Correction/Clarification: Alberta's character is not from Altoona, PA, but Tulsa, OK. However, her fictional museum is located in Altoona. In any case, we hope you still enjoy the real and factual history presented!
@@brnzetyger Yes, Alberta’s Stalker Fan Todd mentioned in a Season-1 Episode that she was from Jamaica Heritage. The real question is did the Show Writers add that aspect because they hired a Actress that had Jamaican Heritage? Or was it a Requirement to get Hired? Moreover, the Character of Trevor is Jewish and the Actor playing Trevor is Jewish, Issac the ghost is Gay and the Actor portraying him is Gay.
Well, you were doing very well until you left after Flower. What happened to discussing Pete and Trevor? What about the basement ghosts? What about the British soldiers? What about the next-door ghosts? You left out *A LOT* !!!
The cast of the original version in the UK were in a show called Horrible Histories. It was aimed primarily for kids, but adults could enjoy it too. Some of the cast appeared in the UK version of Drunk History.
That's where i grew up with the UK cast from :) Also the irony of Mat Baynton playing Thomas Thorne who hate Byron in Ghosts but playing Byron in Drunk History lol
I knew about flower from my own memories of the time🥰, my parents were teachers , uncles ,aunts,grandparents, in the same mapping ,WOW , . Thanks it puts my memories and parents stories kinda complete .
Please do analyses of Pete and Trevor as well. Pete represents 1980s Reagan-era America, a Scout leader in the "Decade of Decadence" and the "Decade of Greed." Trevor, from the 1990s, represents the end of that decadence and greed. I know it's a comedy, but I'd love to see how Trevor's ghost would have reacted to the deaths of many of his colleages on 9/11 and the collapse of his employer, Lehman Brothers, at the beginning of the 2009 mortgage meltdown. Ghosts has been known to tackle tough subjects sensitively. They could handle this well.
I just seen a clip and before a flashback Trevor said “it was just after Y2K and I was crushing it” so I think he’s an early 2000’s finance bro, same thing tho
Be glad you get a USA number of episodes per season and not only the UK number of 6 per season. They have finished their 4th season, which has Christmas specials for season 3 &4, for a total of only 26 episodes. Compare to mid February 2023 with season 2 and the 15th episode makes 28 USA ghost episodes and season 2 isn't finished.... Until the USA Ghosts it was long wait for new episodes and when you got them they season was over before you knew it.
Thanks. That's added some depth to my appreciation of the American version of 'Ghosts' which is presently being broadcast in the UK. I'm surprised at the writers using fictionalised real-life characters from history, some with more local connections to yourself and one of the writers - but why not, it works very well.
Both versions of Ghosts are my favorite shows so I REALLY appreciated it. And I'm from PA (Philly) as well, in the lower part of Lenape territory, and I really appreciate the thoroughness with which you covered what we know about him. He's my favorite🙂
@@stephenarnold5981 I like both versions of the show as well, as both have their strengths and weaknesses. That being said, being an American does tip the scale ever so slightly toward our version in terms of cultural relatability. Would love to see the characters of Allison and Mike visit Woodstone Mansion or vice versa and see Sam and Jay visit Button House!
I started watching the cbs one about a month ago, but have only got through half of the first season so far. I'll resume it at some point, I need to get to the collab episode that I've heard about, but it's feeling like I have to force myself to watch it compared to the BBC one which I binged watched over a couple of days and immediately started rewatching when I finished the last episode.
I heard the Prussian Captain also did force the people at valley forge to put their Latrine and other waste in an area outside of the camp that lead to certain diseases decreasing in numbers around the camp
@@Jumpoable Not sure what to say to that one but always wonder why straight men in the military think all gay men want to forcibly sleep with them but women should trust the straight military men to not want to forcibly sleep with them seems like a confusing double standard. Not saying military men are all doing that but it has happened , maybe it is not a double standard but rather that if you are a bad man all men must be bad
@@karencarter18042 hear hear. Do straight people dont have preference too?. And may I added, not all homosexual people likes drags. Seen manly man homosexual and lady of all ladies homosexual.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 Yeah we lost some great people or just their possible great achievements from other people's prejudice of who they where attracted to , RIP Alan Turning.
Like your mother, I am a very big fan of 'Ghosts'. Thank you for the historical background of the ghosts. I look forward to more about Sas as well. So glad to have found your channel.
Ghosts UK is actually listed that way. I just got done watching it and that’s what it was called. I actually liked it better than the US version (I started this one first and moved on to the original). Now that I’ve finished it I’m back to watching the US show.
I enjoyed this! I also realized that the Northern part of the Lenape migration path matched the path my paternal grandfather's family migrated from his birth through his youngest siblings birth. I feel honored to have a little connection to the character Sasappis.
