One of the things about making things is that you get better at making things. That’s the #1 reason to buy American made stuff. It’s not that it’s “ours” or any hippy dippy stuff like that. It’s supporting American manufacturing which will hopefully lead to more things being made here while continuing to improve on quality, price, performance and availability.
Big ups to B&B. The number of holes drilled by hand here is immense. I can speak to having a long body breaking day of testing only to get 30 seconds of sped up footage. So Rob and the gang deserve props for bringing us this info. My money would be on Matco Hyper-Step as nothing else seems to drill like it, but also $$$$
Super kind of you guys. We just bought everything we could find in the big box stores, but several tradesmen have commented on some serious metal drilling contenders (many made in the USA) that the pros rely on. Not gonna lie, I REALLY don't want to do more of this testing. It was miserable. But if people really want it, I might have to reach out to some Pros to put together another test. :)
@@ToolShow I'm surprised (and glad) you did all this testing on your own. Normally, you let other channels have all the "fun" and just report on their results.
@@evolvingskills5903 We specifically didn't use a drill press and weight, because we know the people who buy these bits in the big box stores, don't do that. We attempted to be as "real world" as we could for our test.
That means a lot man! It's not one of our sponsored videos, so it was really a labor a love (with the emphasis on the labor). Glad you found it entertaining and informative!
Germans have always made incredible things. For hundreds of years they have made profound weapons, tools, cars, etc. But... I will always buy American. More or less expensive, higher lower performance, doesn't matter. Given the choice, always buy American. It's a mindset, and I want my kids to think that way too, so that's why I do it! 💪 Phenomenal video by the way! Had me the whole time and totally subscribed now!
After working in manufacturing in the US, I'm actually surprised the US-made bit held up as well as it did, but would like to see a larger sample size. Consistency was the big issue I always had with US machine shops, and why we went to Japan.
I'm an ironworker, and at work we use Champion Brute XL5 bits, they drill very well and are made in the USA as well. If you're not too sore (or if you can convince your brother), I would love to see how they hold up against their American brethren. Great video!
Those are the ones I use as well. They haven’t steered me wrong, but I’d be willing to give Spyder a try as their hole saws are pretty good. As far as where a tool is made? Whenever possible, I try to have it made in Canada/USA.
I used a couple spider bits for galvanized heavy Channel a couple years ago. They surprised the hell out of me. We were predrilling for wall panels, so we made a lot of holes with them.
Ryobi's kept breaking on me, im on internet trying to get replacements and saw your you tube video, ok Im buying Spyder from now on!!! Have to get from loews cant find on home depot site. Amazon doesnt have it only cheap ryobi. Thanks for testing !!!!!!!!!!!!
You’re gonna love their hole saws! I’ve never used any better. I love their quick eject extra long arbor, and nothing cuts better or outlasts their hole saws. .
extremely thankful for the video! I was using Ryobi bits with lots of frustration and had no clue they are SO bad. Just bought Spyder to finish drilling steel that Ryobi was unable to do, and completed job in 5 min after spending 1h+ yesterday with Ryobi. The drilling effort you made is impressive but tells a story very well!
I just want to comment that when this video came out 2 years ago(wow!) I went out and bought the German DeWalt cobalt and the blue spyder bits. Im not using them every single day but they are all still incredibly sharp. My only complaint about the spyder is they don't stay put in magnetic collets (m12 installation driver offset head) but aside from that they are amazing. I use them for wood and they still deliver consistent, clean holes! The German DeWalt cobalt bits are incredible and i use them any time i drill through metal! Still going strong 2 years later!
Excellent review, Drilling the point home, that there is a lot of inconsity in product production & performance. Seeing Spyder with those results is impressive and equally satisfying that it is American made. I did not know spyder made saw blades, that I am interested in.
I tried the spyder drill bits to drill out a stripped lug nut. It didn't do very well. I ended up taking them back for a refund. The kobalt drill bits from lowes worked better and did the job I needed done.
More than made in the USA, which is very important to me, it's more about supporting independent and/or locally run companies IMO. The cost is almost always more, and in some cases way more, but I think its worth it to support those companies. The quality isn't always leaps and bounds ahead but its usually at least close to the top and that makes it worth it for me.
I mean performance can’t be ignored so I’d be inclined to go with the dewalt bit, but... that purple and blue lookin pretty good and it provides American jobs so maybe the spiders.
That drill they're using is running at the optimum speed for drilling a 3/16" hole into mild steel. But you still need coolant to not overheat the bit. There are certainly metal alloys that are more heat tolerant than others are. Some grinds will produce less heat than others too. This test would have come out different on a drill press using coolant. As to why I'd buy cheap bits it's because they're cheap.
Dewalt bits are very cheap. I got a set for like $15. Haven't had any problems with them. I usually try to use cutting oil but it's not always convenient so I drilled a ton of holes on my trailer without it and the bit still cuts like new
This and pilot holes ,crayon wax like stick lube coolants. Keep bits locked away from glommers in company shop as well. Even the same! bits provided last 100x's, taken care of, longer then the ⅛ bits used by the 800 pound gorillas bouncing on the drill that's spun at 4,000 rpms.
Since different coatings are meant for different applications, and the most of my work is light to medium steel, I always go cobalt bits as they seem to last the longest, regardless of brand. My particular favourite is actually the starrett holesaw pilot bit (I'm an electrician so most of my holes are 6mm anyways) £4 a bit I have a Milwaukee cobalt index for when I need a particular size but risk snapping the bit. Cost £40 I have a hilti cobalt index that I've had for nearly 20years. Every bit is still razor sharp and will go through anything Ive ever come across,but the index cost over £200 for 35 bits, so it's only used if it happens to burn out a cheaper bit first
I'd choose the spyder time and time again after the impressive results and being made in the U.S. I'm very proud to see an American product laying down some numbers!
