2017 Mazda MX-5 RF Hard Top Review and Road Test | DETAILED in 4K UHD!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- It's hard to tweak perfection, but Mazda decided to try with the 2017 MX-5 RF hard top. Ditching the canvas top will no doubt make purists cringe but the truth is that although it does dull the MX-5 slightly, it makes the affordable roadster attractive to a broader audience. The real question is: can a hard top make the nearly perfect roadster even better? Or should you spend your money on something else?
0-30 : 2.2 Seconds
0-60 : 6.5 Seconds
1/4 Mile : 14.7 Sec @ 91 MPH
60-0 Braking : 111 Feet
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I just bought the MX-5 RF GT, love it. I like the Fiat Spider as well but their customer support was awful, Mazda is the way to go! Good Review!
Clicked as soon as I was notified. Love this car to death, wish to own one soon. Hope you feel better soon Alex!
Seeing Alex sitting in the trunk of that mx5 has truly made my day :)
A wrong fact in the video: The 2.0 engine is available in Europe, only difference is we can also get the high-revving 1.5 liter engine which the US does not get
Still the most information per minute for car reviews on the internet. Thanks Alex!
Great review, Alex! I am absolutely in love with the styling of this hardtop model! I cannot wait until I can get my hands on one of these Mazda MX-5 RF Hard Top's to review, as well. I hope you feel better soon! From one car reviewer to another, keep up the great work! 👍
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Hope you get better soon.... the best car reviewer in the world
Love this review. Thorough and thought out. I've watched 20+ miata videos as I'm picking mine up in a few weeks and I don't know how to praise you more than to say this is the only channel I subscribed to.
I love Miata's. It's a true drivers car
Great review Alex. One small correction though, the Fiata manual transmission is borrowed from the NC, not the ND.
First review of yours that I have seen, and you nailed it. Great in-depth look at the car.
Mazda came up with the same answer as Colin Chapman, "Simplify and add lightness".
Maybe my biases exactly mirror yours, causing me to be duped. ..I dunno....but think that you're a pretty damn good reviewer. You "get it" with sports cars.
Subscribed.
These reviews are ridiculously good...... Alex will be the car review king of UA-cam, I have no doubt.
i like that the shift select is oriented correctly with up shift back and downshift forward.
You are the most comprehensive reviewer on UA-cam. I love your videos!
I would never drive a miata convertible, but the hard top is more interesting.
I would never drive a hard top MX-5. The convertible is the only way to go.
The Fiat does not use the same transmission as the ND Miata. Also, it has a stiffer suspension with less body roll than the Miata, not softer. It actually uses the one from the NC. Also, the Miata GT trim level does not take away the LSD.
In the 2016+ MX-5 the seat rails are inclined (angled?) so the closer to the steering wheel you move the seat, the higher the seat rises. A lightweight solution for adjusting the seat height for some drivers.
Enjoyed the review. My wife just bought a club hard top. We have a soft top loaner waiting for delivery. It is "pollen" season part 1 here. I have noticed, cleaning the green pine pollen isn't easy off of the soft top. She wanted the hard top, and she's the boss! I think it will be easier to keep clean.
By far, the best mx-5 review out there
Alex, your reviews are always so detailed and top-notched. Thank you!
Great review as always, Alex. The critics nitpick: the Fiata doesn't use the same gearbox as the current MX-5: it uses the one from the previous gen, due to torque.
We're both half right. The automatic is the same, the manual is from the old one.
Alex on Autos Ah yes! That's why you're the reviewer and I'm the critic 😀
Alex on Autos IIRC, the 6 speed auto in the current MX5 is a carry over from the old MX5.
While we're being critical, the price difference between the soft top & RF is closer to $3000 than $2000. For the Club, it's an additional $2,755. For the GT, it's an additional $2,555. This is the case for automatic or manual transmissions. I assume the difference is smaller on the GT because the thicker soft top is already higher cost.
Another thing worth noting, the seat adjustment rails are actually installed on a slope, so when you move the seat forward, it also moves up. It won't work for everyone, but in most cases, those that need to be closer to the wheel & pedals will also need to be higher up. It works pretty well for my wife at 4'-10" & myself at 5'-8". Your assumption that 6'-1" to 6'-2" is approaching the upper limit does seem to generally be accurate.
