@@Shadow-mu7qk try hard carrying more as characters like mantis, invisible girl or Luna they're basically Dps support hybrids and if u can't climb like that u need to start working on yourself more and stop blaming the team u should be able to easily carry urself out of bronze as those 3 characters just trying to help sorry if it seems rude Im not trying to be I'm just trying to give advice
@@dankmoon949 also just going support didn’t help help even if they had damage, I needed to tank to stop flankers, dps to kill support, and support when support sucks. I was saying that bronze is hella annoying because of how bad player are in that rank
I think this is the main thing the player base nears to learn. Is how to play these types of games, the BIGGEST issue in ranked is not grouping up, or bad ults etc. Im in Dia and its still rife. Might be a good opportunity for a "hero shooter guide" as there's so many new players to the genre
Heavy on the regroup, especially in the lower ranks. I’ve never played overwatch but I have played team based objective games and the first thing I learned( and what seems like common sense) is that the team that stays together always wins. And these players are too blood thirsty sometimes, which causes them to completely forget the objectives
a tip i haven't seen in the comments yet is that, in Loki's character specific settings, there's a toggle that makes you have to confirm a copy with his ult i turned that on and I've never copied the wrong character ever since
Spectating Bronze is always a treat. It's a good ol' case of "Break 'em down to build 'em up." Gonna be really interesting to see the series evolve with Marvel Rivals.
Waffles aren't viable at higher ranks. Any syrup above gold won't actually get caught in the pockets, it just flows off the waffle and onto the chicken/bacon.
One of the things that sucks about being GM in rivals is i cant submit videos for flats to roast me. He actually roasted me years back when i was bronze in OW.
Eternity Loki here. A big tip is being patient with your ult. If you take a Luna ult for instance, and thrn transform into Luna, you will have 15 seconds to use the ult. However, lets say you wait until 2s left on the timer and THEN press R. Well, that will resset your transformation timer. The possibilities with the hero extend by a wide margin if you utilize those couple of extra seconds.
One tip from gm loki main: Use your clones as if they were dps. I mean by this, is that placing your clones in different angles on the map or with yourself can allow you to deal major dps, allowing for major picks for the team.
@@theoriginalstud8641 dude the guy is telling people how to use the clones not just "use the clones" I dont get why you guys are so rude to someone who wants to be helpful
At higher levels, waffles aren't practical. Any syrup over gold simply runs off the waffle and onto the chicken or bacon instead of becoming trapped in the pockets.
im loving this helpful content a lot and recognizing that a looot of people are totally new, thus approaching them a bit lighter! its tough to pick up a completely new type of games often times so its great to see some positive vibes : )
As a Hela main, yes please coach the Lokis. Offensive overtuned DPS ults aren't the worst to copy in lower elo either. Hela, Starlord and Spiderman are the easy ones to throw out. Namor or Moon knight to combo with Strange or Groot. In high elo, Loki is reduced to just a 2nd copy of whatever big defensive supp ult you already have. 2nd Luna Snow ult and give your team 24 seconds of invincibility...so I hope this dude enjoys Loki while he still can lol
@@PewPewShootEmUp Did we call McCree/Cassidy mains carried? I get to play my hero once every 2 to 3 games when she's not banned. I just like the character
I play a lot of Loki, and my tip for new Loki players is to constantly be aware of where their clones are. You have a lot of leeway with the clones, so constantly change their positions or move them to give your teammates immortality. Also, using your immortality just to keep your clones alive can, in rare cases, be incredibly beneficial. Also, loki does a ton of damage, so make sure you're constantly putting damage downrange as well to help your team. Also, use your replace anytime you get pressured. A lot of people have a hard time following you after you pop it.
one of the biggest things in low rank as Loki. You can stand still when your clones are out, people will think your a clone and ignore you then if they do start killing you invis or swap and run away. higher rank people are better at killing the clones so doesn't work aswell
@@Dreadtz yeah they just shoot now, but you can go invis, step aside and stay still. They'll shoot where they think your running off too. I'd rather teleport out though.
Old strat, and you'll usually throw faster than gain an advantage from it. The better idea is having a clone in front of you if needed as a pseudo-tank
@@karrenliuk still worked for me in lower ranks, higher ranks doesn't matter as people kill clones as it lowers damage and healing but low ranks just walk right past
@ Could be a situational occurance as ranking my alt characters I found bronze through gold like to just go after everything thus standing still results in a quick death. For a good player it doesn't matter because you can always adapt but if you tell a bronze loki to stand still to improve it's likely to come at a detriment. At least that's my view
I think it might actually be counting people who have literally never touched ranked. I don't know, just a speculation. If its only counting people who have played at least one game of ranked then I would admit that pyramid is way too wide.
Just keep in mind its for your server, not the whole playerbase. So when i was ranking back up and hit plat being in the top 9% means region and platform(i assume). Itd be scary if it meant playerbase.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 Everyone who didn't play any ranked games at all in season 0 is bronze 3 now. So it's counting those people. I was in that situation. Reaching bronze 2 put me above 65% of the playerbase.
Saying "it's so cooked" is so cooked edit: Apparently, I have to explain I mean the phrase "it's so cooked" is what is indeed being cooked and not the statement about the game being over.
@@Radicalbeastnah I haven’t touched it in weeks between rivals and cod. No reason to play anymore and I’ve played since the first one came out lol feels weird but no point anymore
@Tots_ most players aren't on Steam who play Overwatch 2 lmaooooo. You're just playing into numbers that actually don't match the majority. You should probably do some real research, my dude lmao
Thank you for the video. I'm currently pushing into Gold and I come from WoW/MMORPGs and I've only played shooters casually/semi-casually. I'm always so curious how higher ranked players feel/play at those higher ranks and their thought processes. It helps me to get in that mindset if I'm serious about climbing the rankings, etc. There's a lot of good tips here, so I appreciate it. I especially liked the very first tip you gave regarding saving yourself vs running into bad positions to either heal or absorb damage for team mates - I do this quite often. I attempt to save the team and end up in worse positions most of the time and either flanked or just splash damaged. The problem I run into the most is trying to fill into the team but having no real follow up the majority of the time with teammates. So I'm having to find that perfect balance between my own survivability and trying my best to assist the team. The dying less tip is quite huge and something I need to reflect upon for my own gameplay. I do have a question though. How did, or rather, how do players climb rankings so quickly? Are you simply one-tricking all the way up into higher ranks until team building becomes more important? And when does this shift? Is it Diamon when bans start? Or even higher than that? Thank you for the video.
Watch his bronze to gm video where he plays Captain America the whole time. He explains how he is playing differently as he goes up the ranks. But yeah (aside from having better mechanical ability) its mostly just having way more experience playing at a higher level, confidence, and the amount of pressure he can put on the enemy players at lower ranks.
no matter the rank, people are going to have bad comp and wont really play around on avg. So stop thinking of higher elo being 'better' games. It really isnt. I would argue the ego/toxicity is even higher at those ranks cause now the toxic people feel validated. there are a lot of ways to climb quickly. Just pick your strongest hero and carry your team like Atlas. Best way to put it. This requires confidence and skill to do so.
my number one tip to climb is to pick a character and just one trick them. learn how to play a tank or a support as well in case you do need to fill, but you want to instalock your character in 90% of your games, especially because team comps in this game aren't as harsh so you can win with 1 tank and 3 dps 2 support or 4 dps and 2 support or 3 dps 3 support as long as your whole team is good on their role. it doesn't matter if you have a 2 tanks and 2 dps and 2 support if your tanks are mediocre as compared to if you just had 4 dps who really know what they're doing and can pop off.