We are building our own home right now and Spyder brand bits were THE ONLY ones that could do some of the work that we had for more than 3-5 holes. I actually stopped using mine because it was getting dull while all of its competitors are laying on the ground broken.
Learning how to sharpen twist drill bits is a valuable skill. In a pinch you could do it with an angle grinder. A bench grinder is your best bet though.
I have a Dewalt cobalt bit set. They have easily been the best bits I’ve ever used. I’m not as active with them as I’m sure some guys are, but they’ve drilled through things I never figured they would have lasted through. I’ve also only ever used bits you can get from big box until I bought the dewalt cobalt. So there may be better bits out there.
Have you tried drilling through wood with them? I was shocked at how rough they are. They pulled the drill so hard it smacks into the wood. Leaves splinters everywhere. Goes very fast. The Spyder and Milwaukee titanium bits I have I can use for finish carpentry because they are so smooth.
I used to work as a finish carpenter in commercial. I bought the dewalt cobalt for pre drills on hollow metal doors, closers, frames etc. I used to charge out the company for the dewalt black and gold because the purchasing person used to hate anyone who bought " needlessly expensive" bits. I would charge them 5 to 1 for the cobalt and make nice profit, I even bought a bench grinder to sharpen them.
Hi rob, I understand your point, when I need to get the job done with ease, My go to is dewalt, I just hung a picture frame and I ordered the dewalt bit from Amazon, Lowe’s and hd didn’t have it, very interesting video ty, Bob,
Yeah spider blue drill bits are awesome. I saw a few early reviews and immediately went out and grabbed some. Well, tried to grab some. They were so new at lowes they were still in the freight box that hadn't been unpacked so I opened it and got me a box to purchase. They are some of the best bits I have used in a long time. That dont cost 100 per. I hope spider comes with a larger set in the future.
I would be happy with the DeWalt German bit, the Spyder, or the Milwaukee to be honest. How many batteries on the drill did you go through? Looking at set prices now for the Spyder and DeWalt.
Glad to see Spyder doing well with drill bits because my experience with their carbide hole saws in 304 stainless and even A36 hot rolled is the exact opposite - I got 0 holes from both a 1-1/2" and a 1" Spyder hole saw using a drill press to control speed (
It needs to be noted that the Spyder bits are a coated High Speed Steel, and they did almost as good as the most expensive Cobalt bits. That is truly impressive! I feel like that's a very important distinction that should be highlighted. But the most surprising thing to me is that the DeWalt Titanium (a coated HHS) did just as good as the Spyder bits and are made in China, and cheaper. But, as you noted the quality control may be lacking, and you may not always get that performance. Over all a very cool test. Thanks for doing that!
But: titanium oxide is a coating, too. You did n't expect that, too much pressure and rpm ... burn the coating? Bit is done. I also use cutting lube, watching speed and pressure. Yes I do with crayon type lubes. Those hex shank bits are primarily used by householders in those 3.6 volt things. More expensive mfg. Aimed at a market with discernment and expectations. They will pay more because it fits their weak slow screwdriver.
I went and investigated at the store. As far as the Cobalt DeWalt, only the like medium to larger size s I made in Germany. The smaller sizes are made in Thailand according to the back of the packages. Not that that matters as long as they're effective.
Excellent video, straight to the point. Because of you showing this, I went and bought blue mach bits and drivers. I also bought several new saw blades, all Spyder. I bought Spyder blades for my jigsaw, my reciprocating saw (nice Spyder blade case) my miter saw and my table saw. In summary, this video printed me to buy over $300 worth of Spyder stuff. I did not know that they are all made in the USA. Great helpful video.
Ward, I'm glad you loved the video! But full disclosure, I know for a fact that not all of SPYDER's products are built here in the USA yet. They're working on it, which is more than I can say for many others. So you can support their efforts by buying their products for sure. But if you're only interested in spending money on Made In the USA, then you'll need to check the label on each SPYDER product you choose. I do hope you get the same great life out of your SPYDER products, that we've got out of ours, and appreciate you supporting Made In The USA products. It's hard to do that with power tools, but there are many great bits, blades, and hand tools still made here.
I’ve stuck to Milwaukee cobalt bits and haven’t looked else ware but I might look in to the German made ones cause in my opinion if you want a precision tool you go Germany, American steel if better for heavy duty applications
Everyone probably gets their steel from China today. Germany sold their smelters to China years ago. I watched a video here of the Chinese dismantling the plant and carting it off.
All I use are the cobalt Milwaukee bits as well. They're sharp, they cut fast and are easily replaceable if one breaks. More expensive bits are great, just not after 5 o'clock and it needs to be done.
Use them for a while, then come back and tell us how they did. Our testing was obviously very limited. The true test will come as pros continue to use them on the job. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Thanks for the review! I mostly use Ruko or Hilti Cobalt bits and some Milwaukee Titanium. Sorry, but not sorry for the result - as a German. 😁 We don’t get Spyder bits over here, but I will definitely try the German DeWalt bits. Hope they’re just as good in metric.
I'm not at all surprised by the results. I've bought a few sets of those Pilot Point DeWilts, and they are some bad mamajama's.. They punch holes in steel fast, like drilling through soft wood. And a they last a long long time. 100% worth the money. Excellent review!
I wish made in the USA was more common. The quality is much higher standards here. Which is why the prices go up. Made in the USA meant quality. Today is all about money. It's sad. In the job site, we spend hours working with junk, throwing junk away and getting new. We are now programed this way. I'm a firm believer of quality tools. You pay for what you get.