Overall, good review. I don't agree with some of your subjective points, but I feel like you covered things well.
Great review Alex. I'm with you in preferring the soft top MX5, which I bought last year and love it!!
I have a 2014 Miata hard top, I get 30.8 mpg driving it in auto trans setting. It's not a car, it's a work of art.
Bravo. This has to be the most factual and informative review. Cheers.
Thanks, Alex. As always, you are one of the most informative reviewers. Lots of info, with comparisons.
People don't understand how tires affect handling, other than BIGGER TIRES MORE GRIP. Tire compound is also an important factor in grip. Bigger tires on a car not designed for such big tires result in numb handling, imprecise cornering, more wear on the suspensions because it's over-gripping and all of that force gets translated to the stock suspensions which are not meant to handle that much force.
Rather than an optical disc player they could've squeezed in a backup camera. I'm quite sure the former weighs more than the latter.
Hard top seeking soft bottom
DimachkaS 😂😂😂
Hey Alex, question... Does the RF have very loud wind noise and buffeting at high speeds when the top is down? I've seen some reviewers call it "unbearable." Did you find that to be the case at say, above 60mph?
Best review I have seen on this vehicle. Great job
Great review as always...
the hard top in the previous gen Miata functioned exactly as the soft top does. same structures same lowering design. and had a complete open cabin.. no side buttressing...
honestly the soft top is super easy to lower and raise from inside the car anyway.
I was surprised by your noise rating. I would think the hard top would be substantially quieter.. if it's not. then what's the point...
I never did any extra care on my soft top Miata except car washes.... and they all lasted 10 years at least.
love your reviews....
I had an 07 PRHT, & it was notably quieter top up than my 16 ST. I am also surprised that the RF isn't quieter as well. Of course, my 07 was quieter top down than my 16 is also, so it may be more of a difference in the full design of the car. I never drove an NC soft top to compare.
Damn man,that was one good video that you made here.All I wanted to know,and in a high quality too.Well,thank you!
A reviewer in another video said mazda sells more hard tops than soft tops and he also said the RF trim was designed for people that don't want to go topless much. I bet more automatics are sold as well. Manuals transmissions unfortunately are becoming a rarity.
This particular MX-5 is definitely a collectible (another solid review Alex). BTW, I assume this applies to the entire country but I know in California, it will be mandatory to have a back-up camera for new vehicles starting in 2018. Also, disappointed with loud cabin noise with the top off. Seems like possibly its a (weather) seal issue.
This was the best Miata RF review. Thanks Alex.
Awesome car and excellent review! Just wanted to add an fyi, we do get both 1.5 (131hp) and 2.0 liter (160hp) versions in Europe.
Something to notice, i bought a 2016 hard top miata which includes backup camera, it was an optional; so it's not included because they would add weight (ridiculous to thin k of it like that, they weight 50 grams or so), but because it was an extra at the time.
You mentioned no backup camera to save weight, but doesn't that new backup camera requirement for all new MY2018 vehicles go into effect soon? Nice, thorough review as always.
Thanks for your dedication. :)
Excellent review!
I was hoping to hear a comparison about the part immediately behind the driver. The RF has the buttresses there all the time as opposed to the soft top version where the back is clean... I get the feeling that the RF is not a true convertible because of that... Though in my opinion it looks even better than the soft top. What do you think?
If the next few years are good to me with regard to my business and/or licensing my patent, then this is exactly the car I will buy.
Thanks Alex. Another Great review. You sound fine!
20:10 Transmissions are not exactly the same, 124 has the one from the previous gen MX-5 because the new one can't handle the torque from the turbocharged engine.
I wouldn't say that softer suspension is a con, it's the matter of taste - some people are looking for grand tourers.
I believe most people wouldn't view Fiat 124's "unique look" as a Pro.
Just discovered your channel. Very well done, thanks.
Epic car. Mazda have really turned this car around over the last 5 years.
I'd much prefer they made it a traditional targa where you have to manually lift out the targa roof and put it in the trunk. This complicated power nonsense not only costs a lot more, but when it breaks, and it will, it'll cost a small fortune to repair.