I'm also a historian, from Fayette County, PA (to orient people, I offer that it's the location of Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater). I agree with most of your explication, with the exception of Flower, and then an additional clarification based on your mistake concerning Alberta. I'm going to start with Flower, because I feel that you got her terribly wrong. She is NOTHING like Patty Hearst. Idk how old you are, but I'm in my 50s and lived through the Patty Hearst kidnapping. Again, I'm also a historian, I've studied that kidnapping & I've seen what Hearst herself has to say about her ordeal, as well as authorities who researched the Symbionese Liberation Army. Hearst hails from one of the most wealthy American families, was raised with every privilege, living a VERY VERY VERY conventional life of luxury until the day she was KIDNAPPED & FORCED into terrorist acts. She was TORTURED and her life was threatened. Her parents were on TV every single day begging for the return of their daughter - I remember this vividly. You couldn't turn on your TV, which at this time was only ABC, CBS, NBC, & PBS, without seeing your shows pre-empted by the Hearsts' press coverage. That's when I learned about media conglomerates. It was assumed that Patty suffered from Stockholm Syndrome, but in researching her ordeal, I believe she was just trying to stay alive. In bank robberies, for instance, there was always a gun trained on Patty, even as she was a participant. She was no willing participant. Once rescued, she eventually returned to her normal life of luxury & never became an apologist for terrorism. Flower, on the other hand, apparently comes from a solidly middle-class, seemingly suburban, family, and has revealed that she sought out the life she led. She had and continues to have intimacy problems, and found kindred spirits (not a pun, speaking of her lifetime) within the cults and communes. She needed to lose herself in a haze of drugs and alcohol, and, had she not died young, quite possibly would have benefited from advances in psychiatric medications. She estranged herself from her family. She was living the life she wanted to live - nobody forced or coerced her into anything. As she grows wiser in her afterlife, she may be better able to analyze why she was the way she was, but at no time does she express any regrets other than misinterpreting the bear's intentions, and only then because of the outcome. These 2 women are NOTHING alike. As for Alberta - she has stated that her father was a chef but couldn't own his own restaurant because of racism. Had he tried going even further west, however, chances are that he may have succeeded, especially in his time period. Be that as it may, she found a different path, similar to Ella Fitzgerald. Either Chicago or New York City would be the place to make that dream happen. While NYC is famous now for the Apollo, the Cotton Club, etc., in her time, Chicago had a bit less racism, thanks to the mafia. Italians were still not completely considered white people at that time, and the mafia had a grip on Chicago. Alberta ran with that crowd, but doesn't seem to be *of* that ilk (NYC had mafia but had been run by Tammany Hall for a long time, with its long-established Irish-American leadership, who were, by the early 20th century, white). Jazz came with a negative connotation because it was "black people's music." Black jazz musicians were also associated with marijuana, and this is the very beginnings of the idea of illegalization of drugs, based on racial associations. At many jazz clubs in NYC, in a non-segregated state, club owners refused to allow white musicians or black clientele. This is Alberta's world. It's very black-and-white. Mix in drugs and some illegal alcohol, made of who-knows-what (just like buying drugs off the street today, where your cocaine can be laced with fentanyl or worse, back then your booze could contain stuff like gasoline or perfume), and you have some crazy times. I don't see Alberta as being part of the Great Migration, mainly because her family weren't sharecroppers, they didn't live in a jim crow state, and they were far west enough that they could (and should) have gone to California, Oregon, or Washington for more opportunities. It was really that lack of access to land/home ownership and career opportunities because of jim crow laws that was the major "push factor" of the Great Migration, and the proximity of places like Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, and NYC, as major "pull factors" to those regions (though definitely not exclusively to those areas). A note on Isaac: if he had been born about 50 years later, and gone to Europe, he would have found homosexuality to be not just acceptable, but fashionable. Modern Americans have no concept that there are eras in history when being gay was so fashionable, that even if you were actually heterosexual, you had gay lovers for appearances sake. The early 19th century in Europe was one of those times. I hope that helps, and that you don't mind the clarifications & notes. My specialty time period is post-Reconstruction, though I've studied Enlightenment Europe and Early American/US, also, and taught Western Civ (who hasn't?). And I'll never forget the Hearsts on tv. It was probably the first traumatizing experience of my life (we didn't have school shootings back then).
Oh! Another thing. I agree with you about the Flower/Patty Hearst comparison. I’m 20 years older than you & remember the story VERY well. Flower is more of the hippie, Woodstock type. She reminds me of some of the girls I went to H.S. with in the 60’s. All “Where Have All the Flowers Gone” & “California Dreamin’.” 😍
Where you say that Alberta could've and should have gone to California, Oregon or Washington to find better opportunities, these states are very discriminating towards black people. California didn't give these people many opportunities. Oregon's state constitution forbade black people from living in the state, this was changed only 20 to 30 years ago. And Washington didn't give many opportunities to black people.
Very true about Patty Hearst. I know after she was free from the SLA there was huge speculation about her complicity in their actions. She did not go with the SLA willingly as Flower embraced the free love lifestyle. Thanks for the history but as one of the commenter pointed out you might want to brush up on the treatment of blacks in the western states.
Ichabod Crane is a fictional character. His love interest, however, is a depiction of an actual person from history: Katrina VanTassel. I went to high school with her direct descendant, also named Katrina VanTassel, who bears a strong resemblance to her forebear, a very pretty blonde. What if Thor fell for Katrina? How would Flower react?
Ichabod Crane is a literary character. Thee could be a character of that time period, but not Crane himself or the Headless Horseman as they are simply stories.
Not meaning to point out your little mistake BUT you forgot about Trevor and the other side characters. Are we going to learn a little about their history anytime soon?
Ghosts is one of my favorite shows mostly because of Rose McIver and also Uktarth as well. Been a fan of Rose since Power Rangers RPM quite a few years ago and I knew Uktarth from Lin Manuel Miranda's Freestyle Love Supreme.
She's hilarious! Did you see her imitating Thor's gruff, growling demeanor on last week's Christmas show? That cute little thing as a stern Viking warrior was priceless.
Thank you , the history is so wonderful , the writing is on point . I watch it over and over comparing it to all the history books I have read, lol , I love it
Love the info on Von Steuben! Also would love more on the Lenape in the show. I’m from Westchester County NY, not far from Poughkeepsie where the show takes place- and again is NOT in upstate NY.
