Baking With $48 Vs $12 Chocolate

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  • "$12 chocolate is like watching Transformers. $48 chocolate is like watching a Christopher Nolan film."
    0:00 Intro
    1:03 Comparing the chocolate
    3:04 Chocolate chip cookies
    5:50 Brownies
    9:42 Chocolate tart
    13:15 Cookie tasting
    14:48 Brownie tasting
    15:42 Tart tasting
    16:30 Answer time
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 545

  • @Emma-td8bb
    @Emma-td8bb 2 роки тому +1510

    Wait the Lindt is the cheap one? 😂😂

    • @starcloak
      @starcloak 2 роки тому +56

      On the high-end of the spectrum maybe... 🤷‍♂️

    • @mistythompson1398
      @mistythompson1398 2 роки тому +25

      My thoughts exactly. Lol

    • @DISJENDJEN
      @DISJENDJEN 2 роки тому +18

      In France it cost nothing

    • @anujchandkapoor
      @anujchandkapoor 2 роки тому +40

      I was thinking of the same thing. I live in Singapore so i guess everything is expensive. Ha ha

    • @Jx0592
      @Jx0592 2 роки тому +12

      @@anujchandkapoor ikrrr if I get that chocolate my mom compalins that I wasted money on unnecessary atas thingsss

  • @dinasawlani
    @dinasawlani 2 роки тому +504

    This isn't really a comparison between different price ranges of chocolate, but two different VARIETIES of chocolate. The Lindt is an "eating" chocolate with a composition aimed at creating a smooth and luxurious taste, experience and mouthfeel for CONSUMERS. The Valrhona is a premium couverture chocolate, I'm assuming with a medium fluidity, specifically formulated for PROFESSIONAL APPLICATION in bakery and pâtisserie products. The question is actually: do you need to spend on professional quality couverture or can you use regular "consumer" chocolate in your home bakes? This is where the difference in the spread of the Lindt chunks vs Valrhona fèves and the consistency of the ganache comes into play. Valrhona is known to have a lower percentage of both cocoa butter and sugar.
    There are different qualities of couverture as well. F.e. in the Callebaut family of products you could use either the premium Callebaut or the lower priced Van Houten. And yes there is a difference in texture and mouthfeel between the two - Callebaut is discernibly more luxurious and smoother than the Van Houten.

    • @CleaSelene
      @CleaSelene 2 роки тому +29

      THANK YOU!!! I was looking for someone to have explained this so I don't have to keep yelling at my screen 😅

    • @dinasawlani
      @dinasawlani 2 роки тому +15

      @@CleaSelene I was seriously cringing throughout the entire video 🙈

    • @CleaSelene
      @CleaSelene 2 роки тому +25

      @@dinasawlani Same. And my Swiss partner next to me kept screaming "That's not what tempered means!" and "Has he never heard of conching? It's literally Lindt's Thing™️!" 😆. I think I personally wouldn't have even minded that much if it had been approached as just "let's just see how these 2 things behave" - but the utterly uninformed guesses at explanations reeeeeally bugged me.

    • @angelinaoliver5587
      @angelinaoliver5587 2 роки тому +3

      Very good point 💯

    • @GingerNinjaJ05
      @GingerNinjaJ05 2 роки тому

      You get no bitches

  • @Rayvana
    @Rayvana 2 роки тому +727

    I would say that if Valhrona is high end chocolate, Lindt is mid range - it's definitely not cheap chocolate. You could do a comparison of Valhrona vs Lindt vs Hershey chunks/chips/bar or even the chocolate pieces you can buy in bulk (in Canada it'd be the Bulk Barn) and see if you can clearly distinguish the difference. As others have said, the size of the pieces going into the bake made the clear difference in the cookies and brownies - the Valhrona pieces were bigger and denser while a Lindt bar is a very thin bar that gets much smaller when you cut it up. If you buy chips/chunks or chocolate wafers in bulk, most people would use them as is.

    • @AbrasiveTea
      @AbrasiveTea 2 роки тому +6

      I can say the mass produced chocolates, Hersheys, Toll House and Ghirardelli, all are a significant downgrade from Lindt. This is I’ve course personal I just used to work the pre made chips and now I use Lindt. I remember the first time I tried it there was enough of a difference that now my mom makes fun of me calling me a chocolate snob. I will have to try Valrhona though

    • @mstraction
      @mstraction 2 роки тому +17

      gee...and all the time I thought I was being fancy using Nestle semi sweet chocolate chips...

    • @AbrasiveTea
      @AbrasiveTea 2 роки тому +1

      @@mstraction No problem with using those. I did for a long time. It really was just experimenting that changed my cookie recipe. Now I use brown butter nicer chocolate and other upgrades. Let’s be honest chocolate chip cookies are great

    • @dowfreak7
      @dowfreak7 2 роки тому +2

      I would've loved to see him gag at the "not actually chocolate" Hershey's stuff.
      Not sure if Alvin grew up in the States, but if he didn't even the smell of Hershey's would be nauseating to him. That would be a proper "cheap chocolate".

    • @Appaddict01
      @Appaddict01 3 місяці тому

      @@AbrasiveTeaI like Ghirardelli bittersweet chocolate chips best value IMO. They won America’s Test Kitchen taste test.