They're not perfect, but the PRHT on the NC was very reliable. We never had an issue with ours in 96,000 miles. We did have the window regulator go out (which prevents the top from working as well), but that can happen with the soft top as well. Even if you do have issues, it's no more expensive than a replacement soft top, & those wear out as well. A manual targa isn't bad, but I suspect most would prefer the convenience of the power targa over the additional reliability of a manual one.
i like the style of your videos, but you should add the black lines (for example at 13:32) before adding in the blue element on the right side
Love it,have one with soft top❤️👍
OK, the hard top is for fans of coupe's who like the idea of a big sunroof on sunny days. The soft top is for the roadster purist. The MX-5 is for all lovers of a brilliant little Japanese sports car!
I prefer the hardtop for anti theft protection. I feel as if someone could easily rip through the soft top if they wanted to.
RF hardtop is the choice.Beautiful engine bay.
Undoubtedly tremendous value for money - but will Mazda build enough to satisfy the demand?
I am waiting for VolksWagen Atlas test! Thx in advance, Alex
You one of the best car review. Thanks.
I love roadsters and I wish there were more of them.
Thank you for this great review!
lol Alex you said in the comparison the mx4 was better than the z4.
Excellent review!
It seems if you want a pure fun car that isn't practical for a daily driver, than an MX-5 is the better choice. But if you want a more practical daily car that can be fun, then a Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ is the better option.
So in short
Miata = 2x fun/not practical
86 = fun and practical
Great review! If Mazda refreshes the rear light layout, it might become more attractive to me. It just doesn't look good from the back when I see it on the road. All other angles are excellent though!
We just bought a 2017 CX-5 Grand Touring, and it's neat to see the similarities between two cars that are so different. BTW, your review of the outgoing CX-5 is what initially sold me on the car. It just took many months of hemming and hawing to actually pull the trigger. Keep up the great work... you're my favorite car reviewer on UA-cam or otherwise.
They should have gone with a removable top. It's simple and it works. I cringe at the thought of the folding mechanism failing.
The Fiat does not use the same manual transmission - it actually uses the transmission from the previous generation Miata.
I would never get the fiat they are so unreliable! Mazda for me all day long but you are amazing at your reviews Alex!
Always watch your review first for any car, but I just realized that you don’t really talk about the spare tire that comes with the car. Any reason for that ?
Great review very knowledgeable how would you modify soft top mx5??
How annoying was the passenger's side floor bump/bulge from the
transmission tunnel? Where you like, "WTH? Where's my legroom?" when you first sat in the passenger's seat?
Excellent reviewer.
Hey Alex could you do a review of the 2017 Audi a4. Really interested in your thoughts on it
Never owned a convertible. What maintainance does a cloth top need?
None.
don't stab it with a knife and you should be good
Nice video.
Review the new CX-5 pleeeeease. And compare to the new CR-V. I saw both of them on road now.
svoft top (18.30) :P
Darn it!
"svelte soft top" = svoft top
Alex on Autos. Are you going to do a review of the Volkswagen Atlas ?
Hey AoA! When are you going to get around to the Bolt EV?
What the hell do you mean ''we don't have a back-up camera back here because that would mean extra weight'', that is an insane statement.
A small 2 seat sportster that is anything but A+ handling is giving up way too much practicality for the fun level.
I think he was comparing it to other mainstream convertibles. Surely compared to other cars in general it would be an A+..
Hate the nonfactual info in car reviews on youtube, but also everywhere. Although the smaller engine is not available in the US, two engine choices are available in most of the world.
A backup cam does not add any considerable extra weight! it's a few grams, plus maybe half a pound for cabling! Raa Raa! I am angry! XD
What's safety like on the highway? Want to get one to go to work, 20 miles one way
So my wife's Honda Pilot does 0-60mph in 5.9 seconds. That's sick.
Seems like the Abarth 124 would be your pick and you don't mention it?
Awesome videos
I think this will be my next car.
All those stone chips on the front bumper :o
I want Mazda to work with BMW to exploit their development of carbon fiber (for the i3) to reduce the weight of the Miata even further. Since it's a low-volume car, the downsides of carbon fiber's slow manufacturing rates would be minimized. Without any other changes, direct-replacement parts for the hood, roof, buttresses, retract mechanism, and trunk lid would all do good things for handling with zero engineering effort.
I also would be in favor of a fixed roof coupe. It would drop the weight since it wouldn't need any retract mechanism/motors, the trunk could be expanded, and the frame would be stiffer since the buttresses & roof would be structurally integrated.