@@1pcfred you are correct. The limitations we have on recycling materials is pretty harsh. And in ways it is much cleaner (for us) to have another country to do it abroad. But in reality it's still our planet that we share the same air. Over time it won't make any difference.
@@PFab I was just thinking the same thing before you said it. But NIMBY and out of sight, out of mind do exist. Still, we could do the hard things better here if we had the will to do them. We cannot force the far east to do them better. Oh well, I guess low price wins every time.
Had an old man sharpen black oxide bits for years at a shop i used to work for. They were sharp enough for the job and lasted for many holes using cutting oil. Bit sharpening is a lost art. We tried a drill doctor. But the cuts were inconsistent anything under a 5/16
I remember the first hole I ever tried to drill too. No oil, cordless drill at random migrating odd angles, with undoubtedly a wide variety of pressure managed by how quick your arms started trembling with exhaustion. It may not matter though, the drill bit tips are clearly going fast enough to break the sound barrier; you can see the shock wave from the sonic boom pass through the puddles of molten steel. All this without a pilot hole. You would have been more correct if you claimed to be tig welding with drill bits, but cutting metal holes with them. Using your method to cut holes, a router would work better. They are even faster and more wobbly.
As an American man. Ive always been intrigued by german engineering and specifically german made tools. Not sure why exactly, i just think germans + metal = badassery. Thats why i have a good selection of American tools and German tools.
Thank you for throwing up the major brands against something made in the USA and letting us see who takes the cake. I will gladly buy Spyder bits over any of the others now
Awesome video! So interesting to see the varying results from different brands. I wouldn't say it's fair to compare something made from high speed steel with something made from cobalt steel. Though it's interesting that a cobalt drill only did 75 more holes than a high speed steel bit. I also wish a drill press with a weight system was used to make sure this was absolutely scientific, but I know I'm a little obsessive. I want to see Spyder make a cobalt bit with their blue coating! I own these Mach Blue drill bits, and they are phenomenal. Feels great to support an American business and keep the jobs here! Keep it up Spyder and B&B!
I'm familiar with that blue coating from lathe and mill tools; I think you would see some interesting results if you retested your top two contenders in hardened tool steel!
@@1pcfred that is the point. If the spiders are using the coating I believe the are, you won't see the difference until you push the nearest competitor to it's limits regarding hardness. At least a non hardened tool steel which a good cobalt but should do but not for long. I believe that with this coating the spiders will actually cut hardened tool steel. I do suggest using a drill press for this test though.
@@matthewperlman3356 I think a lot of what we saw here could be described as an edge use case. There are a lot of factors that determine if a drilling operation is successful or not. It is not as simple as chuck a bit up and go. I know if it were me and I couldn't get a bit to bore a single hole I'd be looking at the tip very closely to try to determine what is going wrong. Some bits do come with bad grinds that stop them from working. Some bits are made out of poor steel too though. I sharpen bits so I'm not a big believer in coatings. The coating is gone first time a bit gets sharpened. I guess the coating can help the margin some?
Yes we need to pay to get dependable products and I'll be getting both 1st and 2nd top winners hopefully both works as I've got 01 unhardened knives and chisel to build. Big Thanks so showing.
2021 Dewalt has been kicking ass, good. The more companies competing, the better the product will be and the lower the price will drop. The result is that we all as consumers win.
Came here from the Torque Test Channel. Pretty good review, but no KnKut? I drill a lot of HSS and boron steel doing auto collision repair. The twelve pack of 1/8" double ended bits from KnKut and a Drill Doctor are very good friends of mine. So is my Milwaukee 2703-20, but that's splitting hairs. KnKut. Made in the USA.
Thanks for making this boring video, not boring. I've had terrible times with 1/4 shank drill bits breaking off the mounting shank , until red helix. For straight bits I prefer DeWalt pilot point. The black oxide bits are great also. I've had German made bits go dull, and break, as fast as the Chinese made ones. I've had TIN coated Chinese made bit last longer. I've had dollar store black oxide bits work just as good as the Ryobi bits. At first I was a little skeptical at the aluminum looking mounting shanks of the Spyder. Now I'll consider them. Still love the DeWalt bits. The moral of the story is... to stay clear away from Ryobi bits.
If I am needing bits for metal work (drill press), I have Drill Hog jobber or Norseman bits (made in USA). For most other portable drill bits, I've a set of DeWalt brad points and some titaniums (not sure if China, but I know that I've busted atleast several of the 3/8 and smaller all the time. I mean, I want a pilot for a small screw, 1/8 or so, its got a 50-50 chance of breaking.
I have used the living hell out of norseman bits in the machine shop. I need a full index for at home! I Had a job on a mill, that required us drilling 3/8 holes into a casting. The holes were then machined to accept carbide cutter teeth for a rock trencher. I dont know what the castings were made of but the only drill bits that would last were guhring bits. We were destroying solid carbide bits in two or three holes. We started changing bits every 2 parts with the guhrings.
Great video. I have a lot of bits including Spyder. I’m throwing all my bits out except for the Spyders or if I have any of the German Dewalts. I’m amazed at the the difference in performance of bits. I’m subscribed now.
Glad I just snagged a whole drill bit kit for like $30 from Lowe’s, maybe it was less or a few bucks more but it is nice to see which bits out there to not even bother buying and which ones might last me quite awhile, to where one bit could last me years of how often I use them
Wow now this is true dedication 1000's of holes to see who was the best. Yes Made in U.S.A means alot to most ppl I know & work with or around. It means we are helping support our ppl here at home. You don't see patriotic people anymore they don't love this country.
