Poker Tips: Playing Poker Against Fish
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For the Regs who really are looking to improve their game, here is my evaluation. Weak players play ABC poker. When a "Fish" check calls the flop, then comes Barreling away in a dangerous situation on the turn, it's clear that he Smashed the Turn 100% of the time. The Evaluation of the player was correct, but the adjustment was not made to counter his extremely obvious play. Looking at it from a GTO perspective, bottom 2 pair on this board is below the average river show down winning hand. If you are playing GTO, you are probably thin-calling the turn and folding the river, but if we are just slightly exploitive here, we can go ahead and sigh, and toss our cards in the muck on the turn. The biggest mistakes in poker, is not reacting to our reads.
I fed a fish today. that's all right, gotta give them meals to keep them coming back to the pond.
I gave a fish a nice meal. I had kk fish limps 5, i go 30, button shives for 150, fish calls, i shove for 350, fish calls eith KdQd and runner runners straight flush
Rule #1 when playing with fish:
Don't be a jerk!!
If you play this game for an added source of income you want the fish to keep coming back. You shouldn't do anything to turn them off on the game. Don't tell them how to play and don't complain if they suck out on you. If you can actually play the game you'll get your money back from them over time. Just be cool.
Q/10 was an absolutely awful board runout for your bottom 2 pair. You gotta figure even a complete fish completes a ton of hands. Fold seems correct. Plus, when is a fish ever bluffing here ?
It is important to know what situations a player is willing to bluff in, not just to say that they bluffed in a few previous spots. You don't want to give a player too much credit for bluffs in situations they don't normally bluff in. Most players only bluff into weakness or when a scare card hits, it is better to see a player bluff into strength before you put it into his range of bluffs, even a fish.
Ohh that was disgusting... Q6s calls a huge bet on flop ... feels like zynga lol
Fahim Shahriyar lol for sure
You see stuff like this in microstakes online real cash games as well. Just gotta suck it up, not let it get to you and not pay off to much. As Hero maybe did here. And most of all remember, that this is the kind of player, who allow you to be a long term winner. After all you would not have complained about his bad call, if you had won the hand. So you just gotta let this kind of player have his occational victory.
Yeah, but don't you see??? villain was out of position...that means he gets to go first!!!! Duh!!!
Way to fuckin ruin it lol
Well said alvn
Damn fish play anything and everything. Especially if its suited. Its what makes people like Hellmuth rage. Now and then they get lucky but in the long run just value bet your goods and take their money. I try not to let the bad beats get to me.
Knowing how villain plays top pair would help tremendously. If they tend to overrep it, then yes I think the river is a call, but if they play it rather passively, I think the river is a fold.
Really enjoy your videos. You remind me of great teachers I have had who said, it's not about getting the right answer (i.e., "winning the hand"), it's about learning how to think. Very helpful.
Thanks so much, appreciate that!
Against the average loose-passive fish, I don't think you make a lot of money by calling down with bottom two on the turn and river for 2/3 pot in this spot once we've led fairly big into 5 people on the flop - bottom two is prolly the worst hand that we ever lead the flop with for value into 5 people, so we essentially have the bottom of our range on the river and we're going to have a lot of better hands to call with (A7, A6, 66 and 77). I think bottom two is a very clear value bet if he checks on the turn and the river, tho, because he's very rarely folding Ax and he has a lot of draws that we can get value from on the turn, but I think it's a fold on the river once he bets big twice. If he is indeed very bluff-happy (and you did say that he is), it skewers the above logic a bit, but bluff-catching for almost 1/2 of our stack is not how you exploit a station fish.
I'm not sure the average loose-passive fish would even be thinking on that level though - they may well not be thinking about hero's range and instead be entirely concerned with their own hand. That said I find this sort of player really frustrating to play against. When a player makes seemingly random decisions without a structured thought process and has an apparently infinite range, it's tough to put them on a hand.
idlejim It's not about his range - his line is really strong. It's about how often we have to call with our hand. And our hand is the worst hand we're ever gone have when we take this line. We're gonna have a lot of better hands to bluff-catch with.
Good point. Especially since we would probably isolate him preflop with hands like AK and AJ.
