Thank you for making this video. As a fairly new player, it is good to review these rules. I always suggest UA-camrs add the exact rule reference (display it on your video) so we know what you are saying is right out of the rule book. The waist is not your navel in most people's definition. The rules say navel. "Contact with the ball must not be made above the waist level (Waist is defined as the navel level)." To be clear, the paddle can be above the Navel (the part above the contact point), not the contact point though.....Thank you again!
Good video, can you stand any place behind the baseline when serving, like in tennis?. Also, your partner is supposed to stand in a certain place while you serve (unlike tennis)?.
You can stand anywhere behind the baseline as long as you're not in the other half of the. Your partner should be behind the line on there half since the shot that comes back has to bounce because of the two bounce rule.
Can I hold the pickleball and drop as I'm already motioning my forehand and release the ball (lets say an inch) immediately before making making contact in a serve? All other basic rules are applied (feet placement, below naval, etc.)
wanted to know the rule on:: when a serve hits the net, but lands in the correct opponents receiving area, beyond the NVZ line? Is it Live or a fault? Thanks and I love your videos.
What's confusing is while viewing some tournaments I've seen it called a let and the server gets another serve. So does recreational play and tournament play have different rules?
I have a silly question that no one has reviewed yet. At least no video that I can find. I am new and we are wondering what happens when I serve in single play, the serve is good but my opponent is unable to return due to missing the ball or smashes it into the net or other. Is this a point for me? Do I simply re-serve? The rule book does not cover this or am I incorrect? Thanks!!!
Hi Jordan, first... I really enjoy your videos. You'r the man! But this video is full of errors. The reason I bring this up, is because I have been accused of serving the ball high, which I do not believe I am (supported by videos). As a result I have read the rules carefully and find a lot on nonsense on the internet regarding this subject matter. Where do I begin? 1) The rules DO NOT say one has to serve underhand (as you stated in the video). I believe you re-articulated rule 4.A.7.a.: "The server’s arm must be moving in an upward arc at the time the ball is struck with the paddle." Anatomically, the arm is the part of ones body between the shoulder and elbow. In common speech the arm also includes the forearm. This rule as stated and serving underhanded are not the same. 2) The video shows: "Contact point below the Navel". The rules DO NOT say this. Again, I believe you are re-articulating rule 4.A.7.c.: "Contact with the ball must not be made above the waist" These are entirely two different statements and adds confusion to a subject that has not been explained in enough details in the rules. First where is the waist? Anatomically, the waist is between the upper part of the hip bone (top of the Ilium crest) and the lowest part of ones ribs. As a side note the waist-line happens to be in the exact middle of these bones. This is the reason it is the narrower part of the torso on thin people. Also as a side note, the navel is generally (for most people) about an inch below the waist line. I estimate that below the Navel and above the waist (in the actual rules) is a couple of inches. 3) You say "The contact point has to be below the waist". Wrong again......The rules say "Not above the waist" (I estimate this is probably a 3-4 inch difference........thats a lot). I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Jordan where is "blow the waist" and "below the Navel" verbiage coming from? Has there been some ruling or memo not stated in the rules? You would do me a big favor if you could respond to some of what I have written about in this post. Again, I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work and Thanks very much
Hi John, so glad to hear that you enjoy the video. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. 1) an upward arc with a contact not above the waist is generally accepted as being called and “underhand motion” in the racket/paddle sports world which is why we used it here. 2) We used the term navel because there is a lot of misinterpretation/confusion about what is considered to be the waist. There is no confusion about what the navel is. So, as far as a practical application, naval has been used as an acceptable substitute in the pickleball world but no, I do not believe it is officially stated or listed anywhere. That is why we believe “contact point below the navel” to be a reasonable way to alternatively explain “contact with the ball must not be above the waist. 3) answered in 2. Hope this helps.
I am new to pickle ball, and I am wondering how come people don't serve aggressively to score on the serve. I watch people play even in tournaments they don't try to serve to the sideline with a spin to at least get the returner to move a bit. Is there a reason people are not doing this?
Unlike tennis where you get two serves, it's better to make sure you get that first and only serve in fair play. So many times have I lost a chance to score a point by trying to get a killer serve. Better to let your opponent make a mistake than try too hard to get the win.