Spyder all day. 1. It’s a quality made in the USA bit. 2. It’ll last me decades now that I’m semi-retired. 3. They can be sharpened. 👍🏽 It’s the metals used and angles of blade surfaces that count. It has both. 👍🏽
Based on your video, I purchased a Dewalt 1/2 inch bit made in Germany. Drilling though approx 3/8 inch snow plow. Used cutting oil and drilled one hole and got though about 1/2 of the 2nd one with a lot of difficulty. Totally disappointed!
Bill that SUCKS. As you saw in the beginning of our test, the consistency of inexpensive bits is terrible, but that doesn't mean the expensive bits are completely immune. If you'd be willing to do a bit of testing, I'd be happy to send you HD gift card so you could buy a couple more of those DeWALTs, and see if they fail as well. Just email me at rob at toolshow dot com and we'll talk.
Even if the spyder was beat out by 15%, I think that really could be inconclusive, as given the variation I'm sure bit to bit variation could be still a fair amount even with the higher quality bit. I think the takeaway is that both the german made dewault bit and the spyder are good buys tho
That variation issue really needs to be addressed with some VERY time-consuming, and VERY expensive testing. I might be up to testing the top Spyder, DeWALT and Milwaukee from our tests. I'll have to see how many examples of each we bought. But I agree. Any bit that CAN do 200+ holes (this was some seriously hard metal) is pretty spectacular.
Awesome video! That was a different approach from most and i think thats a good thing. It definitely showed the B&B personality in it especially with the final results. Keep up the awesome work and hopefully you can squeeze in more of these from time to time.
I never would have used even a cheap drill bit like that. I always use the center punch and cutting oil and I always check and file tips first, even on brand new bits but..... that's just me
As we've stated elsewhere, we were aiming to treat the bits like we expect most people to use them when they bring them home from Home Depot or Lowes. But I admire your dedication to doing it right.
I have not read the zillion comments, but cleveland twist and or the greenfield drill bit names used to be good, I cannot quantify if they are still top tier, but they have traditionally been much better hands down than the box store junk, I freely admit i have not done any major drill purchases in walk in stores, and I'm sure there are some half decent ones out there like in the video, but if you want good stuff ask ask old time machinists what they order. This may be outside the parameters of your test, but just thought I would offer the folks out there some more options
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While testing the bits, we also built a rig to apply lateral stress until each one broke. ua-cam.com/video/7XfG0sV06H8/v-deo.html
I went and picked one up at lowes thanks
One of the things about making things is that you get better at making things. That’s the #1 reason to buy American made stuff. It’s not that it’s “ours” or any hippy dippy stuff like that. It’s supporting American manufacturing which will hopefully lead to more things being made here while continuing to improve on quality, price, performance and availability.
I would choose Spider because America, but I highly respect German made tools.
I'm from ireland I would prefer to buy usa tools or Germanys I like both countries
@@kevinlynch2915 I'm from Canada, and prefer USA, Germany, or Japan made.
They do a lot right.
I think a main point of buying domestic is to keep your money circulating in your country more which benefits you overall more directly
Yu should have got the skil drill bits, they have a couple diffrnt sets at Lowes concrete and wood and metal bits
Big ups to B&B. The number of holes drilled by hand here is immense. I can speak to having a long body breaking day of testing only to get 30 seconds of sped up footage. So Rob and the gang deserve props for bringing us this info. My money would be on Matco Hyper-Step as nothing else seems to drill like it, but also $$$$
Super kind of you guys. We just bought everything we could find in the big box stores, but several tradesmen have commented on some serious metal drilling contenders (many made in the USA) that the pros rely on. Not gonna lie, I REALLY don't want to do more of this testing. It was miserable. But if people really want it, I might have to reach out to some Pros to put together another test. :)
@@ToolShow I'm surprised (and glad) you did all this testing on your own. Normally, you let other channels have all the "fun" and just report on their results.
@@ToolShow why not put the bits in a drill press? You can set the rpm and possibly do like project farm with weights for consistency.
@@ToolShow how about a collaboration? Project Farm, TTC, VTC, etc.
@@evolvingskills5903 We specifically didn't use a drill press and weight, because we know the people who buy these bits in the big box stores, don't do that. We attempted to be as "real world" as we could for our test.
Really pleased this is an honest review and not a Spyder add. Thank you guys!
I actually didn’t skip a second in this video. Love it from beginning to end.
That means a lot man! It's not one of our sponsored videos, so it was really a labor a love (with the emphasis on the labor). Glad you found it entertaining and informative!
@@ToolShow I did. I work in the remodeling business and you gave me 2 good choices of metal drills I can pick from.
Germans have always made incredible things. For hundreds of years they have made profound weapons, tools, cars, etc. But... I will always buy American. More or less expensive, higher lower performance, doesn't matter. Given the choice, always buy American. It's a mindset, and I want my kids to think that way too, so that's why I do it! 💪 Phenomenal video by the way! Had me the whole time and totally subscribed now!
After working in manufacturing in the US, I'm actually surprised the US-made bit held up as well as it did, but would like to see a larger sample size. Consistency was the big issue I always had with US machine shops, and why we went to Japan.
Good feedback. Appreciate it!
For this Line-up. Spyder.
To echo others: Champion, Drill Hog, etc.
While I understand the frustration of wanting our bit to win I respect the fact that you were being honest to the end, hats off to you brother🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
I'm an ironworker, and at work we use Champion Brute XL5 bits, they drill very well and are made in the USA as well. If you're not too sore (or if you can convince your brother), I would love to see how they hold up against their American brethren. Great video!
Those are the ones I use as well. They haven’t steered me wrong, but I’d be willing to give Spyder a try as their hole saws are pretty good. As far as where a tool is made? Whenever possible, I try to have it made in Canada/USA.