I think we could have worse hands, any Ax of diamonds but yeah not many of them
AK-ATdd shouldn't limp behind and I would never lead 2/3 pot into 5 people with any of the other Axdd hands. I guess some people could have Axdd and play the hand this way, so from his point-of-view we could theoretically have worse than bottom two pair, but I would never get to the river like this with any Axdd hand, so bottom two is the worst hand I ever get to the river with like this. So I wouldn't have paid off the river. Prolly woulda taken one of on the turn to see what happened on the river, but once he bombs it again, it woulda been a sigh-fold for me. I would have enough A7, A6, 66 and 77 to not have to call down with bottom two. Bluffcatching with the worst hand that you can have for 1/2 your stack against a loose-passive fish doesn't make sense to me.
I have played a lot in the donkey games. In my experience, when donk makes a bet out of the blue, donk has the beans. When he bet the turn, you can assume the Q hit him. Every time. Furthermore, if he only made a pair of Q's, the ace on board would make him check. A true donk-wrangler would lay down bottom two on the turn.
JiveDadson I would have folded. It was an expensive call 450 for a 600 pot. You fell into a noob trap
Agree 100%. I called it was Q6 or Q7 when he led the turn. Sadly, like you said, this is exactly how microstakes donks play it. I can't think of a hand that we could beat if this guy is the donk he appears to be.
@@7airium7 they each had over a grand in front of them. I wouldn't exactly call this "micro-stakes".
@@DixiePokerAce I was referencing a comment someone else made about donks being the same regardless of stakes. I did not suggest this game was micro.
it depends if he is a passive fish which certainly looks like it even though he said he got caught bluffing. maybe he just got caught on the one time he bluffed. if this is the case it would be a fold for me. but if you want to know how he plays so you could use the info next time, you could call
Dude, I love the brick wall. What's with the disgusting sunset !!!???
In my experience, at low stakes vs fish, they never ever bluff turn and river.. calling the6 on the flop vs 5 players was ridiculous. What i would say, is that strength=strength
It usually goes calcalcal allin(3xpot) when they hit, or minminmin(by them) with bp on flop, or sometimes 1/2pot river bluff missed.
Donk leads out after calling 80. He's got more than a pair. Makes perfect sense he hit that queen to make two pair. Not AQ because he wouldn't have limped. He is not bluffing into the raiser with air all of a sudden. Donks don't take pot control with a draw. Obvious but brutal lay down on the turn.
Hindsight is always 20/20 - Every Poker Hand analysis ever.
lol ain't that the truth.
Isolate this hand in a void - maybe call. I think it depends strongly on how the "donkey" has been playing in prior hands. If he's not skilled, of course he can have Q6. Keeping the pot small should have been the primary mission. I disagree with you that it's a 'slam dunk' call. It's a fear ridden call. A better two pair or even a set is lurking large in that betting.
I personally often see people calling with bottom pair on flop hoping for a good card to come ignoring completely pot-odds /odds RATIO..
Little bit of analysis from playing with a lot of fish:
I think his donk on the turn has a sizing tell. This is a live cash game and live cash fish almost always underestimate the size of the pot. So when he bets out for $200 on the turn in his head he is betting out for full pot. Keep in mind this pot went multiway and villain is likely not thinking that the pot was $125 on the flop. This is a really strong fish tell IMO. Ask yourself does he really donk lead brick turns for full pot as a bluff? If you're going to take that line ever I think you either need to bet smaller to set up a pot sized bet you can fold one pair on the river to or he needs to bet even bigger to set up a river jam on all brick rivers if he's sick in the head.
Flop bet is also too small if donkeys are going to call with bottom pair and fold on brick turns in this game we need to be betting bigger to get value from what will be lots of medium sized pots with no showdown.
I'm a pretty new player and I put him on Q6/Q7 immediately when he bet the turn... wasn't it pretty obvious by his actions?
hahahaahhaahahah
Comments other than lol or hahaha would be more productive... Was I wrong in my thinking?
First of all Q6/Q7 not really in the limping range, I mean it can be but there are more PPs, suited connectors, weak Ax, Kx, BWs etc. On the other hand hero bets fairly big into 5 people on the flop. His range is super strong there, 67, A6, A7, 66, 77, 8d9d, 4d5d and AdXd, not much really. Calling against that range w Q6 is a disaster and very unlikely, you rather expect A6, A7, AQ, KJ, AT, missed FDs and random bluffs, Q6 is also in a recreational's range (as we can see) but its a very very small percentage.
Kevin is right. He's a donkey who likes to see flops with marginal hands. Donkeys also love suited cards and over value them. I put him on Q6s or Q7s after he called the flop and bet out on the turn.
