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A reason i love this musical is that it’s mostly in Burr’s perspective, but it’s so subtle you’d almost miss it. We don’t know what happened in the room, because he doesn’t know. When you were talking about how they were playing up Hamilton’s intent being malicious, he’s only portrayed that way because that’s how Burr saw Hamilton’s actions. it’s so cool to look through the whole musical after realizing who’s pov it’s in
I agree with you about how cool it is that it's from Burr's perspective but I think you're over exaggerating how hidden it is, since you know 90% of the narration is done by Burr lmao
@@calebcraven7409 I don't think it's over exaggerated; I hadn't given it much thought and this definitely changed my perspective on the musical.
It's definitely not subtle, Burr is the narrator to the story. It's definitely easier to notice when you watch it live
Holy shit I never really thought about it until you said it out right but that's why we didn't know, I was just enjoying the story without much thought. And then when I thought about it I was like damn I'm dense, because I really want to know what happened in that room not realizing it was from burr's perspective......crazy😳
By the time you reach The World Was Wide Enough, Burr is the only person talking directly to the audience. "They won't teach you this in your classes..." "Now I'm the villain in your history."
We come for the historical review of the song, but can we talk about how ARTISTIC that animatic was??? Gettin' fancy with the complimentary colors and contrastive lighting. Me likey.
Yes what they said ^
I watch this animatic at least once a day it's so gorgeous
I actually watched this one first than the one from Disney+ and it still conveyed the feelings well
This is my favorite animatic of all time. I'm keep coming back to watch it because of the sheer emotional complexity it managed to portray and just how fun it is to watch.
complementary.
"complimentary" would be what you were in this comment.
omg please please do “Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story”! I’d love to hear your thoughts on Eliza and all her accomplishments, and the historical facts of the song
Oh my God, big yes to this!
Yes!
Yes i love her 😭
😭🤍
Spamming 4 this comment to be on top
15:45
He is remembering when Hamilton asked him that during the second song of the show, word for word. "If you stand for nothing, Burr, what will you fall for?"
Have you been using your time wisely?
@@Bumper-er4ss oh god i’m so behind... i bought the merch and i’m like 4 weeks behind..
Interestingly, Burr's lisp on stage isn't a character choice. It's most likely a result of Leslie Odom Jr wearing a full face microphone. Most of the other characters have their microphones hidden in their hair, but Odom Jr's hair is too short to conceal it, so he has the larger version. Because the microphone is so much closer to his mouth, there's a lot more sibilance and high-frequency content to his vocals, which makes him sound like he's lisping the entire time.
Wait he wears a face mask?
@@lucscott3631 Blame it on corona brain. Face mic. Changing it now.
CPCoulterTweedles alright. Thanks man😂😂
@@galacticdonuts2728 actually Leslie doesn't have a lisp. Should watch his interviews, neither did Burr so.....
I Heard No Lisp
I like the fact that they one of the most popular songs basically says, "I've no idea what happened"
From what I understand, Burr for Act 1 and a bit of Act 2, as the narrator, switches between his role in the present and him narrating the events after Hamilton's death. This song is actually the point where Burr stops spending the majority of his time as a narrator. From this point onward, he becomes more involved and even though he still is the narrator he starts narrating in the present rather then the future.
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10:45
So I looked up Lin Manuel Miranda’s annotation on this lyric, and it says “I asked the cast to shout any city within the original thirteen colonies, but they kinda shout whatever they want”
When your in the middle of class and realise that history is now just one big hamilton spoiler
Historians: We don't really know what exactly went down in that room
Lin: I can make a song out of this
I love your bird what's his name
His name is Peridot. He’s a good boy.
@@BradyDouglass He is that's a good name
@Social Stud That’s a great name!
@@charlijayne7051 yes
@@BradyDouglass you sir have EXCELLENT taste
I love the songs with Burr as the lead singer maybe it’s the voice? I’ll never know
Probably that, and also his motifs and recurring chord progressions, which are just really good
Same! Leslie Odom Jr just has an incredibly emotive voice and it makes me feel and believe every thing he's singing.