List of priority ults I have found so far for Loki to copy, and their utilities: Strategists; (like flats said these are the ults you should prioritize in 9/10 scenarios) Luna: Self explanatory, best ult in the whole game. Often times it's best just to hold you ult as loki until their luna ults, then ult a few seconds after they did so you team has the luna advantage. Mantis: Diet Luna ult, but more aggressive thanks to the speed boost. Hand out some damage boosting to everyone and try to sleep big targets. Like Luna's, also usually best used to counter the enemies mantis ult. Adam Warlock: Gotta be proficient with Adam to do this one, and preferrably not when your team already has an Adam since he's an off healer, but the revive can be huge and game changing. Cloak and Dagger: Massive ult power, especially now with 4 dashes, and useful utility after finishing putting down the ult. Can use this either to push or counter another C&D ult (just know you will have to wait until they are done ulting in order to copy them). Invisible Woman: Fairly strong ult and active healing capability during the ult, can't go wrong using it to hold an objective or just to counter another invisible woman's ult (though note you will likely have to risk getting in the field to find her) Vanguard; Doctor Strange: Kinda need to be proficient with him too, but the potential of his ult to win games is crazy. This will require a lot of pre-planning and trickery to pull off though because people are more and more aware of how to avoid it now. Also for all tanks and DPS going forward, you will really have to weigh the opportunity cost of your team losing a healer for over 12 seconds whenever you copy anything that isn't another healer. Groot: Another one that needs proficiency but potentially game winning ult. Also hard counters any groot with rocket/jeff team up because it rips them right off groots shoulders. Great for securing kills against harder to hit targets like rocket or spiderman, but usually only use this when absolutely necessary. Captain America: ONLY USE THIS FOR HOLDING AN OBJECTIVE. If the team is dead and you need to just hold and waste time, this is the ult to do it. Just jump around and mix in your shield, making yourself hard to hit. Magneto: Only really useful as a means to qucikly react to another projectile ult, but the timing is tight. Duelist; (rarely use these but can be good to flex with if your DPS is lacking a bit) Ironman: Primarily just to nuke a C&D/Invisible Woman/Luna ult. Be VERY careful, you will be a sitting duck when doing this, thus should try using off angles with cover. Moon Knight: Entirely just to have something that can nuke through immortality ults. Psylocke: The squishy killer 9000, but outside of the ult really needs proficiency with the hero to get the most mileage. At worst, just dive in to ult but keep one dash or invisibily in order to escape. Best to use this to assassinate the enemy backline if you team has no divers or they are just lacking. Spiderman: Same deal as Psylocke, turn yourself into a healer seeking missile and hurt their backline. Storm: One of the better ults you can copy, really good for just instantely destroying their backline while still potentially doing major damage to the rest of the team. Lots of leeway on where you can start it. Plus storm is pretty strong coming out the ult with bonus health now, letting you continue engaging for a bit to finish things off pretty easily. Wolverine: A bit surprising, but decent for an emergency ult to keep yourself alive thanks to his durability. Ult can be really useful to murder healers too, plus gives your team better tank shredding. Punisher: VERY SITUATIONAL. Great if you were triple healers and you can have at least one of them pocket you for a bit. Star-Lord: Very strong squishy deleter, jsut remember to use your flips not only to reload, but for survival as well. Curious what other people have as their preffered ults to copy, or let me know what other utilities these ults can be used for.
Peni's ult is unironically stronger than Cap's for the reason you stated to copy Cap ult. She gets 450 bonus health compared to Cap's 150, and while she receives less healing per second from webs (25 as opposed to 110) she's moving at 70% speed as opposed to Cap's 65% holding shift.
Strange portals into the abyss are an obvious choice but that probably doesn't happen often enough. I'd say dying to an Ankh that's been right next to you for a minute because nobody shot it is up there. Tough question though.
Love the "Spectating this pkayer' Series so much because A) i learn what NOT to do with the character & B) it reminds me that although I'm not cracked asf at fps games, *at least I can be a coherent, effective part of my team.* 😂😅 Big tip with Loki is to play the part, as in stay still, group up with your clones & keep your escape tool on hand if you're getting pushed too.
I'm gald for the 'Educational' approach, cause I ended Season 0 in Plat 1 and I know that I do still a lot of mistakes, but I don't have the level (or friends with the level) to point them out and explain the solution to me. I would love for more videos like this, to help understand the mistakes that, us lower level players, cannot see. Like Flats said, it's great to analyse your games, but if you lack the level to truly catch the wrongs in your gameplay, you can't realy improve.
Watch your replays and consciously point out every mistake you notice. The solution comes from actively playing and recognizing the situation before you have to make a decision
I appreciate the positive coach attitude, I still learn a lot either way. I’m excited to see this series transferring to Rivals. Maybe someday you can roast my trash gameplay.
Hey Flats wrt loki splash damage, his orb does actually have falloff on enemies. It does not have falloff on allies. An ally hit gets the same healing no matter what whereas the damage falls off to half if they're anywhere halfway out of the explosion. Granted, its semantic and i felt my neck hurting trying to crane upwards to see a bit more of what was going on.
Peni main here. You'd be surprised how many Lokis copy my ult.While it's not as impactful as say C&Ds, it gives you a massive health boost and allows you to capitalize on an advantage by running down or zoning off enemy supports. Another Peni tip: to compound on what you said at 13:55, that corner is also a perfect place to set up a nest. It extends into the defense zone while being impossible to take down unless an enemy flanks all the way around the building, giving you a reliable fallback point.
im a loki main, dude at the start of the match already fucked up, you never waste your invis at the start... THAT IS YOUR ESCAPE TOOL and your repositioning tool... doing this at the start is asking to die at the start of a match. another bad thing i see some loki players do is keep their clones far apart... never do this keep them within teleportation range and within 10 meters of yourself with sightlines of your allies and enemies, first point was okay tho a better spot is on the roof of that building not the first level walkway, mainly because you can see everyone and if someone dives you you can invis and there is a healthpack directly behind you on the low ground.. so you can grab it then teleport back up really fast. against an ironman... you can technically scare him away. also i kinda disagree but agree with flats comment on who to copy, while yes copying a support is ideal alot of the times because... double luna ults or double mantis ults are pretty nutty... i disagree with ever copying a tank.. the only time i'd ever say to copy a tank is when your tank is dead and it's a 5v5, and your tank/their tank is a strange. tbf most of the time copying a strong dps ult is much better like... if you have a hulk and enemy has an ironman... you copy that ironman or even psylocke and use psylocke to kill their supports they don't know how you copied you get into that back line pop the ult kill at least one support then gtfo. bucky is surprisingly a decent one too because his ult actually resets the copy CD time when it resets so each time you use it your extending the duration of your copy. also look i may not be a one above all or a grandmaster player.... but literally all i play is loki.... and if you're gonna take advice from anyone about the character itself... it's definitely from someone who actually plays the character, no offence flats. your tips are great and you are an amazing player and your tips are grounded in truth.
I think why he uses it, it FEELS like you move faster but you don't I did it from spawn a few times, before a Groot was walking next to me and I realized its the same speed,
With a character like Loki it's especially important to know how other characters work, and what other players/the team may need for their respective play styles no? Not just because of his kit, but also because he's a strategist at the end of the day
Looking down and running away is a very typical reaction to pressure in a fight. I've learned that in martial arts. The best way to deal with it is just practice. Put yourself in pressure situations and actively try not to look down and run. And when you inevitably do it anyway, make a mental note to yourself that you just did it again, and it didn't remove the pressure. Constantly tell your brain that the solution it's trying to use against the pressure doesn't actually solve the problem. Then, in time, your brain will accept that this is not the thing to do and will start trying other things. Also a good thing to do is remind yourself that the pressure isn't actually real. Nothing actually bad is going to happen if your character dies. You'll just respawn in a few seconds. Nothing actually bad will happen if you loose the game. You'll just play another game right after it. Remind yourself the danger is fake so that your brain can stop being afraid of it.
4:40 Why did he leave the spawn invisible & with only 2 shots in his staff? Not only did you waste your best escape tool straight away (and no you can't say incase of danger because you can just walk back into spawn) you left spawn without reloading & when you see the Psylock you at 4:50 you only have 2 shots giving her a better chance to escape. As someone that plays a fair bit of Loki here's some quick tips: 1) Make sure all your clones have LOS on the fight. 2) When Jumped use switch first, save Rune for big burst damage & only use the invis escape as a last resort. 3) Always be looking at the scoreboard to see which character's ult to steal. 3.5) Take the characters with instant value like a Luna or a Star Lord you don't want to take someone like Hulk or Black Panther. 4) Try to stay still when fighting to confuse enemies so they don't know which Loki is the real you. 5) Never play Flank Loki your just throwing if you do. Honestly Loki might be a bit much for lower rank players as he takes a lot of patients & mastery of the game to use to his full potential so my advise is just pick another healer until you fully understand what your doing before trying to use Loki.