Kevin Klika
I thought it was obvious too. Too many pros assume everyone is thinking the way they do. "Oh shit, he limped out of position and then had the best hand, how dare he"? Yeah he may not win overall in the long run, but if he is a fish, he isn't in it for the long run.
Nothing in this world is more satisfying than playing like a fish and slow rolling at the same time, believe that.
Flopping a low 2 pair 76 54 43 etc seems like you lose at least half the time. Any math wizards have some stats?
Rudi Storm what exactly do you mean?
hey alec. i had a hand that i was curious about. i think i played it right but would like your thoughts. i was in a tourney in the middle stages with like 14, 5 behind holding aces in late position i think just before the dealer button. the blinds were 100/ 200. i raised to 1400 with a call from the small blind. the flop came down AT6 . i wanted to keep him in the pot so i put in a bet of about half the pot. he called. then there was an x card i think it was a 3. again put half pot sized bet and again a call. then the 8 came on the river. he bets out the pot size. i think for a minute, and realize only hand he could have would be 79. he was a total fish. but i thought no way he could call that all the way down the way i played. so i raised all in. turns out he had 79. my trip aces dominated by 79. did i play it wrong? or was it just a bad beat. i feel like it was just a bad beat. but would like to hear ur thoughts.i ended up staying in the tourney and placing like 22. but that took a big chunk of my stack. what do you think?
Have to call him down with the information he gave us but against your more standard passive fish I might even fold turn and definitely river.
+Rob B True but very rarely they do that scared board might run out bad for them.
+Rob B The reason, why its called donk bet, is because, a bad player get so exited, when he make a big hand, that he just instinctively bet. He dont think about, what his bet accomplish, or if it would be better to go for a check-call or a check-raise. So its certainly possible and even very likely, that a passive fish would donk the turn, if he improved to 2 pair.
+fundiver198 Yea interesting thing flixx said once that most recreational players have a passive and aggressive side, do they weird stuff all the time so we should not make set rules for them whether they can do x,y or z or not, but ofcoarse we don't know what they're upto everytime so better to take standard line against their dominant style and adjust with reads.
Shahrukh Farooqui no way we can fold turn!!!
Alec Torelli Well you're far better player than me but i'm confident in cash game it's a good fold if a passive fish check calls and then donk pots into me atleast in lower stakes, they don't just call with air to bluff you out. If somehow it's actually a call i can't imagine it being much better than breakeven at best calling with bottom two.
The problem with fish is that they even open to a raise with Q6. When dumb dumb bets 200 on the turn, you gotta know your hand is dead and fold.
Ew. I decided easy fold on the turn. He’s repping a set or higher two pair and he’s a donk so Qx and Ax are all in his range. He could also limp/call AA/QQ pf cuz he has low understanding... I fold here on the turn when he shows an extremely strong move on the turn and wait for a better spot.
If u r gonna play Q6 suited from mid postion u make decent raise to represent a good hand. not just call it is the correct way of playing it right?
am i missing something here or my feeling is right that you present quite some hands where good decisions made you pay? Were there any other clues that could improve the outcome?
OK Need answers what is the MATH he ran to decide if calling was correct or not.
Bad call on turn and river. All you could beat was a bluff. No one is gonna raise like that with less than 2 pair and you had the bottom 2 pair. Surprised the guy called the flop $80 bet though with a pair of 6's but then he got lucky.
He did not raise. He just took the lead on the turn.
Well, I sure don't agree with the "Just gonna close my eye's, call and hope for the best" as Alec said.
The point here is, he is not a good player. A good player would never limp-call preflop, and he probably would not donk on a blank turn card either. And the thing about bad players are, they are to some degree unpredictable. And that’s why its not a bad idea to lean a bit towards a GTO strategy. Which mean thinking more about, where in your own range, you are, that what they might have. Because their logic is not the same as yours.
I have been a live player for a while, but recently moved into online poker as well. And I can tell you, there are still some crazy stuff going on at microstakes. People calling 3 streets with unimproved AQ, because they just don’t believe you. People betting twice with bottom pair. People checkraising all in on the turn with KK on A high board. People calling an open shove 40 BB deep with Q6 suited.
These are just some examples from the last 2.000 hands, I played at a microstakes game, and the list goes on and on. So saying, that he MUST have two pair or better, when he take this line, is just simply not true. Bad players take things WAY to far, and they do it both by calling, betting and raising.
