is a perfectly acceptable choice as an alternative to the other high GC cross overs that people seem to be buying in the dozens. this vehicle is certainly a heart over head decision. but then, why should everything in this world be driven only by the head?
We are saying give into your heart even more! 😁 Nonetheless, if you get the 2WD you should already know what your are trading for a more attractive price. Which is fine.
New 2023 Hyundai Verna specs just got revealed , I'm excited about the 1.5 turbo GDI ,6 speed manual 🤙😎
That should be fun!
I have XUV300 TOP OF THE LINE PETROL 2021 AND I LOVE THAR SO MUCH THAT AFTER RWD I AM THINKING ABT BUYING IT AND SELLONG XUV300 .
NOT THAT I AM DISAPPOINTED WITH XUV BUT I JUST WANT IT.
BTW I HAVE DRIVEN IT AND MY COUSIN HAS THAR 4×4 and i often drive it.
Which XUV ? 9:38
Interesting video...although I don't agree with you, 70% of thar buyers never touched 4x4 gear lever and for them this thar makes it a perfect choice. Again, its' depend upon the use case, the pricing is the biggest factor to make a hit or loose.
Not agreeing with us is totally okay! 🙂
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What about the BS6 Phase 2 Diesel, its updated yet or not? And getting a diesel SUV in 2023 makes sense to a normal buyer? Provided all this BS6 phase 2 issues and companies pulling out of diesel game. Would love to know your opinions on this.
I had the same question . Please answer !
Like every automatic manufacturer is saying, running the diesels will be difficult in the future. Nothing will compare to the BS4 era. Normal buyers shouldn't consider a diesel nowadays but if you can live with it, treat your car like a pet (it'll definitely comand long drives twice or thrice a month) then one shouldn't shy away from it.
The Thar 1.5D has SCR so it uses urea for the exhaust treatment. Which means the biggest investment is done. Will get a fix on the BS6 2 details soon.
i just booked it as an investment.When this will be delivered,prices would be already upped by 1 or 2 lacs.
A car as an investment?
Great that you have the freedom to have a opinion. Live young and free 🙂
You too! Thank you!
I think if they made this any further different, it would cost them more at the expense of eating into their urban xuv300.
Also isn't Thar losing a lot of buyers to the Scorpio for the same reason. It's a 4 door comfortable off roader.
The Thar is and always has been a car for the heart, so Mahindra has given the RWD like that designer garnish on the side of the dish, doesn't make it any more practical or helpful, but you can now post it on Instagram, getting those few buyers in the fence into the showrooms.
We dont think the XUV300 would be affected too much by an urban Thar. Right now Mahindra has massive waiting periods for their holy trinity - Thar, Scorpio and XUV 700!
@@motorinc I've bought the XUV300 and it's a fantastic vehicle. In fact I called the Thar the Off-Road 300 amongst friends. (In reference to drive and torque)
I would suggest people try it if they want the Mahindra experience sans the waitlist.
@@shauryapathak310 Its a hoot to drive! Glad to hear you are enjoying it!
For most cars we consider and reconsider about their fitness of purpose in our lifestyle.
But in case of the Thar we consider and reconsider the fitness of our lifestyle to suit the purpose of the Thar..😄
The XUV-300 makes better sense in almost every aspect when compared to the Thar RWD.. but when it comes to the quotient of desirability and image. The Thar just twists your senses of decision making.😄
Well said! True!
Recently saw the one and only Thar on ME-2 with three guys. You should have seen the third one in the rear seat trying to find a sweet spot for him along with all the luggage accompanying him. He wasn't looking happy at all.
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I loved the approach to the conclusion with practical and critical thinking keeping the status ego aside associated with such products. Thanks for the contribution to this world with a different perspective. Hence the right name VIEW
😊 Thank you!
7:37 🎉 exactly 😊
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Only a handful of vehicles have managed to evoke an emotional response in the automotive landscape of India., like Royal Enfield Bullet, Yamaha Rx100, Maruti Gypsy etc. The Thar is one of them. To buy a Thar is an indulgence, regardless of whether its a 4x4 or 4x2. It doesnt need to make any sense to buy one. Let me put it this way, the R34 GTR gets every JDM fanboy frothing at the mouth (me included). So if the opportunity came where i could acquire a RWD R34, with a slightly different engine, decent performances, cheaper to buy and looks essentially the same as the GTR.. I would pick one instantly. Check out the R34 GT-T. The Thar RWD is basically what an R34 GT-T is to a R34 GT-R.
