Issues with metal slug 4 controller settings are due to unibios being in console mode on a mvs. Here is an excerpt from the unibios known issues. Later games in the Metal Slug and Samurai Shodown series (MS X,3,4,5 and SS 4,5,5Sp) may not work correctly in console mode until after you have set up the game settings and controller config in the options menu (after starting a game). This problem is due to the games not setting up the initial backup ram data correctly for console mode if the game is first run on the system while it is in ARCADE mode (you must experience a 'GAME OVER' before the new settings are permanently saved).
Retro Core that would probably be best considering the unibios and other settings get reset shortly after powering the unit off due to the modder removing the battery for the backup ram. I just set my hard dip 7 to on for Freeplay and leave them all in mvs/arcade mode.
I'm actually planning on reinstalling a battery as its a pain in the arse having it change the bios settings all the time. I prefer the Japanese setting as games will feature blood and be how I remember playing them in the Arcade. It is good to hear they've sorted out the mono sound issue on newer revisions of the CMVS.. That was quite a shock to me. An arcade system from the late 80s with mono audio? I'm really in to the sound on games so stereo was a must for me.
They updated the revision?! I like that, still on my list to get and even if the stereo fix is not to hard to pull off, better have it working by default. BTW: Good Show and Community Service you are running here, thx for that!
Even though this system plays less formats than a lot of other systems on this list, that makes it easier for me to look at it for what it is, which is a way to play MVS games; and as a way to play MVS games, this is pretty much as good as it gets. That’s why this ranked so highly.
Nice work Mark! Egh I've got the same soldering skills. Ordered today and a multi cart, the 120 in 1 version. I wanted Shock Troopers ;) Thanks for the update! I'm hearing the RGB is also a Sega Saturn SCART cable, anyone else confirmed that?
Thanks for sharing! I really want to get one for myself because I've been wanting a Neo Geo for ages and this thing is gorgeous. When you said the price was expensive, I was expecting at least double that, but wow, that seems quite reasonable all things considered. Plus support for the best controllers of all time? Heck yeah! Sega Saturn + Neo Geo is a perfect match!
So tempted to get this!! All I need is a second Hori SS arcade stick!! This is a dream come true! I've always wanted a NeoGeo. Considering this is using legit arcade hardware in a new shell, this might be as good as it gets.
Nice review! What you said "It slows down on a real neo geo anyway" - you have a real neo geo lol! It has an actual Neo Geo MVS board in there. It's not an emulator or FPGA based system - real hardware.
BTW - Juke box player in Unibios works once you have selected a game on the 161 in 1. If you then go into unibios after a soft reset the juke box will work. CRCs wont be correct as all games have hacked P roms on these carts.
I'm sure someone has said this already but you have to mess with the sync settings on the XRGB for the Neo to work correctly. I have my AES hooked up via component and I think it looks better than any RGB I've seen from systems of this era. Great pickups man, hope you are doing good!
Hi Retro Core, I'm seriously considering buying this CMVS. What RGB cable should I use with it? I already own a Sega Saturn RGB cable, but since another youtuber fried his OSSC, I'm not sure if it is the proper one. Is any specific RGB cable for this system? Thanks!
You should use a Saturn RGB cable that has capacitors on some of the signal lines to regulate the voltage. Any good RGB cable should have these. Apparently that guy on UA-cam was using a really cheap cable with no capacitors at all inside the plug part the went in to his OSSC. Maybe I should make an update video about this?
Thanks for the reply, I guess one of these will make the job: www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/saturn/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE The problem is that there are many options: Sync on Luma (NTSC/PAL), NTSC CSYNC via pin 1, PAL CSYNC... It's really confusing if you aren't familiar with the topic. An update will be really appreciate, thank you!
Great unboxing! I am a big neo geo fan but I can’t afford AES games. How about inputting lag? Are you facing any annoying input lag? I love fighting games and Retropie solutions have a terrible input lag!
Fairly new to this and just purchased the MVS CBox w/ SuperGun. I'm using the Sega Genesis 1 RGB SCART cable going into the Framemeister but I'm not getting audio. How can I get the audio through the Framemeister so I can record gameplay via HDMI on the PC?
Hmm, not sure what issue you have because my unit does pass mono audio through the Mega Drive 1 RGB port. Mono audio is no good so this is what I do. Run the audio from the red and white phono out sockets (RCA sockets in the US) on the Cbox and connect them up to the red and white phono inputs on the Framemeister. The Mega Drive cable should be connected as normal. Now, go in to the Framemeister setting menu and find the option under the audio section that allows you to switch audio from RGB to Video. This will now allow you to have RGB video but with audio coming through the phono inputs. Keep in mind that some Cbox models (the earlier ones) don't have stereo sound since the MVS board inside them are mono by default. You'll need to do a stereo mod if your system is mono. I did a video on that.
Sorry, no. This is a real Neo Geo MVS board made by SNK with a joypad and TV out added by the Chinese maker. Some games can save data such as high scores and stage to continue from such as the KOF games. As for real save states, I'm afraid not.
It's only supported by a very select few games. The same feature works on the real arcade machines if you use a SNK memory card or the home versions of games. As far as I understand only the King of Fighter games suport this feature. One thing you should know is that some of these CBOX Neo Geo consoles don't have any battery in them. If the one you buy is like that then it won't save any data at all, including high scores. If you are going to use a Neo SD cartridge (Neo Geo flash cart) then that will allow you to save level position just like the CBOX. The Neo SD cartridge writes save data to the micro SD card it uses. Sadly these are pretty expensive devices.
Hey, how did you access to the second menu, and more importantly how to access the main menu of an original mvs cartridge? I need to change the difficulty. Thanks in advance.
