This was awesome. I always had this weird theory that the old gods could have been a part of the Evanuris' souls. If Solas had to lock the Evanuris away, perhaps he had to make them less powerful. We know that the Evanuris were the only ones who could/were allowed to turn themselves into dragons. We know that there were nine elven patheon, not counting Solas and Mythal, that makes seven. And there are seven old gods. If Solas sundered the soul of the evanuris in half, then locked their eleven self in what we know as the black city and their dragon self in the abyss with the titans. So, when the old gods contacted the magisters, then tricked them into the Golden city, were the Evanuris were. Now if they were as evil as Solas paints them as, then perhaps what they wanted most was to get revenge on Solas. And what better way than to destroy the world he attempted to safe, hence the archdemons and blights. This would also explain why Solas never mentions the forgotten ones, because they are the same as the Evanuris. There is a lot morew to my theory, but now I am just starting to rant :P
I saw in another dragon age theory channel that the 'Forgotten Ones' may have infact been former slaves like Solace who were leaders among those rising up against the Elven Gods. Solas might have just been the most prominent one, and had some sort of connection to Mythal, which would explain why he was counted among both groups. The reason they are 'Forgotten' is probably because they hadn't been prominent enough or for long enough to become 'established' in lore, plus I would expect the Elf gods would have tried to erase their legacy.The channel also seems to insist that the 'blight' and even red lyrium might even have been used by the Elf gods against their enemies and/or eachother. The blight is clearly present on Thedas since nearly 1000 years before the first blight due to it's presence in Red Lyrium in that Ancient Thaig, very mysterious.
FYI, I'm rewatching this series after watching your cent Mythal lore episode. It is fascinating considering what I learned from you and the perspectives in play.
And who else do we know that solves his problems by locking away his undefeatable enemies? The dreadwolf. Wouldn't it be so ironic if General-Solas did this to win a victory for his people and some time later his evanuris-buddys went crazy with power and fell for the exact same trick?
I always thought personally that the forgotten ones may have been the original rulers or leaders of elvenahn way before the Evanuris rose to power. That may explain why they were named forgotten if the pantheon banished them, they didn't want the people to remember their benevolent leaders perhaps?
Solid. I've been in the 'they are probably just evanuris or forgotten ones reaching the magister Sidereal through dreams guised as 'old gods'' camp for awhile now due to the fact that we have so little to go on them... and what little we do have to go on seems... spurious... but, this is an interesting take! I would definitely like more info on them though... hopefully we learn a lot about the Old Gods in the next game. Looking forward to the next part
Sarah Marie James Hm...I hadn't considered that. I guess I just assumed they were always there; like the elves. "I just don't know why your people want to look like that." -Keiran. What if dragons were the very first creatures to exist besides spirits? O.O **puts on tinfoil hat**
Interesting thoughts indeed. I don't buy into the archdemons= old gods theory of the chant anyways. Even the chapter around Tevinter origins, they imagine that the Dreamers could have contacted powerful demons. (Or as I think the Evanuris actually. So my guess is old gods =Evanuris)
Honestly, I think the War was actually against the Blight. The way that Solas speaks about the Blight, and the way it wouldn't end even if the Old Gods were all killed and how protective he is of the Old Gods, sounds like a rather personal thing. Solas is very vehement regarding the Grey Wardens and even disapproves of them remaining, and then counterpoise that with Flemeth/Myth and Morrigan's desire to maintain what once was including the Old Gods and Dragons. I have a radical theory that as the Creators and Mythal's role as the mother, that she found a way through Lyrium, Blood and the Fade to somehow create magically powerful and sentient life. These were the Old Gods, filling in the Myth of Mythal being the mother in the Pantheon despite her children not being as is recorded. She was eventually killed for this knowledge, and perhaps her children rebelling. The Forgotten Ones meanwhile are a "Most Wanted" List of the Evanuris. Those are just my theories.
It's a great theory, I like it. But I have a number of questions. 1. Who made a deal with the Titans? The Elven people did it? 2. If the deal was concluded by the Evanuris, does not that mean they were already kings or gods?
I have some doubts about the words of Solas. Seven generals from the same family. Indeed? Each of them. Father, mother and five children. It's so weird. Just my thoughts.
The hive mind is common to dwarves and darkspawn. That is why the Titans must have something to do with the Archdemons. And I do not think it's just that everyone is underground. The question is: Why dwarves hear calling of the Stone (Titans) less than darkspawn hear calling of the archdemon. Even if the archdemon (also) is asleep. It is something with the taint. I gues. :-/ Codex entry: Orzammar History: Chapter One "Sleeping deep in the Stone itself was the archdemon. They (darkspawn) found him, and awakened him, and the Blight began." ... IN THE STONE ITSELF :-)
I'm convinced that the titan who gave rise to Red Lyrium was the true source of the Blight and it's disciples, it's version of the "pure" that we see in The Descent, were the first darkspawn. After all the Dwarven Kingdoms were the first to fall. If your theory is correct then Dumat was imprisoned withing that red Titan. However how did that titan become infected? Was it a result of some physical form of madness brought on by the veil that Solas created? We know that lyrium is the blood of the Titans and we know that like the old gods, they too are hibernating, the fade is said to be the world of dreams and the old gods reached out though dreams. Lyrium is the vehicle in which mages are sent to their harrowing... So the Titans and the old gods are connected to the world of dreams so this idea that they could be interconnected (old gods and Titans) makes sense.This raises the question of what caused the first blight? How did Dumat and his Titan host get corrupted? Why is Solas so convince that the Wardens are foolish and dislike them? Any thoughts Kingdom?