Makes sense! And lovely analogy Remy!
Couldn't mahindra bring a 4wd version with this engine sure it would increase the price.
But the overall cost would be less than the 2.2 thar right?
Manufacturers usually do the permutations and combinations very early in the project. And certain spec-trim versions make no sense in sales-to-effort.
perfectly put , has to be a 4x4 diesel or none at least for me :)
Heya! Are you planning on getting one?
@@motorinc yes the only challenge is a wait for 1 year doesn’t make sense so looking for alternatives
Let us know what you find!
@@motorinc I am actually looking at a Duster 4x4 110 AWD with independent suspension or Skoda Yeti 4x4 2.0 TDI
just a little thing: why does the volume of the background music sound like its being turned up and down every second?
Thanks for the feedback! Were you listening on headphones?
@@motorinc nope i was on my desktop speakers. i rewatched the video just to double check
@@neilchakr Thanks so much Neil. This one is on us. Apologies. Thank you for pointing it out and double-checking it.
DO YOU REALLY TAKNIG MUMBAI TO PUNE AS LONG JOURNEY?
I love my Thar but I'll be happy if mahindra focus more on build quality and better service.
As far as ride quality is concerned I changed my suspension to make it more comfortable.
That’s interesting! What did you change?
I changed dampers (ARC), headlight bulbs
Thanks!
At this price point the Xuv 300 series actually makes more sense. Same engine, almost the same boot space and the same mileage, but better comfort, drivability, tons of features and most importantly less or no waiting period. Yes the Thar does have that oomph factor, but the Xuv is easier to live with. And no matter how much nobility the Thar has, with time you will start questioning your life choices. I for one wouldn't definitely not recommend this as your only car.
You've made a valid point.
new versys 650 ka review kya hume dekhne ko mil sakta hai sir ji?
No plan to do one anytime soon LS!
I feel Bolero Neo is a much better choice compared to a RWD Thar.
Pros-
Better cabin experience
More space at the back
RWD
Mechanical diff lock
Cheaper than RWD Thar
Cons-
Less powerful engine
Doesn't get an Automatic
That’s a cool piece of analysis.. you are thinking from the head aren’t you? 😆
I owned ford aspire bs6 tdci 80k plus(long trips : delhi to leh,delhi to chennai,delhi to sriganga nagar, and many short trips between 500 to 1k km) not a single breakdown,great comfort,excellent drivability/hangling,with good mileage,low maintenance cost. My personal car
4th generation honda city ivtec 2015 family car
I m waiting for 2 door RWD jimny 1.5 naturally aspirated engine
My freind own a thar 4*4 not a practical car according to me
2 saal m ek long trip ki hai 😢 wo bi 5% offroading patch mila or seats are very uncomfortable for long rides lots of issues
Spot on! Thanks MT!
I love how this channel carries itself very calm and aesthetic not like other channel's where it's all chaos
Thank you!
Nice informatic video. But I have a doubt ...Mounting the wheel on to back door increases its length. Isn't that Mahendra cheating the government by taking all benifits of Sub 4m and still selling the vehicle with increased overall length . Over all length of Thar will be easily 4300mm....
Great point! The spare wheel doesn’t count in the overall length! If you remember the Ford EcoSport and Fiat Avventura used to have it there too. Its creativity. The sub4m rule is a unique rule - not entirely logical - and car makers have looked for ways to maximise space inside the vehicle- which would benefit us - the end user. Makes sense?
Buying a Thar now is more like buying an M 800 in the 80s , you had to pay full in advance,wait for a couple of years and then if you pay in dollars u had an upper hand over the other bookings 😅
What about rear diff locks ?
The diesel gets an auto locking diff.
@@motorinc does BLD in the RWD make any difference off-road?
The audio is distracting... Maybe reduce it a bit in this video?
Thanks for the feedback. Would help to know - what we’re you watching and listening on?
I don’t mind it
@@motorinc I was listening over my oneplus bullet wireless z2, connected to my phone. The audio seemed to be going on and off due to which it was distracting to hear over Karthikeya's speech
Waiting for 1.2 TGDi in Thar.
I think for the most, the RWD Thar will be a choice to satisfy the ego to make that neighbor jealous. No matter how much people deny, all over the world, especially in India, neighbour's envy is a top priority when buying a vehicle. The RWD will do that, just need 4x4 badges. About the point about different, more tarmac-oriented wheels/tyres, it completely defeats the above purpose. Most people in India, buy a 4x4 for bragging rights (regardless of brand/model), though I must say the number of people using 4x4 has increased lately. But yes, people will hardly use the 4x4 hardware. And RWD Thar can in most situation get you out cuz of its GC and approach/departure angles as long as there is enough traction. And for this, I think RWD works for India. Would I buy one? Nope.