You ever try out any Norsemen drill bits? Or the drillhog? These are USA made. Wonder how those compare to Champion Brute.
@@jtoker9758 I haven't, no
I used a couple spider bits for galvanized heavy Channel a couple years ago. They surprised the hell out of me. We were predrilling for wall panels, so we made a lot of holes with them.
Ryobi's kept breaking on me, im on internet trying to get replacements and saw your you tube video, ok Im buying Spyder from now on!!! Have to get from loews cant find on home depot site. Amazon doesnt have it only cheap ryobi. Thanks for testing !!!!!!!!!!!!
Always looking for quality made in USA tools and I’ll be looking for Spyder next time I need bits. Good reporting.
Bought the Spyder bits when they came out. Great for drilling metal. Expensive, but good bits.
Check out NOrsemen and drill hog
Im 💯% Spider been using ther circ saw,recip and jig saw blades for 2 years and very happy with them gona get a hole saw set and these blue asap
You’re gonna love their hole saws! I’ve never used any better. I love their quick eject extra long arbor, and nothing cuts better or outlasts their hole saws. .
@@fomoco300k yeah that eject is the holy grail
The shear will power to drill that Many holes and keep count. Is intense. Thank you for the comparison and the passion you have for tools
Thanks Brandon. Yeah, it was NOT fun. Just in case, we recorded EVERY HOLE in 4k for reference. Just so there wouldn't be any counting issues.
@@ToolShow just crazy. Your awesome
extremely thankful for the video! I was using Ryobi bits with lots of frustration and had no clue they are SO bad. Just bought Spyder to finish drilling steel that Ryobi was unable to do, and completed job in 5 min after spending 1h+ yesterday with Ryobi. The drilling effort you made is impressive but tells a story very well!
I just want to comment that when this video came out 2 years ago(wow!) I went out and bought the German DeWalt cobalt and the blue spyder bits. Im not using them every single day but they are all still incredibly sharp. My only complaint about the spyder is they don't stay put in magnetic collets (m12 installation driver offset head) but aside from that they are amazing. I use them for wood and they still deliver consistent, clean holes! The German DeWalt cobalt bits are incredible and i use them any time i drill through metal! Still going strong 2 years later!
Love to hear this!
Lowe's sells CLE-LINE bits & they are also made in the good old USA I wonder how they would compare?
The old saying quality over quantity. Thank you for the video, I learned a lot!
Would be interesting to see the montana brand. They are made in USA too.
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Yeah it does, I'll try Spyder next time.
I’m a Diablo guy but I’m going to look at Spyder now..
Excellent review, Drilling the point home, that there is a lot of inconsity in product production & performance. Seeing Spyder with those results is impressive and equally satisfying that it is American made. I did not know spyder made saw blades, that I am interested in.
Not all the spider products are made in the US. Paddle bits, circular saw blades, and reciprocating saw blades are made in China or Taiwan.
I tried the spyder drill bits to drill out a stripped lug nut. It didn't do very well. I ended up taking them back for a refund. The kobalt drill bits from lowes worked better and did the job I needed done.
Definitely the spyder. I bought two cases sets of them, because made in the USA.
More than made in the USA, which is very important to me, it's more about supporting independent and/or locally run companies IMO. The cost is almost always more, and in some cases way more, but I think its worth it to support those companies. The quality isn't always leaps and bounds ahead but its usually at least close to the top and that makes it worth it for me.
Really love this video it would be interesting to see more tests like this
Huh definitely some good food for thought with bits. Thanks for making this!
I mean performance can’t be ignored so I’d be inclined to go with the dewalt bit, but... that purple and blue lookin pretty good and it provides American jobs so maybe the spiders.
Bosch cobalt bit set is a great bit also. Thanks Der Guy.
That drill they're using is running at the optimum speed for drilling a 3/16" hole into mild steel. But you still need coolant to not overheat the bit. There are certainly metal alloys that are more heat tolerant than others are. Some grinds will produce less heat than others too. This test would have come out different on a drill press using coolant. As to why I'd buy cheap bits it's because they're cheap.
Dewalt bits are very cheap. I got a set for like $15. Haven't had any problems with them. I usually try to use cutting oil but it's not always convenient so I drilled a ton of holes on my trailer without it and the bit still cuts like new
This and pilot holes ,crayon wax like stick lube coolants. Keep bits locked away from glommers in company shop as well. Even the same! bits provided last 100x's, taken care of, longer then the ⅛ bits used by the 800 pound gorillas bouncing on the drill that's spun at 4,000 rpms.
Since different coatings are meant for different applications, and the most of my work is light to medium steel, I always go cobalt bits as they seem to last the longest, regardless of brand.
My particular favourite is actually the starrett holesaw pilot bit (I'm an electrician so most of my holes are 6mm anyways) £4 a bit
I have a Milwaukee cobalt index for when I need a particular size but risk snapping the bit. Cost £40
I have a hilti cobalt index that I've had for nearly 20years. Every bit is still razor sharp and will go through anything Ive ever come across,but the index cost over £200 for 35 bits, so it's only used if it happens to burn out a cheaper bit first
I'd choose the spyder time and time again after the impressive results and being made in the U.S. I'm very proud to see an American product laying down some numbers!
We are building our own home right now and Spyder brand bits were THE ONLY ones that could do some of the work that we had for more than 3-5 holes. I actually stopped using mine because it was getting dull while all of its competitors are laying on the ground broken.
Learning how to sharpen twist drill bits is a valuable skill. In a pinch you could do it with an angle grinder. A bench grinder is your best bet though.
When i say I want good reviews… This is what I am talking about!!!! Reviews that really matters… informative to the max. Thank you!!!