11:30 Loki main here, lil thing i learned about his primary. the healing aoe of your primary always heals ur teamates the maximum amount, only his damage has fall off the further enemies are from the center of the explosion. So healing u can shoot at feet, enemies you can shoot for their body. (you can't headshot)
I can't tell you how incredibly potent "die less" is for advice. Like, it seems simple, sure, but if you're just W+M1ing at the enemy team with no regard for when you're in over your head, nine times out of ten that goes real south real quick. Self preservation goes a long ass way in games like this (be that killing/scaring off the person on you as a healer, or knowing when to dip as a tank), and every time I piece together factors that tell me when I should leave, I can tangibly feel my gameplay improve, it's insane.
Yes, was waiting for Spectating Bronze for Rivals. Such a great series and beneficial for new players while also getting some laughs, keep up the great work Flats!
As someone who only briefly played OW but always enjoyed flats and loves MR now, it is really great to watch him talking about things I personally see in my own games 😊
I really needed to hear the "let them die" tip because I always feel so bad when I think I could save someone in a situation where I KNOW that I would probably get killed too anyway.
I love the little Emotes that KLO (Editor) adds to the corner of the screen. Very adorable (And good for knowing when I should be paying close attention if I'm doing something else)
This explains the experience I had in bronze when I made my alt. This guy was clueless, which is understandable given his experience. But you don't think about these types of players existing when you queue ranked
"Don't die" is the most useful advice in Bronze and focusing on this got me to Gold. Dying means you can't contribute to the fight for half a minute, and that's a huge amount of healing, damage and pressure that you give up. Learning why and how you die and doing your best to prevent it from happening will teach you about positioning, flank angles, sticking with your team, map knowledge, enemy ultimate use, avoiding overextending, and will give you the edge in game sense over almost everyone in lower ranks.
Loki's decoy needs to be in view of the same target for the best effect. They are a firing line, but more like a rail gun. Single file, facing forward, not side by side. All aimed at a chokepoint. This allows you to consistently place all 3 shots on 1 target doing big damage and heals. Both decoys in front of yourself also act as minor shields. When you drop aoe heals doing this you can create a healing pathway to push forward or bunch them in a triangle to hold a position. On position you maintain as many decoys up constantly in a traingle around the point or in a small line holding one side of point while jumping around healing doing damage, staying alive. However its better to always keep an ability on hand than to max decoys. So if placing a decoy would leave you with everything on cooldown, just bank it. A quick decoy placement and teleport can really save yourself. If you know you're gonna need it soon best to place a safe decoy prior. You can even front line a bit doing this and retreating. This is safer than mirage. I find mirage is better used for instant double damgage or invisible positioning. Say your getting pressed by a dps. Mirage step back and hit them twice. If you have aoe heals too your gonna win that fight or make them run. As loki you gotta learn a wide range of characters I usually steal moonknight, punisher, hela, dr.strange, luna or magneto (on purpose) Somtimes though you get stuck with a venom, starlord, or hawkeye and just gotta wing it.
to summarize a few points of advice made: positioning is important, that corner on spider tokyo is powerful (noted) mechanical aim will always help no matter what type of shooter you play, lower sensitivity helps with accuracy if you have the space to move your mouse as a support, dont chase your tank into death, and dont run into the fray unless you have a reason. target priority, if team is healed, deal damage, if team is low, focus on healing, if being attacked escape or fight but decide quickly and decisively. mightve missed some points but i think i got most of it here
Loki main here. A lot of people are saying this already, but here's a little twist for you. Yes, use clones as dps, but focus shots at the feet of your allies or enemies. Loki deals splash damage, which means hitting the ground reaches farther than hitting a person. I've been hard learning support since this game came out, and i want to wait until I'm perfect to start ranked (I also want a full team of 6 so i don't deal with solo queue)
it’s infinitely harder to climb ranked with a full 6 stack because the game will queue you against other 6 stacks who are probably more coordinated and better at the game than you. there are more GM+ players smurfing in 6 stacks than there are GM+ players smurfing in solos or duos. if you want to consistently climb, duo queue with someone who can flex, so that you and them can anchor your team
10:33 As someone who mains Loki, you’re wrong on that count They need better awareness yes but Loki’s projectiles deal 0 dmg or healing, only the splash does anything, so shooting the ground is the play
@@EmoDragracer yea, but then the solution isn’t for him to aim his shots on his teammates but to look up but aim his shots on the ground where necessary
6:35 honestly bishock was quite hard at least for me. so i was a bit suprised that he completed the game. I don't know if you played it but i feel like in this game its importanat to have good postioning. But anyways the loki in this rank was actually not bad. I think he even deserves bronze 1 like he said maybe even a bit higher
Flats you're so *naturally* educational though. And at this point you're also one of the most knowledgeable across ALL roles. Just saying. Literally *all* vanguard guides rn are meh. You might be the hero we need.
You spot on, your best bet on knowing when to chase and when to not is 2 fold. Understand the type of character your tank is. Don’t follow your captain America or hulk when the jump on to harass the 1v6. Wait for the jump back to heal them or try and heal them from a distance. If you see your Strange or magneto starts to agro understand if there tryin to make space or If they are diving. Basically if they are pushing back the enemy tanks as they move up they are making space, follow them and heal them. If they run past the enemy tanks they are diving. Try and heal them from a distance but don’t let the enemy tanks jump on you, play your life. Now the final big thing, if you notice the enemy team is coming at you one by one and your tanks and dps are walking them down back to their spawn getting kills. Get off the objective and follow them with your heals, because the enemy is “staggered”. Bonus advise, pay attention to the “death bubbles” and kill feed. Understand at all times if you are up or down numbers. Let this effect your overall aggressiveness.
The gameplay hasn't started yet, so I have no idea how it goes, but the sentence "I feel like I am deeply confused every game" is amazing. That's all I got rn.
i definitely needed to hear that Let them Die tip. You kinda need to get a bit closer to your team tho (at least 25m) when your healing as Loki, of course not right next to them but you need to be close enough to drop a clone and activate runes to counter ults. Heck . running out of clones and having to run up to activate the clones right next to your allies and then invis out is pretty satisfying,
i know how to play hero shooters and wouldn’t be caught dead doing the things you mentioned in the intro, despite rivals being the first shooter game i’ve ever played. now, what i’m lacking is reaction time, spatial cognition, a decent place to play the game with a mouse, time in my schedule, and my adhd brain not overheating….
When I was in bronze all I seen was 5 DPS’s and me as a healer or tank taught me not to rely on healers and memorized were all the heal stations were lmao 😂
My biggest death avoidance tactics I have learned while playing loki are 1 place 1 clone up front as a sacrifice your in the middle on high ground with the best visibility preferably and have the last clone behind cover literally shadow clone jitsu strats lol SECOND try and have that clone behind cover in your sight to get awayif needed it’s worked great for me Now if you wanna do lots of damage have you and your clones clustered together and you can melt characters So fast when all your clones hit at once this also works great for healing. Loki its strong don’t be afraid to drop people. Placing a clone on your team and using rune is a really great way to get healing for them aswell
One general tip is just think what you are gaining from the thing you do I see a lot of supports attacking enemy tanks and I just wonder what goes on in their head, yes you get ult but so does the enemy support so you are just putting yourself at risk and not being ready to heal for no real benefit
The advice for tanks it's really good, where it's important for you to keep yourself alive even without heals. I play Thor alot and i don't really use his F alot just because you become very vulnerable. I can go in do some damage go out, and keep doing that and getting shields that really help me. Alot of the time i have 3-4 people shooting me and i still don't die, altough most of the time i don't actually kill, i am still taking pressure of my team.
As someone who plays a *lot* of Loki, advice I can give: Stop moving. If your clones are down don't move until someone is actively pressuring *you* because people really do struggle with decoys. The number of times I've gotten kills or won a fight because someone starts pressuring one of my nearby clones instead of me and that reveals a threat is too damn high, or I can ignore it and keep supporting etc etc. This might not track at higher ranks tbf where kills are probably faster on stationary targets (or with enemies like hawk/widow) so feedback is appreciated but Loki's kit explicitly allows him to break the rule of "always be moving" in my experience
here's a fun fact about Loki: you CAN NOT copy Cloak&Dagger once they get their ult off so don't even try to copy them while they are in you backline XD
Literally had a one trick loki yesterday, waste his clones to teleport out of spawn for point captures, ahead of our team, everyone else had been swapping for counter picks, trying to group, and everything, but this Loki kept peeling off and getting countered by the enemy Magik and Thor, two hard counters for him. He hadn't checked calling cards and just assumed no one would switch to cover. I was on dps but had a rocket racoon calling card from the new pass. But since he one tricked he wouldn't switch. For the love of everything holy, don't join competitive with only 2 heroes known. Would not take any advice about switching or checking calling cards or communicating. 3 rounds of point captures and he ends with 2.7k heals
For Loki, you should actually generally be shooting at the feet of allies as it makes where your clones aim accurate. That said you are right in their case, that they should be aiming higher. For enemies, direct damage does more than splash damage.