  • @mahnoorali4102
    @mahnoorali4102 2 роки тому +265

    love how the inexpensive choice is still out of my price range. bestie im using hershey's chocolate chips

    • @andreyrass1393
      @andreyrass1393 2 роки тому +9

      The chocolate chips I find here are always more expensive than just chopping up a bar of chocolate, so you can maybe save even more money by buying cheap chocolate bars and chopping them than using chips. Lindt is also out of my price range 😂

  • @DKsilverghost
    @DKsilverghost 2 роки тому +594

    This is quickly becoming my comfort channel to watch. The videos are just so cozy and relaxing to watch.

    • @isikonal
      @isikonal 2 роки тому +3

      yep my before to sleep reward

    • @sebastiendion1374
      @sebastiendion1374 2 роки тому +1

      This is my comfort channel it’s so calming

  • @coachsteve.
    @coachsteve. 2 роки тому +502

    The Valrhona 3 kilo (6.6lb) bags go for $100. You are getting a raw deal if you are paying $48/lb. Definitely shop around for a better price. Even on Amazon @ $119 right now, that's $18/lb.

    • @davidf760
      @davidf760 2 роки тому +67

      Gotta have that nice clickbait

    • @baryonicmatter8993
      @baryonicmatter8993 2 роки тому +17

      I am glad someone said it! I was thinking it was perhaps just me being in EU.

    • @AlexJora134
      @AlexJora134 2 роки тому +58

      @@baryonicmatter8993 That's what I was thinking too. I'm in the EU and did a price comparison: Lindt 100g bar vs Valrona 3kg bag. It's 12.4 $/lb vs 12.5$/lb.

    • @IronChefDesi
      @IronChefDesi 2 роки тому +9

      Whole Foods sells Valrona at $17 a pound.

    • @isaackurian4127
      @isaackurian4127 2 роки тому +10

      He bought the valrhona‘s premium

  • @feliciat3077
    @feliciat3077 2 роки тому +410

    would be cool if other ATE members had a taste test to see if they could identify which product is made with the more expensive chocolate.

    • @vmrvn2998
      @vmrvn2998 2 роки тому +4

      yeah true but he lives in ny and the only other ate member that lives in ny is inga :/ andrew and rie live in LA

  • @veronikalaskova4716
    @veronikalaskova4716 2 роки тому +305

    the pools of chocolate are simply because of the size of the chunks. The more expensive chocolate was chopped more roughly, the lindt block is naturally thinner and when you chop it even more your expensive chunks will be 2x the size of lindt. Also, Lindt is NOT an inexpensive chocolate. It is expensive, just not ridiculously so.

    • @RohitRaj-qu9qv
      @RohitRaj-qu9qv 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly.
      Personally I think that in case of Valrona you're just paying a lot more Royalty money .
      Sure it's better and expensive, a huge portion of that Expensive pricetag just Goes to the Royality Factor . Hence the crazy price .

    • @alenanela1743
      @alenanela1743 2 роки тому +2

      But you can see the actual corners and edges of the Lindt pieces, as well as pattern from the chocolate bar itself. Lindt didn’t melt, whereas the Vahlrona chocolate pieces didn’t maintain the circular feve shape but melted completely, even bubbling on the surface.

    • @delormerr
      @delormerr 2 роки тому +12

      It's because Valrhona is couverture and Lindt is not! :)

    • @alenanela1743
      @alenanela1743 2 роки тому +3

      @@delormerr exactly! I was disagreeing with the person who said it was due to the shape of the chunks. It is the cocoa butter percentage (if I'm not mistaken)

    • @KaswekaKayonde
      @KaswekaKayonde 2 роки тому +3

      When he said Lindt is cheap chocolate, I felt it 🤣 it's not crazy expensive but definitely not cheap.

  • @teehua
    @teehua 2 роки тому +240

    The shiny top on brownies is achieved by liquifying the sugar in the batter, not from aerating the eggs. There's a common misconception that aerating the batter achieves the shiny top only because whipping the eggs longer with the sugar eventually melts/liquifies the sugar. Your brownies look a bit overmixed like you said as there are tunnels in them. I suggest mixing by hand next time and seeing if that improves your results!

    • @milfski2743
      @milfski2743 2 роки тому +17

      yea adam ragusea made a great video on it

    • @nisrinanurfitri5575
      @nisrinanurfitri5575 2 роки тому +1

      ah makes sense, so that's why it's recommended to use caster sugar instead of regular granulated because it melts faster

    • @Kaonashineko
      @Kaonashineko 2 роки тому +2

      I saw him not swap to the wooden spoon for the flour ;-; definitely over beat the gluten

    • @dodgeball28
      @dodgeball28 2 роки тому

      I thought brownies have too little flour for it to cause problems with overmixing. I guess I was wrong. :(

    • @dinasawlani
      @dinasawlani 2 роки тому +13

      Exactly. Obvious overmixing of the batter. This whole video is based on a convoluted premise - comparing commercial "eating" chocolate to professional quality couverture on the basis of price alone and not composition and application. I would recommend he reads some Paula Figoni - How Baking Works.

  • @QuargCooper
    @QuargCooper 2 роки тому +445

    It seems like the differences in the cookies and the brownies are potentially down to the shape of the chocolate. More fine shards when you chop the thick chocolate, so it enters the dough (leads to more spreading as it melts), more concentrated pockets of chocolate in the final cookie (which bubble up and spread), thicker chunks in the brownie (leading to the snap as there is more resistance) and so on.
    It would be nice if you could do a similar comparison for similarly shaped chocolates, and with an actual cheap chocolate (Lindt is already a premium product!), of a similar cocoa content (maybe dark chocolate for Lindt). Then see if there is a difference beyond the flavour differences in the chocolate.
    Just a few thoughts, I love these videos, and this channel (and love your channel too Alvin!), it would have been nice to try and isolate some more variables.
    I'm sure the overall conclusions would be the same though!