Yes! LOJ’s moves are so fluid and almost dancy and beautiful to watch. And his voice is like silk
How did both of ur comments blow up-
Later in the play Jefferson’s character says what Hamilton did “couldn’t be undone and he tried” could you maybe do a video explaining how he tried to undo his work and how it wasn’t possible
He ordered his treasury secretary to undo it but his secretary fell in love with the system and said that any change to it would ruin it
Would totally watch that.
Veronika Johns musicals are one form of play. And yes, musical theatre is still theatre and the shows are still plays.
@Veronika Johns this is like saying Frozen is absolutely _not_ a movie, but an animation...
Veronika Johns your definition for “play” is incorrect. Play includes musicals.
10:59 I'm pretty sure the cast just shouts out a random city each time, I think it has to actually exist at that point but I don't know for sure.
I still hear Toronto every time though.
I can only ever hear "New Orleans"?!?!
Oh! I heard it! That is so interesting!
And it isn't in our heads because "Toronto" is a lower pitched guy and "New Orleans" is a higher pitched woman, I think.
@@redhead_bebs ooh yeah I can hear New Orleans.
I sometimes hear a "Florida"
I know it's dumb but I hear "Ireland" xD
on stage, they have the freedom to yell whatever location they want, fictional or not
Lin actually told the cast to just scream the state they‘re from (of course only the 13 colonies tho) he by the way doesn‘t know if they listened😂 (he answered that to a fan asking the question what they‘re yelling)
I heard Florida and Georgia and that’s it lol
What was the limit for the kind of stuff they could say? Is it a US place or something like Wakanda?
I heard New Jersey
I’m pretty sure I heard Toronto 💀
@@ribbitrabbit64yea some people have said they heard Toronto as well, as well as places that weren't even part of the US at the time like Florida, so they probably just screamed whatever they wanted lol
Actually they did do the Adams administration off broadway. There’s a full version available and it’s pretty specular. You should listen to more of the cut songs, cause there’s even one with the whiskey rebellion, One Last Ride
PAYYOURFUCKINGTAXES
@@feyasatos
Put your guns down on my command
HAND THEM OVER
This is Hamilton my right hand man!
@@dancingcarapace BWUHBWUHBWUHBWUH
LINK
Hailey Giabiconi Just type the songs I mentioned. Lin preforms the adams administration in front of a small audience
Huh. Didn’t know that Hamilton and Madison were originally partners. Implies interesting things about the musical.
It's only briefly mentioned in the play. In "Non Stop" we learn that Madison helped write The Federalist Papers with Hamilton defending the constitution, and he later reminds us in "Washington on Your Side" that he wrote the Bill of Rights, the first amendments to the Constitution.
jak8714 they were like best friends for a while
Madison wrote 29
HAMILTON WROTE THE OTHER 51!!!!!!!!!
In the workshop Washington on your side, Madison has a cool solo part relating to it :)
@@bookbutterfly6613 They were until Madison teamed up with Jefferson. So that had to end...
“Is this actually happening in the play?” That’s a complicated question. I usually see musicals as a fantastical version of something actually happening. So what we see is never what is actually happening but a heightened, more emotionally charged, version of reality. One of my cast mates at the community theatre always puts it as “you don’t have to act in musicals, singing brings all the emotion anyway”
This is a bit off-topic from the question mentioned in your comment, as this is a reply to your last sentence. I believe there's a quote from one of the big-shots that started Disney that said something along the lines of you sing when dialogue and acting aren't enough to express the emotion, and you dance when singing isn't enough. Most of the time, at least what I've learned in the little time I've been doing musical theater, is that the progression generally goes acting > dialogue > singing > dancing. Whenever we're doing a quiet song that's more about the lyrics and message, we're mostly standing and making hand motions/facial expressions. When it's a high-energy song, we'll have choreography that acts almost like a funnel for us to pour our emotions through. If you want to apply this to the original question of "Is this actually happening in the play?", then I'd have to agree that it's a more emotionally charged version of reality. Because I do Christian musical theater, our musicals, like our current one, will sometimes take place during Biblical times. Pretty sure they didn't break into song and dance back then, but it's a way for us to show emotion and convey the theme or message better than we could through acting or dialogue.