Flats is right about the Peni copy not working in a higher ELO. Enemy C&D was 2% away from ult, if the enemy team walked up and fought on the Peni ult, C&D could’ve built that ult in time to drop it on cart for the team to contest
I get the exact same kind of feeling and mentality when I see a punisher in my lobbies because, 1 I’m low elo, 2 he’s the character that most fresh out the womb newbies are gonna take into ranked
another thing guys, you walk the same speed forwards as you do backwards so turning and running doesn’t help unless you have a movement ability, if no movement abilities just stay shooting at them
im so glad you're doing this, community needs this i js saw someone get a viral clip on twitter saying IRONMAN needs to be nerf after he 1v1 him while ironman was being healed and stuff like that js gna turn this into ironman 2
I think people who are good at this game take aim for granted, I really don't like this mindset. It literally make or breaks whether or not you can do certain things, telling the bronze Loki to fight the threat instead of running away is like telling a person who has no martial art experience to "just block the jab and counter", or if you tell a chess player "oh you should have went for development if ur not confident with dealing with the caecilian yet" when they don't even know trade advantage, or telling a new fighting game player to "just walk them down and anti-air when they jump" when they can't even do a DP motion against a training dummy. Lower rank people cannot take fights and most don't have aims that actually functions and that's why certain assumptions can't be made, imagine if you have to make a decision of fighting or running and your chance of hitting the target is 90% compare to if it's 10%, what's the correct decision there? What if: someone's coming at you with a knife, do you: A. run, B. do 2 point contact knife parry defense after getting a good stance and recognizing the knife- ur dead Aim and duels is not guaranteed, same way shoots are not guaranteed score in basket ball until you reach a certain level. people in the high level unfortunately live in a completely different world.
You actually get more splash heels for hitting the ground that hitting your ally unless they absolutely need quick burst healing. As a low-key mean, it’s better to hit the ground if you’re allies or cluster together.
Loki Main here I’m in gold I love playing this character because of how good it is to have your clones in high places they never look up. They do massive damage with you and the heel output is insane. If people actually get hit by all three clones you can use the immunity field offensively by putting a clone in the back line and shooting at the supports or confusing the enemy by having a clone in the back and shooting the back, the God of the seat is fun.
I spectated a friend's bronze game and I swear it was like watching somebody try to put all the different shaped blocks in the square hole except it actually never worked, not even for the square block. Just utter frustration mixed with brief moments of comedy, then sadness. And then you see they have HUNDREDS of games in Season 0 and a sub-35% winrate, so are they actually even having fun or is it an exercise in pure demoralization?
Dude, I prefer this so much more than roasts. Can you do this new "nice" format for players who just request tips and roast only those that specifically think they're better than they are? Maybe two different submission types? Coaching and roasting maybe?
So glad your doing this to many airhead dps and tanks that’s swear they aren’t getting healed when in reality they are just feeding standing in one place just taking dmg
reason number 1000 why rocket, loki, mantis, and luna are goated: you can just shoot people when they dive and survive if you are good totally not biased as a GM2 rocket main tho
If Loki's splash abilities are building in the bad habbit of constantly aiming down then it might be time to change to a different hero until those bad habits are gone. In any other shooter, the first advice you'd be given is to work on crosshair placement. Working on that would be a good start to fixing a lot of other problems.
Flats said it in the beginning of the video, but it’s so true. If it’s you or your teammate, pick YOU! Unless you know for a fact that you can get out safely be selfish. You always want one death over two
When i play Loki i actually aim at their feet because it will make the clones aim better, where instead of aiming past the person they will all aim toward the ground where the person is not the wall behind them
23:46 I have seen people do this thing in diamond rank too. I was playing Magneto and our luna was standing right next to me on point and i basically had to save both my shield and bubble to save her and babysit her whole game because the whole other team was trying to get her. After the first round i even asked them to back off a lil bit because they kept dying to random spam damage in the brawl. They said why i was complaining because we were winning XD. The luna had more deaths than me and my other tank combined.
5:25 I am feeling this more than ever right now I'll end games with the least deaths almost everytime, especially on Support/Strategist People have ZERO survival instinct, they quite literally thinking that healing is just something that you brute force Which to be fair, in this game especially.. sometimes you can, this game is a little heal spammy but generally, the way people just DO NOT disengage and use cover, and regroup is insane It is the number 1 cause of almost all my losses while climbing, and worse of all, if im on Support... I CANT HEAL YOU I CANT HEAL YOU, BRO. So when the game ends and you go "erm, you did 5k less healing", yeah guess what, thatll happen when you dont exist in a spot, either physically or with your current health pool, where i CAN heal you
Well well well, spectating bronze has come to Marvel Rivals. Love to see it. Always has been one of my favorite series.
ikr spectating bronze is my favorite flats series of all time
I was sad when I got kicked out of Gold back to Bronze.
But now I realize that I’m back within Flats roasting range. Let’s go!
It’s annoying tho cause bronze players suck and it’s hard to carry with a team of newbies
@@Shadow-mu7qk try hard carrying more as characters like mantis, invisible girl or Luna they're basically Dps support hybrids and if u can't climb like that u need to start working on yourself more and stop blaming the team u should be able to easily carry urself out of bronze as those 3 characters just trying to help sorry if it seems rude Im not trying to be I'm just trying to give advice
@@dankmoon949 I’m already out of it, I went clock and dagger tho
@@dankmoon949 also just going support didn’t help help even if they had damage, I needed to tank to stop flankers, dps to kill support, and support when support sucks. I was saying that bronze is hella annoying because of how bad player are in that rank
@@dankmoon949I went from gold to bronze, cause I one trick black panther xd. (Tbf it is a new season) maybe I should try mantis my aim sucks tho
I think this is the main thing the player base nears to learn. Is how to play these types of games, the BIGGEST issue in ranked is not grouping up, or bad ults etc. Im in Dia and its still rife.
Might be a good opportunity for a "hero shooter guide" as there's so many new players to the genre
Heavy on the regroup, especially in the lower ranks. I’ve never played overwatch but I have played team based objective games and the first thing I learned( and what seems like common sense) is that the team that stays together always wins. And these players are too blood thirsty sometimes, which causes them to completely forget the objectives
a tip i haven't seen in the comments yet is that, in Loki's character specific settings, there's a toggle that makes you have to confirm a copy with his ult
i turned that on and I've never copied the wrong character ever since
but that makes it 200% less fun
actually never looked, thanks.
@@iopohableYou're not supposed to be playing ranked for fun
@@sthepcorms6747 It's a videogame, wtf else is the point of playing at all?
I'm a loki main and didn't know this.
Spectating Bronze is always a treat. It's a good ol' case of "Break 'em down to build 'em up." Gonna be really interesting to see the series evolve with Marvel Rivals.
Waffles aren't viable at higher ranks. Any syrup above gold won't actually get caught in the pockets, it just flows off the waffle and onto the chicken/bacon.
One of the things that sucks about being GM in rivals is i cant submit videos for flats to roast me. He actually roasted me years back when i was bronze in OW.
This must be a joke I don't get
gm dosent equal to 0 mistakes, u can most defo also get roasted in gm, just less to talk about, so he wont spectate it, as its boring content
@sbsftw4232 my point is I used to be bronze in OW and now that I actually got good flats would be bored watching me.
@@YOSSARIAN313how did you get into that, literally my dream job 😭
You can use an alt account
Eternity Loki here. A big tip is being patient with your ult. If you take a Luna ult for instance, and thrn transform into Luna, you will have 15 seconds to use the ult. However, lets say you wait until 2s left on the timer and THEN press R. Well, that will resset your transformation timer.