    • @delormerr
      @delormerr 2 роки тому +5

      It's because Valrhona is couverture and Lindt is not :)

    • @oxoelfoxo
      @oxoelfoxo 2 роки тому +1

      The Lindt is dark at 70%. the Valrhona was 72% so the difference isn't too much. but since the Lindt is made for eating, I bet they formulated/processed it more to be melt-in-your-mouth.

  • @lailaes802
    @lailaes802 2 роки тому +40

    where i'm from Lindt IS the fancy chocolate

    • @andreacapani2170
      @andreacapani2170 2 роки тому +1

      Well you don't find the other kind at supermarkets

  • @MelwasSmallAdventures
    @MelwasSmallAdventures 2 роки тому +112

    I bet the Vahlrona chocolate got more % of cocoa butter, a quality liked by us chocolatiers who make bonbons and chocolate bars. The butter sets up firmer in the fridge and melts faster in the oven. I prefer Felchlin chocolates, also grand cru versions and has a very good policy for farmers and workers. ❤️

    • @Apoz
      @Apoz 2 роки тому +6

      Yeah exactly, that's why I often prefer cheaper white/milk chocolate over pure chocolate. The cocoa butter content on cheap chocolate is often so low. And that's actually the good part about chocolate. Cocoa is hit or miss, it can be bitter often even in expensive chocolate.
      The chocolate which I prefer is really rare, 30-65% cocoa, 30-50% cocoa butter, 20% sugar max. Most pure chocolates have soo much sugar to ofsett the bitterness. And 80%+ pure chocolate is just ridiculous, they often lack cocoa butter.

  • @antoinebarraud7754
    @antoinebarraud7754 2 роки тому +142

    You definitely should use Lindt dark chocolate made for desserts. The one you are using isn’t a good item for comparaison w/ the Valrhoma, as u said it’s tempered differently ! Plus the dessert one is even cheaper and way better for cooking

    • @hannahfyy
      @hannahfyy 2 роки тому +1

      what is the name of the lindt chocolate made for desserts? upon googling I saw it said the excellance line which is the one he used so I wasn't sure if there was another king. thank you :D

    • @antoinebarraud7754
      @antoinebarraud7754 2 роки тому +4

      @@hannahfyy it's called Lindt desserts 70% but I googled it and I think it's only European :(

    • @stfrodric
      @stfrodric 2 роки тому +1

      @@antoinebarraud7754 It's the Lindt 70% Dark cooking chocolate here in the US I think

  • @jessicawang3387
    @jessicawang3387 2 роки тому +34

    Hey Alvin, so the thinner consistency in the Araguani is because it's a couverture (coating) chocolate that's used for chocolate work (more cocoa butter, therefore more expensive). Valrhona is also single origin and organic as well. It's also in the "feve"/bean shape to make sure that it melts evenly and properly. As a pastry chef, I only use Valrhona since it's a better couverture than the other brands (CB, Callebaut, etc). And you can taste the difference in Valrhona's chocolate. Give the milk chocolate a try (Jivara versus Bahibe), or their white chocolate a try (opalys versus ivoire) if you get a chance. I hated chocolate for the longest time until I was introduced to Valrhona when I went into the industry. You can't go back once having their chocolate. Btw, since you're based in NYC, try seeing if you can get your chocolate with Baldor. I know they used to have home deliveries during the pandemic. You might be able to get a decent price with that purveyor.

    • @kuchenfee
      @kuchenfee 2 роки тому +2

      Yahoo, pastry Chef here too. Thanks for explainiig the difference, that way i dont have too 👍🏼😊

    • @ranma9823
      @ranma9823 2 роки тому +1

      I would love to watch your kitchen vlogs if you ever go that route, but working in the kitchen must keep you busy! I can tell you're very knowledgeable.

  • @nicole46980
    @nicole46980 2 роки тому +47

    actually tempering makes the melting temp higher. tempering doesn't make the chocolate high quality but it does make it a good eating chocolate which is what lindtt is (you dont want your chocolate bar melting in your hands while you're eating it). i'm guessing your extra fancy chocolate isn't tempered so as to be more flexible (you want it to melt easily in some situations)

    • @pucciann
      @pucciann 2 роки тому +1

      Exactly

    • @usagi9789
      @usagi9789 2 роки тому

      but doesn't tempering make the chocolate taste better/more rich as well, by melting the cocoa butter

  • @emalinel
    @emalinel 2 роки тому +15

    Hi Alvin! As others have noted the harder snap from the Valhrona does not have to do with tempering. Why? Because the chocolate is NOT tempered. Appearance alone shows it's untempered (tempered chocolate looks smooth, glossy, not dusty in appearance). The Valhrona you have is untempered couveture chocolate (which usually is how couveture chocolate is shipped in it's raw form, so it can be tempered or melted down for several uses)
    I'd suspect the texture difference of the Valhrona in your desserts is really the shape and size of the feves you cut them into your desserts. And for the tart, I'd suspect the texture difference is more the components of the chocolate in each of the samples. Valhrona doesn't use any additional cocoa butter in it's feves (therefore making a harder set when it cools again), while Lindt does have additional cocoa butter (which produces a softer melt in your mouth set). I may be wrong through, just doing a quick judgement call based on ingredients.
    Hope this clarifies some information in the video!