It's a lot easier when someone's NOT pushing the edge of this serve envelope to gain an advantage. Especially trying to get backspin on the serve, which in 99 times out of 100 the physics says the paddle was moving down, not up like what's called for in the rules. Pickleball was basically designed to take the serve out of the equation for winning the point unlike tennis where it's the major contributing factor. That's not to say you shouldn't work on making serves a weapon by moving the ball around in the court, deep, short, to their backhand and changing speeds but the better players you'll typically only catch once or twice and then it will become a non-factor again.
Almost every serve has some sort of topspin and/or side spin. Also, All the pros are hitting hard topspin serves nowadays. The sport is, and will always be changing. In today’s game, the serve sets up and affects the entire point!
@@primetimepickleball While it is true "today" that the pros are all hitting heavy topspin serves, when it ceases to be any kind of advantage or gaining you points, it will go by the wayside. Moving the ball around in the service box can be a weapon plus the occasional hard heavy topspin both to the forehand and backhand. The heavy topspin serve certainly separates the boys from the men. I play with a couple of guys with hard heavy topspin serves but they rarely give me trouble anymore and they do miss quite a few. Do you have stats on missed serves because heavy topspin is a lower percentage shot?
Can the ball be tossed up in the air on the serve or does it have to be dropped with no added force? Not talking about the 2021 drop serve rule, just the regular serve. I had someone tell me the other day when playing that I couldn’t toss the ball up at all, but I’ve been trying to research it and can’t find anything saying it’s okay or not okay.
To clarify this, I believe it can be tossed so long as you hit it out of the air before it bounces. Bounce serves have to be dropped and no additional force can be added either up or down.
I’m in a league and they don’t follow the rules of services. I try my best to teach how to make a correct serve but the administration tell me to not doing the correction for the other player. I think it’s a big mistake from the league to not teaching the correct way to do serve. Joe do you react if you are in my place??
I think you've done what you can by making the organizers/administrators of the league aware. If it's an unsanctioned event, I don't see what more you can do. If it's a sanctioned event, you could speak to USA Pickleball about it.
Our group doesn't follow these either because most of us came from tennis and these serve rules really take the fun out of the game for us. We don't allow overhead serves however. Side serves are fine. Game is a lot more fun and challenging this way. I almost won't play anymore with league serve rules unless we're with a group that enjoys the rules.
I wish there was a better way to enforce players who try to serve with a slice.. there may be a way to slice the serve staying in the legal reams, but most time the player is slicing in a downward motion. if you have time, maybe you can have a video showing if a slice is legal. thanks.
If you understand sidespin it is not that difficult to impart it legally during a serve. ua-cam.com/video/30XlPB7BtNg/v-deo.html From Mark at third shot sports.
I just hope they change the rule to an “underhand serve that is below the waist”. I think it will eventually get there. It is too hard to enforce the other rules.
@@primetimepickleballReally? The guy I play with insists both players on the serving side must be behind the baseline when one is serving. I thought he may be wrong....
Great video! I like the slow motion video on the serving. 👏👏👏
Thank you! Glad you liked the video.
Thank you for making this video. As a fairly new player, it is good to review these rules. I always suggest UA-camrs add the exact rule reference (display it on your video) so we know what you are saying is right out of the rule book. The waist is not your navel in most people's definition. The rules say navel. "Contact with the ball must not be made above the waist level (Waist is defined as the navel level)." To be clear, the paddle can be above the Navel (the part above the contact point), not the contact point though.....Thank you again!
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Good video, can you stand any place behind the baseline when serving, like in tennis?. Also, your partner is supposed to stand in a certain place while you serve (unlike tennis)?.
You can stand anywhere behind the baseline as long as you're not in the other half of the. Your partner should be behind the line on there half since the shot that comes back has to bounce because of the two bounce rule.
Can I hold the pickleball and drop as I'm already motioning my forehand and release the ball (lets say an inch) immediately before making making contact in a serve?
All other basic rules are applied (feet placement, below naval, etc.)