Just started getting into this show, and like magic here you are! So cool to see how the history of my own hometown is in this show, and sad I missed the connection a few years ago
This is one of my favorite shows! This and Young Sheldon. My absolute favorite is Higgentoot from the Revolutionary war....it was most funny before he came out and just had those undertones that kept you feeling like you recognized something that made you go "hmmm". His character and formal bearing is a hoot.
I find the Woodstone family bears some resemblance to some of the older families of the Hudson Valley - many that settled in the area prior to the revolutionary war - and through the generations modified/expanded or even tore down and rebuilt more extravagant mansion as their family achieved more wealth or status. Families like the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, Livingston's, Roosevelts, Kinkades, etc..... along with many of the Hugeunots and other colonists that settled the region.
Thanks - I am from Yorkshire (Very viking area at one point) and couldn't work out the location for ghosts because of the Viking Thorfinn. This is exactly what I was looking for.
What about Trevor Lefkowitz, the Wall Street douche, who died in 2000, Pete Martino, the Pinecone scout leader who died in 1985 with an arrow in his neck. Crash, the 1950s greaser who was decapitated The three British soldiers in the shack as well as the cholera ghosts in the basement Sas's full name is Sasappis and Flower's real name is Susan Montero
You forgot the teenage ghost in the attic and the brief car Ghost, all the ones on the neighbors Barnsbee(sp?) estate, which includes Thorfin's son.....
@@ablemagawitch Stephanie, the attic ghost was only seen in one episode played by Odessa A'zion The car ghost Jessica no longer on the show Fun fact, Nichole Sakura played Cheyenne on the TV show Superstore The Barnsby ghosts are kind of hit and miss, only seen occasionally except for Bjorn, played by Christian Jadah Guest ghosts who appear very rarely include Lindsey Broad plays Judy, Henry Barnsby's mother Shiki, the Lenape ghost at the newspaper played by Chrystle Lightning Crash, the headless ghost played by Hudson Thames The cholera ghosts played by Nancy (Betsy Sodara) Creepy Dirk (Arthur Holden Cody (Cody Chrain) Nigel (Nigel Downer) Catherine (Cat Lemieux)
@@dragonweyr44 They were called the Farnsby's which I believe (not 100% sure but very likely) is a nod to Julian from the British version, Simon Farnaby. In the episode where theyre trying to get a liquor licence, the woman doing the inspection is Kaliko Kauahi AKA Sandra Kaluiokalani from Superstore :) Alex Boniello took over Crash's head in Season 2 (his body is played by Matt Keyes) but was only there for one episode. i don't think the headless greaser concept works. A headless Greaser is not a quintessential ghost trope, like a headless Tudor is, which is why Humphrey in the UK version works. Also Humphrey's body is played by Yanni Xander, and his head played by Larry Rickard, who also plays Robin. Since you need 3 actors for what we manage to do in 2, as well as have a bazillion writers (the UK version only has the 6 co-writers/co-creators flesh all the overall storylines out in a mini writers' room, then split off and work in pairs or solo to write the episodes) it's likely to be (at least partially) a budgetary decision not to have Crash around much. Also, our plague ghosts are played by the original 8 as well We have: Nigel (Larry Rickard/Humphrey's head/Robin) Mick (Mat Baynton/Thomas Thorne/'Actor Pete' in Dumb Deaths in S2 of the US version) Jeff (Simon Farnaby) John (Jim Howick/Pat Butcher/Mr Hendricks in Sex Education) Walter (Ben Willbond/Captain) Agnes (Lolly Adefope/Kitty) and 2 un-named Plague ghosts played by Martha Howe-Douglas (Fanny Button) & Katy Wix (Mary) We do have a young plague girl played by Anya McKenna-Bruce (who I think was about 10 when the series started) but cos of the aging thing she was only in 2 episodes in S1 & 2. Ritchie Moriarty (Pete) played one of your Cholera Ghosts at one point
I like both the US version of Ghosts and the UK version of Ghosts. The UK version has a woman who was burned at the stake for witch craft. The US version has the cholera pit ghosts. At first, I thought it one of the shows was going to go into the bubonic plague. Maybe you could discuss the differences in those outbreaks.
I love the show Ghosts! I wish it were longer than 30 min! It’s so interesting how the people from different eras interact and learn about each others world.
Love the show and graduated from a small town outside Altoona, interesting to see the connection between the two. Visited Baker mansion many times for school field trips and there was always the haunting stories of the wedding dress. As elementary kids we'd lock eyes on that thing just to get the chance to see it move (it never did). 🙂
I read the comments and notice that people feel extremely strongly for their preferred Ghosts show. I really like both of them for different reasons; they're each unique and awesome in their own way I think.
@ReelHistory 👏🏻This was so enjoyable. Your cheerful demeanor and delivery was refreshing. You now have a new subscriber! 🙂 May I request adding TOMBSTONE to your list!?! Outstanding movie & phenomenal town to visit!! Looking forward to many new videos! Kind regards, Amanda
i never watched the cbs tv series of ghost but unlike the classic comedic show called topper i might give it a viewing if the writers can give an meaningful description of who they were and how they died like you did and make each of their spiritual departure from woodstone mansion end well up to it,s final season. interesting breakdown analogy. please try and suggest it to them. thanks!
While I realize that Pete and Trevor are ghosts from a more recent period in history, it still would have been fun to hear your take on them. It might have been fun to discuss the cholera ghosts as a single character.
The BBC original is head and shoulders better than this- better character development, better scripts and just funnier. I save the American version for "rainy days" when the original is between seasons. :)
Yes this is a year old video , but I really enjoyed it .The next I get a chance to watch Ghost this info you given here will make it just a bit more entertaining . Thanks.