    • @nezbut7
      @nezbut7 2 роки тому +1

      this makes a lot of sense to me about things i was wondering! thank you

    • @jessicawang3387
      @jessicawang3387 2 роки тому

      Hey, actually the valrhona he has is already tempered and crystallized. :)

    • @oxoelfoxo
      @oxoelfoxo 2 роки тому

      I checked the definition of couverture and sources said it has more cocoa butter than eating chocolate, that's why it's more fluid when warm but harder when crystallized and so is best for dipping.

    • @Matt-dt2bq
      @Matt-dt2bq 5 місяців тому +1

      In addition to what you said, even if the Valrhona WAS tempered, this is irrelevant to the product he makes after he’s melted them both at high temp, undoing any previous tempering

  • @ImagineStory-rw5ks
    @ImagineStory-rw5ks 2 роки тому +31

    Here’s the takeaway:
    1. Desserts that have chocolate in them but a lot of other ingredients like brownies and cakes, I wouldn’t use expensive chocolate. Unless if you’re rich, it wouldn’t be that much of a difference. Lindt is a pretty good brand to use compared to other brands of chocolate on the supermarket.
    2. If you’re baking something that has less ingredients and mostly chocolate, yeah, go for a more expensive, better quality chocolate. It doesn’t have to be expensive like Vahlrona. If you don’t have the money, a Lindt bar with a darker percentage, which is more bitter will also work. I do think Valrhona might have a more complex flavor than say a 85 percent Lindt, which is just more bitter than a 70 percent bar.
    3. It’s all down to preference. Unless if you’re a chocolate connoisseur and have a delicate taste palate, I don’t think it’s worth it to buy extremely expensive 50 plus dollars worth of chocolate. I would recommend using something like Guittard, it’s good quality, a bit pricier than other brands, but still affordable. If you can’t find it Lindt will also work. It’s still considered expensive and premium chocolate by many people anyways.
    I also think the taste test should be done more accurately. Maybe call in a few people blind folded to see if there’s much of a difference. That way there is no bias. Also comparing it to variety of other chocolate brands on the market.

    • @faithnelson6069
      @faithnelson6069 2 роки тому

      i just recommended the Guittard as well and if you want to buy from their company directly, you'll discover hundreds of different chocolates.......Girardelli's milk chocolate is my favorite milk chocolate though.

  • @nicolebabior8549
    @nicolebabior8549 2 роки тому +105

    dark chocolate is so worth splurging on

  • @anthonyisensee
    @anthonyisensee 2 роки тому +10

    Hello! Just a note that, much like coffee, the descriptive words on the bag (raisins, chestnuts, etc.) aren't added ingredients or flavors. They're a code for the flavor profile! (Acidity, sweetness, earthiness, etc.) James Hoffman has a great video on this, specifically for coffee, but I believe equally applicable. (Beginners Guide to Buying Great Coffee, skip to "Descriptors" section).

  • @murcuryjenny
    @murcuryjenny 2 роки тому +172

    It would be interesting to compare “cheap” chocolate from the supermarket. How do they compare, which is better for cookies etc

    • @imbilta
      @imbilta 7 місяців тому

      No need to compare with the supermarket. It's just simply unacceptable quality for non-american standard.

  • @teabagfc
    @teabagfc 2 роки тому +22

    Lindt is his cheap chocolate?
    Lindt is my *fancy* chocolate when I'm baking!

    • @oxoelfoxo
      @oxoelfoxo 2 роки тому

      Did he call it cheap in the video? Because at least the title only says $12 chocolate. Lindt is certainly not cheap

  • @ewiken5529
    @ewiken5529 2 роки тому +32

    A candy bar VS single origin chocolate are two completely different animals. Additionally, they use different sugars with the valrhona using brown sugar. Combine with the size/structure of the chocolate, hard to objectively compare. Comes down to subjectivity and preferences. Great video nonetheless, definitely need to incorporate more tarts in my life!

  • @davidfadden7948
    @davidfadden7948 2 роки тому +18

    I'd love to see more of these types of videos. Cheap vs Expensive ingredient. Maybe Vanilla next. Store brand pure vanilla extract vs high end vanilla extract/paste

  • @aprlshowers
    @aprlshowers 2 роки тому +53

    Something I've noticed about chocolate is that everyone has a preference in quality. Generally, if you grew up with higher quality chocolate, you can't stand lower quality. But those who grew up with lower quality will take whatever. At least, in my experience. So it's really about preference, like you say!