15:30
Yes and no. To use fancy speak: The play exists in a superposition of real and non real on every level. In less fancy speak: Alexander asked him that question, Burr is asking himself that question, and the in-play and real life audiences are asking him that question.
To explain that last bit, the actors in the play are characters too but their primary roles are that of "eyes of history" and they act as the bridge between the real life audience and the "fictional" world that the play exists in. So when Burr gets asked "What do you want, Burr?", the background voices are supposed to represent us since we've been asking that question since the start of the play, historians who are trying to decode these events, the "audience" of the political theater that was happening at the time, and (of course) himself since even he was unsure of what exactly drives him to have lived for so long.
Eric Dowe oooo that’s really interesting.
This is so much better than I was gonna phrase it.
Brady: The feelings Jefferson had for Hamilton were infamous.
Me: Oh God, don't give the shippers more fodder!!
*doesnt hamilton already have laurens*
@@yosianderson4828 Once I found an animatic with Jefferson, Hamilton and Laurens and it was just too weird for me to watch.
@@anafabiaalvarezrea8594 you should've watched the whole thing
Im curious now what the name of this animatic is owo
@@gothic_ace2037 I think it was how to be a heart breaker (Lams/Jams). The animation is quite good actually but...
One other thing I love about the stage recording is that Leslie makes this like bark/yip sound in one of the lines toward the end that isn't in the studio version.
Bark/yup?
It’s probably because his mic is much larger on stage as his hair is too short to conceal it and it affects his voice.
I'm stoked that the algorithm put your video in my face. It's impressively well-balanced. You clearly understand the give-and-take between historical fact and artistic license in service of the narrative. It has a great flow too. You stop and explain just enough without belaboring the point. I genuinely thought the video was half as long as it is until I looked at the timestamp just now. It flew by.
I can see this channel getting big.
It's odd how little we think about the founding of the country these days. Hamilton was fantastic to get people interested in the subject. I'm happy that there are people like you who are both fans of the musical and can also shed light onto what actually happened. I know you're probably still getting demonetized but I, for one, really appreciate your insights.
On 15:30 that's happening in Burr's mind, it's kinda when he realizes that he can't keep waiting for things to happen, he has to start "playing the game" like Hamilton does, it's shows the change from "I'm willing to wait for it" to "I wanna be in the room where it happens".
btw I just found your channel, super interesting and amazing!!
nobody knows what exactly happened in that room, and THAT is why everyone keeps writing fanfics about it lmao
For the "What do you want Burr" moment I see it as both happening in Burr's head and Hamilton is saying it as well. Its definately something Hamilton would say and theyve debated it in previous scenes. So I see it more as Hamilton saying it more in passing while Burr is finally being hit hard by this after having seen how far Hamilton has come.
To answer your question at 15:35, it’s happening in Burr’s mind.
One I caught in the random screaming was TORONTO.
Yes, the Canadian city. Honestly, America, we'll take your capital for you if you really want us to.
I like to think this song was at least partially inspired by Miranda’s feelings when he was researching on Hamilton & rlly couldn’t find info how they came to the agreement
Any chance you could do something like this for the musical called six?
Y'know I watched an entire video about historically who the kings's wifes were and how they died and it was slightly boring but I learned all the women in six😂😂
yes plss
@@angiemccaskill4975 what you need to know about the women divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.
50% of people clicked on this video for Hamilton. 40% for the bird (and Hamilton maybe) . 10% other reasons (history? Idek)
xXunknownXx I clicked for the bird because I have a pineapple conure too 👉👈
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I’m in for historical accuracy
As a brazilian, is easy for me to understand when you talk about de capital being a district and not a city in a state, because that’s how it is in Brazil. Brasília is located in the federal district. I don’t know if for Washington is like that to, but for me ir weird to imagine a capital not being kinda in a “neutral” place, I’m so used to that
Washington, DC - the District of Columbia lies along the Potomac river between the states of Maryland and Virginia, part of neither one, controlled directly by the federal government.
