BernieDawg's How to Light A Silent Kerosene Stove
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2012
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In this video I demonstrate how I light a vintage kerosene stove that is fitted with a silent burner. Always use kerosene in any stove that has a vent screw. Use of white gas (aka Coleman fuel or naphtha) in such a stove is extremely dangerous - don't do it. Always use good quality 1-K rated water-clear kerosene for heaters and stoves. One such product sold in the USA is Kleen-Strip 1-K Kerosene. kleanstrip.com/heating-fuels/...
NEVER use diesel fuel or other automotive fuels in these sorts of stoves.
About this stove: This is an early (circa 1916-1929) Optimus #1 "Traveler". It would have originally been fitted with a "roarer" burner. Sadly, the roarer burner that came with the stove was so degraded that it was retired to the great burner graveyard in the sky. I have fitted this stove with a silent burner. The pot support legs are reproductions I made of 304 stainless steel with brass collars to match the original (but missing) legs of tinned steel. This stove would have been housed in a leather or a tinned steel lidded box for transport as part of the packaging from the Optimus factory. - Навчання та стиль
Good to see someone who knows what he is doing !
Thanks Barry! Glad you liked my presentation. There are a lot of videos on UA-cam where the presenter clearly *doesn't* have a clue. It can be pretty comical. I up the game by starting and running two stoves at once in my even more popular video here: ua-cam.com/video/Z_zRgcmSWh0/v-deo.html Check it out! 😎👍 BD
love your videos. Thanks again for the help you have given me on my stoves. mary
Thanks for your tutorial, great help.
👏👏👏 Beautifully restored No. 1. Sounds so much better with the silent burner.
Thank you for sharing BD. 👍JB
@JBn951 Thank you! One of these old pressure stoves would be great for boiling water for morning coffee. Nothing wrong with your wick stove, though. I like your pipes that you feature in your nicely crafted videos. Your UA-cam avatar photo made me smile. It strongly reminds me of J.R. “Bob” Dobbs. 😄😎👍 BD
@@BernieDawgCinema lol @ Bob Dobbs, minus the hair or lack thereof. I'm looking forward to using that No. 1. I'll be putting in the mail to you today. Thank you again, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thank YOU for doing what YOU do!
@JBn951 Roger that! Please send the tracking via email when you've got it. 👍 BD
I see this type of stoves at the flea markets quite often here in Finland. I've always wondered how they work, because they don't seem to have a valve to control the flame. Well now I know! Thank you for that!
@Tero Pennanen Simpler technology from a simpler time. 🙂 BD
@@BernieDawgCinema Kept Amundsen and his men alive on the way to the South Pole.
Very good
Thank you for the video. Have you compared the model on Amazon and eBay from the far east to this one? They look like close copies. Take care.
@JMGeronimo Without providing a link, I really can't comment with any surety on what stove you are referencing. That said... if you are thinking of one of the modern Indian-, Chinese-, or Malaysian-made roarer-burner stoves that trickle into the eBay/Amazon market from overseas...those are *not even close* in quality or performance to old Swedish-made stoves like the one in this video. I'd say stay away from those and get yourself a vintage Swedish stove (Optimus, Primus, Radius, Svea/Sievert) off eBay over any new, Asian-made stove. 🤮👎 And, yeah, I have one or two of those clunky Indian-made stoves around to actually compare, so I know what I'm saying. BD
Hi there, Bernie, Firstly i have thoroughly enjoyed watching your videos, and secondly if you can tell me what the Thread size and Type is on the bottom of the Silent Burner, the only thing i have been able to determine my self is that it is 9/16" x 36 TPI,
i have been trying to buy a tap for this size and type thread without avail .???
@Alexander Birnie Hi Alexander I’ve got news for you that you aren’t going to like. The standard burner thread is an in-house specialty thread (proprietary) developed originally by Primus pre-1900 by Primus machinists. Primus did this *specifically* so that fellers like you and me couldn’t be monkeying around making our own burners and so we would have to buy replacement burners from the wide-flung Primus parts distribution network of the time. Other manufacturers simply copied the thread form using their in-house machinists and their own distribution networks.
The burner thread conforms to no existent thread form for which you can buy taps or dies for today. You will NOT be able to find a suitable modern tap for this thread - you will have to have custom machining done to reproduce the tap.
You are wrong on the size. Sorry. It is actually NOT 36tpi, but 34tpi. Most thread gauges don’t have the obsolete 34tpi gauge in there that IS the actual size. Metric 0.75 pitch (at 33.9 tpi) is an equally good fit. A 9/16” major diameter is about as close as you are likely to get, though off by a few thousandths.