  • @sofiamarten7594
    @sofiamarten7594 2 роки тому +108

    it made me so happy to hear "I'll probably go to the gym to use up all this extra energy" instead of "I have to burn these calories off" :)

  • @liviareim6654
    @liviareim6654 2 роки тому +62

    This is so funny to me! Where I'm from Lindt chocolate is considered a high end product, it's so expensive! Regardless, watching this made me want some dessert 🤤

    • @thomson4247
      @thomson4247 2 роки тому +11

      Same here, really odd to see it compared as a lower quality chocolate. The chcolate I use for baking is less than £2.00

    • @kyrasmit8266
      @kyrasmit8266 2 роки тому +4

      The chocolate I use for baking is €0,45 for 100 grams. But honestly I love the flavor. I only use more expansive chocolate for the higher cocoa percentage if I need that (like for brownies or chocolate cake) but even then I try not to go for bars that cost more than €2,00

    • @palomathereptilian
      @palomathereptilian 2 роки тому +2

      Yes, here in Brazil that Lindt bar costs around R$25, dependending of the place you are buying ofc
      It's a lot more expensive than some chocolate bars that cost around R$5 to R$8
      (And no, R$25 isn't cheap for us and not everyone can afford that here)

    • @palomathereptilian
      @palomathereptilian 2 роки тому

      I can't even imagine how much the 48 dollar package must cost here... But since I'm not a huge fan of dark chocolate myself I don't think I would buy that one

  • @carlam4986
    @carlam4986 2 роки тому +78

    The chocolate tart is almost $50 dollars to make at home with the Valrhona, that's a bit steep. I'd rather use darker Lindt (85-90%) and make two tarts.

    • @loriki8766
      @loriki8766 2 роки тому +32

      Lindt is delicious. I'm not really convinced that the difference would be noticeable in baked goods. I'd like to see some independent blind taste-testing. I suspect there was bias involved in the tasting.

    • @fabe61
      @fabe61 2 роки тому +9

      @@loriki8766 My dad uses valrhona in his cooking (well, baking) for a supper club, and I've done blind taste tests with other chocolates over the years. It does taste different, in much the same way that all chocolates taste different. But to get the valrhona flavour, you have to buy valrhona, and it turns out the valrhona flavour is really desireable - it's high quality chocolate produced without cutting any corners.
      I'm not that hot on dark chocolate, though, so if I was baking for myself I'd never spend four times the money for a better version of something that I'm not over the moon for already. However, valrhona do make another type of chocolate called Caramelia and it's utterly, utterly delicious. I'd not had chocolate that tasted so good before then, and I haven't since. It had that amazing, creamy sweetness which I associate with supermarket high-end chocolate like Lindt or Lindor, but faultless in ways the other two aren't. No noticable oilyness, sweet but not cloying, a caramel flavour that isn't complex simply because it is bitter or 'burnt'. I'd deffinitely pay more for that, especially for a special occasion.
      All of this is also to say nothing of the fact that Valrhona is ultimately professional-oriented chocolate, where ingridient costs often outstrip those a homecook would face, and also it is important that the chocolate be easy to work with, predictable and consistent, and which enables chefs to get the best results possible (via whatever chocolate chemistry/magic they use). Chefs tend not to be poncy people, and there's a reason this chocolate is seen across lots of the best restaurants in Europe - it isn't simply pretense. Also, diminishing returns on price vs quality is a constant across all kinds of food and when it is worth paying more or less is a relative and subjective distinction, even if we all agree on what it tastes like.

    • @loriki8766
      @loriki8766 2 роки тому +6

      @@fabe61 I'm not doubting Valrhona is far more delicious than Lindt. I only doubting that the average person would be able to detect the difference in baked goods. The video I was hoping to see was one that presented the treats to people who haven't eaten your desserts before in such a way that it was not obvious which chocolate was used - served on identical plates marked "A" and "B" or something. Then they describe what they are tasting and which they like better.
      I make yummy treats for my family. No matter what else they eat, my treats are my kids favorites and they can differentiate what I make vs what someone else does blindfolded. BUT other families have their treats that they like better than mine. We all have our biases. I can tell you that me and my family know the best way to make cupcakes delicious and that all my friends agree. Of course they do. If my friend I like is giving me yummy treats and we're having a great time together then of course I'm going to find the stuff they're giving me to be the most delicious.
      I'm a data driven person. SO to prove to people like me that there's a difference in taste, quality, texture, etc... We would enjoy seeing people who haven't enjoyed your treats before do the taste tests without knowing which is which and having someone serve them that doesn't know which is which until after they've rendered their verdict to eliminate unconscious bias.

    • @M3gart0443
      @M3gart0443 2 роки тому

      @@loriki8766 well you might be surprised but even in my country indonesia, people can noticed the different taste of valrhona and cheaper chocolate in baking goods. Only the price that stop people from use it for daily bakings.

    • @dinasawlani
      @dinasawlani 2 роки тому +1

      There are lower priced couverture brands available such as Van Houten. Same fluidity as the premium brands, not as smooth or luxurious perhaps, but definitely great quality and satisfactory application in baked goods.

  • @martincorriveau
    @martincorriveau 2 роки тому +51

    I remember being in pastry school and using the Valrhona chocoalte to make our higher end cakes and desserts and it was so good.

  • @skynet40433
    @skynet40433 2 роки тому +89

    I'm not sure if this is also true for brownies also, but cakes and cookies will fall if the eggs are over whipped. Also, now I need a 6lb bag of chocolate in my life. 🤤
    ...and look at those PERFECT chocolate chip cookies... That is a man who KNOWS COOKIES!!! 🥛🍪✨

    • @jayhom5385
      @jayhom5385 2 роки тому +1

      hahah. Problem is around here that bag might disappear before the cooking happens.

    • @Fredberger25
      @Fredberger25 2 роки тому +7

      @@jmax8692 grow your punctuation, it’s really not that hard

    • @28rizzons
      @28rizzons 2 роки тому

      @@Fredberger25 you missed a period at the end of your sentence. /j

  • @citybeige99
    @citybeige99 2 роки тому

    I just wanted to say that i love your videos, and i appreciate the depth and quality of the content you upload. thank you for amazing videos!