Yes, Patty Hearst doesn't sit right. I thought Goldie Hawn's character from Laugh In (dating myself). A big part of Flower's history is drug culture which he skated right past BUT someone who won't say "sucked off" was bound to shy away from that.
Oh my goodness. While at the Altoona Campus of Penn State, I was in the jazz band (it was a very long time ago.) Would there have been a connection between Sas's tribe, the Lenape, and Chief Logan of the Mingo Tribe in Mifflin County, PA, and throughout Ohio and West Virginia?
Can you do Vikings Vallhala next? When I google the characters I learned that they are all historical figures. I want to learn more abut the real ones.
TREVOR??? As a kid growing up on Long Island, my parents were total yuppies. Dad took the train into “the city” and worked at the NYSE. I was most interested to hear about Trevor. 😢 I hope you do a part 2! 😊
What about Pete, Trevor & the basement ghosts - also the prom one who sleeps all the time in the attic!!!! If you are going to go a video on the characters DO THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!
Little fact according to the canon wiki Shiki a native female ghost that was in Sam's office actually knew Sas and it states in her canon wiki that Says was in love with Shiki going as far to unaliving a deer and leaving it for her and her family. Again all this comes from the canon wikia
Correction/Clarification: Alberta's character is not from Altoona, PA, but Tulsa, OK. However, her fictional museum is located in Altoona. In any case, we hope you still enjoy the real and factual history presented!
Her Museum is Located in a Garage In Todd’s Mother House in Altoona, PA. When Fiction becomes History then it really is “Hi-Story” to Tell.
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Also, it should be noted that Alberta's dad was from Jamaica. Probably mentioned in the show as the actress who plays Alberta is of Jamaican heritage.
@@brnzetyger Yes, Alberta’s Stalker Fan Todd mentioned in a Season-1 Episode that she was from Jamaica Heritage. The real question is did the Show Writers add that aspect because they hired a Actress that had Jamaican Heritage? Or was it a Requirement to get Hired? Moreover, the Character of Trevor is Jewish and the Actor playing Trevor is Jewish, Issac the ghost is Gay and the Actor portraying him is Gay.
Well, you were doing very well until you left after Flower. What happened to discussing Pete and Trevor? What about the basement ghosts? What about the British soldiers? What about the next-door ghosts? You left out *A LOT* !!!
The cast of the original version in the UK were in a show called Horrible Histories. It was aimed primarily for kids, but adults could enjoy it too. Some of the cast appeared in the UK version of Drunk History.
That's where i grew up with the UK cast from :)
Also the irony of Mat Baynton playing Thomas Thorne who hate Byron in Ghosts but playing Byron in Drunk History lol
I would suspect that Drunk History is closer to the truth than official history.
ehh naa .. mate the Uk show is called - Ghosts its has just finished its 5th season
Look for "The Wrong Man(s)" with Mathew Baynton (Thomas Thorne in "Ghosts UK") and James Corden. Wonderful Hulu series.
THERE'S A UK VERSION OF DRUNK HISTORY???!!!
Such a nice thing to do for your mother -- and the rest of us Ghosts fans. Keep going with the rest of the ghosts. Thanks so much!
I knew about flower from my own memories of the time🥰, my parents were teachers , uncles ,aunts,grandparents, in the same mapping ,WOW , . Thanks it puts my memories and parents stories kinda complete .
That would be cool to see you do this for the original BBC Ghosts.
Please do analyses of Pete and Trevor as well. Pete represents 1980s Reagan-era America, a Scout leader in the "Decade of Decadence" and the "Decade of Greed." Trevor, from the 1990s, represents the end of that decadence and greed. I know it's a comedy, but I'd love to see how Trevor's ghost would have reacted to the deaths of many of his colleages on 9/11 and the collapse of his employer, Lehman Brothers, at the beginning of the 2009 mortgage meltdown. Ghosts has been known to tackle tough subjects sensitively. They could handle this well.
Yes, Trevor seemed like a character out of the novel Bonfire of the Vanities.
I just seen a clip and before a flashback Trevor said “it was just after Y2K and I was crushing it” so I think he’s an early 2000’s finance bro, same thing tho
I second this, I was disappointed he didn't include these last two guys.
Ghosts needs to be an hour long.
The Christmas show was an hour long
@@allexx123 Christmas is over though
Agreed! I timed a episode and it was only a hair over 20 minutes of showtime. The original Ghost series in the UK is about 28 minutes.
Be glad you get a USA number of episodes per season and not only the UK number of 6 per season. They have finished their 4th season, which has Christmas specials for season 3 &4, for a total of only 26 episodes. Compare to mid February 2023 with season 2 and the 15th episode makes 28 USA ghost episodes and season 2 isn't finished.... Until the USA Ghosts it was long wait for new episodes and when you got them they season was over before you knew it.
@@ablemagawitch yeah I don't get the 6 episode "season".
I'd gladly watch a longer video, if it actually had ALL of the Ghosts... Trevor, Pete, Stephanie, the cholera pit folks...
I think I know a little more than I needed to about Nancy😂
@@rosequartz4102 Nancy is my 3rd favorite character...😂
Lol I love Nancy! She is my 3rd favorite character too.. first is Trever T Money (I love his character), Sass then Nancy
Nancy isn't the worst, but she isn't the best.
I believe the character Nancy was in Night Court. Episode S1 E10 Marathon-Thon-Thon-Thon-Thon
Thanks. That's added some depth to my appreciation of the American version of 'Ghosts' which is presently being broadcast in the UK. I'm surprised at the writers using fictionalised real-life characters from history, some with more local connections to yourself and one of the writers - but why not, it works very well.