For external threads, I cut them on my lathe at ~9/16” major diameter and 0.75 metric pitch because my lathe (and most other modern lathes) do not have the obsolete 34tpi gearing.
For internal threads, as indicated above, I paid a super duper machinist mid-three bills to make me a pair of hardened tool steel burner taps. They work great, but expensive. I’m the only person in the world I’ve heard of who has had custom burner taps made.
Maybe you should drop me an email and communicate with me directly about what it is you are trying to do? Maybe I could help you (unless it is some sort of top secret project you are working on for MI6). 🤭😎 bd@berniedawg.com BD
@@BernieDawgCinema high again Bernie, thank you very much for the enlightenment and to answer your question on what I'm trying to do is " I am trying to make a Diesel heater for my Garage /workshop" I have made the pressure tank for the Diesel, and in the process of finishing the heater unit, so I think what I shall do now is Silver Solder a brass 6 mm pipe fitting on to the bottom of the threaded part of the burner which should then allow me to connect my 6 mm copper pipe that comes from the Diesel tank, I will let you know how I get on okay, and once again thank you For taking the time to answer my query about the thread size.
@Alexander Birnie Ummm. I'd suggest you stop and reconsider. These burner do not burn diesel fuel - or at least not well. They are designed to vaporize and burn much lighter 1-K kerosene fuel, not diesel. You'll get yellow smoky flame and real quick clogging of the burner trying to use diesel in this sort of a burner. Diesel fuel only works in diesel engines and appliances specifically designed to burn that very heavy and greasy fuel. (Yuck.) Check through the videos here on UA-cam and watch what happens when guys try to burn diesel in these sorts of stoves/burners. It's a disaster! 😳🙄👎 BD
Can tell the quality by just looking at it. Wish they continued to make this model.
It’s been over 50 years since the Optimus Travelers were made. Fortunately, with some diligent and patient looking on eBay, you’ll likely find one that turns up in good time. Then, it’s just a matter of outbidding the collectors with deep pockets. 😎 BD
Would any of these replacement caps work on the Butterfly brand kero stove?
Hi Jack This video is about how to light a stove. I don't see anything about replacement caps here, so maybe kinda off topic.? For assistance with caps another stove parts, please drop me an email to: berniedawgstove@comcast.net . I can probably send you in the right direction much better that way. 😎👍 BD
where did you get that container you used to prime the stove?
The 500ml red Nalgene LDPE (low density polyethylene) wash bottle was one of a pair obtained from US Plastics Corporation circa 2008. As of 11/10/2018 they are still available there at this link: www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=32152 . Similar wash bottles, generally not red and in a range of sizes, are available on eBay for less cost. BD
ما رأيك بالمواقد الهندية الجديدة التي بدأت تنشر بالاسواق من حيث الجودة والإداء ؟
@Obliging Obliging اشتريت زوجين. أنا لست منبهرًا. قياس المعدن أخف. بناء غير ماهر به عيوب متكررة وغير ضرورية. ستكون المواقد السويدية القديمة المزيد من المال وتتطلب على الأرجح إعادة البناء - لكنها ستستمر لفترة طويلة. مثل بقية الحياة ... تحصل على ما تدفعه مقابل.BD
You know if you close the valve just before the spirit burns out the pressure will build up from the heat and then self light (make sure the spirit is very almost burnt out though)
Plus it's a paraffin stove and that's what you should use as fuel
Sorry, you are not correct.
With a silent burner on the stove you run the risk of underburn if you allow the stove to self-ignite as you suggest. It's much more reliable to do it my way with a silent burner. Now, with a roarer burner, your described way is right on.
"Paraffin" is what people in the UK call kerosene. If you are in the UK, by all means go and buy "paraffin". But, if you buy "paraffin" in the USA and most other places in the world, you'll get liquid candle oil, a heavier distillation, which burns poorly in stoves of this type. Unless you are in the UK, you should burn K-1 water-clear *kerosene* which is the correct fuel for this stove. In the UK? Use "paraffin".
Please i have one of the stove made in Sweden am sailing it
where can I buy this kind of stove? please let me know... 😊😊😊
These sorts of quality Swedish or European made kerosene stoves are no longer made. But, there are millions of them that were made once upon a time and most of them are still out there. People generally offer them for sale and purchase them on eBay. A search at eBay with the terms "Primus", "Optimus", "Radius", "Svea" and "kerosene stove" will find you many, many candidates. BD
Can I burn the same pressure stove with diesel instead of kerosene? I have Primus 100 stoves a few of them and they all work beautifully. But now kerosene being progressively becoming scarcer and pricier, I look to burn diesel or petrol. Can it be done without complex alterations.