@@RetroCore thank you, it can be accessed during the boot up unibios screen, and the original snk main menu can also be accessed by pressing B,C & D. I changed the difficulty and the blood thing on the metal slug games.
How did you do the initial controller setup? I bought the wireless Saturn controllers from Retrobit and the console powers the dongle and they pair up but the controller is not doing anything?
Normal controllers just work. I've used official Japanese Saturn pads and Joysticks on this unit which just work as soon as they are connected. Maybe the Retro Bit controllers aren't 100% compatible with all Saturn ports?
STV ARCADE, Sega Titan Arcade is the name of the arcade board. Basic a better Sega Saturn, the one with Dead or Alive, Radiant Silvergun and many ohers. What a coincidence! I was looking at this Neo Geo Consolized 10 min before see your video :D
I was actually thinking of the Sega Astro City Arcade cabinet. The Saturn has a joystick erased in Japan that uses all the same parts as the Arcade cabinet.
£251.36 delivered to the UK from China...I'm sorry but that is an amazing price for this bit of kit and all I'm gonna do its the few mods you have shown if needed, as I'm now hearing the stereo is good and the bios is 4.0 now so everything works nice, but I'm more than happy to do the battery mod..tbh if they ship with that in it will prob get held by customs anyway. Now the month wait begins but I cant wait thanks for the recommendation on this as I have been on the fence but you have never steered me wrong Sir
How do I get the region set up. I am using a saturn controller and dont have select button. I know how to hold the start button to exit out. Also how do you access the juke box to hear the games music
On the Saturn controller the bios options are mapped by holding down A, B and X together (maybe you have to press start too, I don't remember) . This will bring up a menu with the jukebox. To change system Select the reset option. When the machine resets you can do the A, B and X combination again to bring up another menu that will allow you to change settings from arcade to console and region. By the way, the "C" button of the Neo Geo is mapped to X on the Saturn pad.
@@RetroCore that's something positive then, are you using CRT or some scaler like OSSC? I found the retrorgb article mentioning the issue at following, www.retrorgb.com/cbox-aliexpress-mvs-outputs-improper-sync.html
Looks pretty good, nice anyone is replicating hardware. I see some problems chatter below but it seems isolated to the RGB out, probably some way to patch it. Two reviews in one heh, the cart has a few glitches but look at the price though. Taste is subjective but why anyone argues against Sega Saturn controllers is crazy.
If you have a multi metre and are using RGB SCART on this, check the voltage on the composite sync pin 20 of the SCART plug. It wants to be ideally 1 volt, but no higher than 3 volts really for a scan converter to be protected. If it is over then add a 1/4 watt 470ohm resistor and 220uf 16 volt capacitor (negative pin on cap soldered to pin 20 on SCART plug) in series on pin 20 in the SCART plug to properly attenuate the signal. That should lower the voltage when you re measure it. I don’t think they have added to the console that’s why this is a problem. If it is still over 3 volts after the mod to the SCART plug add a second 470ohm 1/4 watt resistor in series with the first. This only applies to Euro SCART and not JP21 as I am not familiar with JP21.
Alright my man...can't say I trust Ali Express but I'm trusting your review...so I bought one with the 120 n 1 cart...question, I have an AES...will the arcade sticks work on this ?
Yes, as long as they are standard Neo Geo sticks they will work. I've not tried the sticks myself but I have tried a Neo Geo CD control pad which uses the same pin layout as the AES controllers.
The 1b versions I''ve seen dont have all the different video out options and dont have the Saturn input ports. (and I have seen some 1b versions with PS2 input ports on it)
@@RetroCore Only one problem - the text will be in Japanese. You can push the Start and Select together to bring up the menu and enable red blood and all that stuff if you set it to USA or Europe so that you can have English text and uncensored..
I've used RGB 21 pin (Japanese scart), component and S-Video. I've not tried to composite yet as composite video quality is awful on any system. I'll be doing an update video on this hardware soon.
Hello guys, I just bought one of these packs. 370$ as of today including shipping to Europe. Anyone knows where I can get information on how to access the Bios? How do I set it up ?
Yeah, this must be as impressive as my music samples used on my atari 2600 multicart rom. Ok, this thing isn't as impressive as what I have, but it's dang impressive!
ALRIGHT!!! Mark got himself an an awesome Neo-Geo CMVS unit to add to his already excellent collection. This looks really good and like that clear coat type look to it Mark. Thank you for trying out Andro Dunos with your 161-in-1 as well. Nice pick to add to the unit too. But I really like to say is a special thank you for posting this up n the Neo-Geo thread on Atariage.com for us to enjoy. We really like it and it help giving some of our members a choice on what type should they get. I'll post on their soon with a reply bro. Well done as always Mark. Thank you as always for what you do for us. Anthony...
Yes, it's linked to the R shoulder button on a Saturn pad. For a Neo GEO controller I'm not sure as I don't have any. You can use can set the games to free play anyway if that's to your liking.
At last the most expensive system got much cheaper clone, and 236$ (for now) its good start for collector who cannot buy Neo-Geo coz its expensive as hell now.
Like i say for collector who want play Neo-Geo in real hardware, well i probably not buy it coz i dont have place for it and i already have perfect emulation machine AKA PC so yeah its for Collector purpose and for gamer who want play it in real Hardware.
Agree, but i dont have room for this so its really shame i cannot buy it, well at least i already have my perfect emulation machine so im fine with it (for now).
I really want to save money for it, and also with luck for an NeoSDPro at some point, I have 1st to set myself free from some debts before I can do that.