  • @dishen4140
    @dishen4140 2 роки тому +9

    Week 3 of asking Andrew to cook for his next part in the series of : I cooked 25 pound of... Please use carrots and have your mom make you the carrot cake u have eaten for every year on your birthday and if possible please make 'Gajar ka halwa' which is an idian sweet dish made out of grated carrots, sugar, milk and different spices

  • @usmcplu
    @usmcplu 2 роки тому +4

    Awesome experiment and I find myself enjoying ATE more with every post. Regarding the chocolates, I love how the Valrhona chocolate moves throughout the cookie. I don't get too excited about chocolate, but your video stoked the desire to have some, especially in that cookie form.

  • @loraloo189
    @loraloo189 2 роки тому +50

    It’s all about perception. In your mind the more expensive chocolate makes you happier. If you can afford it, buy the one you feel makes you happier.

    • @choiswimmer
      @choiswimmer 2 роки тому +2

      This is why they should do a blind taste test

  • @victoriaovies2745
    @victoriaovies2745 2 роки тому +3

    I'm Venezuelan, so I grew up eating chocolates made with Venezuelan cacao, and the difference between Venezuelan chocolates and American ones is so different! If I can, I ALWAYS choose to bake with Venezuelan chocolate and cacao, because the flavor is much more complex and not so sugary!

  • @bluerose6859
    @bluerose6859 2 роки тому

    Excellent comparison video! I really enjoy your videos. Keep them coming!

  • @jase_allen
    @jase_allen 2 роки тому +25

    "Grand cru de terroir" is an unregulated term that basically means the cacao beans were sourced from a specific region or country.
    The difference in color between the two cookie doughs before they were baked was probably from the lighting, or some other factor that had nothing to do with the chocolate. The color of the two doughs looked different before the chocolate was even added to the dough.
    The difference in how the chocolate spread during baking probably has more to do with the size and shape of the chunks put into the dough before baking. The Valrhona chocolate was thicker than the Lindt. It'd be interesting to see the same test using chocolate that was reshaped into identically sized chips.

    • @andreyrass1393
      @andreyrass1393 2 роки тому +2

      Good points and I definitely agree on the most part, but I can attest from many a cookie baked that sometimes when chocolate shatters into smaller pieces it definitely does colour my dough a little bit from the melting. So I wouldn't chalk it all up to lighting.

    • @jase_allen
      @jase_allen 2 роки тому +2

      @@andreyrass1393 In this very specific case, we can chalk it up to lighting. Look at timestamp 3:39. The color looks dramatically different between the newly divided dough before the chocolate was mixed in.

  • @brent6565
    @brent6565 2 роки тому +25

    Seems to me that both chocolates have a different purpose. Lindt is for when you want a chocolate-fix. Valrhona seems to be for when you want to bake to impress. I suppose you decide what you want to do with your chocolate. 🍫 On the other hand...I read that dark chocolate is good for depression. Now, when you're down in the dumps which would you choose. Jetting to Walmart for some Lindt? Or Venezuela for some Valrhona? 🍫

  • @SarahLarsonwgm
    @SarahLarsonwgm 2 роки тому +12

    I think something being worth it also depends on if you have the money to spare or if it's like the one ingredient that you really care about or just in general you may spend more on groceries if you are really passionate about cooking and it's a hobby for you.

  • @raahimkamaal5363
    @raahimkamaal5363 2 роки тому +23

    Me looking at the tart: ohh I should make that
    Alvin: you have to stir for more than 10 mins
    Me: I shouldn’t make that

  • @SK1MD
    @SK1MD 2 роки тому

    Great video. Been meaning to make chocolate desserts like chocolate chip cookies, brownies, and French chocolate silk pie, hence grappling with the same question as to whether go with high-end quality chocolate or regular. This was a great video of side-by-side comparison with controlled conditions Alvin. Thank you so much!

  • @kinorinadiy
    @kinorinadiy 2 роки тому +2

    As a long time chocolate lover and chocolate chip cookie baker, i personally believe in using ingredients you love. If you use your favourite chocolate in a cookie, its bound to become your fvaourite cookie! Of course, you may need to adjust for sugar, or other ingredients depending on the sweetness of the chocolate. All in all, if you're going to put in the effort to bake something, use quality ingredients.

  • @jacobsmith-hi6ey
    @jacobsmith-hi6ey 2 роки тому +9

    I think on the 2nd ganache mixture it cooled too much to mix more smoothly. I would recommend doing them separately because it was another 10 minutes before you started mixing.

  • @fabe61
    @fabe61 2 роки тому +8

    There's a reason Valrhona is one of few industry standard chocolate suppliers for the best restaurants in Europe.

  • @xLarsZocktx
    @xLarsZocktx 2 роки тому +6

    In germany, Lindt is literally the fancy choclate i only get very rarely if I wanna treat myself. Stings a bit that its your cheap option 😵

  • @jerrycurl637
    @jerrycurl637 2 роки тому

    Beautiful video, thank you sir!

  • @andydonovan7974
    @andydonovan7974 2 роки тому +2

    I love Alvin's voice overs. He's sweet, silly and enjoyable.

  • @thestitchertwin103
    @thestitchertwin103 2 роки тому

    This is the best channel. I always learn something new.