It's the same in Australia - when Federation took place, Sydney and Melbourne couldn't agree as to which of them was to be the capital, so a new city (Canberra) was created halfway between them and the region around it was excised from New South Wales and called the Australian Capital Territory.
As for the city names: apparently, all the actors were told to shout out the city they were from. So it’s definitely not historically accurate.
Side question:
Do you know any Tudor historians who’d be interested in breaking down the musical Six?
Wait, there’s a musical set in the Tudor era?
@@HPGunshot Yes, about Henry VIII wives, but it definitely doesn't claim to be historically accurate
@@HPGunshot it’s hella modern Anne Boleyn used a phone b4 if I’m not wrong
the plays from burrs perspective so a lot of scenes with him could be in his head, it’s hard to tell
The specific scene in which the “ confronts“ Hamilton we see very little movement from the ensemble and burr and Hamilton are both framed in the blue light when the ensemble is static or providing little movement and we have characters in blue light it is essentially a soliloquy Key examples here being Washington “ can I be real a second” Little speech in his debut Hamilton in not throwing away my shot with “oh am my talking too much” and even later again on the same number when he’s talking about death appearing more like a memory. The only real time this doesn’t apply I think is in rewind but it’s also still shrouded in blue light and it’s a flashback kinda deal. But yeah it’s in Burrs head essentially
There are some time changes in hamilton for story purposes. the most prominent change is probably that they did Phillips death (who died in 1801) before the election of 1800.
I do think it’s mostly happening in Burr’s mind. I think Ham’s lines in the show are real, but Burr is recalling asking him about it. Especially after the first “what do you want burr?” It swirls back into his racing thoughts of ambition and failure.
I love this animatic
Burr is figuratively and literally in the dark while the "room where it happens" is bright
I always viewed it as a nightmare or a dream of Burr's considering the imagery of Burr looking in from the outside and Hamilton confronting him about his faults along with everyone else yelling at him.
Yes, I really like what you have described. It does seem like a moment when we get to see into Burr's tortured soul. He longs to be included and in power but he refuses to take a stand and tries to play nice with all sides which helps keep him on the edges and not in the center of the important decisions and conversations.
He's clearly saying Clermont street, that was an error on the animator's part.
jadesfire
Yeah, there is a clear r that you can hear.
This song is from Burr I believe. it's also worth noting that the type of movements he makes on stage change from this song on. before it was straight lines with a point, halfway through this song he starts walking in curves like Hamiltion does all play, to signal his change in thinking and actions.
This question may be entirely too hypothetical...but I always wondered if Hamilton were alive today, do you think he'd enjoy this musical? Do you think he'd even be able to understand it considering all the rap/hip hop and modern colloquialisms are in the script?
As long as we're having time travel, we might as well imagine some sort of translation device that could help him understand. If nothing else he'd probably be excited that he was remembered in a mostly positive light.
ilse lindberg - _lord, show me how to say no to this_
He might be a little upset by the fact that he DIES in a duel...🤷♂️
He’d probably like it as long as we translate any type of slang
I have found a new particular new interest in history channels. I wasn’t either or about history in school, but I enjoy your videos and it kinda helps me understand a bit more how interesting history can be.
"[Thomas is] gonna be trying to get into the room with James Madison."
W-wait no- don't feed the fandom like that 😓
15:35 to answer : it's in Burr's mind. On scene Hamilton leave the table of jefferson and madison to rush to the front and all his lines are deliver with a blank face and without moving which empathize the fact that it's not the real Hamilton, just like during the 'Thomas claims' it's the same display : Hamilton come rushing to Jefferson with a straight face and almost no body movement at all, deliver his line "I've nowhere else to turn" then leave. The straight face for me shows how it's not the real Hamiltoj but what Burr or other picture himself. I think it can also be seen in The Reynolds pamphlet. When alexander is reading along jefferson and madison his pamphlet he's standing on his desk, motionless and again with a straight face.
Where's my "I clicked this for the birb" comments at? All I saw was thoughtful discussions about story telling and history. Y'all are too smart for my bean brain.
That said, great video! Just doing my part in feeding the algorithm here, but I love these little factlets you are putting out without being rambly. Would love to hear your thoughts on some of the deleted songs!