I just ordered mine with the 161 multi. Cost me 306.00 . Now I need to get controllers. In the pics it shows just the clear version like yours but someone told me there is a deluxe version. The one I got looks deluxe enough for me. 196.00 on alliexpress. Now I just need to wait
Ah, yes the deluxe version seems to be the exact same machine spec wise but comes in a smoked brown like shell. Maybe the deluxe version has the battery and stereo sound included? I had to mod mine to get the stereo sound and will be adding a battery for save data later this month.
Retro Core I saw the stereo mod. But will I be able to play this on my 55' TCL 4k roku TV or will I need some kind of scalar. If so what would u recommend for some thing not too expensive
It will work on your 4K TV but the image quality may look soft. I tried component direct to my 1080p display and that looked soft. I then ran it through the Framemeister which transformed the image in to a nice sharp one. You will not get a great image on a 4K TV With a cheap up scan box. The Framemeister is the way to go.
Retro Core I saw on another video that the cbox destroyed his ossc. I hope it does not do that to the framemaster if I get one. I guess he used the scart and blew up his scaler
As long as it can accept an NTSC signal. If you are using component cables I don't think NTSC or PAL matters but it does matter when using RGB, S-Video or composite.
No, this is 100% real Neo Geo Hardware. The extra parts added to the arcade MVS board are only for Video out to a TV and a joypad / stick connector. The actual Neo Geo hardware is 100% legit.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in the video. All Neo Geo AES controllers work including those for the Neo CD. All Sega Saturn controllers including Joysticks will also work.
I thought that this was going to be a cool piece of kit, but it's already gained a reputation for damaging hardware. Another UA-camr bricked their OSSC using this system through it's RGB output. I hope it works well for you though and doesn't damage your XRGB Mini :)
How on earth did he do that? I know the component video wasn't liked by my Framemeister however the TV had no issues. I was running it for 3 hours tonight via the Framemeister without any problems using S-Video.
Madlittlepixel I know Retro RGB had some thoughts on what the issue may be. He suggested the system may need some tinkering with to ensure it work with consumer TVs.
If this was truly "ultimate", wouldn't it have HDMI out? Don't get me wrong, I can get by with composite or S-Video if I have to, but this modded unit to include new outputs should have included HDMI out as well. I've seen others that do (adds to the cost, naturally...)!🙂🕹🍒
That's an interesting question but one that true Neo fans would not like. To them it's all about using a CRT which is why they wouldn't want HDMI. I see many complaints about Analogue's Super NT and their upcoming Mega Drive system. They only offer HDMI but the really hardcore fans want RGB out.
Retro Core There are people in Italy & Spain who are making consolized MVS units with HDMI out. The availability of new and still working CRTs is going to get more and more slim as time goes on. While they may be ideal, I also simply do not have the room for a decently-sized CRT within or without an arcade cabinet where I live. That, plus the sheer weight factor of those units when you don't live on the ground floor as I do makes getting one out of the question. Despite that, I can absolutely assure you that given the amount of money I have spent on my Neo collecting to date makes me nothing BUT a true NEO fan. 🙂🕹🍒
Exactly. Not sure about him being toxic as I don't follow the guy but I did see the video about him blowing up his up scan converter. From the video is sounds like it was his own fault as he used a really nasty Euro scart cable. I've not had any issues myself.
The youtuber in question was Madlittlepixel. You are all factually off on your assesment where you put him in a bad light without any knowledge or knowhow into how the CBOX is put together. In short the CBOX is inherently prone to fry your run of the mill top hardware for RGB conversion to digital signaling such as HDMI due to shoddy/cheap off spec component choices meant to do the job needed in order to put an analogue signal onto your modern thoroughly digital screen... the way many or most hook their hardware up to their screens using say an OSSC or Framemeister. The RGB cable used by Madlittlepixel was all within spec and a high quality such cable at that. The problem in his case was with the CBOX, not his cable. The RGBS wiring and specs of the CBOX is often way out of EURO Scart spec. It is to the point where well established hardware fries if you try to hook it up the provided connections. It’s a well known problem. The MVS board in the CBOX is as fine as fine gets (SNK official hardware). The video conversion board at the back of it how ever is not. It is not only garbage concerning quality (component was useless, was it not? take a guess why). The RGBS signal in the CBOX is provided ’as is’ meaning it’s shit in more ways than one. Not only is it a direct through put (rubbish). It is directly damaging in many cases to your surrounding hardware. Not knowing better and blindly trusting the manufacturer of this product people like Madlittlepixel and many more have been suckered in - and fried expensive hardware as a result. Rip that shit on the back of it out and get a propper JAMMA video board such as the HAS. I dare the video creator of this video to hook up his CBOX to an OSSC in order to get the best signal out. It might work, it might not. And it might fry it.
Utgardaloki76 Actually the OSSC is known to be temperamental with different scart solutions. It has a habit of failing even if you do everything right on its own.
Because shipping is different depending on where you live. At the time of buying the price was 236 dollars. You don't add shipping when quoting a price.
bad consoles those of retro bit.at games.neo geo x gold.but I'm not rich to buy the original neo-geo in the future I will buy this console to play as close as possible in its original and old tube television view
incredible how expensive still they are, compare with modern consoles like xbox ps4 and you can have a measure how expensive still they are. you can't buy it less than 200 bucks
Have one of these on order. Can't freaking wait!
Looks amazing in that transparent case.
Thank you for sharing this device !! Im very happy that exist !
You're welcome. Seems pretty solid so far.
Marc Yourath I 100% agree! WOOHOO!
Issues with metal slug 4 controller settings are due to unibios being in console mode on a mvs. Here is an excerpt from the unibios known issues.