What if the Old Gods are to the Evanuris ahat the Guardian of Mythal is to Mythal? This could theoretically mean that the Evanuris are calling the Darkspawn THROUGH their guardians/vessels, but not actually being there. It is possible that this was their intention when calling the Magisters to the Black City (likely Arlathan). They called them to the Black City THROUGH their dragon servants in order to free them. But something must have gone horribly wrong.
This. Though I suspect Andruil didn't mind the Blight spreading. Someone, somewhere, actually wanted the destruction of the world, perhaps if only because it would hurt the Titans.
My Theron's a lot more simple. I believe there was many great wars and time and legend has been mixed up and facts muddled. First the history Thedas seems to start with the maker. Really it's where all this starts. The maker co existed with large being who seemed to tap into the forces of the world. Wether Titans are huge beings or they use these large bodies to use their magic is uncertain. Titans are really energy with awareness. The maker who is unknown as to physical appearance was the first Titan to commit to a solid form. The maker and the Titans seemed to be the first to go to war. The elves may have existed the same way as the other residents of Thedas at the time and didn't have magic. A simple term used to describe the living energy entities of the time. The product or perhaps the death of a Titan resulted in the creation of bits of fade and the elves tapped into this resource the way we tap into oil and use it to our benefit. The maker resides on the other side of the fade. The elves for some reason couldn't move through this sea of energy but came close. The chantry lore does come very close to this. Then of course the second huge battle occurs between the elves themselves. The dragons many may be the only creature who could travel,through the fade like ships and survive the journey. A little mind boggling but that's my theory.
This was awesome. I always had this weird theory that the old gods could have been a part of the Evanuris' souls. If Solas had to lock the Evanuris away, perhaps he had to make them less powerful. We know that the Evanuris were the only ones who could/were allowed to turn themselves into dragons. We know that there were nine elven patheon, not counting Solas and Mythal, that makes seven. And there are seven old gods. If Solas sundered the soul of the evanuris in half, then locked their eleven self in what we know as the black city and their dragon self in the abyss with the titans.
So, when the old gods contacted the magisters, then tricked them into the Golden city, were the Evanuris were. Now if they were as evil as Solas paints them as, then perhaps what they wanted most was to get revenge on Solas. And what better way than to destroy the world he attempted to safe, hence the archdemons and blights.
This would also explain why Solas never mentions the forgotten ones, because they are the same as the Evanuris. There is a lot morew to my theory, but now I am just starting to rant :P
Shinarydk Stay tuned for part 2 ;)
It's not odd. I've believed this ever since I finished DAI.
I saw in another dragon age theory channel that the 'Forgotten Ones' may have infact been former slaves like Solace who were leaders among those rising up against the Elven Gods. Solas might have just been the most prominent one, and had some sort of connection to Mythal, which would explain why he was counted among both groups. The reason they are 'Forgotten' is probably because they hadn't been prominent enough or for long enough to become 'established' in lore, plus I would expect the Elf gods would have tried to erase their legacy.The channel also seems to insist that the 'blight' and even red lyrium might even have been used by the Elf gods against their enemies and/or eachother. The blight is clearly present on Thedas since nearly 1000 years before the first blight due to it's presence in Red Lyrium in that Ancient Thaig, very mysterious.
FYI, I'm rewatching this series after watching your cent Mythal lore episode. It is fascinating considering what I learned from you and the perspectives in play.
And who else do we know that solves his problems by locking away his undefeatable enemies?
The dreadwolf.
Wouldn't it be so ironic if General-Solas did this to win a victory for his people and some time later his evanuris-buddys went crazy with power and fell for the exact same trick?
I always thought personally that the forgotten ones may have been the original rulers or leaders of elvenahn way before the Evanuris rose to power. That may explain why they were named forgotten if the pantheon banished them, they didn't want the people to remember their benevolent leaders perhaps?
Solid. I've been in the 'they are probably just evanuris or forgotten ones reaching the magister Sidereal through dreams guised as 'old gods'' camp for awhile now due to the fact that we have so little to go on them... and what little we do have to go on seems... spurious... but, this is an interesting take! I would definitely like more info on them though... hopefully we learn a lot about the Old Gods in the next game. Looking forward to the next part
Relevant question: Where do dragons come from in the first place?