@Ram Moy Ray I've already answered your question on this before in other of my videos comments. The answer is still the same NO. Diesel fuel will not work well in these stoves. NEVER use gasoline or naphtha in this sort of stove for safety reasons. If kerosene is too expensive, then I reckon it's time of you to sell off your collection and buy some propane or butane stoves. Sorry. It's just reality. If you continue to think diesel is an alternative (it's not) then give it a try. You'll learn the hard way that what I have said is true. BD
@@BernieDawgCinema Thank you sir for your straight and harsh reply. I would rather prefer hunting hard for kerosine to giving the stoves so dear to me to undeserving person/persons. I inherited these stoves from my grand father and I am 70 years old.
Okaaaay. You have asked this multiple times throughout my comments.
Sorry you feel my answer to your repeated question across my UA-cam videos is “harsh”.
The answer is still NO.
As I’ve said to you more than once in my replies to your question, diesel is not a good fuel for these stoves. Repeatedly asking the same question in different video comments (as you have) won’t change those facts.
If you disagree with my experience-based analysis, then by all means give diesel a try. You’ll find out the hard way I’m telling the truth. If the stoves are indeed handed down by a relative and are important to you for sentimental reasons (as you have said in other comments), it seems to me you would want to use them properly and with care using appropriate fuels. But, that’s your call. It’s your stuff to do with as you like.
In my opinion, no one with any sense at all thinks that old antique items in todays world will cost them less to operate and maintain. Old things require special parts and outdated repair techniques (and more expensive fuels in some cases) - think about antique cars for example.
I suggested modern stove alternatives to you in another reply to your same question because you seem hell-bent on ignoring this basic reality. It would be better, imo, for the stoves to go to someone who has the interest in keeping and maintaining them properly then you saving some pennies on fuel and destroying the stoves.
If you can’t afford the fuel, then go modern and save money with propane/butane rather than destroy your fathers vintage stoves out of some misplaced sense of “necessary" frugality. Proper stove use with old stoves is simply not something that everyone is cut out for. Give it serious consideration and make a wise choice.
I’m 67 as if that makes any difference to anything at all. BD
Sir my Primus stove leaks kerosene from the bottom of the rise when I pump, it burns though but with jerks. How do I correct it?. I have changed the non return valve but the problem remains.
@Ram May Roy The fix depends on your stove. Does your stove have a soldered and non-removable riser? Cleaning and resoldering would be the fix. Does your stove have a removable riser (found on collapsible stoves designed for transport)? Then, you likely need to replace the lead sealing gasket in the bottom of the riser or in the riser socket on the top of the tank (location depends on model which you’ve failed to indicate in any way). Fwiw, your question is a bit like asking, "My car isn't working. How do I fix it?") Depends on the car, doesn't it? I hope that communicates to you the idea of being clear and informative when asking these sorts of questions. I mean, I'm pretty good at fixing stoves, but I have zero skills as a mind-reader. 😄🤷♂️ Enjoy! BD
Yes Sir I have been stupid not to have mentioned the stove type. It is a Primus 100. I tried replacing the lead washer at the top of the tank but the risers tube does not screw in. But without it screws in tight. I have never tried attaching video with my query I think I should learn how.
Thanks for the hilarious reply. I have a few spare rising tubes I will try them also. Your expert opinion is awaited.
@Ram May Roy Well, it's hard to be an expert on what you are doing. I'm not sure why this is so difficult at your end. Are you sure you wouldn't be better served by trying a propane or butane stove?
If there is no lead washer in the tank-to-lipstick vaporizer tube connection, then the stove will leak. Maybe your lead is too thick? Can't tell without pictures. I maintain an email address for sharing of photos. bd@berniedawg.com BD
I can't solve my problem .The Nozzle was broken down the air leak I can't find another one .can y help me make video about this problem
@QT's Radio It is difficult to tell the problem from your description. Are you saying the jet (nozzle) is broken off in the burner? If so, you will need to replace the burner.