I have a Dewalt cobalt bit set. They have easily been the best bits I’ve ever used. I’m not as active with them as I’m sure some guys are, but they’ve drilled through things I never figured they would have lasted through. I’ve also only ever used bits you can get from big box until I bought the dewalt cobalt. So there may be better bits out there.
Have you tried drilling through wood with them? I was shocked at how rough they are. They pulled the drill so hard it smacks into the wood. Leaves splinters everywhere. Goes very fast. The Spyder and Milwaukee titanium bits I have I can use for finish carpentry because they are so smooth.
I used to work as a finish carpenter in commercial.
I bought the dewalt cobalt for pre drills on hollow metal doors, closers, frames etc.
I used to charge out the company for the dewalt black and gold because the purchasing person used to hate anyone who bought " needlessly expensive" bits.
I would charge them 5 to 1 for the cobalt and make nice profit, I even bought a bench grinder to sharpen them.
Hi rob, I understand your point, when I need to get the job done with ease, My go to is dewalt, I just hung a picture frame and I ordered the dewalt bit from Amazon, Lowe’s and hd didn’t have it, very interesting video ty, Bob,
Yeah spider blue drill bits are awesome. I saw a few early reviews and immediately went out and grabbed some. Well, tried to grab some. They were so new at lowes they were still in the freight box that hadn't been unpacked so I opened it and got me a box to purchase. They are some of the best bits I have used in a long time. That dont cost 100 per. I hope spider comes with a larger set in the future.
Someone finally did it. I’ve been waiting for a solid bit review!!! Looks like spider for me
Take a look at project farms reviews.
Wow that is some dedication to making a episode! Thanks for your hard work.
I would be happy with the DeWalt German bit, the Spyder, or the Milwaukee to be honest. How many batteries on the drill did you go through? Looking at set prices now for the Spyder and DeWalt.
To make sure a low battery was never a factor, we swapped them out after every 72 holes. They were usually down by one bar at that point.
I wish they made their cars as reliable as their tools. Great work!!
Those red helix cobalts are legit. By far the best I’ve used.
Fair play to you lads that was some amount of drilling, very interesting results well done 👏
Thanks Tommy. Really was a mountain of work, and I couldn't have done it without my brother.
Glad to see Spyder doing well with drill bits because my experience with their carbide hole saws in 304 stainless and even A36 hot rolled is the exact opposite - I got 0 holes from both a 1-1/2" and a 1" Spyder hole saw using a drill press to control speed (
Just bought the spyder drill bit set today. Looking forward to using them.
It needs to be noted that the Spyder bits are a coated High Speed Steel, and they did almost as good as the most expensive Cobalt bits. That is truly impressive! I feel like that's a very important distinction that should be highlighted. But the most surprising thing to me is that the DeWalt Titanium (a coated HHS) did just as good as the Spyder bits and are made in China, and cheaper. But, as you noted the quality control may be lacking, and you may not always get that performance. Over all a very cool test. Thanks for doing that!
But: titanium oxide is a coating, too. You did n't expect that, too much pressure and rpm ... burn the coating? Bit is done. I also use cutting lube, watching speed and pressure. Yes I do with crayon type lubes. Those hex shank bits are primarily used by householders in those 3.6 volt things. More expensive mfg. Aimed at a market with discernment and expectations. They will pay more because it fits their weak slow screwdriver.
I went and investigated at the store. As far as the Cobalt DeWalt, only the like medium to larger size s I made in Germany. The smaller sizes are made in Thailand according to the back of the packages. Not that that matters as long as they're effective.
Excellent video, straight to the point. Because of you showing this, I went and bought blue mach bits and drivers. I also bought several new saw blades, all Spyder. I bought Spyder blades for my jigsaw, my reciprocating saw (nice Spyder blade case) my miter saw and my table saw. In summary, this video printed me to buy over $300 worth of Spyder stuff. I did not know that they are all made in the USA. Great helpful video.
Ward, I'm glad you loved the video! But full disclosure, I know for a fact that not all of SPYDER's products are built here in the USA yet. They're working on it, which is more than I can say for many others. So you can support their efforts by buying their products for sure. But if you're only interested in spending money on Made In the USA, then you'll need to check the label on each SPYDER product you choose.
I do hope you get the same great life out of your SPYDER products, that we've got out of ours, and appreciate you supporting Made In The USA products. It's hard to do that with power tools, but there are many great bits, blades, and hand tools still made here.
@@ToolShow Got it, thank you.
Rob, this video is GREAT! All the things that make this channel so awesome!
Thanks Kevin! Greatly appreciate it bud.
THANKS, We needed that!
Would be interesting to break down the cost per hole drilled.
Great job comparing those and damn! Dewalt has some explaining to do!
Never would have expected these. Numbers!
I've always used Dewalt titanium bits. They're readily available and work the best for me.
I’ve stuck to Milwaukee cobalt bits and haven’t looked else ware but I might look in to the German made ones cause in my opinion if you want a precision tool you go Germany, American steel if better for heavy duty applications
Everyone probably gets their steel from China today. Germany sold their smelters to China years ago. I watched a video here of the Chinese dismantling the plant and carting it off.
All I use are the cobalt Milwaukee bits as well. They're sharp, they cut fast and are easily replaceable if one breaks. More expensive bits are great, just not after 5 o'clock and it needs to be done.
Matco Hyperstep drill bits are the best bits I've ever used. From the Mechanic side of drilling.
Thanks for the video and information! 😎😎🤓🤓
I think I will be switching to the Spyder's. I did start already, got me some of the augers for wood. They worked perfect.