Later games in the Metal Slug and Samurai Shodown series (MS X,3,4,5 and SS 4,5,5Sp) may not work correctly in console mode until after you have set up the game settings and controller config in the options menu (after starting a game). This problem is due to the games not setting up the initial backup ram data correctly for console mode if the game is first run on the system while it is in ARCADE mode (you must experience a 'GAME OVER' before the new settings are permanently saved).
Ah, I see. Thank you for posting that information. So for those games it's best to play in MVS mode to avoid having to change settings.
Retro Core that would probably be best considering the unibios and other settings get reset shortly after powering the unit off due to the modder removing the battery for the backup ram. I just set my hard dip 7 to on for Freeplay and leave them all in mvs/arcade mode.
I'm actually planning on reinstalling a battery as its a pain in the arse having it change the bios settings all the time. I prefer the Japanese setting as games will feature blood and be how I remember playing them in the Arcade.
It is good to hear they've sorted out the mono sound issue on newer revisions of the CMVS.. That was quite a shock to me. An arcade system from the late 80s with mono audio? I'm really in to the sound on games so stereo was a must for me.
They updated the revision?! I like that, still on my list to get and even if the stereo fix is not to hard to pull off, better have it working by default. BTW: Good Show and Community Service you are running here, thx for that!
Even though this system plays less formats than a lot of other systems on this list, that makes it easier for me to look at it for what it is, which is a way to play MVS games; and as a way to play MVS games, this is pretty much as good as it gets. That’s why this ranked so highly.
I’m so glad you reviewed this! Been curious since I saw someone I follow on Instagram pick this up.
Gave it a 3 hour try tonight. Seems to work just fine.
Well this convinced me to get one. Ive been in the market for a consolized MVS for the last year, and this did it. Thanks Mark!
You may want to check out the updated video too - ua-cam.com/video/ys33lG3prag/v-deo.html
Nice work Mark! Egh I've got the same soldering skills. Ordered today and a multi cart, the 120 in 1 version. I wanted Shock Troopers ;)
Thanks for the update! I'm hearing the RGB is also a Sega Saturn SCART cable, anyone else confirmed that?
Shock Troopers is also on the 161 in 1 cart. They list it under the Japanese name.
The RGB out is a Mega Drive / Neo Geo one I believe.
Thanks for sharing! I really want to get one for myself because I've been wanting a Neo Geo for ages and this thing is gorgeous. When you said the price was expensive, I was expecting at least double that, but wow, that seems quite reasonable all things considered. Plus support for the best controllers of all time? Heck yeah! Sega Saturn + Neo Geo is a perfect match!
You can't go wrong with Neo Geo and Saturn controllers 😀
So tempted to get this!! All I need is a second Hori SS arcade stick!!
This is a dream come true! I've always wanted a NeoGeo. Considering this is using legit arcade hardware in a new shell, this might be as good as it gets.
Sadly being from China they did skimp@ out on the Stereo mod so I did that myself today. It's not a difficult mod.
Look like a very nice piece of kit! Thanks for sharing.
Once I see an interesting device on AliExpress or so, you review it just a few days later. Cant wait to see it!
Nice review! What you said "It slows down on a real neo geo anyway" - you have a real neo geo lol! It has an actual Neo Geo MVS board in there. It's not an emulator or FPGA based system - real hardware.
Yeah, I know :) don't know why I said that 😀
At the time, I took it as if he meant it as proof it's real hardware because it works like it.
Retro Core how long did it take for your neo geo to arrive ?
Mine is on the way. I love the SATURN inputs!!
The Saturn inputs are what sold me. Saturn controllers are great.
Mine just shipped today, any word on what srgb cable to use
BTW - Juke box player in Unibios works once you have selected a game on the 161 in 1. If you then go into unibios after a soft reset the juke box will work. CRCs wont be correct as all games have hacked P roms on these carts.
That's right. I figured that out later that night after making the video. Pretty cool feature.
how does this work in UK with the power supply? Is a step down required?
I'm sure someone has said this already but you have to mess with the sync settings on the XRGB for the Neo to work correctly. I have my AES hooked up via component and I think it looks better than any RGB I've seen from systems of this era. Great pickups man, hope you are doing good!
Ah, thanks for the advice.
Finally! A game cartridge large enough to use as a melee weapon!
Sherbert's World of Schlock But there's a problem...
IT'S NOT MELEE!!!!
i bought mine like 6 years ago on Taobao and still playing it^^ (not the same "design")
Very nice video! Congrats!
This is the dream of aquision for a those who do not want to spend a fortune buying another products.
Very good.
Indeed it is. I did a mod on it today also. I'll be uploading the video soon.
All the Neo Geo library played in real hardware via Saturn controller. My dreams come true xD. Thank's for the video!
You can't get better than that :)
*SEGA. SATURN. CONTROL. PORTS.*
Hell yeah, bay-BEE.
Hi Retro Core, I'm seriously considering buying this CMVS. What RGB cable should I use with it? I already own a Sega Saturn RGB cable, but since another youtuber fried his OSSC, I'm not sure if it is the proper one. Is any specific RGB cable for this system? Thanks!
You should use a Saturn RGB cable that has capacitors on some of the signal lines to regulate the voltage. Any good RGB cable should have these. Apparently that guy on UA-cam was using a really cheap cable with no capacitors at all inside the plug part the went in to his OSSC. Maybe I should make an update video about this?
Thanks for the reply, I guess one of these will make the job:
www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/saturn/SEGA-SATURN-RGB-SCART-PACKAPUNCH-PRO-CABLE
The problem is that there are many options: Sync on Luma (NTSC/PAL), NTSC CSYNC via pin 1, PAL CSYNC... It's really confusing if you aren't familiar with the topic.