Both versions of Ghosts are my favorite shows so I REALLY appreciated it. And I'm from PA (Philly) as well, in the lower part of Lenape territory, and I really appreciate the thoroughness with which you covered what we know about him. He's my favorite🙂
I'm from UK and just binge watched Ghosts US and actually preferred the US version.
@@stephenarnold5981 I like both versions of the show as well, as both have their strengths and weaknesses. That being said, being an American does tip the scale ever so slightly toward our version in terms of cultural relatability. Would love to see the characters of Allison and Mike visit Woodstone Mansion or vice versa and see Sam and Jay visit Button House!
BBC ghosts tips the scale for me… USA GHOSTS is ok but predictable
I started watching the cbs one about a month ago, but have only got through half of the first season so far. I'll resume it at some point, I need to get to the collab episode that I've heard about, but it's feeling like I have to force myself to watch it compared to the BBC one which I binged watched over a couple of days and immediately started rewatching when I finished the last episode.
@@Rodimus75I would really love allison to visit and see the ghosts lol
Addicted to Ghosts! I’m an Aussie so found this history lesson really fascinating. Thank you!
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I heard the Prussian Captain also did force the people at valley forge to put their Latrine and other waste in an area outside of the camp that lead to certain diseases decreasing in numbers around the camp
Correct!
Gay men have always understood personal hygiene better than straight men.
@@Jumpoable Not sure what to say to that one but always wonder why straight men in the military think all gay men want to forcibly sleep with them but women should trust the straight military men to not want to forcibly sleep with them seems like a confusing double standard. Not saying military men are all doing that but it has happened , maybe it is not a double standard but rather that if you are a bad man all men must be bad
@@karencarter18042 hear hear. Do straight people dont have preference too?. And may I added, not all homosexual people likes drags. Seen manly man homosexual and lady of all ladies homosexual.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 Yeah we lost some great people or just their possible great achievements from other people's prejudice of who they where attracted to , RIP Alan Turning.
Your mom is a real g for this. I love this show
Like your mother, I am a very big fan of 'Ghosts'. Thank you for the historical background of the ghosts. I look forward to more about Sas as well. So glad to have found your channel.
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Ghosts and Ghosts UK are my 2 favorite shows. This was so fun to watch. Thank you
Don't you mean Ghosts and Ghosts US since Ghosts is originally a UK show
@@bwbwebwnw6791 Why does it matter? I'm American and think American then UK, and I saw US series first.
Ghosts UK is actually listed that way. I just got done watching it and that’s what it was called. I actually liked it better than the US version (I started this one first and moved on to the original). Now that I’ve finished it I’m back to watching the US show.
I enjoyed this! I also realized that the Northern part of the Lenape migration path matched the path my paternal grandfather's family migrated from his birth through his youngest siblings birth. I feel honored to have a little connection to the character Sasappis.
I'm also a historian, from Fayette County, PA (to orient people, I offer that it's the location of Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater). I agree with most of your explication, with the exception of Flower, and then an additional clarification based on your mistake concerning Alberta.
I'm going to start with Flower, because I feel that you got her terribly wrong.
She is NOTHING like Patty Hearst. Idk how old you are, but I'm in my 50s and lived through the Patty Hearst kidnapping. Again, I'm also a historian, I've studied that kidnapping & I've seen what Hearst herself has to say about her ordeal, as well as authorities who researched the Symbionese Liberation Army. Hearst hails from one of the most wealthy American families, was raised with every privilege, living a VERY VERY VERY conventional life of luxury until the day she was KIDNAPPED & FORCED into terrorist acts. She was TORTURED and her life was threatened. Her parents were on TV every single day begging for the return of their daughter - I remember this vividly. You couldn't turn on your TV, which at this time was only ABC, CBS, NBC, & PBS, without seeing your shows pre-empted by the Hearsts' press coverage. That's when I learned about media conglomerates. It was assumed that Patty suffered from Stockholm Syndrome, but in researching her ordeal, I believe she was just trying to stay alive. In bank robberies, for instance, there was always a gun trained on Patty, even as she was a participant. She was no willing participant. Once rescued, she eventually returned to her normal life of luxury & never became an apologist for terrorism.
Flower, on the other hand, apparently comes from a solidly middle-class, seemingly suburban, family, and has revealed that she sought out the life she led. She had and continues to have intimacy problems, and found kindred spirits (not a pun, speaking of her lifetime) within the cults and communes. She needed to lose herself in a haze of drugs and alcohol, and, had she not died young, quite possibly would have benefited from advances in psychiatric medications. She estranged herself from her family. She was living the life she wanted to live - nobody forced or coerced her into anything. As she grows wiser in her afterlife, she may be better able to analyze why she was the way she was, but at no time does she express any regrets other than misinterpreting the bear's intentions, and only then because of the outcome.
These 2 women are NOTHING alike.
As for Alberta - she has stated that her father was a chef but couldn't own his own restaurant because of racism. Had he tried going even further west, however, chances are that he may have succeeded, especially in his time period. Be that as it may, she found a different path, similar to Ella Fitzgerald. Either Chicago or New York City would be the place to make that dream happen. While NYC is famous now for the Apollo, the Cotton Club, etc., in her time, Chicago had a bit less racism, thanks to the mafia. Italians were still not completely considered white people at that time, and the mafia had a grip on Chicago. Alberta ran with that crowd, but doesn't seem to be *of* that ilk (NYC had mafia but had been run by Tammany Hall for a long time, with its long-established Irish-American leadership, who were, by the early 20th century, white). Jazz came with a negative connotation because it was "black people's music." Black jazz musicians were also associated with marijuana, and this is the very beginnings of the idea of illegalization of drugs, based on racial associations. At many jazz clubs in NYC, in a non-segregated state, club owners refused to allow white musicians or black clientele. This is Alberta's world. It's very black-and-white. Mix in drugs and some illegal alcohol, made of who-knows-what (just like buying drugs off the street today, where your cocaine can be laced with fentanyl or worse, back then your booze could contain stuff like gasoline or perfume), and you have some crazy times.