The possibilities with the hero extend by a wide margin if you utilize those couple of extra seconds.
One tip from gm loki main: Use your clones as if they were dps. I mean by this, is that placing your clones in different angles on the map or with yourself can allow you to deal major dps, allowing for major picks for the team.
Yes. People are losing out on so much free damage
So use the clones 💀💀💀 thanks man nothing gets past you
@@PvtLupaneyeah this “tip” is common sense lmao. 🤦🏻♂️
@@theoriginalstud8641 dude the guy is telling people how to use the clones not just "use the clones" I dont get why you guys are so rude to someone who wants to be helpful
@@Afeenah fr
At higher levels, waffles aren't practical. Any syrup over gold simply runs off the waffle and onto the chicken or bacon instead of becoming trapped in the pockets.
IT BEGINS
im loving this helpful content a lot and recognizing that a looot of people are totally new, thus approaching them a bit lighter! its tough to pick up a completely new type of games often times so its great to see some positive vibes : )
As a Hela main, yes please coach the Lokis. Offensive overtuned DPS ults aren't the worst to copy in lower elo either. Hela, Starlord and Spiderman are the easy ones to throw out. Namor or Moon knight to combo with Strange or Groot.
In high elo, Loki is reduced to just a 2nd copy of whatever big defensive supp ult you already have. 2nd Luna Snow ult and give your team 24 seconds of invincibility...so I hope this dude enjoys Loki while he still can lol
Maining hela is crazy, pocket hela is one thing but main? Carried like fuck
@@PewPewShootEmUp Did we call McCree/Cassidy mains carried? I get to play my hero once every 2 to 3 games when she's not banned. I just like the character
@@PewPewShootEmUp u can roast but nothing they said was wrong . They legit described hela as overturned themselves
I play a lot of Loki, and my tip for new Loki players is to constantly be aware of where their clones are. You have a lot of leeway with the clones, so constantly change their positions or move them to give your teammates immortality. Also, using your immortality just to keep your clones alive can, in rare cases, be incredibly beneficial. Also, loki does a ton of damage, so make sure you're constantly putting damage downrange as well to help your team. Also, use your replace anytime you get pressured. A lot of people have a hard time following you after you pop it.
one of the biggest things in low rank as Loki. You can stand still when your clones are out, people will think your a clone and ignore you then if they do start killing you invis or swap and run away. higher rank people are better at killing the clones so doesn't work aswell
Not really, it only work 3/10 of the time, a lot of people already learn about that in the first 3 weeks of the game launch
@@Dreadtz yeah they just shoot now, but you can go invis, step aside and stay still. They'll shoot where they think your running off too.
I'd rather teleport out though.
Old strat, and you'll usually throw faster than gain an advantage from it.
The better idea is having a clone in front of you if needed as a pseudo-tank
@@karrenliuk still worked for me in lower ranks, higher ranks doesn't matter as people kill clones as it lowers damage and healing but low ranks just walk right past
@ Could be a situational occurance as ranking my alt characters I found bronze through gold like to just go after everything thus standing still results in a quick death.
For a good player it doesn't matter because you can always adapt but if you tell a bronze loki to stand still to improve it's likely to come at a detriment. At least that's my view
Was ranking back up after the reset and when i hit I think Silver 1, it told me i was in the top 19% of the playerbase. That is a WIDE pyramid
I think it might actually be counting people who have literally never touched ranked. I don't know, just a speculation. If its only counting people who have played at least one game of ranked then I would admit that pyramid is way too wide.
Just keep in mind its for your server, not the whole playerbase. So when i was ranking back up and hit plat being in the top 9% means region and platform(i assume). Itd be scary if it meant playerbase.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 Everyone who didn't play any ranked games at all in season 0 is bronze 3 now. So it's counting those people.
I was in that situation. Reaching bronze 2 put me above 65% of the playerbase.
3:48 bro absolutely fumbled the word picnic😂
pc nice enjoyer 😂
He was waayyyy off 😂
1:40 “back in overwatch” it’s so cooked 😂
good
It's truly dead. The player numbers on steam are just sad at this point.
Saying "it's so cooked" is so cooked
edit: Apparently, I have to explain I mean the phrase "it's so cooked" is what is indeed being cooked and not the statement about the game being over.
@@Radicalbeastnah I haven’t touched it in weeks between rivals and cod. No reason to play anymore and I’ve played since the first one came out lol feels weird but no point anymore
@Tots_ most players aren't on Steam who play Overwatch 2 lmaooooo. You're just playing into numbers that actually don't match the majority. You should probably do some real research, my dude lmao
Thank you for the video.
I'm currently pushing into Gold and I come from WoW/MMORPGs and I've only played shooters casually/semi-casually.
I'm always so curious how higher ranked players feel/play at those higher ranks and their thought processes. It helps me to get in that mindset if I'm serious about climbing the rankings, etc.
There's a lot of good tips here, so I appreciate it. I especially liked the very first tip you gave regarding saving yourself vs running into bad positions to either heal or absorb damage for team mates - I do this quite often. I attempt to save the team and end up in worse positions most of the time and either flanked or just splash damaged.
The problem I run into the most is trying to fill into the team but having no real follow up the majority of the time with teammates. So I'm having to find that perfect balance between my own survivability and trying my best to assist the team. The dying less tip is quite huge and something I need to reflect upon for my own gameplay.
I do have a question though. How did, or rather, how do players climb rankings so quickly? Are you simply one-tricking all the way up into higher ranks until team building becomes more important? And when does this shift? Is it Diamon when bans start? Or even higher than that?
Thank you for the video.
Watch his bronze to gm video where he plays Captain America the whole time. He explains how he is playing differently as he goes up the ranks. But yeah (aside from having better mechanical ability) its mostly just having way more experience playing at a higher level, confidence, and the amount of pressure he can put on the enemy players at lower ranks.
no matter the rank, people are going to have bad comp and wont really play around on avg. So stop thinking of higher elo being 'better' games. It really isnt. I would argue the ego/toxicity is even higher at those ranks cause now the toxic people feel validated.
there are a lot of ways to climb quickly. Just pick your strongest hero and carry your team like Atlas. Best way to put it. This requires confidence and skill to do so.
my number one tip to climb is to pick a character and just one trick them.
learn how to play a tank or a support as well in case you do need to fill, but you want to instalock your character in 90% of your games, especially because team comps in this game aren't as harsh so you can win with 1 tank and 3 dps 2 support or 4 dps and 2 support or 3 dps 3 support as long as your whole team is good on their role. it doesn't matter if you have a 2 tanks and 2 dps and 2 support if your tanks are mediocre as compared to if you just had 4 dps who really know what they're doing and can pop off.
List of priority ults I have found so far for Loki to copy, and their utilities:
Strategists; (like flats said these are the ults you should prioritize in 9/10 scenarios)
Luna: Self explanatory, best ult in the whole game. Often times it's best just to hold you ult as loki until their luna ults, then ult a few seconds after they did so you team has the luna advantage.
Mantis: Diet Luna ult, but more aggressive thanks to the speed boost. Hand out some damage boosting to everyone and try to sleep big targets. Like Luna's, also usually best used to counter the enemies mantis ult.
Adam Warlock: Gotta be proficient with Adam to do this one, and preferrably not when your team already has an Adam since he's an off healer, but the revive can be huge and game changing.
Cloak and Dagger: Massive ult power, especially now with 4 dashes, and useful utility after finishing putting down the ult. Can use this either to push or counter another C&D ult (just know you will have to wait until they are done ulting in order to copy them).
Invisible Woman: Fairly strong ult and active healing capability during the ult, can't go wrong using it to hold an objective or just to counter another invisible woman's ult (though note you will likely have to risk getting in the field to find her)
Vanguard;
Doctor Strange: Kinda need to be proficient with him too, but the potential of his ult to win games is crazy. This will require a lot of pre-planning and trickery to pull off though because people are more and more aware of how to avoid it now. Also for all tanks and DPS going forward, you will really have to weigh the opportunity cost of your team losing a healer for over 12 seconds whenever you copy anything that isn't another healer.
Groot: Another one that needs proficiency but potentially game winning ult. Also hard counters any groot with rocket/jeff team up because it rips them right off groots shoulders. Great for securing kills against harder to hit targets like rocket or spiderman, but usually only use this when absolutely necessary.