Your bird is so adorable ❤❤
The ensemble screams where they are from in the one part. The director wanted them to scream actual locations from the time, but they didnt know any.
Fun fact even the D.C. license plate says "Taxation without representation" on the bottom.
Idk why when they were talking about where to put the "capital" I thought it meant in the sense of money so I was so confused how Hamilton could be happy with his banking plan when he couldn't control where the money was going, I'm terrible at history so I didn't realize moving the capital was happening then
There’s a reason Cabinet Battle #1 says “you could have been anywhere in the world, but you’re here in New York City” - it was where the government was originally located, before those 20x20 miles of swampland became DC.
Ooh, what do you mean by Burr's lisp? I wasn't aware of this.
when i saw hamilton in london a couple of years back, Burr had a lisp. not sure if that was an intentional affect owed to the real burr or just something that the actor already had, but it definitely got me thinking 🤔
Beth Warren - I saw in another comment that it was because the mic was so close to his mouth
@@pipstix5487 You're entirely correct. There's an Adam Savage video that covers the microphones of the Hamilton show. It shows that almost all the microphones are attached to the forehead against the hairline (as seen when looking at Lin's forehead in Hamilfilm) and the wire is threaded through their hair/wig to the back of their neck. Leslie Odom Jr and most other Burr actors don't have a hairline, instead his microphone is held to the side of his head and wired through the back of his ear.
Being closer to the mouth and cheeks = different sounds and inflections being picked up
(Bonus fact: King George has two microphone sets. A whole mic pack is inside the crown, and then when it's taken off, the mics in his hairline is activated instead.)
As someone that writes and interprets story lines for fun, I think this specific song has parts that are in his mind, and parts that are supposed to be things that Hamilton actually says to Burr.
One of the more simple ways to figure out what is actually said, and what Burr thinks is what is actually said by characters, and what is sung by the Ensemble.
Like when Hamilton asks "What do you want, Burr?" And it's echoed by the Ensemble, meaning it's having a deep impact on Burr.
But then the Ensemble says "If you stand for nothing, Burr, what will you fall for?" Which was a line said by Hamilton in the very first number. I think this line is supposed to be Burr remembering what was said to him and having it finally make sense to him that he has to go after what he wants. He can't just sit there waiting for it.
React to Six The Musical (a musical about the six wives of henry the eighth)
If I get into Henry VIII, I will check it out. Right now, I’m only vaguely familiar with him.
I saw it yesterday, so good
Gambito uh.. you realize broadway is closed down?
@@camopug I meant that I saw it illegally through illegal means on my phone in the comfort of my own home
@@Anonymous_Gambito same it was a really good slime video
I’ve been binging these videos. I LOVE Hamilton and I LOVE animatics. The bird makes me laugh so much! I laughed so hard when he tried to take your hat off! 😂
I’m so happy I found your channel!
That was such a interesting way to teach history! Love it!
This is my absolute song in the musical and I love seeing you dissect it
Yay, you did my favorite song!! And at least this Hamilton videos of yours will help me pass at least one test in apush this year!!
Omg! I just discovered your channel and what you are doing here is AMAZING and super interesting. Instant sub! Thank you!! 😁🇺🇸
You should do the original version of the Adams administration
im still mad that they cut the rap smh
Hey man, I’ve just gotten into watching your videos and I’ve gotta say, you’re awesome. Your lectures and the way you tell history and describe events is so engaging and incredible. Thank you for providing such an amazing service.
Bruh when I first watched the musical I thought when they said the capital they meant money so I was confused as to why Virginia got the money but New York got the banks.
I believe the stage direction for that scream of at “where to put the nation’s capitol-it isn’t pretty” was basically “pick any US city or state of 3 syllables or less you want-doesn’t even have to have been one at the time, just pick one-and if we can hear one being particularly popular, we’ll tell you to pick another.” “Florida” is the only one I can make out in the recording, but I believe the company switched ‘em up regularly, so it would’ve been a different indistinct mess each time.
Peridot stole the whole show
i really like that "The Room Where It Happens" is so based in fact because no one knows what happened at that meeting up to the point that they are not even sure who actually was there. Everyone who gave a version of being there gives a different account if I am remembering the book correctly.