I don't see Alberta as being part of the Great Migration, mainly because her family weren't sharecroppers, they didn't live in a jim crow state, and they were far west enough that they could (and should) have gone to California, Oregon, or Washington for more opportunities. It was really that lack of access to land/home ownership and career opportunities because of jim crow laws that was the major "push factor" of the Great Migration, and the proximity of places like Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, and NYC, as major "pull factors" to those regions (though definitely not exclusively to those areas).
A note on Isaac: if he had been born about 50 years later, and gone to Europe, he would have found homosexuality to be not just acceptable, but fashionable. Modern Americans have no concept that there are eras in history when being gay was so fashionable, that even if you were actually heterosexual, you had gay lovers for appearances sake. The early 19th century in Europe was one of those times.
I hope that helps, and that you don't mind the clarifications & notes. My specialty time period is post-Reconstruction, though I've studied Enlightenment Europe and Early American/US, also, and taught Western Civ (who hasn't?). And I'll never forget the Hearsts on tv. It was probably the first traumatizing experience of my life (we didn't have school shootings back then).
Thanks for your perspectives!
Thanks for all that history! Some of it l already knew, but I’m sure there are many who never heard any of it! 🙌🏾
Oh! Another thing. I agree with you about the Flower/Patty Hearst comparison. I’m 20 years older than you & remember the story VERY well. Flower is more of the hippie, Woodstock type. She reminds me of some of the girls I went to H.S. with in the 60’s. All “Where Have All the Flowers Gone” & “California Dreamin’.” 😍
Where you say that Alberta could've and should have gone to California, Oregon or Washington to find better opportunities, these states are very discriminating towards black people. California didn't give these people many opportunities. Oregon's state constitution forbade black people from living in the state, this was changed only 20 to 30 years ago. And Washington didn't give many opportunities to black people.
Very true about Patty Hearst. I know after she was free from the SLA there was huge speculation about her complicity in their actions. She did not go with the SLA willingly as Flower embraced the free love lifestyle. Thanks for the history but as one of the commenter pointed out you might want to brush up on the treatment of blacks in the western states.
Would love to see Ichabod Crane from the Sleepy Hollow TV series show up at Woodstone and Isaac 's reaction. It would make an awesome episode!
Ichabod Crane is a fictional character. His love interest, however, is a depiction of an actual person from history: Katrina VanTassel. I went to high school with her direct descendant, also named Katrina VanTassel, who bears a strong resemblance to her forebear, a very pretty blonde. What if Thor fell for Katrina? How would Flower react?
Ichabod Crane is a literary character. Thee could be a character of that time period, but not Crane himself or the Headless Horseman as they are simply stories.
I was very happy to learn Sam originally lived in Jersey City before moving to NYC after meeting Jay.
This was so great! Thank you to your Mom for asking for it!
Not meaning to point out your little mistake BUT you forgot about Trevor and the other side characters. Are we going to learn a little about their history anytime soon?
I noticed that, too, but maybe because Trevor and Pete were so recent their "historical accuracy" isn't really an issue for viewers.
There js not much history to look at when it happened in people's lifetimes
Love the show Ghosts. It makes my Thursday night. ❤
Aw I was waiting to hear about Pete! He’s my favorite. Hello from Johnstown, PA! This was fun and interesting
Ghosts is one of my favorite shows mostly because of Rose McIver and also Uktarth as well. Been a fan of Rose since Power Rangers RPM quite a few years ago and I knew Uktarth from Lin Manuel Miranda's Freestyle Love Supreme.
She's hilarious! Did you see her imitating Thor's gruff, growling demeanor on last week's Christmas show? That cute little thing as a stern Viking warrior was priceless.
@@isoldejaneholland8370 it was hilarious
I remember her from iZombie 😅
Thank you , the history is so wonderful , the writing is on point . I watch it over and over comparing it to all the history books I have read, lol , I love it
Your mother is awesome. I enjoyed this VERY much. ☺️
Thanks!
Love the info on Von Steuben! Also would love more on the Lenape in the show. I’m from Westchester County NY, not far from Poughkeepsie where the show takes place- and again is NOT in upstate NY.
I was born in a town named after him. Steubenville. Also the birth place of Dean Martin.
Just started getting into this show, and like magic here you are! So cool to see how the history of my own hometown is in this show, and sad I missed the connection a few years ago
This is one of my favorite shows! This and Young Sheldon. My absolute favorite is Higgentoot from the Revolutionary war....it was most funny before he came out and just had those undertones that kept you feeling like you recognized something that made you go "hmmm". His character and formal bearing is a hoot.
In later generation, they had the Dandy movement in England and being gay was part of it.
I wonder what will happen to Isaac since his ex-wife pulled him into the dirt.
I find the Woodstone family bears some resemblance to some of the older families of the Hudson Valley - many that settled in the area prior to the revolutionary war - and through the generations modified/expanded or even tore down and rebuilt more extravagant mansion as their family achieved more wealth or status. Families like the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, Livingston's, Roosevelts, Kinkades, etc..... along with many of the Hugeunots and other colonists that settled the region.
Good analogies!