Thật khó để nói vấn đề từ mô tả của bạn. Bạn đang nói rằng vòi phun (vòi phun) bị hỏng trong đầu đốt? Nếu vậy, bạn sẽ cần phải thay thế đầu đốt. BD
What fuel did you use
@ken ken Ummm... the title of the video clearly says *kerosene*. The description box below the video also says kerosene and gives you some more information, too. BD
are they smelly once burning ?? and safer than petrol
Kerosene fueled stoves have more odor when burning than your electric or natural gas household stove, and more odor than a propane or isobutane fueled camp stove. Safer than petrol? That would depend on the person using the stove entirely. Coleman has made and sold stoves and lanterns that burn naphtha (camp stove fuel sorta like gasoline, but better) for over a hundred years in the USA. Teenagers and grandmas use Coleman stoves without problems. Coleman stoves have many more safety features than these rather primitive Swedish designs found in vintage kerosene stoves. Much safer than kerosene stoves, imo. If you are the sort of person who is intimidated by liquid fueled stoves, then it's probably best to stick with isobutane canisters - super safe! (But, not foolproof.) BD
У меня бабушка на таком примусе абрикосовое варенье варила в медном тазу... Завораживающее видео.Sorry for my english...
Абрикосовый джем! Звучит вкусно. Спасибо за ваш комментарий. 👍😎 BD
I bought a silent burner to replace the roaring one but can't get the flame silent and blue.
You are welcome to send along some photos of your burner and its flame to my business email address: berniedawgstove@comcast.net . I could probably help diagnose the issue. BD
@@BernieDawgCinema I realized I had ordered from a British seller who probably orders them from Asia. The perforations to allow oxygen aren't punched through, and inner cap doesn't have perforations. The vaporized kerosene isn't burnt properly. I decided to reinstall the old roaring burner.
I'd like to order the one similar to yours if your seller is still in business. Lemme know please.
The burner on my stove in the video came from an eBay purchase I made of old stove parts. It's vintage, not modern. There are not many producers of stove burners these days and those that are out there tend not to be of very high quality. Likewise suppliers of old stove parts - not many around as the supply of old parts continues to dry up. In many cases, you're better off purchasing used. Swedish eBay (aka Tradera) often sports collections of parts for sale. Check it out. This is the way of things when dealing with old and "antique" stuff like these stoves I'm afraid. Or, just buy another used and silent burning stove off eBay. There are quite a few at any given moment and if you don't buy it, it could end up at the scrap yard. Save the stoves! Good luck! BD
How much kerosene do these vintage stoves hold?
@Aaron Moore Vintage kerosene stoves were made in many sizes ranging from small backpacking models of only 1/2 pint to big stoves, designed to heat large quantities of water for washing and the like, that could hold a gallon or more of fuel. The one in this video, and the most common stoves like it, hold 1 3/4 pints to 2 pints of fuel. BD
Mine is lighting yellow flame i need to fix that please
@Okwa Sadamafi Fuel must be good. Use quality water-white (clear) 1-K grade kerosene in your stove. Preheat it as I show. Clear the jet with the included jet pricker (a fine wire held in a slip of metal). If none of that works... send me a photo or video of your stove problem to: bd@berniedawg.com and I can diagnose better to help you solve problems. BD
should u have an inner and outer burner on the stove maybe it should be called a flame spreader
@Arthur Milton I’m not sure I understand your statement/question. ??? The silent burner in this video has both an inner cap (aka “cover”) and an outer cap on the burner (burner = the bronze/brass device that makes the fuel turn from a liquid to a vapor). Without the two caps in place, the burner would not work, which I show clearly that the burner does in the video.
A “flame spreader” is an antique colloquial term used by British English-speakers to describe what the Swedish inventors and manufacturers of such stoves (and the rest of the world) call a “flame ring” all the way back to 1898. Flame rings are used on roarer style burners, not silent burners like this one. I hope that helps to clarify whatever you were asking after. Maybe this will help you? www.berniedawg.com/stove-part-nomenclature-aka-names/ 👍 BD
you answered i wanted to know if i needed an inner and outer cover that my problem solved
@Arthur Milton Ahhh! Okay. Glad I found out your intention by accident. You may also want to look at this diagram of this stove type here to familiarize yourself with parts, workings and nomenclature: www.base-camp.co.uk/No1.htm Cheers! BD
@@BernieDawgCinema cheers
Oh my God, it was to pump before lighting the fire!
ينفع أحط ديزل
ليس جيدا للديزل. لا تستخدم الديزل في هذه المواقد أبدًا. الديزل فقط في السيارات التي تعمل بالديزل ، وليس في المواقد أبدًا. 🙏 BD