Thanks dude, you're the goat! Beautiful view
You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information
You can’t be all loosey goosey eating a sandwich
Thanks Alec can you say if there is any different strategy for MTT bounty tournaments considering the bounty is 25 percent the buy in amount?
John Griffin absolutely, every format is unique
I like that brick wall - it has character. More European artistic brick walls! Lol ~_^
That was funny when hero described villain as a limpy donkey - haha.
Especially cool point about 5-way pots not to slow-play.
A fish like this will also play AK and AJ the same way. I think the call on the river is a good one. Brutal way to come out, but that's poker.
does the fact that you have the lowest two pair possible hurt your case?
it should do
fish don't seem to bluff very much to make light calls worth it.
Glenn White except for aggro fish. You know the flounder type.
may be I'm a fish too but don't think the fish play was that much out of line ... below is how I see it
PREFLOP
limp calling a raise with Q6suited in middle position maybe a little loose.. But with stacks that deep (400BB) I will occassionally call to see a flop.. also keeps my hand ranges wide
POST FLOP
this is where I think Torelli and most people (in these comments) think the call was way too loose. But I would probably make the call with bottom pair... because when our hero bets on the flop after limp calling preflop he is mainly repping Ax or better hand (Ax being almost a semi bluff). But I think the Hero could do that with all flush draws or straight draws(45, 89, 58suited), even maybe KJ,KQ,K8 type of hand with a diamond ( to steal the pot right there since most positions have already checked)... all these hands the fish is ahead of. so I don't think call on this flop is not too bad esp when we are closing the action (but like I said maybe I'm a fish too).
TURN
One could argue that the fish should just check call the turn, But hen you pick up equity and your opponents heros range has a lot of flush and straight draws (Q brought in additional straight draws) that need to be charged else they get a free card. when the fish leads on the turn, his range is mainly Q6,Q7, AQ, A6,A7,66,77. He is definitley betting for value but if he were a loose aggressive fish could overvalue and bet a hand with a queen (e.g. Qd10d). Also draws KJ,58 and 89 are also not entirely out of his range. So the Hero calling the turn is the right play (IMO)
RIVER
this is where I feel the hero should have folded. There are basically no hands in the fish range that don't beat the hero. .. because every hand hero could beat on the turn (listed above) now beats hero. So I feel the hero should be able to make a fold here. If I were in the fish position, and got to this exact spot I'd probably make a small river bet (1/3 pot) to get some thin value but mainly as a defensive bet to prevent an overbet to which I wil have to check fold. If my defensive river bet gets raised I'm almost certainly against a straight.
UA-cam is my main source of poker learning so would appreciate any thoughts/comments/feedback that could help me improve.
P.s.:this hand actually reminds me of a mike mizrachi hand ive sen.. not sure who it was against but very similar in that a two pair comes in on the turn.. and If i remember correctly it ends the same way too..will post link if I can find it
I'd love to play with anyone who ALWAYS calls this bet with bottom pair in this spot. You are going to be calling from behind way too often without enough room to improve. Your not even in an amazing spot if the none of the draws get there.
Easy fold forget the maths 3 over cards on board to your 7 which he could easily have 2 paired off with
why does it seem like every hand analysis ends with hero getting smashed lol?...torelli: you just gotta call here and close your eyes and get it in...villian turns over the best hand everytime lmao
Because people are much more likely to send in a hand, which they lost than a hand, which they won. If donkey had shown up with AJ or busted diamonds, Hero would not question himself and say "did I make the right call here?" Even though maybe he should.
I am not loving this calldown, but I dont think, its a huge mistake either. And remember, that even if you lose 2 out of 3 times, when you herocall the river, you are still winning money, as long as your opponent did not overbet the pot.
MOR PHIUS lol don't kill the messenger. I just recite the hands! And I guess because nobody questions a hand if they win :)
what is a fish and a donkey?
Alec do you read the hands all the way through before making the video? (One could only assume you do)
Joel Bennett yes because many of them aren't cut out for the show. That said I do my best to give my 'real time analysis' meaning what I would do in the moment. I never rehearse and just let it be raw. My goal is to really give people an idea of how I'd approach the situation and the game in general.
Very interesting. I love fish.