Best drill bit video I've see. After watching this I went to Lowes and bought the Spyder bits.
Use them for a while, then come back and tell us how they did. Our testing was obviously very limited. The true test will come as pros continue to use them on the job. Glad you enjoyed the video!
How the drill bits after few time use??
Thanks for the review! I mostly use Ruko or Hilti Cobalt bits and some Milwaukee Titanium.
Sorry, but not sorry for the result - as a German. 😁
We don’t get Spyder bits over here, but I will definitely try the German DeWalt bits. Hope they’re just as good in metric.
May want to use a drill press with a fixed pressure, it makes significant different. The low pressure causes heat and kills the bit quite faster.
I'm not at all surprised by the results. I've bought a few sets of those Pilot Point DeWilts, and they are some bad mamajama's.. They punch holes in steel fast, like drilling through soft wood. And a they last a long long time. 100% worth the money. Excellent review!
I wish made in the USA was more common. The quality is much higher standards here. Which is why the prices go up. Made in the USA meant quality. Today is all about money. It's sad.
In the job site, we spend hours working with junk, throwing junk away and getting new. We are now programed this way. I'm a firm believer of quality tools. You pay for what you get.
Amen 😎🐔😎🐔😎
Preach it brother.
Having made tools in the USA I can assure you that you're paying for a lot that you don't get too. We filled our scrap bin up fast.
@@1pcfred you are correct. The limitations we have on recycling materials is pretty harsh. And in ways it is much cleaner (for us) to have another country to do it abroad. But in reality it's still our planet that we share the same air. Over time it won't make any difference.
@@PFab I was just thinking the same thing before you said it. But NIMBY and out of sight, out of mind do exist. Still, we could do the hard things better here if we had the will to do them. We cannot force the far east to do them better. Oh well, I guess low price wins every time.
Had an old man sharpen black oxide bits for years at a shop i used to work for. They were sharp enough for the job and lasted for many holes using cutting oil. Bit sharpening is a lost art. We tried a drill doctor. But the cuts were inconsistent anything under a 5/16
I remember the first hole I ever tried to drill too. No oil, cordless drill at random migrating odd angles, with undoubtedly a wide variety of pressure managed by how quick your arms started trembling with exhaustion. It may not matter though, the drill bit tips are clearly going fast enough to break the sound barrier; you can see the shock wave from the sonic boom pass through the puddles of molten steel. All this without a pilot hole. You would have been more correct if you claimed to be tig welding with drill bits, but cutting metal holes with them. Using your method to cut holes, a router would work better. They are even faster and more wobbly.
I loved this review, thanks for making it! I would go with Spyder. American made is very important to me...
As an American man. Ive always been intrigued by german engineering and specifically german made tools. Not sure why exactly, i just think germans + metal = badassery. Thats why i have a good selection of American tools and German tools.
Yes it means that much, glad to hear it did good
Thank you for throwing up the major brands against something made in the USA and letting us see who takes the cake. I will gladly buy Spyder bits over any of the others now
Awesome video! So interesting to see the varying results from different brands. I wouldn't say it's fair to compare something made from high speed steel with something made from cobalt steel. Though it's interesting that a cobalt drill only did 75 more holes than a high speed steel bit.
I also wish a drill press with a weight system was used to make sure this was absolutely scientific, but I know I'm a little obsessive.
I want to see Spyder make a cobalt bit with their blue coating! I own these Mach Blue drill bits, and they are phenomenal. Feels great to support an American business and keep the jobs here! Keep it up Spyder and B&B!
I'm familiar with that blue coating from lathe and mill tools; I think you would see some interesting results if you retested your top two contenders in hardened tool steel!
Why are you trying to machine hardened tool steel? You're supposed to machine steel and then harden it.
@@1pcfred modifications to existing parts.
@@matthewperlman3356 you're asking to do something that is inherently difficult to do. There are ways of doing it but none are easy.
@@1pcfred that is the point. If the spiders are using the coating I believe the are, you won't see the difference until you push the nearest competitor to it's limits regarding hardness. At least a non hardened tool steel which a good cobalt but should do but not for long. I believe that with this coating the spiders will actually cut hardened tool steel. I do suggest using a drill press for this test though.
@@matthewperlman3356 I think a lot of what we saw here could be described as an edge use case. There are a lot of factors that determine if a drilling operation is successful or not. It is not as simple as chuck a bit up and go. I know if it were me and I couldn't get a bit to bore a single hole I'd be looking at the tip very closely to try to determine what is going wrong. Some bits do come with bad grinds that stop them from working. Some bits are made out of poor steel too though. I sharpen bits so I'm not a big believer in coatings. The coating is gone first time a bit gets sharpened. I guess the coating can help the margin some?
Please do more of these types of reviews. Especially the ones nobody has ever done before!
DeWalt gold tips drill bits do me great never had a problem with them and can always buy them on sale at least 6 times a year
I didn't know they were made in America that's all I'm going to buy from now on. Thank you for sharing great information.
Yes we need to pay to get dependable products and I'll be getting both 1st and 2nd top winners hopefully both works as I've got 01 unhardened knives and chisel to build. Big Thanks so showing.
Wow 😯 Great test, full of surprises!
2021 Dewalt has been kicking ass, good. The more companies competing, the better the product will be and the lower the price will drop. The result is that we all as consumers win.
You cannot beat the Germans for engineering. Great video is good to see a honest review of the popular drill bits.
I agree. The Knipex brand is one we don't compete with really.
@@PFab Do you have Knipex drill bits? Where do they sell those? Scam-A-Zon?
@@paedahe4975 I meant knipex tools. Never seen drill bits
@@PFab I know brother. Just razzin you.