Happy Halloween!!! This was fun. I’ll have to watch that show now. 👻👻👻
Just discovered this channel, so interesting! Great job! Love Ghosts and learned a bunch I had no idea about Hetty.
Thanks - I am from Yorkshire (Very viking area at one point) and couldn't work out the location for ghosts because of the Viking Thorfinn. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for visiting!
What about Trevor Lefkowitz, the Wall Street douche, who died in 2000,
Pete Martino, the Pinecone scout leader who died in 1985 with an arrow in his neck.
Crash, the 1950s greaser who was decapitated
The three British soldiers in the shack as well as the cholera ghosts in the basement
Sas's full name is Sasappis and Flower's real name is Susan Montero
You forgot the teenage ghost in the attic and the brief car Ghost, all the ones on the neighbors Barnsbee(sp?) estate, which includes Thorfin's son.....
@@ablemagawitch Stephanie, the attic ghost was only seen in one episode played by Odessa A'zion
The car ghost Jessica no longer on the show
Fun fact, Nichole Sakura played Cheyenne on the TV show Superstore
The Barnsby ghosts are kind of hit and miss, only seen occasionally except for Bjorn, played by Christian Jadah
Guest ghosts who appear very rarely include
Lindsey Broad plays Judy, Henry Barnsby's mother
Shiki, the Lenape ghost at the newspaper played by Chrystle Lightning
Crash, the headless ghost played by Hudson Thames
The cholera ghosts played by
Nancy (Betsy Sodara)
Creepy Dirk (Arthur Holden
Cody (Cody Chrain)
Nigel (Nigel Downer)
Catherine (Cat Lemieux)
@@dragonweyr44 They were called the Farnsby's which I believe (not 100% sure but very likely) is a nod to Julian from the British version, Simon Farnaby.
In the episode where theyre trying to get a liquor licence, the woman doing the inspection is Kaliko Kauahi AKA Sandra Kaluiokalani from Superstore :)
Alex Boniello took over Crash's head in Season 2 (his body is played by Matt Keyes) but was only there for one episode. i don't think the headless greaser concept works. A headless Greaser is not a quintessential ghost trope, like a headless Tudor is, which is why Humphrey in the UK version works. Also Humphrey's body is played by Yanni Xander, and his head played by Larry Rickard, who also plays Robin. Since you need 3 actors for what we manage to do in 2, as well as have a bazillion writers (the UK version only has the 6 co-writers/co-creators flesh all the overall storylines out in a mini writers' room, then split off and work in pairs or solo to write the episodes) it's likely to be (at least partially) a budgetary decision not to have Crash around much.
Also, our plague ghosts are played by the original 8 as well
We have:
Nigel (Larry Rickard/Humphrey's head/Robin)
Mick (Mat Baynton/Thomas Thorne/'Actor Pete' in Dumb Deaths in S2 of the US version)
Jeff (Simon Farnaby)
John (Jim Howick/Pat Butcher/Mr Hendricks in Sex Education)
Walter (Ben Willbond/Captain)
Agnes (Lolly Adefope/Kitty)
and 2 un-named Plague ghosts played by Martha Howe-Douglas (Fanny Button) & Katy Wix (Mary)
We do have a young plague girl played by Anya McKenna-Bruce (who I think was about 10 when the series started) but cos of the aging thing she was only in 2 episodes in S1 & 2.
Ritchie Moriarty (Pete) played one of your Cholera Ghosts at one point
@@oliviadaly4795 I wanted to see more of Crash, but I can see why it would be limited. Wish they would tell his origin, though.
The attic ghost was in more than one episode.
I like both the US version of Ghosts and the UK version of Ghosts. The UK version has a woman who was burned at the stake for witch craft. The US version has the cholera pit ghosts. At first, I thought it one of the shows was going to go into the bubonic plague. Maybe you could discuss the differences in those outbreaks.
I love the show Ghosts! I wish it were longer than 30 min! It’s so interesting how the people from different eras interact and learn about each others world.
Such a pleasant surprise of a video. Thank you!
Thanks!
@@ReelHistoryYou're most welcomed!
Love the show and graduated from a small town outside Altoona, interesting to see the connection between the two. Visited Baker mansion many times for school field trips and there was always the haunting stories of the wedding dress. As elementary kids we'd lock eyes on that thing just to get the chance to see it move (it never did). 🙂
Great info on this great show! I think even though not so much history, Trevor the 80’s frat boy should have a mention in this article.
Love this show. Thank you for the historical back stories!
Thank you so much for this video. Period. It’s one of my favorite shows. I watch both the UK and the USA versions.
Awesome stuff! This makes history super funny, relatable, and accessible.
Oh and the show Ghosts is great, too. 😊
I love the show with Issac being my favorite because of his dry sense of humor that no other characters get.
Love this, please thank your mom for her great recommendation!!!
Will do!
That Prussian commander story is fascinating.
I appreciated it as well. Very enlightening.
I enjoyed watching, I would be interested in learning more abt Indigenous ppl of the area. And what the new society learned from them. I subbed.
Id love to see your take on the bbc ghosts version !
I read the comments and notice that people feel extremely strongly for their preferred Ghosts show. I really like both of them for different reasons; they're each unique and awesome in their own way I think.
@@rosequartz4102 I agree :) I watch and enjoy both separately
Do you mean the original show because the uk version is were the us version got the idea from
@@Paris.mcdonough yeah I know, im Welsh. I didn’t really pay much attention to my wording
Hello from Allentown, PA! Am familiar with the BBC Ghosts .. didn’t know there was a US version.
The best.