An update will be really appreciate, thank you!
I'll see what information I can gather for an update video maybe later thus week or next week.
Wow! simply astounishing!
Great unboxing! I am a big neo geo fan but I can’t afford AES games. How about inputting lag? Are you facing any annoying input lag? I love fighting games and Retropie solutions have a terrible input lag!
Nope, no lag at all. I use Saturn controllers and joysticks. Everything is prefect.
Fairly new to this and just purchased the MVS CBox w/ SuperGun. I'm using the Sega Genesis 1 RGB SCART cable going into the Framemeister but I'm not getting audio. How can I get the audio through the Framemeister so I can record gameplay via HDMI on the PC?
Hmm, not sure what issue you have because my unit does pass mono audio through the Mega Drive 1 RGB port. Mono audio is no good so this is what I do.
Run the audio from the red and white phono out sockets (RCA sockets in the US) on the Cbox and connect them up to the red and white phono inputs on the Framemeister. The Mega Drive cable should be connected as normal.
Now, go in to the Framemeister setting menu and find the option under the audio section that allows you to switch audio from RGB to Video. This will now allow you to have RGB video but with audio coming through the phono inputs.
Keep in mind that some Cbox models (the earlier ones) don't have stereo sound since the MVS board inside them are mono by default. You'll need to do a stereo mod if your system is mono. I did a video on that.
@@RetroCore Thank you for the advice, I appreciate the reply. I will try this out tonight and hopefully it works!
Congratulations on your new pick up, happy days.;)
Thanks, Craig.
Does it do a save state, or have any way of saving your progress in the game before turning it off?
Sorry, no. This is a real Neo Geo MVS board made by SNK with a joypad and TV out added by the Chinese maker. Some games can save data such as high scores and stage to continue from such as the KOF games. As for real save states, I'm afraid not.
@@RetroCore Stage to continue from is pretty cool, better than nothing. I wonder if they have that in the beat em ups or shoot em ups?
It's only supported by a very select few games. The same feature works on the real arcade machines if you use a SNK memory card or the home versions of games. As far as I understand only the King of Fighter games suport this feature.
One thing you should know is that some of these CBOX Neo Geo consoles don't have any battery in them. If the one you buy is like that then it won't save any data at all, including high scores.
If you are going to use a Neo SD cartridge (Neo Geo flash cart) then that will allow you to save level position just like the CBOX. The Neo SD cartridge writes save data to the micro SD card it uses. Sadly these are pretty expensive devices.
Hey, how did you access to the second menu, and more importantly how to access the main menu of an original mvs cartridge? I need to change the difficulty.
Thanks in advance.
ABC and start enters the Unibios menu.
@@RetroCore thank you, it can be accessed during the boot up unibios screen, and the original snk main menu can also be accessed by pressing B,C & D. I changed the difficulty and the blood thing on the metal slug games.
May i ask how long you had to wait until the unit arrived, it does look pretty good for the money. Cheers for the video mark :-)
From the date it was actually posted, only a week.
Cheers, im seriously considering this as a back up and companion to my analogue interactive cmvs. Thanks again mark, always enjoy your videos !!
Hi mark. Is the unibios soldered to the board or can you pop it out?
Ah, it's soldered on to the board.
The cartridge menu is made with a Zxspectrum XD
Very interesting this consolized MVS,great video Mark
A greeting!!!!!
Thanks. I've changed the menu colours now to resemble an Amstrad CPC :)
How did you do the initial controller setup? I bought the wireless Saturn controllers from Retrobit and the console powers the dongle and they pair up but the controller is not doing anything?
Normal controllers just work. I've used official Japanese Saturn pads and Joysticks on this unit which just work as soon as they are connected. Maybe the Retro Bit controllers aren't 100% compatible with all Saturn ports?
Retro Core isn’t that a Retrobit in the video? I see it’s wired. I wonder if it’s just the wireless ones won’t work?
That's a great piece of kit.
Thanks.
Retro Core You're very welcome, even if I'm not John S.
Do you know if they sell the Cbox withouth the MVS board??? I intend to save money since I have plenty of MVS-b and C motherboards already
Someone I think on the RGB (Retro Gaming Board) mentioned that he had asked if it was possible to buy only the case to which the seller said no.
I think they're out of MVS Boards and now they sell the shell with the 2 circuit boards. I haven't asked if they will sell them again with board.
I didn't think NEO-GEO can have a multi-game cart. A wonder to behold.
It actually has two different flash cards as well as many multi carts
STV ARCADE, Sega Titan Arcade is the name of the arcade board. Basic a better Sega Saturn, the one with Dead or Alive, Radiant Silvergun and many ohers.
What a coincidence! I was looking at this Neo Geo Consolized 10 min before see your video :D
I was actually thinking of the Sega Astro City Arcade cabinet. The Saturn has a joystick erased in Japan that uses all the same parts as the Arcade cabinet.
How did you go about getting the case and artwork for the game cartridge?
The case was from an old AES copy of Fatal Fury. A really cheap game here in Japan. The artwork I made myself.
Can you reprogram the Saturn buttons so they can be the arcade layout instead of the NeoCD button layout?
So:
BCD
A
Instead of the NeoCD’s:
CD
AB
Nope, I'm afraid not.
Silly question, but will AES carts work on this as well?
I'm afraid not. This is basically an official MVS Neo Geo Arcade machine with TV out and control ports added.