Yes
wanted to know the rule on:: when a serve hits the net, but lands in the correct opponents receiving area, beyond the NVZ line? Is it Live or a fault? Thanks and I love your videos.
It's live, play on.
Jordan, you are THE MAN! This should help with some controversial posts... should👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 and I love the Maverick (by Engage) paddle! 😁😁😁
Hey Patrick!! We miss you guys!!
What's confusing is while viewing some tournaments I've seen it called a let and the server gets another serve. So does recreational play and tournament play have different rules?
I have a silly question that no one has reviewed yet. At least no video that I can find. I am new and we are wondering what happens when I serve in single play, the serve is good but my opponent is unable to return due to missing the ball or smashes it into the net or other. Is this a point for me? Do I simply re-serve? The rule book does not cover this or am I incorrect? Thanks!!!
Just like in doubles, it would be a side out. Then your opponent would serve, and get the chance to score. You can only score on your serve.
If the serve is good and not returned the point goes to you.
Hi Jordan, first... I really enjoy your videos. You'r the man! But this video is full of errors. The reason I bring this up, is because I have been accused of serving the ball high, which I do not believe I am (supported by videos). As a result I have read the rules carefully and find a lot on nonsense on the internet regarding this subject matter. Where do I begin? 1) The rules DO NOT say one has to serve underhand (as you stated in the video). I believe you re-articulated rule 4.A.7.a.: "The server’s arm must be moving in an upward arc at the time the ball is struck with the paddle." Anatomically, the arm is the part of ones body between the shoulder and elbow. In common speech the arm also includes the forearm. This rule as stated and serving underhanded are not the same. 2) The video shows: "Contact point below the Navel". The rules DO NOT say this. Again, I believe you are re-articulating rule 4.A.7.c.: "Contact with the ball must not be made above the waist" These are entirely two different statements and adds confusion to a subject that has not been explained in enough details in the rules. First where is the waist? Anatomically, the waist is between the upper part of the hip bone (top of the Ilium crest) and the lowest part of ones ribs. As a side note the waist-line happens to be in the exact middle of these bones. This is the reason it is the narrower part of the torso on thin people. Also as a side note, the navel is generally (for most people) about an inch below the waist line. I estimate that below the Navel and above the waist (in the actual rules) is a couple of inches. 3) You say "The contact point has to be below the waist". Wrong again......The rules say "Not above the waist" (I estimate this is probably a 3-4 inch difference........thats a lot). I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Jordan where is "blow the waist" and "below the Navel" verbiage coming from? Has there been some ruling or memo not stated in the rules? You would do me a big favor if you could respond to some of what I have written about in this post. Again, I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work and Thanks very much
Hi John, so glad to hear that you enjoy the video. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. 1) an upward arc with a contact not above the waist is generally accepted as being called and “underhand motion” in the racket/paddle sports world which is why we used it here. 2) We used the term navel because there is a lot of misinterpretation/confusion about what is considered to be the waist. There is no confusion about what the navel is. So, as far as a practical application, naval has been used as an acceptable substitute in the pickleball world but no, I do not believe it is officially stated or listed anywhere. That is why we believe “contact point below the navel” to be a reasonable way to alternatively explain “contact with the ball must not be above the waist. 3) answered in 2. Hope this helps.
Jordan do you have to hit the underside of the ball or is the side of the ball ok?
You can hit the ball where ever you want, as long as you are following these rules.
I am new to pickle ball, and I am wondering how come people don't serve aggressively to score on the serve. I watch people play even in tournaments they don't try to serve to the sideline with a spin to at least get the returner to move a bit. Is there a reason people are not doing this?
I would also suggest they serve more aggressively within the limits of their accuracy.
Unlike tennis where you get two serves, it's better to make sure you get that first and only serve in fair play. So many times have I lost a chance to score a point by trying to get a killer serve. Better to let your opponent make a mistake than try too hard to get the win.
It's a lot easier when someone's NOT pushing the edge of this serve envelope to gain an advantage. Especially trying to get backspin on the serve, which in 99 times out of 100 the physics says the paddle was moving down, not up like what's called for in the rules.