I love history and seeing what has happened, being a historian sounds like a cool job
This is the first video of yours I’ve watched and I’m immediately HOOKED. You’ve got a new sub, my friend! Keep up the great content. 👍🏻☺️
12:41 I’m American and I didn’t know that
But maybe that’s cuz I’m not smart
the scene when hamilton talks to burr happened in the musical but in burrs head. you can understand that becuse later when burr reminded the room where it happened hamilton didnt understood what he meant
YAAAAS THIS IS SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT I NEED TO WATCH. But the though of how accurate is Hamilton did come pass by my head.
Congrats on your rescue! I think the bird on your shoulder is beautiful!
I’m so happy this got into my recommended because
1. It’s HAMILTON
2. The bird is so fricking adorable-
This guy feels like a super chill history teacher
Hey another historian! Keep up the good work, UA-cam needs more videos like this.
The dance sequence for this scene is amazing!!!
Im exited for the non stop review
When they scream I overall hear Rhode Island
Not only are you interesting and well spoken, but having your bird (Peridot, right?) with you helps me to focus on what you're saying (I have ADHD, and sometimes I need to have something visual to focus on while I take in words).
Hey man, I know that your specialty is american history, but have you thought on checking out Pacific Overtures?
It's a musical on Japan Opening its borders thanks to Perry's Expedition and the foreign influence on that land. It's by Sondheim and definitively isn't as pop as Hamilton here, and it plays kinda loosely with the names of the dudes involved, but that play is a huge inspiration for Lin Manuel Miranda in the making of this musical.
It doesn't has animatics but the whole original 1976's broadway production is out on youtube.
If nothing else I recommend at least checking out "Someone in a Tree" for the historiographic idea its trying to portray. It might resonate on you much like "The Room Where it Happens" did.
When they all were yelling during Madison's little part, I believe that they were saying states, or places. I've made out a few things, like Toronto, and Florida, Lin did make a list on Twitter, I believe. Love your videos btw!
I think everyone loves history and with him it is fun.
God my favorite lines in this whole dang show are
“ We dream of a brand new start
But we dream in the dark for the most part
Dark as a tomb where it happens
I've got to be in
The room (where it happens)”
the cut adams rap shows the adams administration more
A lot of this song happens in burr’s head and the main parts that arn’t in his head are every one else speaking and him talking to them
It’s actually really interesting to understand the background of the musical and have it explained 👍
This actually helps a lot. I watched Hamilton like- 27 times, and I love looking more into it. I’m actually reading Alexander Hamilton’s Guide to Life. I really recommend it to anyone looking deeper into Hamilton.
This literally feels like a video my teacher made for like, online school. I don’t know if it’s acoustics or if it’s that I’m really tired but it just seems like a really laid back explanation.
Seems like it is definitely in his mind! I thought that when I first truly listened to the song.
I am an art historian and I was having the exact same thoughts on how this song highlights how we don't always have primary sources that hint to a why and how things came to happen as they did. And I thought it was very cool that a musical includes a song that says: hey we do not know how everything happens we are just taking a guess... So genius
I love the ambiguous nature of what happened in the room because, like he said, we don’t know how they talked about the people involved. In a sharing information sort of way or in a “their just bargaining chips to use for a goal” type of way.
I love how peridot just chills the entire vid. My bird mamii has no chill and always chews on my ear
the bird on your shoulder is a perfect touch ;)
I love this reaction and the analysis. But may I just say how much I love the little details the artist put in that Jefferson sat on a swivel chair?
He just casually has a bird vibing on his shoulder and i stand for it
I admit, you hooked me with the birb
Jefferson in his swivel chair at 8:05 is ironic because Jefferson invented the swivel chair
I watched a clip of that John Adams show where they were having the argument over the bank system. Jefferson’s point in the show was that New York would be financial capital and the federal capital, basically like you said. I didn’t understand the line until I saw that.
About that part that you mentioned, this is definitely something introspective for Burr.
He deserves way more than just 10k!
when they all yell the capital i always here "florida" XD which was like, still owned by spain right?