I swear when the queen hit the turn, I put him on Q6 or Q7. Only a fucking donk calls so much money before the flop with 4 more people to act with Q6 or Q7 and since he was a donkey, this kind of range makes perfect sense.
you underestimating that people in this stage rarely bluff. the riv bet must e a great red flag (he is a passive player who gets agressive) myby its a calll. but most of the time you loose. these people don t bluff enough
With five on the flop I would be leaning toward folding on the river bet thinking that at the very least the donkey has a better two pair.
That's the thing fish are calling stations once the fish bets out he usually got there I know I'm a fish lol
Hi Alec,
I usualy agree with you but i am not in this hand. I play a lot against fishs and when the start betting the Turn or River after just calling the Flop there are only two possibilities:
- He hit a draw (not possible here)
- He pickted up a Draw (not possible here)
- He hit 2 Pair (very likely here)
. I think Q6s and Q7s are the most likely hands he can have. I actually think this is a fold on the turn but if not an easy one on the river.
Do fish not bluff?
Fishes most likely to never fold and they often get lucky on turn or river .That really sucks!!!
It is always a bit awkward and uncomfortable, when people donk into you like this. However the thing is, that if he had continued to take the passive line and check-called, we would likely have hung ourselfes by betting into him on the turn and river. And lost the exact same amount of money. So at the end of the day, does this spot really matter?
Good players would never get to the turn like this, and bad players are definitly able to bet with some very random hands, which you would never have put them on. I have actually seen someone play AJ in exactly this way on a A high flop, so we cant even say, that its impossible for him to have a worse hand for value.
The question concerning your point of "lost the exact same amount of money," is whether or not the hero would size bets the same way. I don't think someone with this hand would bet every street for value, especially in position, where you can check back on the river.
Its a old video now but just saw your comment today. I definitly think, Hero would have gone for 3 streets with two pair against a fish or donkey. Sure he lose to KJ on the river and all the better 2 pair, but a fish or donkey can have and call 3 streets with any AX. Or even just a random pair, because they dont beleive you, and they dont like to be bluffed. Against a good player the river is a standard check back spot.
Q6 is my favorite hand.
You are probably a fish too, lol.
Kévin Boulay fish?What does that mean??
It means you're a poor player, who doesn't understand the mechanics of poker.
Sean Ó Briain I'm not poor,i have couple grand left
Hahaha, 2 more than me, and I haven't even started playing on-line for real cash yet.
wait for them to run out of steam
Anything can show up in the window, if u took everyones folded cards , u could find the winner in there, u have AKsFlop comes. 459, think anyone muck a 4 , 5 or 9? AQ, flop is crap, trash garbage, someone bets, u toss em away. Thats why the game is different today!
Where is the tip about secretly adding on and keeping the extra chips hidden from the fish?
I dont understand why Alec approves the call on the river, Is he ever bluffing after you bet into 5 people on the flop and called his bet on the turn. You will hardly ever play a draw aggressively on the flop against so many, and on the turn you dont have the odds to call with a pure draw. Plus Its been said many times that flushes have little implied odds because its evident when they hit the board. Alec himself says in the video that your flop bet is never a bluff. Why dont you consider A6 A7 as possible hands?
If I were on your spot i would be affraid of those. Yes, the whole "call the flop donk the turn thing" was very baffling, but after seeing his holding it turned out to be the making of an idiot who adjusts his bets to the strength of his hand. Poker is too difficult imo, I still dont know how some people like doug polk, alec, jonathan little, fedor, etc. Can out stand so impressively from the rest of us. I wish i could know what they have.
if you're insulted by the word fish... you must be the fish. lol
are you not playing tournaments anymore?
When fish do this more often than not they made 2 pairs on the turn
Been reading the comments and I can sort of understand the confusion. Alec, your a great poker player and I like the videos, that's why I've subscribed, but in this case it seems to me your doing what most pros do, your explaining the hand from a pros perspective and i'm sure most of your viewers are like me, amateurs. What is a donk, what's a fish. How many variations of these player types are there and where does our villain fit in, all that has to be clarified as much as possible first. Does a weak player bluff in that situation? Our villain almost never does. He is almost always, because he's a "fish", telling us straight up that he has a strong hand with that bet. He's a fish. There is no finesse no advanced move here. He flopped two pair and is practically screaming it out loud. Sosorry alec, I agree with shahrukh!
You need to know a few things. What does fish look like?
Is he on vacation?
Gambling?
Does he play loose?
What is his pre flop calling range?
All these things mean something.