@@paedahe4975 I was curious to see if I was wrong. So I did a quick Google search. All images pull up just hand tools. Nothing powered. No bits either
I will definitely by the spider bits. They are made in the USA. Also they have the quick change 1/4".
Don't care where it's made. As long as the performance is there, I'm happy.
Thank you for making such a thorough comparison!
Came here from the Torque Test Channel. Pretty good review, but no KnKut?
I drill a lot of HSS and boron steel doing auto collision repair. The twelve pack of 1/8" double ended bits from KnKut and a Drill Doctor are very good friends of mine. So is my Milwaukee 2703-20, but that's splitting hairs.
KnKut. Made in the USA.
Thanks for the insight Egghead! Hope you’re more gruntled in the morning!
I really like your test...I will reach out to see what other cutting tool tests you are planning.
Thanks for making this boring video, not boring.
I've had terrible times with 1/4 shank drill bits breaking off the mounting shank , until red helix. For straight bits I prefer DeWalt pilot point. The black oxide bits are great also. I've had German made bits go dull, and break, as fast as the Chinese made ones. I've had TIN coated Chinese made bit last longer. I've had dollar store black oxide bits work just as good as the Ryobi bits. At first I was a little skeptical at the aluminum looking mounting shanks of the Spyder. Now I'll consider them. Still love the DeWalt bits. The moral of the story is... to stay clear away from Ryobi bits.
If I am needing bits for metal work (drill press), I have Drill Hog jobber or Norseman bits (made in USA). For most other portable drill bits, I've a set of DeWalt brad points and some titaniums (not sure if China, but I know that I've busted atleast several of the 3/8 and smaller all the time. I mean, I want a pilot for a small screw, 1/8 or so, its got a 50-50 chance of breaking.
I have used the living hell out of norseman bits in the machine shop. I need a full index for at home! I
Had a job on a mill, that required us drilling 3/8 holes into a casting. The holes were then machined to accept carbide cutter teeth for a rock trencher. I dont know what the castings were made of but the only drill bits that would last were guhring bits. We were destroying solid carbide bits in two or three holes. We started changing bits every 2 parts with the guhrings.
This is one ifnmy favourite tool review videos. Top job.
Greatly appreciate that!
Great video. I have a lot of bits including Spyder. I’m throwing all my bits out except for the Spyders or if I have any of the German Dewalts. I’m amazed at the the difference in performance of bits. I’m subscribed now.
I can understand supporting the locals if they make quality.
That’s why I prefer Oz made Sutton bits.
Glad I just snagged a whole drill bit kit for like $30 from Lowe’s, maybe it was less or a few bucks more but it is nice to see which bits out there to not even bother buying and which ones might last me quite awhile, to where one bit could last me years of how often I use them
Wow now this is true dedication 1000's of holes to see who was the best. Yes Made in U.S.A means alot to most ppl I know & work with or around. It means we are helping support our ppl here at home. You don't see patriotic people anymore they don't love this country.
Spyder all day. 1. It’s a quality made in the USA bit. 2. It’ll last me decades now that I’m semi-retired. 3. They can be sharpened. 👍🏽 It’s the metals used and angles of blade surfaces that count. It has both. 👍🏽
Based on your video, I purchased a Dewalt 1/2 inch bit made in Germany. Drilling though approx 3/8 inch snow plow. Used cutting oil and drilled one hole and got though about 1/2 of the 2nd one with a lot of difficulty. Totally disappointed!
Bill that SUCKS. As you saw in the beginning of our test, the consistency of inexpensive bits is terrible, but that doesn't mean the expensive bits are completely immune. If you'd be willing to do a bit of testing, I'd be happy to send you HD gift card so you could buy a couple more of those DeWALTs, and see if they fail as well. Just email me at rob at toolshow dot com and we'll talk.
Leads us back to the age-old American Muscle vs. German muscle.
I bought a spider 1/8” and it’s my go to bit for my pilot holes.
I appreciate your looking for American made but HMT turbo tips are simply insanely good!
Never heard of those before now Gareth! Found a few videos and they look incredible! Thanks for pointing them out!
I have a set of Norseman drill bit 44170 for work. There made in the us as well. They are fantastic.
Try some Norseman bits. Made in USA. Used it on SS and inconel. give it a try
Even if the spyder was beat out by 15%, I think that really could be inconclusive, as given the variation I'm sure bit to bit variation could be still a fair amount even with the higher quality bit. I think the takeaway is that both the german made dewault bit and the spyder are good buys tho
That variation issue really needs to be addressed with some VERY time-consuming, and VERY expensive testing. I might be up to testing the top Spyder, DeWALT and Milwaukee from our tests. I'll have to see how many examples of each we bought. But I agree. Any bit that CAN do 200+ holes (this was some seriously hard metal) is pretty spectacular.
Awesome video! That was a different approach from most and i think thats a good thing. It definitely showed the B&B personality in it especially with the final results. Keep up the awesome work and hopefully you can squeeze in more of these from time to time.
Thanks bud. :)
I never would have used even a cheap drill bit like that. I always use the center punch and cutting oil and I always check and file tips first, even on brand new bits but..... that's just me
As we've stated elsewhere, we were aiming to treat the bits like we expect most people to use them when they bring them home from Home Depot or Lowes. But I admire your dedication to doing it right.
I have not read the zillion comments, but cleveland twist and or the greenfield drill bit names used to be good, I cannot quantify if they are still top tier, but they have traditionally been much better hands down than the box store junk, I freely admit i have not done any major drill purchases in walk in stores, and I'm sure there are some half decent ones out there like in the video, but if you want good stuff ask ask old time machinists what they order. This may be outside the parameters of your test, but just thought I would offer the folks out there some more options