Pickleball was basically designed to take the serve out of the equation for winning the point unlike tennis where it's the major contributing factor. That's not to say you shouldn't work on making serves a weapon by moving the ball around in the court, deep, short, to their backhand and changing speeds but the better players you'll typically only catch once or twice and then it will become a non-factor again.
Almost every serve has some sort of topspin and/or side spin. Also, All the pros are hitting hard topspin serves nowadays. The sport is, and will always be changing. In today’s game, the serve sets up and affects the entire point!
@@primetimepickleball While it is true "today" that the pros are all hitting heavy topspin serves, when it ceases to be any kind of advantage or gaining you points, it will go by the wayside. Moving the ball around in the service box can be a weapon plus the occasional hard heavy topspin both to the forehand and backhand.
The heavy topspin serve certainly separates the boys from the men.
I play with a couple of guys with hard heavy topspin serves but they rarely give me trouble anymore and they do miss quite a few.
Do you have stats on missed serves because heavy topspin is a lower percentage shot?
The paddle doesn’t have to move up just the arm
Good video!!
Thanks!
Where are these courts located in CA?
Concord, ca!
Can the ball be tossed up in the air on the serve or does it have to be dropped with no added force? Not talking about the 2021 drop serve rule, just the regular serve. I had someone tell me the other day when playing that I couldn’t toss the ball up at all, but I’ve been trying to research it and can’t find anything saying it’s okay or not okay.
On a traditional serve, yes you CAN toss the ball up in the air if you wish.
@@primetimepickleball thanks for the clarification!
To clarify this, I believe it can be tossed so long as you hit it out of the air before it bounces. Bounce serves have to be dropped and no additional force can be added either up or down.
In a volley serve does the ball need to be released from your hand before the moment of contact? In other words can the ball be hit out of one’s hand?
You'll want to release it first. You'll hit your hand if you try to hit it directly out of the hand. Not recommended.
Is it legal to basically follow through with topspin?
It is absolutely legal to hit topspin on the serve.
I’m in a league and they don’t follow the rules of services. I try my best to teach how to make a correct serve but the administration tell me to not doing the correction for the other player. I think it’s a big mistake from the league to not teaching the correct way to do serve. Joe do you react if you are in my place??
I think you've done what you can by making the organizers/administrators of the league aware. If it's an unsanctioned event, I don't see what more you can do. If it's a sanctioned event, you could speak to USA Pickleball about it.
Our group doesn't follow these either because most of us came from tennis and these serve rules really take the fun out of the game for us. We don't allow overhead serves however. Side serves are fine. Game is a lot more fun and challenging this way. I almost won't play anymore with league serve rules unless we're with a group that enjoys the rules.
I wish there was a better way to enforce players who try to serve with a slice.. there may be a way to slice the serve staying in the legal reams, but most time the player is slicing in a downward motion. if you have time, maybe you can have a video showing if a slice is legal. thanks.
If you understand sidespin it is not that difficult to impart it legally during a serve. ua-cam.com/video/30XlPB7BtNg/v-deo.html From Mark at third shot sports.
I just hope they change the rule to an “underhand serve that is below the waist”. I think it will eventually get there. It is too hard to enforce the other rules.
@@primetimepickleball That is basically the rule. The other rules are there to define what is a underhand serve is.
I believe I occasionally use what I believe to be a legal slice serve. Movement is upward but also some sideways low to high.
Please tell me rules of where ALL players must stand at service time
They can stand anywhere they want! The server has to be behind the line..
@@primetimepickleballReally? The guy I play with insists both players on the serving side must be behind the baseline when one is serving. I thought he may be wrong....
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Doesn't the ball have to leave the hand before contact is made? I see people hold on to the ball at contact which causes spin.
Hold the ball at contact? They would hit their hand. You can hit spin on the ball, you just can't spin the ball with your hand anymore.
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Is serving from the outside corners of the court considered an illegal serve?
Here's the rule: Neither of the server’s feet may touch the
playing surface outside the imaginary extension of the sideline or centerline.
It says the video is not available.
Really ? Please try again.
Ok now it’s there. Thanks.
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We know you got the idea of this video from pickleball forums 😃😃😃
I actually recorded this 2 weeks ago. Lol