Not raising at all pre flopwas a big mistake.
Instead of losing 100 you lost 600.
Limped pot is like a 💣 pot. No one knows anything.
You dont play possom with fish. You have to be aggressive.
Had you raisee preflol, you could have repped the ace. Fish fear the ace when they are playing trash.
You could have had a bet fold situation for a small pot instead of a big loss.
I put fish on A10 when the flop hit. Can someone please give me a proper definition of a fish? The term is used so loosely.
It just mean bad player with a low understanding of the game. You could also simply say beginner or recreational player, that would be a bit less derogatory. In a casino you might call him turist, someone playing maybe for the first time on his vacation, on a single buyin etc.
If you play onlike poker and use a HUD, a fish will have a high VPIP and usually also a wide gap between his VPIP and his PRF. So something like 51/4 or 43/21, where a winning solid player would be 21/14, 17/13 or 11/10 depending on his style.
Its safe to assume, that if someone play way to many hands preflop, then they also have some pretty serious issues in their postflop game as well. The 51/4 is more on the passive side and likely call way to much with junk, which he obviously have a lot off. He is the player, who go call, call, call with A5 offsuit on this board, because he just cant fold top pair.
The 43/21 on the other hand is more aggressive, so he is the player, who might take this line with some hands, which he completely randomly decided to turn into a bluff. Like, I dont know, J9 of hearts, whatever it might be. Hands, that he should just have folded on the flop, if he ever got that far with them.
very very informative. I need a laptop and a HUD so I can understand your percentage talk.
Don't put people on a single hand. Put them on a range.
Very good point. You don't want to get too jaded.
In fact Joseph Harris's comment is ironically a pretty good definition of a fish: Someone who would consider "I put fish on A10 when flop hit" as poker analysis. Putting someone on a specific hand with a small amount of information is bad thinking - and very fishy.
Whats the difference between fish and donkey?
the way i think of it, fish tend to be loose passive, donkeys I guess are more lag players that bluff way too often. also, fish can swim.
Tai Davis one is old school. one is new school.
In my opinion, fish tend to be very passive, and donkeys tend to be spewy. Donkeys are the ones that take really weird lines with really weird hands, like donk shoving bottom pair on the river for 2x pot when it's obvoius you have a monster. Fish only have four moves, call, call , call and call.
This said, there's no offical definition that I know of
That definition makes sense, since the term donk bet is derived from donkey. So the donkey is definitly someone, who bet or raise in spots, where he should probably just check or call instead. Like limp-calling preflop and checkraising the flop with 86 suited on T84 flop, because "LOL AK missed".
Why is this a bad move? Serious question.
I liked the whole video and explanation but at the river facing such a bet surely you know your no good? I expected him to have q7 or q8.. he's a fish so he will call with cards like that but not raise. if he had aj or ak he would have raised.. to me it was pretty obvious he hit the q on the turn to make 2 pair of some sort.. still I guess you have to make calls like that at least 30 percent of the time.
I wish somebody would teach how to play like a maniac instead of how to play against one
I do play against fish then the Saints disconnect me so the friends will stop losing. I’m permanently banned from ACR poker for cashing out three times in one week according to them that’s cheating.
Yo Alec I want to be one of the Best at Poker I live in LA can we ever link up? or something so I can join you in a Poker session or something Im always looking for ways to improve my Game
hes gonna give you the link to buy his book now haha
If you have to ask what a fish is then you are the fish
the key thing here is to tell the people, rather than the hand
why not checkraising the flop?
7PropagandaPanda7 Because there were alot of draws and if the button checked it would give 5 people a free card.
The more multiway a pot is, the less you can expect the preflop aggressor to always C-bet. So while it might be ok to check this hand from the blinds hoping, that SOMEONE behind you has an ace and will bet it, when you are 2. last to act, you kind of have to bet this yourself.
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This 'analysis' is complete BS. Staying in the hand with two shitty pairs against that board (multiple straight draws and two possible over-pairs) makes no sense.
what
All in raise
May have been caught bluffing twice but in those hands did he take the lead by donk betting the turn and river?
Even a donkey might hesitate to bet both streets with one pair.
30% to win the hand?
Maybe I'm a nit but I'd fold, I don't think I'm winning this situation 30% of the time. If folding is a mistake it's certainly not a big one.
Your first sentence is the take-home message.