  • @sebeckley
    @sebeckley 2 роки тому +32

    If you're making any recipe with just a few ingredients, like a souffle or flourless cake, you want the most expensive chocolate.

  • @peptodismal5431
    @peptodismal5431 2 роки тому +4

    i would like to see a blind trial of these deserts by other people and how the chocolate compares in something savory like mole

  • @eklectiktoni
    @eklectiktoni 2 роки тому +3

    So basically one is like "Happy" by Pharrell. The other is like "Spring" by Vivaldi. Both are a bop, but each satisfies a different craving.

  • @DRONE-e
    @DRONE-e 2 роки тому +10

    Sorry to correct you but the cracks on the surface of the brownies is not from the whipping of the eggs and sugar it the fact you are dissolving the sugar more evenly in the mixture…you can achieve the same cracked top by usuing high fructose corn syrup

    • @Default78334
      @Default78334 2 роки тому

      Or just using normal corn syrup.

  • @caraeuler2927
    @caraeuler2927 2 роки тому

    This was delightful. Thank you

  • @StefannieTan
    @StefannieTan 2 роки тому +11

    It seemed to me that Alvin already made up his mind even before the conclusion as the way he spoke obviously smacked of bias towards the more expensive chocolate. (And as someone pointed out, he can actually get it less expensive per lb.)

  • @alexandroaguilar1709
    @alexandroaguilar1709 2 роки тому +7

    6:00 Adam Ragusea actually had a 2 video essay on what causes that "brownie skin" and its actually caused by the melting/liquifying of the sugars in the batter that causes that to happen. In your case, beating the sugar with the melted butter and eggs help with that process.

  • @alexanderivory-brown118
    @alexanderivory-brown118 2 роки тому +3

    I love sweet flavors more than bitter flavors. I think I would enjoy trying the Valhorona but the Lindt is great for me.

  • @gloriouslyimperfect
    @gloriouslyimperfect 2 роки тому

    I worked at Lindt / Ghirardelli designing packaging and live right behind one of their production facilities (moved here when I got the job) so my house gets the smell of chocolate coming from the facility nearly every morning in the winter.

  • @fobtai91
    @fobtai91 2 роки тому +2

    I need that brownie recipe dang it. That's exactly how I like my brownies.

  • @ttmm282
    @ttmm282 7 днів тому

    I used to buy Mrs. Fields chips when they were sold in a bag at grocery stores. Her cookie recipe these days are not the same as they were in the 70s and 80s. Then, they were F'g spectaular! Her peanut butter chip/white chunk cookies were something I would drive a long way for. I could cry that none of her recipes are the same. I saw her back in the 90s create her "real" chocolate chip cookie recipe. I remember (more or less) to this day.

  • @Timtato
    @Timtato 2 роки тому

    I love this man's cooking!

  • @karlarao8736
    @karlarao8736 2 роки тому +7

    This was so satisfying damn.

  • @Ishbel025
    @Ishbel025 2 роки тому +1

    I love that 70% cacao Lindt chocolate! It's definitely one of my favorite chocolate bars. But now I'm curious to try the Valrhona one. 😋😋😋

  • @WOCRecipes
    @WOCRecipes 2 роки тому

    Your cooking skills and cinematography is outstanding.

  • @shanswanwaters5822
    @shanswanwaters5822 2 роки тому

    Great video. Keep up the great work. God bless.

  • @chesha13
    @chesha13 2 роки тому

    Very cool! I've been sampling different chocolates (check out seahorse chocolates) based on beans & roasting where they mention notes of 'flavors' the chocolate have, and noticed many of them would be great for baking with rather than eating straight. Some are very acidic or bitter so it'd be cool to see if you explored more different types of chocolate in baking/cooking!

  • @jacktheripperVII
    @jacktheripperVII 2 роки тому +2

    Tempering is getting undone by baking that is therefore not the cause of the texture

  • @secundrabeasley855
    @secundrabeasley855 2 роки тому +2

    Thank You Alvin!!!

  • @cindygonzalezmartinez
    @cindygonzalezmartinez 2 роки тому +1

    I really enjoyed this video😍

  • @dspiritlight
    @dspiritlight 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the very interesting educational video. Very entertaining.

  • @janaepting8940
    @janaepting8940 2 роки тому +4

    I think Mousse au chocolat would have been a great option to test the chocolate as well. Because of the few ingredients you would have been able to really taste the difference.

  • @ead1017
    @ead1017 2 роки тому

    Hello Alvin, Please do a short video with you, and maybe the whole crew, comparing the taste of the two chocolates on their own. Thanks !! Love the content !!

  • @chasemoray425
    @chasemoray425 2 роки тому

    I could watch this all day

  • @Sengage
    @Sengage 2 роки тому +1

    You have the recipes somewhere? Brownies looked great! Also the tart looked amazing as well.

  • @MistressOP
    @MistressOP 2 роки тому +3

    I always use two to 3 different chocolate brands in my chocolate chip cookie these days. it sorta gives you a different taste each bite and sometimes they combine in your mouth nicely.

  • @shinjukunine184
    @shinjukunine184 2 роки тому

    Really well done … a great video

  • @diyayang4614
    @diyayang4614 2 роки тому +5

    After googling the prices for both chocolate I realized that Valrhona is only about 50% more expensive than Lindt. $37/kg vs. $30/1.2kg

    • @oxoelfoxo
      @oxoelfoxo 2 роки тому

      yeah, so many comments made about that price difference inflation

  • @amya8316
    @amya8316 2 роки тому

    I use Lindt in the 2 day cookie recipe of yours and it pools exactly like your more expensive chocolate cookie does. Maybe the heat/length of time in the over

  • @shannonsteven808
    @shannonsteven808 2 роки тому

    Fascinating! I'd be really interested to see a couple of people blind tasting and rating these.