£251.36 delivered to the UK from China...I'm sorry but that is an amazing price for this bit of kit and all I'm gonna do its the few mods you have shown if needed, as I'm now hearing the stereo is good and the bios is 4.0 now so everything works nice, but I'm more than happy to do the battery mod..tbh if they ship with that in it will prob get held by customs anyway. Now the month wait begins but I cant wait thanks for the recommendation on this as I have been on the fence but you have never steered me wrong Sir
Congratulations on your purchase. I doubt they'll add a battery so that's the only mod you'll need to do I beleive. What colour did you go with?
I went full retro and did the bright red! Won't get lost 😂😂
How do I get the region set up. I am using a saturn controller and dont have select button. I know how to hold the start button to exit out. Also how do you access the juke box to hear the games music
On the Saturn controller the bios options are mapped by holding down A, B and X together (maybe you have to press start too, I don't remember) . This will bring up a menu with the jukebox. To change system Select the reset option. When the machine resets you can do the A, B and X combination again to bring up another menu that will allow you to change settings from arcade to console and region. By the way, the "C" button of the Neo Geo is mapped to X on the Saturn pad.
Retro Core my jukebox does nothing when I choose it. And my a,b,c,d on the saturn controller is x,y,z,a respectively. The top roll is a,b,c
Is This board of yours still functional? I heard some Chinese consolization wasn't safe from the electronic perspective.
Mine is still going strong. I don't play it every day but it does get a few hours use every month since it was bought about 3 years ago.
@@RetroCore that's something positive then, are you using CRT or some scaler like OSSC? I found the retrorgb article mentioning the issue at following, www.retrorgb.com/cbox-aliexpress-mvs-outputs-improper-sync.html
I use a Framemeister. The video output from the NEO Geo is RGB.
Looks pretty good, nice anyone is replicating hardware. I see some problems chatter below but it seems isolated to the RGB out, probably some way to patch it. Two reviews in one heh, the cart has a few glitches but look at the price though. Taste is subjective but why anyone argues against Sega Saturn controllers is crazy.
I think I'll pass on using the RGB out. To be honest I'm amazed at the S-Video quality. It's some of the best I've ever seen.
Many people don't realize that S-Video can look pretty awesome. I just did the s-video mod to my mega drive and the video quality is excellent.
If you have a multi metre and are using RGB SCART on this, check the voltage on the composite sync pin 20 of the SCART plug. It wants to be ideally 1 volt, but no higher than 3 volts really for a scan converter to be protected. If it is over then add a 1/4 watt 470ohm resistor and 220uf 16 volt capacitor (negative pin on cap soldered to pin 20 on SCART plug) in series on pin 20 in the SCART plug to properly attenuate the signal. That should lower the voltage when you re measure it. I don’t think they have added to the console that’s why this is a problem. If it is still over 3 volts after the mod to the SCART plug add a second 470ohm 1/4 watt resistor in series with the first. This only applies to Euro SCART and not JP21 as I am not familiar with JP21.
Great video. Have one ordered. How is yours holding up? Sold my AES some years ago and have always regretted it. Have a 161 ordered also. Can't wait😊
Mine's holding up great. Just bought a NEO SD MVS for it which works great too. Review coming this week.
Retro Core Great to hear. Look forward to viewing the next vid.
Yep. I’ll be getting this. Great video.
What did your total come to?
Alright my man...can't say I trust Ali Express but I'm trusting your review...so I bought one with the 120 n 1 cart...question, I have an AES...will the arcade sticks work on this ?
Yes, as long as they are standard Neo Geo sticks they will work. I've not tried the sticks myself but I have tried a Neo Geo CD control pad which uses the same pin layout as the AES controllers.
Retro Core thanks
Can we buy another unit instead of the one in description or sum?
Brilliant video, Very tempted, when looking I notched two versions, 1c and 1b, any idea what the difference is buddy??
This is the 1c although I'm sure it was advertised as the 1b. I'm not sure what the difference is. Maybe the 1b has that paid version of the Uni Bios?
Not a clue, if anyone could let us know would be very greatful, Keep up the good vids buddy
The 1b versions I''ve seen dont have all the different video out options and dont have the Saturn input ports.
(and I have seen some 1b versions with PS2 input ports on it)
I will Buy 1 one on the end of the month. How long does the shipping take ?
Mine took about 3 weeks from Singapore to Japan. Seems many items bought from China are shipped from Singapore.
Thx for the info dude
Will it need a DFO (dual frequency oscillator)?
Mine didn't. So I guess not.
Hi would you be able to show us the Saturn RGB cable you used. Is the RGB cable for PAL or NTSC
I'll be doing an update video on this unit this week hopefully. I'll show it then.
can you update the unibios? as im sure there is now a 3.3? version out. great video. very tempted... to add this to my colllection as well..
I'm not sure. Ive not looked in to that as of yet.
My UniBios set up will be USA and Console (AES).
I go with Japan so that games are not censored.
@@RetroCore Only one problem - the text will be in Japanese. You can push the Start and Select together to bring up the menu and enable red blood and all that stuff if you set it to USA or Europe so that you can have English text and uncensored..
Is Ninja Combat loaded on the cartridge?
Yep.
What scary cable have you been able to hook up too it?
I've used RGB 21 pin (Japanese scart), component and S-Video. I've not tried to composite yet as composite video quality is awful on any system. I'll be doing an update video on this hardware soon.
Where did you get the cartridge box from?
I made it. Well, the case is an old AES copy of Fatal Fury but the cover I made.
Hello guys, I just bought one of these packs. 370$ as of today including shipping to Europe. Anyone knows where I can get information on how to access the Bios? How do I set it up ?
it's a modern neo geo, you gotta buy ammo for metal slug via DLC :)
great video!
Haha, I'm expecting that to happen with a mobile release sometime soon.