Captain America: ONLY USE THIS FOR HOLDING AN OBJECTIVE. If the team is dead and you need to just hold and waste time, this is the ult to do it. Just jump around and mix in your shield, making yourself hard to hit.
Magneto: Only really useful as a means to qucikly react to another projectile ult, but the timing is tight.
Duelist; (rarely use these but can be good to flex with if your DPS is lacking a bit)
Ironman: Primarily just to nuke a C&D/Invisible Woman/Luna ult. Be VERY careful, you will be a sitting duck when doing this, thus should try using off angles with cover.
Moon Knight: Entirely just to have something that can nuke through immortality ults.
Psylocke: The squishy killer 9000, but outside of the ult really needs proficiency with the hero to get the most mileage. At worst, just dive in to ult but keep one dash or invisibily in order to escape. Best to use this to assassinate the enemy backline if you team has no divers or they are just lacking.
Spiderman: Same deal as Psylocke, turn yourself into a healer seeking missile and hurt their backline.
Storm: One of the better ults you can copy, really good for just instantely destroying their backline while still potentially doing major damage to the rest of the team. Lots of leeway on where you can start it. Plus storm is pretty strong coming out the ult with bonus health now, letting you continue engaging for a bit to finish things off pretty easily.
Wolverine: A bit surprising, but decent for an emergency ult to keep yourself alive thanks to his durability. Ult can be really useful to murder healers too, plus gives your team better tank shredding.
Punisher: VERY SITUATIONAL. Great if you were triple healers and you can have at least one of them pocket you for a bit.
Star-Lord: Very strong squishy deleter, jsut remember to use your flips not only to reload, but for survival as well.
Curious what other people have as their preffered ults to copy, or let me know what other utilities these ults can be used for.
Add Hela to the list. Her AC-130 ult is very useful.
@trashdakid3682 yeah, what this dude said, As someone who uses hela/punisher when doing dps.
using strange is also tough because the ult isnt as good unless you charge mealstrom first.
Peni's ult is unironically stronger than Cap's for the reason you stated to copy Cap ult. She gets 450 bonus health compared to Cap's 150, and while she receives less healing per second from webs (25 as opposed to 110) she's moving at 70% speed as opposed to Cap's 65% holding shift.
@@BunnychanFarabee ... plz refrain yourself from ever posting again
I'm sure a lot of people playing are fans of the Marvel franchise and not hero shooters. Nice to see these videos come out
I wonder whats the Mavel equivalent to the dva bomb pact
Scarlet witch ult or Punisher ult?
Always scarlet witch ult out in the open as soon as you get it
Iron Man ult comes to mind
Iron Man Tax
Strange portals into the abyss are an obvious choice but that probably doesn't happen often enough.
I'd say dying to an Ankh that's been right next to you for a minute because nobody shot it is up there.
Tough question though.
Love the "Spectating this pkayer' Series so much because A) i learn what NOT to do with the character & B) it reminds me that although I'm not cracked asf at fps games, *at least I can be a coherent, effective part of my team.* 😂😅
Big tip with Loki is to play the part, as in stay still, group up with your clones & keep your escape tool on hand if you're getting pushed too.
If you notice the enemy team is never shooting your clones, the safest thing to do is look like a clone
fr i feel like a terrible player most times but then i watch these and im like “maybe im not so bad”
I'm gald for the 'Educational' approach, cause I ended Season 0 in Plat 1 and I know that I do still a lot of mistakes, but I don't have the level (or friends with the level) to point them out and explain the solution to me. I would love for more videos like this, to help understand the mistakes that, us lower level players, cannot see. Like Flats said, it's great to analyse your games, but if you lack the level to truly catch the wrongs in your gameplay, you can't realy improve.
Watch your replays and consciously point out every mistake you notice. The solution comes from actively playing and recognizing the situation before you have to make a decision
"Kill the baby." - Flats out of context, 2025.
I appreciate the positive coach attitude, I still learn a lot either way. I’m excited to see this series transferring to Rivals. Maybe someday you can roast my trash gameplay.
Hey Flats wrt loki splash damage, his orb does actually have falloff on enemies. It does not have falloff on allies. An ally hit gets the same healing no matter what whereas the damage falls off to half if they're anywhere halfway out of the explosion.
Granted, its semantic and i felt my neck hurting trying to crane upwards to see a bit more of what was going on.
6:05 editor coming in to save Flat's career 😂
I’m so used to that terminology that I didn’t even realize how messed up it sounds out of context
I love this because I’m also having a hard time ranking up and getting passed silver. It’s awesome to hear ur input on everything,
Thank you Flats
Peni main here. You'd be surprised how many Lokis copy my ult.While it's not as impactful as say C&Ds, it gives you a massive health boost and allows you to capitalize on an advantage by running down or zoning off enemy supports.
Another Peni tip: to compound on what you said at 13:55, that corner is also a perfect place to set up a nest. It extends into the defense zone while being impossible to take down unless an enemy flanks all the way around the building, giving you a reliable fallback point.
im a loki main, dude at the start of the match already fucked up, you never waste your invis at the start... THAT IS YOUR ESCAPE TOOL and your repositioning tool... doing this at the start is asking to die at the start of a match.
another bad thing i see some loki players do is keep their clones far apart... never do this keep them within teleportation range and within 10 meters of yourself with sightlines of your allies and enemies, first point was okay tho a better spot is on the roof of that building not the first level walkway, mainly because you can see everyone and if someone dives you you can invis and there is a healthpack directly behind you on the low ground.. so you can grab it then teleport back up really fast.
against an ironman... you can technically scare him away.
also i kinda disagree but agree with flats comment on who to copy, while yes copying a support is ideal alot of the times because... double luna ults or double mantis ults are pretty nutty... i disagree with ever copying a tank.. the only time i'd ever say to copy a tank is when your tank is dead and it's a 5v5, and your tank/their tank is a strange.
tbf most of the time copying a strong dps ult is much better like... if you have a hulk and enemy has an ironman... you copy that ironman or even psylocke and use psylocke to kill their supports they don't know how you copied you get into that back line pop the ult kill at least one support then gtfo. bucky is surprisingly a decent one too because his ult actually resets the copy CD time when it resets so each time you use it your extending the duration of your copy.
also look i may not be a one above all or a grandmaster player.... but literally all i play is loki.... and if you're gonna take advice from anyone about the character itself... it's definitely from someone who actually plays the character, no offence flats. your tips are great and you are an amazing player and your tips are grounded in truth.
I think why he uses it, it FEELS like you move faster
but you don't
I did it from spawn a few times, before a Groot was walking next to me and I realized its the same speed,
With a character like Loki it's especially important to know how other characters work, and what other players/the team may need for their respective play styles no? Not just because of his kit, but also because he's a strategist at the end of the day
i love and appreciate the attempt to provide something helpful as well for newer players realizing that some if not most are new
Looking down and running away is a very typical reaction to pressure in a fight. I've learned that in martial arts. The best way to deal with it is just practice. Put yourself in pressure situations and actively try not to look down and run. And when you inevitably do it anyway, make a mental note to yourself that you just did it again, and it didn't remove the pressure. Constantly tell your brain that the solution it's trying to use against the pressure doesn't actually solve the problem. Then, in time, your brain will accept that this is not the thing to do and will start trying other things.
Also a good thing to do is remind yourself that the pressure isn't actually real. Nothing actually bad is going to happen if your character dies. You'll just respawn in a few seconds. Nothing actually bad will happen if you loose the game. You'll just play another game right after it. Remind yourself the danger is fake so that your brain can stop being afraid of it.
4:40 Why did he leave the spawn invisible & with only 2 shots in his staff? Not only did you waste your best escape tool straight away (and no you can't say incase of danger because you can just walk back into spawn) you left spawn without reloading & when you see the Psylock you at 4:50 you only have 2 shots giving her a better chance to escape.
As someone that plays a fair bit of Loki here's some quick tips:
1) Make sure all your clones have LOS on the fight.
2) When Jumped use switch first, save Rune for big burst damage & only use the invis escape as a last resort.
3) Always be looking at the scoreboard to see which character's ult to steal.
3.5) Take the characters with instant value like a Luna or a Star Lord you don't want to take someone like Hulk or Black Panther.
4) Try to stay still when fighting to confuse enemies so they don't know which Loki is the real you.
5) Never play Flank Loki your just throwing if you do.