  • @starcloak
    @starcloak 2 роки тому +5

    This just makes me want to eat a bunch of chocolate and chocolate baked goods 😋

  • @faithnelson6069
    @faithnelson6069 2 роки тому

    i can not imagine using a Lindt candy bar to bake with.
    i have yet to try Valrhona, but i highly recommend Guittard for baking and there are many different types.

  • @sudattashakya6288
    @sudattashakya6288 2 роки тому

    Lol that 70% lindt choc is what I eat for dessert everyday. A small piece. I frikkin love it

  • @foodvillageplus6895
    @foodvillageplus6895 2 роки тому

    Just WOW!!! I love chocolate

  • @afafalk2024
    @afafalk2024 2 роки тому

    The Lindt chocolate probably has some vegetable oil. I use high quality chocolate but it does firm up a lot because of the cocoa butter so I add vegetable oil to some recipes to achieve something softer

  • @celitacantrill10
    @celitacantrill10 2 роки тому

    Lindt makes wonderful chocolate. I've not tried the other. Good video Alvin.

  • @moniquearmstead6648
    @moniquearmstead6648 2 роки тому

    Omg that looks so good one love 💙👍👍👍

  • @ayeshasiddiqua7217
    @ayeshasiddiqua7217 2 роки тому

    I could watch Alvin cook for hours ❤️

  • @victoriagouv9932
    @victoriagouv9932 2 роки тому

    amazing video! really liked it :)

  • @jessicaperry7277
    @jessicaperry7277 2 роки тому +5

    I wish you’d have done the tasting part blindfolded and someone giving it to you so no subconscious “this is more expensive”

  • @carterdewees4341
    @carterdewees4341 2 роки тому

    Hey Alvin, using the cylindrical handle of your spatula or something plastic/metal will eliminate nearly all air bubbles. Can’t wait to bake these too !

  • @dorinadumbrava3174
    @dorinadumbrava3174 2 роки тому +7

    And there is me for who lindt is already a splurge...

  • @gbcookiesyqr
    @gbcookiesyqr 2 роки тому

    I prefer the 64% Manjari, also the Valrhona is only $20 a pound in Canada anyway. I like the Lindt chili with espresso powder added in to make a different flavour cookie.

  • @pawansutaria2761
    @pawansutaria2761 2 роки тому +1

    Me seeing you make cookies... Batch 3 - half and half... Best of both worlds 😋

  • @6886a
    @6886a 2 роки тому +1

    Seeing Venezuelan chocolate and hearing you say Venezuela 🇻🇪 that made me so happy 😍❤️ also those cookies look 😍😍😍😍😍 delish

  • @verb5006
    @verb5006 2 роки тому +6

    Now it's time to bake with chocolate you made yourself

  • @hartden5159
    @hartden5159 2 роки тому

    I feel the love in your cooking. I can’t wait until you open a restaurant!

  • @Default78334
    @Default78334 2 роки тому

    My own experience with making brownies is that "good" chocolate is better used as mixed-in chips. Making chipless brownies with Bakers, Ghirardelli, Lindt, and Scharffen Berger (I always use unsweetened), it's hard to tell the difference.

  • @beefyasian88
    @beefyasian88 2 роки тому

    When doing comparison videos ensure the subjects are consistently placed in the right positions. Eg Lindt always on the left and avoid switching it to the right then to the left etc.

  • @daniellewalker329
    @daniellewalker329 2 роки тому

    Valhorna chocolate is the best high end chocolate you can get, the next best which is cheaper but expensive is callebeau chocolate which i use for all of my cooking and is fantastic chocolate to use.

  • @marioseoul
    @marioseoul 2 роки тому

    Hey Alvin awesome video and as a chocoholic I'd love to try everything that you baked! Now, my mom was from Venezuela, specifically from the state of Aragua. So when I see the name Araguani it tells me one thing and hints at another. It tells me that the chocolate almost certainly came from Aragua, which is where the hidden village of Chuao is located, which is famous for growing the best chocolate in the world. But I didn't see "Chuao" or "cacao criollo" on the package, so the "ni" in the name hints that the chocolate might have come from Choroní, which is the beach town that you have to go to first to catch a boat to Chuao, and which also has excellent chocolate.
    Choroní, at least the last time I went, well before Venezuela's economic collapse, was a beautiful beach. And going to Chuao was a unique and amazing experience. It was so cool to see all the cacao trees surrounding the village, and the cacao pods drying in the sun, and then getting caught in torrential rain in the speedboat back to Choroní. And drinking pure fresh hot cacao chocolate at the top of the mountain on the way back to the city of Maracay late at night with the sounds of the rainforest and the cool evening humidity... perfection ~~~
    But your desserts seem pretty perfect too. 😀

  • @eviebug8312
    @eviebug8312 2 роки тому +1

    I need a comparison between the super expensive chocolate and like a dove or Hershey's chocolate bar. I've worked with both, and I've found the biggest difference is the fact that cheaper chocolates have more wax in them.

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 2 роки тому +1

    I love how we have Alvin on both here & the BCU.