@ReelHistory 👏🏻This was so enjoyable. Your cheerful demeanor and delivery was refreshing. You now have a new subscriber! 🙂 May I request adding TOMBSTONE to your list!?! Outstanding movie & phenomenal town to visit!! Looking forward to many new videos! Kind regards, Amanda
You will be pleased with what we have in store!
Very interesting about the Viking history.
That was GREAT!!! So cool to learn they threw some reality into the show. Great work!!!
Will part 2 include the basement dwellers?
Great video and incredibly informative. I just started watching Ghosts, so to come across this was helpful. I hope you do another one.
Thanks!
How dare you skip Trevor. He is a major character.
He skipped Pete too
Please do an updated video we learned so much more this last season hettys death broke me
i never watched the cbs tv series of ghost but unlike the classic comedic show called topper i might give it a viewing
if the writers can give an meaningful description of who they were and how they died like you did and make each of their
spiritual departure from woodstone mansion end well up to it,s final season. interesting breakdown analogy.
please try and suggest it to them. thanks!
What about Pete and Trevor?
what about the yuppie (trevor), and Pete?
I'm imagining a similar breakdown for the Original UK Version!
My father was from Lansdowne, PA.
Why did you leave out Trevor Lefkowitz? He's a very interesting character from the 1980s(?).
Need a second video for the BBC ghosts
Thank you so much for making this video
While I realize that Pete and Trevor are ghosts from a more recent period in history, it still would have been fun to hear your take on them. It might have been fun to discuss the cholera ghosts as a single character.
Had to look up what an iron master was. Thanks for teaching me a new word.
Could you do a review of the British original?
The BBC original is head and shoulders better than this- better character development, better scripts and just funnier. I save the American version for "rainy days" when the original is between seasons. :)
I love & adore both “GHOSTS”
You forgot about the British soldier, Pete, Trevor and now Pete's wife but I liked the video. I love both versions of the show.
I love the series Ghosts and went to the Alberta museum. I live locally in Duncansville. Thank you for your post. It was interesting.
Thanks for tuning in!
It wasn't created by a guy from Pennsylvania. It was created by a group of people in the UK and then copied and adapted to a US version
Yes this is a year old video , but I really enjoyed it .The next I get a chance to watch Ghost this info you given here will make it just a bit more entertaining . Thanks.
I had an aunt named Alberta. You rarely see that name these days. I love her character in the show!
I always thought Flower was more like Squeaky Frome, but without the murder.
Yes, Patty Hearst doesn't sit right. I thought Goldie Hawn's character from Laugh In (dating myself). A big part of Flower's history is drug culture which he skated right past BUT someone who won't say "sucked off" was bound to shy away from that.
@@coachingRN everyone is focusing on the bank robbery she did and not the communes and drugs.
Flower is NOT Patty Hearst! Your analogy is way way way off base. I'd, also, like to know why you didn't include all the ghosts.
What about Trevor & Pete? Although their characters may be considered current, it would be nice to have them included in some way.
Great video 📹. Thanks. But I'm going to call this Part 1️⃣ since not all the ghosts 👻 were featured. Part 2️⃣, please👻‼️
we'll make it happen eventually. this video has really shown us the interest in the show is there!
@@ReelHistory Thank you, thank you 👻‼️
What about Trever and Pete? Then there’s the headless guy and the teenager in the attic!
Oh my goodness. While at the Altoona Campus of Penn State, I was in the jazz band (it was a very long time ago.)
Would there have been a connection between Sas's tribe, the Lenape, and Chief Logan of the Mingo Tribe in Mifflin County, PA, and throughout Ohio and West Virginia?
They probably traded!
No arrow guy?
At what time to the basement plague pit ghosts came from?
what about the boy scout with the arrow thru the neck
This is awesome. New sub!!!❤😊
This was fun! Thank you!
Can you do Vikings Vallhala next? When I google the characters I learned that they are all historical figures. I want to learn more abut the real ones.
Loved this!
TREVOR??? As a kid growing up on Long Island, my parents were total yuppies. Dad took the train into “the city” and worked at the NYSE. I was most interested to hear about Trevor. 😢 I hope you do a part 2! 😊
Love this show ✌️
What happened to Pete and Trevor?
What about the scoutmaster and the business man with no pants? Or the cholera victims in the basement?
We kept the narrative condensed!
This was very informative Thanks!
I live in the Hudson Valley Region we have alot of history and i have several Rev Soldiers in ancestry.
Needs a Civil War character. Skipped a whole era. Would be nice to see Yankee and Rebels point of view in the modern world.👍🎃👻💀
I was thinking the same. Maybe next season
They copied the British version so the characters are more what you'd find on an old English estate.
not too many rebs up in NY except maybe a prison.....
Excellent! Thanks
You are welcome!
What about Pete, Trevor & the basement ghosts - also the prom one who sleeps all the time in the attic!!!! If you are going to go a video on the characters DO THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!
Calm down.
Hilarious and interesting video. You should do more like this.
Please do another episode, covering the other ghosts like Pete and Trevor…
You missed some of the Ghosts--- Pete and Trevor, Stephanie and Cholera Pit population.
The UK version is really great! I just need to find which platform streams it. Anyone know?
I generally liked the video but I see Flower more like Leigh French on Smothers Brothers Comedy hour. Great video. Thx. Barry :-)
Thanks for tuning in!
Do the bbc one too. PLEASE
This was extremely interesting. I love the show, you have tweeted my interest. 😂
Little fact according to the canon wiki Shiki a native female ghost that was in Sam's office actually knew Sas and it states in her canon wiki that Says was in love with Shiki going as far to unaliving a deer and leaving it for her and her family.
Again all this comes from the canon wikia
Kensington Runestone in Kensington, MN a lab stone was left behind by Vikings