Honestly Loki might be a bit much for lower rank players as he takes a lot of patients & mastery of the game to use to his full potential so my advise is just pick another healer until you fully understand what your doing before trying to use Loki.
Worst suggestion, you sound like a noob using Loki.
He is shooting cuz clones are up. Loki clones shoot when I shoot so u can do damage and heals from spawn
‘Never play Flank Loki’ - Loki can absolutely pop off with dps with his invis etc.
I’m so glad you’re doing this series again! Been waiting for this one since your first MR vid.
So glad to see these come to Marvel Rivals. Even when you're roasting, these videos are helpful AF.
11:30 Loki main here, lil thing i learned about his primary. the healing aoe of your primary always heals ur teamates the maximum amount, only his damage has fall off the further enemies are from the center of the explosion.
So healing u can shoot at feet, enemies you can shoot for their body. (you can't headshot)
I can't tell you how incredibly potent "die less" is for advice. Like, it seems simple, sure, but if you're just W+M1ing at the enemy team with no regard for when you're in over your head, nine times out of ten that goes real south real quick.
Self preservation goes a long ass way in games like this (be that killing/scaring off the person on you as a healer, or knowing when to dip as a tank), and every time I piece together factors that tell me when I should leave, I can tangibly feel my gameplay improve, it's insane.
I really love spectating bronze these videos are what got me into the hero shooter genre entirely, happy to see it made its way to rivals too
Yes, was waiting for Spectating Bronze for Rivals. Such a great series and beneficial for new players while also getting some laughs, keep up the great work Flats!
As someone who only briefly played OW but always enjoyed flats and loves MR now, it is really great to watch him talking about things I personally see in my own games 😊
20:20 LOL the way his body just falls over is hilarious
I really needed to hear the "let them die" tip because I always feel so bad when I think I could save someone in a situation where I KNOW that I would probably get killed too anyway.
I love the little Emotes that KLO (Editor) adds to the corner of the screen. Very adorable (And good for knowing when I should be paying close attention if I'm doing something else)
This explains the experience I had in bronze when I made my alt. This guy was clueless, which is understandable given his experience. But you don't think about these types of players existing when you queue ranked
"Don't die" is the most useful advice in Bronze and focusing on this got me to Gold. Dying means you can't contribute to the fight for half a minute, and that's a huge amount of healing, damage and pressure that you give up. Learning why and how you die and doing your best to prevent it from happening will teach you about positioning, flank angles, sticking with your team, map knowledge, enemy ultimate use, avoiding overextending, and will give you the edge in game sense over almost everyone in lower ranks.
Loki's decoy needs to be in view of the same target for the best effect.
They are a firing line, but more like a rail gun. Single file, facing forward, not side by side.
All aimed at a chokepoint.
This allows you to consistently place all 3 shots on 1 target doing big damage and heals. Both decoys in front of yourself also act as minor shields.
When you drop aoe heals doing this you can create a healing pathway to push forward or bunch them in a triangle to hold a position.
On position you maintain as many decoys up constantly in a traingle around the point or in a small line holding one side of point while jumping around healing doing damage, staying alive.
However its better to always keep an ability on hand than to max decoys. So if placing a decoy would leave you with everything on cooldown, just bank it.
A quick decoy placement and teleport can really save yourself.
If you know you're gonna need it soon best to place a safe decoy prior.
You can even front line a bit doing this and retreating.
This is safer than mirage. I find mirage is better used for instant double damgage or invisible positioning.
Say your getting pressed by a dps. Mirage step back and hit them twice. If you have aoe heals too your gonna win that fight or make them run.
As loki you gotta learn a wide range of characters
I usually steal moonknight, punisher, hela, dr.strange, luna or magneto (on purpose)
Somtimes though you get stuck with a venom, starlord, or hawkeye and just gotta wing it.
to summarize a few points of advice made:
positioning is important, that corner on spider tokyo is powerful (noted)
mechanical aim will always help no matter what type of shooter you play, lower sensitivity helps with accuracy if you have the space to move your mouse
as a support, dont chase your tank into death, and dont run into the fray unless you have a reason.
target priority, if team is healed, deal damage, if team is low, focus on healing, if being attacked escape or fight but decide quickly and decisively.
mightve missed some points but i think i got most of it here
Loki main here. A lot of people are saying this already, but here's a little twist for you. Yes, use clones as dps, but focus shots at the feet of your allies or enemies. Loki deals splash damage, which means hitting the ground reaches farther than hitting a person. I've been hard learning support since this game came out, and i want to wait until I'm perfect to start ranked (I also want a full team of 6 so i don't deal with solo queue)
Just play ranked lol
You’d be surprised what you’d learn in solo ranked 😅
Solo que is torture but ngl you can solo to gm pretty easily. Supports are really really good and can win games if you use ult wisely
it’s infinitely harder to climb ranked with a full 6 stack because the game will queue you against other 6 stacks who are probably more coordinated and better at the game than you. there are more GM+ players smurfing in 6 stacks than there are GM+ players smurfing in solos or duos. if you want to consistently climb, duo queue with someone who can flex, so that you and them can anchor your team
just play ranked bruh, no such thing as perfect.
10:33 As someone who mains Loki, you’re wrong on that count
They need better awareness yes but Loki’s projectiles deal 0 dmg or healing, only the splash does anything, so shooting the ground is the play
He literally goes on to say that it's because he's looking at the ground and missing his surroundings (like who's pressuring him).
@@EmoDragracer yea, but then the solution isn’t for him to aim his shots on his teammates but to look up but aim his shots on the ground where necessary
6:35 honestly bishock was quite hard at least for me. so i was a bit suprised that he completed the game. I don't know if you played it but i feel like in this game its importanat to have good postioning. But anyways the loki in this rank was actually not bad. I think he even deserves bronze 1 like he said maybe even a bit higher
Flats you're so *naturally* educational though. And at this point you're also one of the most knowledgeable across ALL roles. Just saying. Literally *all* vanguard guides rn are meh. You might be the hero we need.
I'm just waiting for the bronze Thor roasts that will provably go as hard as the old bronze Reinhardt roasts 😅😅😅
You spot on, your best bet on knowing when to chase and when to not is 2 fold. Understand the type of character your tank is. Don’t follow your captain America or hulk when the jump on to harass the 1v6. Wait for the jump back to heal them or try and heal them from a distance. If you see your Strange or magneto starts to agro understand if there tryin to make space or If they are diving. Basically if they are pushing back the enemy tanks as they move up they are making space, follow them and heal them. If they run past the enemy tanks they are diving. Try and heal them from a distance but don’t let the enemy tanks jump on you, play your life. Now the final big thing, if you notice the enemy team is coming at you one by one and your tanks and dps are walking them down back to their spawn getting kills. Get off the objective and follow them with your heals, because the enemy is “staggered”.
Bonus advise, pay attention to the “death bubbles” and kill feed. Understand at all times if you are up or down numbers. Let this effect your overall aggressiveness.
I've missed the "Have we got a goodie for you today"
The gameplay hasn't started yet, so I have no idea how it goes, but the sentence "I feel like I am deeply confused every game" is amazing. That's all I got rn.
i definitely needed to hear that Let them Die tip. You kinda need to get a bit closer to your team tho (at least 25m) when your healing as Loki, of course not right next to them but you need to be close enough to drop a clone and activate runes to counter ults. Heck . running out of clones and having to run up to activate the clones right next to your allies and then invis out is pretty satisfying,
i know how to play hero shooters and wouldn’t be caught dead doing the things you mentioned in the intro, despite rivals being the first shooter game i’ve ever played. now, what i’m lacking is reaction time, spatial cognition, a decent place to play the game with a mouse, time in my schedule, and my adhd brain not overheating….
When I was in bronze all I seen was 5 DPS’s and me as a healer or tank taught me not to rely on healers and memorized were all the heal stations were lmao 😂
zooming in on flats on «inching closer and closer to their team» was oscare-worthy. well done, roger deakins.
been waiting for the start of this series TY
Man deserves bonus points for locking on to moon knights ankhs I've seen plat players completely ignore them.
Something I noticed within about 10 seconds of the gameplay. This person's sensitivity is WAY too high for them.