This is how smart 'bluffy' players get paid - they build up an image of being the guy who bluffs, and then hope nobody pays attention to the fact that their value and bluff lines are completely different and completely face-up.
Exactly. What did those situations, where he bluffed, look like? Where they heads up or multiway? And what action took place on the flop and turn? Its one thing to fire a single bullet into a pot on the river in a 3-way pot, which nobody have shown any interest in until then. But its quite another to donk the turn into a player, who took the lead on the flop in a 6-way pot, and then fire again on the river.
looks like 1 torelli hater lol...must be a player that torelli felted
Ohh this is how to beat fish,im your fan You make me tears alec,im a fish 😢
If the guy is a known fish he can literally be playing any two cards. The only one way to beat a loose fish is to HAVE THE NUTS and shove all in. The fish will not be able to resist calling it off 99% of the time. 7/6 was a good trap hand but not the nuts. He should have been suspect when the fish called the big flop raise and then lead out on the turn. Personally, I thought he could have AQ suited or A10 suited. I was a little surprised by Q6. Still, fold and wait for a better situation. Eventually, you'll flop trips or a straight or whatever and win back the money you lost by folding. These fish love the action. They see chips and they feel compelled to call. It's just their nature like a scorpion on a frog's back.
Alex - too complicated a thought process. When a bad donkey leads out on the turn, after calling a bet on an A-high flop, he always has at least 2-pairs. These guys love betting for value against other players who they think will call with any Ax here. I see it all the time where villain pulls this move and hero punts off giant portions of his stack on the paired A. Hero's hand is good never, with only 4 outs to improve. As sick and exploitable as it is, its a fold on the turn by hero. Only other option is to raise and rep top 2 or something. Wouldn't do this a lot because a donkey will never fold 2-pair if flush draw doesn't fill.
Thanks for the feedback.
players like this make weird blocker bets with A5 all the time. i was at Harrahs a.c. the other day, raised AJ, one guy called me and donked into me on all 3 streets with A9. then he was shocked he lost. against a guy like this its an easy call just sucks when they have some goofy hand like Q6
A blocker bet means, you bet small hoping, that it prevent your opponent from making a bigger bet himself. These bets are not particularly small, so they dont fall into the definition of a blocker bet.
fundiver198 he bet roughly 2/3 pot both times. not a particularly small bet, but not that big either. i don't think there's a rigid definition of a blocker bet as a tiny bet, the way I think of it is it is designed to block an opponent from betting and set your own price for the hand. they tend to smaller but that doesn't mean they have to be tiny.
To me the situation, you describe with A9, sound more like someone, who does not really know, why he is betting.
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Q6 or Q7 is what I thought he had
why not raise at river and rep that you have Ace/something?
oh man, c'mon alec i was eating.
Your guesses are wrong a lot of the time. Over thinking?
when playing fish tight is right
tight is left
You call this guy a fish but you sir got OUTPLAYED!
Isn't it frustrating when the donkey on the table always have a hand against you only?
the guy was called donkey though :G
and the "fish" guy didnt even play the hand
How sick are all of us of: You have to understand that everything you do at the poker table conveys information. You can't be all loosey goosey....
when he bet 200 in the turn. I really though.... he have 6Q
Another piece of advice from Alex on how to play versus fish: angle the shit out of them
Vs fish hmmm....passive or aggressive?
pagressif!
Isn't that player a Donk and not a Fish?
Had to un sub. Just cant take the cut scenes and or music in between streets. Drives me nuts
Totally understand. We've fixed that in our latest videos. Check the last 2 we released, I think you'll like the improvements. Appreciate the feedback.
he is a fish and you knew it, I would fold this shit he could have any two cards , I see this players every day
turn down the volume on the intro ffs
I’d have shoved the flop here, because he could fold, we have two pair and a flush draw.
They are pretty deep stacked though
how brutal was that jesus christ
all in with aakk suited,in omaha, after 3 times reraise , then 3 players go all in, i call, ia against 5577 and qq with my aakk suited, and tht guy with just qq wins pot, with on flop q10jturn, k,just ff unreal how thoos eplayers calls al in with crapy hands, like just qq, vs aakk suited and get then mirrile lukc what the fuck can you do baout that, i now hatjust nothing,
How to play 76 like a complete fish.
he played it right on the flop and by all measures of reasonableness that should have been the end of the hand...after that though, you may be right...
Why do you always have to talk about the negative complaints about your videos before doing them each video??? Waste more of my time please