Thank you for showing me this l will buy one very exited!
No worries Yorkshire Pud. Oh man, now I want to eat some Yorkshire pud. They Don t have it here in Japan, unsurprisingly.
Retro Core they do them plate size with a full Sunday dinner inside yummmm
great buy mate ,,,and how much it cost for the console and the games
about 230 US dollars for the console and about 50 US Dollars for the game cartridge.
I was wondering, does it save the scores or any other features?
I'm afraid not as the battery is missing on the board. If one is installed then it should do.
Thank you for the reply. that and the audio mod in your latest video should make this buy a much more interesting thing
Yeah, this must be as impressive as my music samples used on my atari 2600 multicart rom. Ok, this thing isn't as impressive as what I have, but it's dang impressive!
Can you play original MVS and AES cartridges on it?
Original MVS cartridges, yes. This is a real Japanese MVS Arcade board. AES games will not work.
ALRIGHT!!!
Mark got himself an an awesome Neo-Geo CMVS unit to add to his already excellent collection. This looks really good and like that clear coat type look to it Mark.
Thank you for trying out Andro Dunos with your 161-in-1 as well. Nice pick to add to the unit too.
But I really like to say is a special thank you for posting this up n the Neo-Geo thread on Atariage.com for us to enjoy. We really like it and it help giving some of our members a choice on what type should they get. I'll post on their soon with a reply bro.
Well done as always Mark. Thank you as always for what you do for us.
Anthony...
I'll be stereo modding this today as it turns out the phonos on the back are in mono.
Is there an "insert coin" button on this CMVS?
Yes, it's linked to the R shoulder button on a Saturn pad. For a Neo GEO controller I'm not sure as I don't have any. You can use can set the games to free play anyway if that's to your liking.
What scart cable do you buy to get RGB out of it?
A Sega Saturn RGB cable is what you need but make sure it has resistors in it.
THank you!
At last the most expensive system got much cheaper clone, and 236$ (for now) its good start for collector who cannot buy Neo-Geo coz its expensive as hell now.
Like i say for collector who want play Neo-Geo in real hardware, well i probably not buy it coz i dont have place for it and i already have perfect emulation machine AKA PC so yeah its for Collector purpose and for gamer who want play it in real Hardware.
Yep, nothing beats using real hardware.
Agree, but i dont have room for this so its really shame i cannot buy it, well at least i already have my perfect emulation machine so im fine with it (for now).
Excuse me, what is a clone here apart from the bootleg cart? Because the MVS board is apparently legit
Retro Core except for the Atari 2600, as some emulators of that run better than an actual 2600 XD.
Would you do a video on the Sega Titan board if you have it?
If I had one I would but I no longer own one. Many years back I had a STV board and 4 cartridges.
I would love to see a consolized version as kind of a "Super Saturn"
I really want to save money for it, and also with luck for an NeoSDPro at some point, I have 1st to set myself free from some debts before I can do that.
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I just ordered mine with the 161 multi. Cost me 306.00 . Now I need to get controllers. In the pics it shows just the clear version like yours but someone told me there is a deluxe version. The one I got looks deluxe enough for me. 196.00 on alliexpress. Now I just need to wait
Ah, yes the deluxe version seems to be the exact same machine spec wise but comes in a smoked brown like shell. Maybe the deluxe version has the battery and stereo sound included? I had to mod mine to get the stereo sound and will be adding a battery for save data later this month.
Retro Core I saw the stereo mod. But will I be able to play this on my 55' TCL 4k roku TV or will I need some kind of scalar. If so what would u recommend for some thing not too expensive
It will work on your 4K TV but the image quality may look soft. I tried component direct to my 1080p display and that looked soft. I then ran it through the Framemeister which transformed the image in to a nice sharp one. You will not get a great image on a 4K TV With a cheap up scan box. The Framemeister is the way to go.
Retro Core I saw on another video that the cbox destroyed his ossc. I hope it does not do that to the framemaster if I get one. I guess he used the scart and blew up his scaler
Thank you l needed verification aliexpress was ok cheers !
Cant believe Wind Jammers isn't on the multi cart!
BlockABoots Yeah too bad some great titles are missing in this, twinkle star sprites is missing too, but great value for the money anyway.
I guess they did that so they can sell you a volume 2 in the future.
Will this work on an Australian TV?
As long as it can accept an NTSC signal. If you are using component cables I don't think NTSC or PAL matters but it does matter when using RGB, S-Video or composite.
Be interesting to see what SNK neogeo mini is like. If its emulated forget it, I will get the mvs.
I bet its emulation. I can't see them doing a hardware solution.
Is it hardware emulation?
No, this is 100% real Neo Geo Hardware. The extra parts added to the arcade MVS board are only for Video out to a TV and a joypad / stick connector. The actual Neo Geo hardware is 100% legit.
is the universal bios built in?
Yes, it is built in.
@@RetroCore thanks
What controllers does it accept??
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in the video. All Neo Geo AES controllers work including those for the Neo CD. All Sega Saturn controllers including Joysticks will also work.
Nice little thing,i could use my megadrive rgb cable on my aes
Ah, that you can.
I thought that this was going to be a cool piece of kit, but it's already gained a reputation for damaging hardware. Another UA-camr bricked their OSSC using this system through it's RGB output. I hope it works well for you though and doesn't damage your XRGB Mini :)
How on earth did he do that? I know the component video wasn't liked by my Framemeister however the TV had no issues. I was running it for 3 hours tonight via the Framemeister without any problems using S-Video.
Retro Core yeah it's true have a look at madlittle pixels video. I assume the RGB lines are out of spec or the sync lines are too hot..?