20:23 LMAO the way loki just slowly topples over and face-plants gives *dies of cringe* vibes 😂
“You can’t outheal dumb” and he’s like “well you can outheal some damage” lmaoooo bro
This is awesome content. I was Diamond 1 last season and still was learning. Would love to see a game for every rank.
My biggest death avoidance tactics I have learned while playing loki are 1 place 1 clone up front as a sacrifice your in the middle on high ground with the best visibility preferably and have the last clone behind cover literally shadow clone jitsu strats lol
SECOND try and have that clone behind cover in your sight to get awayif needed it’s worked great for me
Now if you wanna do lots of damage have you and your clones clustered together and you can melt characters So fast when all your clones hit at once this also works great for healing. Loki its strong don’t be afraid to drop people.
Placing a clone on your team and using rune is a really great way to get healing for them aswell
One general tip is just think what you are gaining from the thing you do
I see a lot of supports attacking enemy tanks and I just wonder what goes on in their head, yes you get ult but so does the enemy support so you are just putting yourself at risk and not being ready to heal for no real benefit
The advice for tanks it's really good, where it's important for you to keep yourself alive even without heals. I play Thor alot and i don't really use his F alot just because you become very vulnerable. I can go in do some damage go out, and keep doing that and getting shields that really help me.
Alot of the time i have 3-4 people shooting me and i still don't die, altough most of the time i don't actually kill, i am still taking pressure of my team.
As someone who plays a *lot* of Loki, advice I can give: Stop moving. If your clones are down don't move until someone is actively pressuring *you* because people really do struggle with decoys. The number of times I've gotten kills or won a fight because someone starts pressuring one of my nearby clones instead of me and that reveals a threat is too damn high, or I can ignore it and keep supporting etc etc.
This might not track at higher ranks tbf where kills are probably faster on stationary targets (or with enemies like hawk/widow) so feedback is appreciated but Loki's kit explicitly allows him to break the rule of "always be moving" in my experience
“I had a series back in Overwatch….” Is CRAZY to hear Flats say. I’m all about it though.
here's a fun fact about Loki: you CAN NOT copy Cloak&Dagger once they get their ult off so don't even try to copy them while they are in you backline XD
Literally had a one trick loki yesterday, waste his clones to teleport out of spawn for point captures, ahead of our team, everyone else had been swapping for counter picks, trying to group, and everything, but this Loki kept peeling off and getting countered by the enemy Magik and Thor, two hard counters for him. He hadn't checked calling cards and just assumed no one would switch to cover. I was on dps but had a rocket racoon calling card from the new pass. But since he one tricked he wouldn't switch. For the love of everything holy, don't join competitive with only 2 heroes known. Would not take any advice about switching or checking calling cards or communicating. 3 rounds of point captures and he ends with 2.7k heals
For Loki, you should actually generally be shooting at the feet of allies as it makes where your clones aim accurate. That said you are right in their case, that they should be aiming higher. For enemies, direct damage does more than splash damage.
Flats is right about the Peni copy not working in a higher ELO. Enemy C&D was 2% away from ult, if the enemy team walked up and fought on the Peni ult, C&D could’ve built that ult in time to drop it on cart for the team to contest
Marvel Rivals has solidified itself as the #1 Hero Shooter with Bronze Replays.
I get the exact same kind of feeling and mentality when I see a punisher in my lobbies because, 1 I’m low elo, 2 he’s the character that most fresh out the womb newbies are gonna take into ranked
another thing guys, you walk the same speed forwards as you do backwards so turning and running doesn’t help unless you have a movement ability, if no movement abilities just stay shooting at them
im so glad you're doing this, community needs this i js saw someone get a viral clip on twitter saying IRONMAN needs to be nerf after he 1v1 him while ironman was being healed and stuff like that js gna turn this into ironman 2
I think a good mix of advice and roasting is good for the gaming soul.
Spectating gameplay starts at 4:39.
This was genuinely very helpful for me, thanks for making this
Im so excited for the series to come back. This is great.
I think people who are good at this game take aim for granted, I really don't like this mindset.
It literally make or breaks whether or not you can do certain things, telling the bronze Loki to fight the threat instead of running away is like telling a person who has no martial art experience to "just block the jab and counter", or if you tell a chess player "oh you should have went for development if ur not confident with dealing with the caecilian yet" when they don't even know trade advantage, or telling a new fighting game player to "just walk them down and anti-air when they jump" when they can't even do a DP motion against a training dummy. Lower rank people cannot take fights and most don't have aims that actually functions and that's why certain assumptions can't be made, imagine if you have to make a decision of fighting or running and your chance of hitting the target is 90% compare to if it's 10%, what's the correct decision there?
What if: someone's coming at you with a knife, do you: A. run, B. do 2 point contact knife parry defense after getting a good stance and recognizing the knife- ur dead
Aim and duels is not guaranteed, same way shoots are not guaranteed score in basket ball until you reach a certain level.
people in the high level unfortunately live in a completely different world.
You actually get more splash heels for hitting the ground that hitting your ally unless they absolutely need quick burst healing. As a low-key mean, it’s better to hit the ground if you’re allies or cluster together.
Loki Main here I’m in gold I love playing this character because of how good it is to have your clones in high places they never look up. They do massive damage with you and the heel output is insane. If people actually get hit by all three clones you can use the immunity field offensively by putting a clone in the back line and shooting at the supports or confusing the enemy by having a clone in the back and shooting the back, the God of the seat is fun.
God of the Seat 💀
This was a great video. Am looking forward to more especially to call out these stat merchants because they are RAMPANT.
FIRST SPECTATING BRONZE IN MARVEL RIVALS.
I spectated a friend's bronze game and I swear it was like watching somebody try to put all the different shaped blocks in the square hole except it actually never worked, not even for the square block. Just utter frustration mixed with brief moments of comedy, then sadness. And then you see they have HUNDREDS of games in Season 0 and a sub-35% winrate, so are they actually even having fun or is it an exercise in pure demoralization?
Dude, I prefer this so much more than roasts. Can you do this new "nice" format for players who just request tips and roast only those that specifically think they're better than they are? Maybe two different submission types? Coaching and roasting maybe?
So glad your doing this to many airhead dps and tanks that’s swear they aren’t getting healed when in reality they are just feeding standing in one place just taking dmg
20:20 why he fall like that 😂😂😂
Classic example of anime death 💀
“How could this happen to a god” ahhh
reason number 1000 why rocket, loki, mantis, and luna are goated: you can just shoot people when they dive and survive if you are good
totally not biased as a GM2 rocket main tho
If Loki's splash abilities are building in the bad habbit of constantly aiming down then it might be time to change to a different hero until those bad habits are gone. In any other shooter, the first advice you'd be given is to work on crosshair placement. Working on that would be a good start to fixing a lot of other problems.
IVE BEEN WATING FOR THIS EVER SIENCE MARVEL RIVALS CAME OUT AHHHHH
Flats said it in the beginning of the video, but it’s so true. If it’s you or your teammate, pick YOU! Unless you know for a fact that you can get out safely be selfish. You always want one death over two
When i play Loki i actually aim at their feet because it will make the clones aim better, where instead of aiming past the person they will all aim toward the ground where the person is not the wall behind them
As a Loki main .Loki is a not a healer. Loki is fear living in enemies heart. Loki is a God. God fear nothing trust.
23:46 I have seen people do this thing in diamond rank too. I was playing Magneto and our luna was standing right next to me on point and i basically had to save both my shield and bubble to save her and babysit her whole game because the whole other team was trying to get her. After the first round i even asked them to back off a lil bit because they kept dying to random spam damage in the brawl. They said why i was complaining because we were winning XD. The luna had more deaths than me and my other tank combined.
5:25 I am feeling this more than ever right now
I'll end games with the least deaths almost everytime, especially on Support/Strategist
People have ZERO survival instinct, they quite literally thinking that healing is just something that you brute force
Which to be fair, in this game especially.. sometimes you can, this game is a little heal spammy but generally, the way people just DO NOT disengage and use cover, and regroup is insane
It is the number 1 cause of almost all my losses while climbing, and worse of all, if im on Support... I CANT HEAL YOU
I CANT HEAL YOU, BRO. So when the game ends and you go "erm, you did 5k less healing", yeah guess what, thatll happen when you dont exist in a spot, either physically or with your current health pool, where i CAN heal you
As a Loki my favorite ults to copy are groot and CloaknDagger. two ults people are never ready for against a loki