I would rather save up and invest that little extra moolah in the Gurkha (yeah yeah I know Thar is better, but the heart wants what it wants). The more practical 5 door will also get a RWD version I hear, which should help the rest swing in its favour. OT but I think its high time Mahindra make a Thar Gladiator err I mean a Jeep Getaway.. oh well, you get my point.
Mr Mys! You are the niche within the niche. A Gurkha man!
Folks who buy a 2WD version of a 4WD SUV are the kind (I presume) that would offer you a non-alcoholic beer at a new year’s party. Just why?
If you want to buy a Thar, the only option that should never be considered is whether it should be 2WD or 4WD. The spirit of the Thar lives in its “go anywhere” capability, which is only possible with four-wheel drive.
In this case, it really is, “it’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.”
3:50 Did a flyer fly off?
The real question is how far the flyer flew before the Thar flew and blew past. 😆
@@motorinc Agreed! 😂 By the way, loving the content. Y'all are revolutionizing how reviews are being done.
Thanks Shankar!
With earphones in.. the background music going on and off made me dizzy in under a minute.. cannot watch this video with earphones
Apologies, that’s the last thing we would want to hear. 🙏🏾 it’s a miss on our part.
Karthikeya's drip is immaculate
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get an xuv 300?
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Driving in our cities is like offroading.
Hardcore!
Well said , Thar is not Thar if there in no 4x4😊
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last 20 sec he changed everything and straight gone to SUV
Not sure what you mean by that Harish. Explain please?
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Play at 1.5x and thank me later 😆
Glad you found your speed!
If only Mahindra started delivering on their orders 😞
Sabar ka phal…
It's the perfect thar for people who usually buy thars aka people who aren't enthusiasts
But what if there's a adventure trip. 4x4 truly is not used in day to day affairs but when it's needed it is essential. I'd still be of opinion to buy the 4x4 thar cuz that is the true thar. See thar was always about exploring and doing off road expeditions for that 4x4 is needed it has been the vehicle which made some people enthusiasts so for that I agree with Kartikeya sir that a better buy is 4x4 thar.
It is awesome that there's such a cool looking vehicle available for us to buy today, which is what most Thar buyers seem to want.
@manthenvashishth3769 - For sure. The machine has to have the opportunity to show what it can do!
The thar has got engine from Marazzo ( 4 cylinder engine) not from xuv 300 which have a 3 cylinders, anyway its not a practical or comfortable car by any means, Thar is a true Two Seater vehicle only, ride quality is very harsh, wind tyre and engine noise also ruins the experience, plastic roof heats up too much and the AC takes its sweet time to work. In my opinion, It was better in 4*4 version only. It is not at all a good daily use vehicle.
Hullo! The XUV300’s petrol is three-cylinder. The diesel is a 4-cylinder - like with Marazzo. It’s a lifestyle vehicle for sure!
Why Thar has no 4 doors-compatible SUV?
Sorry, didn’t get that!
With a tempting price tag of under 13 lakh on road for a diesel, the Real 4*4 owners lost the resale value and also the 4*4 waiting periods drastically reduced. In such a way, mahindra is disappointing their premium consumers.
Hullo again! Are you a Thar owner? Have you seen prices go down?
MAHINDRA HAS MADE DEFECTIVE PETROL TGDI ENGINE IN XUV 700 PETROL .
There are more than 30 cases in known contacts with failed Petrol engine within 2 months of purchase. Either piston rings are worn out or Head valve inside cylinder head is defective.
UA-camrs should research enough before making any videos. My petrol engine also failed at 5k kms .
Engine oil was getting consumed internally due to faulty head valve.
Shame on M&M to develop faulty petrol tgdi engine without any quality control checks . People have invested more than 25 lalhs on xuv 700 and getting engine failures.
Same 2.0 litre engine is used in Thar .
Can you help in spreading this news?
So it is arguably worst of both worlds that is, it does not have the proper offroad capabilities and it does not have ease of of driving as it isnt the automatic. But still people will buy it in masses as it is a THAR.
And because of the price point!
@@motorinc yes agreed
It's the ultimate car for posers.
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Are you high bro ?
Always, just need a car or bike! Best life.