Sarah Marie James Hm...I hadn't considered that. I guess I just assumed they were always there; like the elves.
"I just don't know why your people want to look like that." -Keiran.
What if dragons were the very first creatures to exist besides spirits? O.O **puts on tinfoil hat**
Love your theories. Waiting for part 2!
Interesting thoughts indeed. I don't buy into the archdemons= old gods theory of the chant anyways. Even the chapter around Tevinter origins, they imagine that the Dreamers could have contacted powerful demons. (Or as I think the Evanuris actually. So my guess is old gods =Evanuris)
Honestly, I think the War was actually against the Blight. The way that Solas speaks about the Blight, and the way it wouldn't end even if the Old Gods were all killed and how protective he is of the Old Gods, sounds like a rather personal thing. Solas is very vehement regarding the Grey Wardens and even disapproves of them remaining, and then counterpoise that with Flemeth/Myth and Morrigan's desire to maintain what once was including the Old Gods and Dragons.
I have a radical theory that as the Creators and Mythal's role as the mother, that she found a way through Lyrium, Blood and the Fade to somehow create magically powerful and sentient life. These were the Old Gods, filling in the Myth of Mythal being the mother in the Pantheon despite her children not being as is recorded. She was eventually killed for this knowledge, and perhaps her children rebelling. The Forgotten Ones meanwhile are a "Most Wanted" List of the Evanuris. Those are just my theories.
It's a great theory, I like it. But I have a number of questions.
1. Who made a deal with the Titans? The Elven people did it?
2. If the deal was concluded by the Evanuris, does not that mean they were already kings or gods?
Oh, that's a good point. It could have been the Evanuris as generals. As in, the war only ended once they made the deal with the Titans.
I have some doubts about the words of Solas. Seven generals from the same family. Indeed? Each of them. Father, mother and five children. It's so weird.
Just my thoughts.
Maxium G HE doesn't say they're family. That may be no more than a legend
May be it's a legend, right.
The hive mind is common to dwarves and darkspawn. That is why the Titans must have something to do with the Archdemons. And I do not think it's just that everyone is underground. The question is: Why dwarves hear calling of the Stone (Titans) less than darkspawn hear calling of the archdemon. Even if the archdemon (also) is asleep. It is something with the taint. I gues. :-/
Codex entry: Orzammar History: Chapter One
"Sleeping deep in the Stone itself was the archdemon. They (darkspawn) found him, and awakened him, and the Blight began."
... IN THE STONE ITSELF :-)
I'm convinced that the titan who gave rise to Red Lyrium was the true source of the Blight and it's disciples, it's version of the "pure" that we see in The Descent, were the first darkspawn. After all the Dwarven Kingdoms were the first to fall. If your theory is correct then Dumat was imprisoned withing that red Titan. However how did that titan become infected? Was it a result of some physical form of madness brought on by the veil that Solas created? We know that lyrium is the blood of the Titans and we know that like the old gods, they too are hibernating, the fade is said to be the world of dreams and the old gods reached out though dreams. Lyrium is the vehicle in which mages are sent to their harrowing... So the Titans and the old gods are connected to the world of dreams so this idea that they could be interconnected (old gods and Titans) makes sense.This raises the question of what caused the first blight? How did Dumat and his Titan host get corrupted? Why is Solas so convince that the Wardens are foolish and dislike them? Any thoughts Kingdom?
...Stay tuned ;)
hahaha! you know it!
What if the Old Gods are to the Evanuris ahat the Guardian of Mythal is to Mythal? This could theoretically mean that the Evanuris are calling the Darkspawn THROUGH their guardians/vessels, but not actually being there. It is possible that this was their intention when calling the Magisters to the Black City (likely Arlathan). They called them to the Black City THROUGH their dragon servants in order to free them. But something must have gone horribly wrong.
This. Though I suspect Andruil didn't mind the Blight spreading. Someone, somewhere, actually wanted the destruction of the world, perhaps if only because it would hurt the Titans.
My Theron's a lot more simple. I believe there was many great wars and time and legend has been mixed up and facts muddled. First the history Thedas seems to start with the maker. Really it's where all this starts. The maker co existed with large being who seemed to tap into the forces of the world. Wether Titans are huge beings or they use these large bodies to use their magic is uncertain. Titans are really energy with awareness. The maker who is unknown as to physical appearance was the first Titan to commit to a solid form. The maker and the Titans seemed to be the first to go to war. The elves may have existed the same way as the other residents of Thedas at the time and didn't have magic. A simple term used to describe the living energy entities of the time. The product or perhaps the death of a Titan resulted in the creation of bits of fade and the elves tapped into this resource the way we tap into oil and use it to our benefit. The maker resides on the other side of the fade. The elves for some reason couldn't move through this sea of energy but came close. The chantry lore does come very close to this. Then of course the second huge battle occurs between the elves themselves. The dragons many may be the only creature who could travel,through the fade like ships and survive the journey. A little mind boggling but that's my theory.