And of course a turbo to bump the power to 200 hp wouldn't be bad, either.
I would ditch the CD player and get a rear view camera.
Great review! I would however buy a similarly priced Camaro, which is better in every single aspect, except gas bill.
And higher maintenance and lower reliability and is not a convertible and ...
Valter Vilar maintenance is negligible for newer cars, and so is reliability. Convertible? I hate convertibles...
I'm not sure what your idea of better is. The Camaro should be faster in a straight line, & is more practical, sure. The Miata has much better visibility, is much lighter, & much smaller. It'll be easier to park & easier to fit though cone gates at an autocross (allowing for better racing line overall). If you want to drag race, if you're too tall, or if you need space for more than 2 people & 6 reusable grocery bags, get the Camaro. If none of these concerns describe you, I suspect you'd be happier in the Miata.
Daniel Isbell thanks for the reply. Maybe because I hate anything from Japan but I'm trying to be objective here. Camaro is already a pretty small car that is poor in terms of practicality, while the Miata simply even worse. From the footage of this review I found that Miata is even more cramped inside, plus a even smaller trunk. More importantly Camaro has a much better power train, and of course, a much better look.
David Wu, just out of curiosity, what makes you tend to dislike Japanese cars? Is it styling, the fact that historically (if not still always true) they were smaller cars with smaller engines, or something else? I understand that styling is part of your concern here, but I'm wondering if that's always the case, or if there's something else.
As far as practicality goes, it really depends on the situation. If you're single & rent an apartment, a Miata is fine. You won't be carrying a lot of people & once you have furniture, generally won't need larger home items. On the other end, if you're married & your spouse drives something larger daily, you can rely on the larger vehicle when you need to carry things, though kids can complicate it. It gets good enough gas mileage to be a reasonable option for people with longer commutes as well. In addition, they're typically cheap to insure. Specifically, our previous Miata cost less to insure than the Mazda3 it replaced.
How you feel inside of one will largely depend on your size. I feel more comfortable in my ND than almost every other car I've been in. It feels like it was custom fit to me. Everything is easily within reach (except the 12V outlet), & I never feel crowded. If I had to ride in the passenger seat, it might be a different story. Fortunately for me, I always drive it, & my wife is short.
Whether one car or the other has a better powertrain is a complicated question. The 2017 or newer Miata should be extremely reliable. The 2016 had an issue with the manual transmission that has since been fixed. My experience with GM is that the powertrain is the one reliable thing they made, so I wouldn't expect to have too many issue there either. Sure, the Camaro makes more power regardless of engine (Note, V8 is in a different price bracket), but it's also a much heaver car. Neither car is underpowered. We're only talking ~.5s difference in 0-60 times when compared to the 2.0T Camaro.
Have you ever driven a Miata (any generation)? If not, you should. I thought they were ugly when the 1st generation came out. I was driving a 98 Trans Am when my mom got a 90 Miata (1.6L 5-Speed). I found I had more fun driving the Miata than my Trans Am, despite the Trans Am being considerably faster. In the end, specs on paper aren't everything, & if you enjoy driving a car enough, the looks can grow on you.
Please make a video for 2017 Corvette Grand Sport.
Soft top is easily accessible with a pocket knife? Also very noisy.
One comment.... Make the font colors on your Price/Features section more um....visible/vibrant? The blue and red combo is just hard on us "old" guys with poor eyesight :D
EMERSON GALFO why did you type "um" after the word "more"?....any logical reason?
20:15 I didn’t think there was an MX-4 🤔
I love that car. Alas, I am 6'3", not Mazda's target audience.
Get a 718 Boxster even just the 2.0 base and you're done. Yes even in 2021..22
Hey Alex, why is there a shark fin and a standard antenna?
The shark fin antenna is for SiriusXM radio. And don't call me "Alex."
You're not getting it. This car will attract people who normally would never consider a soft-top convertible... Like me. I'm really surprised you didn't talk about headroom with the top up.
Seems odd that the top spec has less performance without the limited slip diff.
I don't like the head lamps design, but the overall shape of the car.
By any chance... is the colour round gauge coming to the soft top or is it the RF special..?
EyBiKeY I believe it's RF specific
Dream car in the future
Thats it i buy one next year !!!
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The lowest TCI score in AA history no doubt.