Heard this too; such a shame.
This is a nice piece of hardware... But id say just to be safe dont hook it up via a ossc or framemeister through the srgb output.
Madlittlepixel I know Retro RGB had some thoughts on what the issue may be. He suggested the system may need some tinkering with to ensure it work with consumer TVs.
looks cool, hope it doesnt fry any of your hardware!
Two days in with no troubles as of yet.
Mine got delayed cause of the saturn port need rewiring
Hope they can fix that for you. The Saturn port on the system is the most used port. Official Saturn sticks and pads (Japanese ones) are amazing.
Retro Core I went ahead and got a framemeister and just plan on using the svideo. Paid 400 but I think it will hold its value
The only flaw I see is that it doesn't include memory card ports.
That's true but to be honest Neo Geo games don't really need them unless you want to save your score.
cool, it’s a nice retro console.
but every time you see magical drop, you are supposed to play it
Ah, I've played all 3 versions of that to death on my Saturn :)
If this was truly "ultimate", wouldn't it have HDMI out? Don't get me wrong, I can get by with composite or S-Video if I have to, but this modded unit to include new outputs should have included HDMI out as well. I've seen others that do (adds to the cost, naturally...)!🙂🕹🍒
That's an interesting question but one that true Neo fans would not like. To them it's all about using a CRT which is why they wouldn't want HDMI. I see many complaints about Analogue's Super NT and their upcoming Mega Drive system. They only offer HDMI but the really hardcore fans want RGB out.
Retro Core There are people in Italy & Spain who are making consolized MVS units with HDMI out. The availability of new and still working CRTs is going to get more and more slim as time goes on. While they may be ideal, I also simply do not have the room for a decently-sized CRT within or without an arcade cabinet where I live. That, plus the sheer weight factor of those units when you don't live on the ground floor as I do makes getting one out of the question. Despite that, I can absolutely assure you that given the amount of money I have spent on my Neo collecting to date makes me nothing BUT a true NEO fan. 🙂🕹🍒
the problem with this product is
one toxic famous youtuber guy had a very specific video problem
and now this turned to a bad product
Exactly. Not sure about him being toxic as I don't follow the guy but I did see the video about him blowing up his up scan converter. From the video is sounds like it was his own fault as he used a really nasty Euro scart cable. I've not had any issues myself.
Arthur Collector saw that too. It’s his fault for being stupid lol. I can’t wait to order mine. But I gotta wait for tax return in February.
The youtuber in question was Madlittlepixel. You are all factually off on your assesment where you put him in a bad light without any knowledge or knowhow into how the CBOX is put together. In short the CBOX is inherently prone to fry your run of the mill top hardware for RGB conversion to digital signaling such as HDMI due to shoddy/cheap off spec component choices meant to do the job needed in order to put an analogue signal onto your modern thoroughly digital screen... the way many or most hook their hardware up to their screens using say an OSSC or Framemeister.
The RGB cable used by Madlittlepixel was all within spec and a high quality such cable at that. The problem in his case was with the CBOX, not his cable. The RGBS wiring and specs of the CBOX is often way out of EURO Scart spec. It is to the point where well established hardware fries if you try to hook it up the provided connections. It’s a well known problem.
The MVS board in the CBOX is as fine as fine gets (SNK official hardware). The video conversion board at the back of it how ever is not. It is not only garbage concerning quality (component was useless, was it not? take a guess why). The RGBS signal in the CBOX is provided ’as is’ meaning it’s shit in more ways than one. Not only is it a direct through put (rubbish). It is directly damaging in many cases to your surrounding hardware. Not knowing better and blindly trusting the manufacturer of this product people like Madlittlepixel and many more have been suckered in - and fried expensive hardware as a result. Rip that shit on the back of it out and get a propper JAMMA video board such as the HAS.
I dare the video creator of this video to hook up his CBOX to an OSSC in order to get the best signal out. It might work, it might not. And it might fry it.
Utgardaloki76 Actually the OSSC is known to be temperamental with different scart solutions. It has a habit of failing even if you do everything right on its own.
Want one!
Damn dude pressing those buttons is annoying. Great system.
This thing it's gaining bad reputation on UA-cam i hope it turns well for you
Played it for 3 hours tonight without any problems. I did notice the stereo mod wasnt done so I'll be adding that tomorrow.
Retro Core someone trashed his ossc while using this, so better don't use it with the ossc if you have one.
Hmm, this video isn't 4K at all. Still a good one tho.
Oh, you're right. It should have been. The original source file is in 4K. Maybe UA-cam are just being really slow on the 4K encode?
Cool. You're have a Bill Gates networth hehe- expensive to collect for.
Nice pants
haha, they're shorts. I was cleaning the house today so I put on my scruffy clothes.
How could it be $236? It has been $254 after shipping from that seller for weeks now... how did you get $236?
Because shipping is different depending on where you live. At the time of buying the price was 236 dollars. You don't add shipping when quoting a price.
bad consoles those of retro bit.at games.neo geo x gold.but I'm not rich to buy the original neo-geo
in the future I will buy this console to play as close as possible in its original and old tube television view
incredible how expensive still they are, compare with modern consoles like xbox ps4 and you can have a measure how expensive still they are. you can't buy it less than 200 bucks
I don't think the Neo Geo will ever be a cheap system.
Nice for Hdmi mod
i thought it was a box full of cups...
It would seem so with all that packing.
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Your English skills are improving keep at it d
Dude
I think you mean they're degrading. I am English but have lived in Japan for the past 20 years.
ultimate is to play 240P in CRT TV
£280 on ebay :(
Bummer but that's to be expected from EBay.
Someone could check it with cheap scart converts