Mr Bates vs The Post Office - Full Select Committee Hearing 2015
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- Since there is so much renewed interest, here is the entire Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee Hearing on the Post Office Horizon scandal on February 3, 2015 in which Alan Bates participated and Paula Vennells was questioned.
The Vennells section of the committee starts at 1:03:30.
Participants
First part:
° Andy Furey, Assistant General Secretary, CWU
° Mark Baker, National Branch Secretary, Postmasters Branch, CWU
° George Thomson, General Secretary, National Federation of SubPostmasters
° Alan Bates, Chairman, Justice for Subpostmasters Alliance
° Kay Linnell, Chartered Accountant, Kay Linnell & Co
Second part:
° Paula Vennells, Chief Executive, Post Office
° Angela van den Bogerd, Head of Partnerships, Post Office
° Ian Henderson, forensic computing expert, Advanced Forensics (Second Sight Ltd)
© UK Parliament 2015
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I am disgusted by George Thomson's evidence to the committee here. He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself. Sod the damage to the Post Office brand - the truth of what was happening to these poor subpostmasters is what is important here.
Thomson was in the $ pocket of the PO.
Interesting to see 10 years on, who emerged with any credit from this talking-shop “snow-job”.
Certainly Alan Bates, Kay Linnell, and the “Alan” guy from the CWU. But most of all, Iain Henderson who gave the liars both barrels - as a result of which, PO were permitted to terminate his contract. A VERY good man.
A word too for Nadim Zahawi - a politician I’ve never much cared for - but who really went to town on the Ugly Sisters. 👏🏼👏🏼
George Thomson is so lacking in awareness he is dangerous. I can just imagine him stood on the deck of the Titanic as it submerged into the waves barking at everyone the ship is robust and unsinkable. The notion that he might be wrong about something he knows very little about (ie, the computer behind the Horizon system) is incomprehensible to him. His stupidity is breathtaking.
Bargain basement Mussolini.
What a smug, evil pair of women they are!
Knowing what we know now that by the time they were giving this evidence they knew there were isdyrd with the system and the sub postmasters were innocent makes me sick watching them.
They need to be held legally accountable. People died for crying out loud 😡
two of the worst sitting behind van bogan n vennell are the scummy po lawyers, mark davies n chris aujard. the only really decent legal advice came from susan creighton, whom both vennells n alice wahatsit schemed to get rid of.
Paula Vennells : “I could not as Chief Executive of the Post Office put this scheme (Horizon) in place and not do it properly”. Well, you failed miserably love and tried to cover up your failures by breaking the law and destroying innocent people's lives. Your assets should be seized as proceeds of crime and you should face a hefty prison sentence. If this had happened in the USA you'd already be in jail pending trial.
Exactly, the UK is awful at prosecuting white collar crime. CEO's who fail big time like Paula Vennells almost never get prison sentences and get to keep their gold plated pensions....
Think this time it may just be different.@@sc3304
George Thomson's "contribution" is absolutely diabolical. I wonder what his family and friends think of him?
I am quite certain that he TELLS them exactly what they are allowed to think of him.
Utter blowhard scumbag.
Thank goodness for Jason Beer KC, and Howle(?) and Co at Inquiry now!
We shall see you week after next Vennels 🤬! (And as for you Angel van Didn't Bother...oh dear! Didn't get such an easy time at inquiry, as here, did you)!?
Ian Henderson, one of the few gentlemen in the whole saga. a beacon of decency and commonsense in this whole debacle.
Whenever Vennells gets asked a question, her response "can I start by saying, because it's important that [I need to puke out some corporate lies on how good we are]. I think she even starts by saying thanks "for letting the PO come to the meeting" !!! she is lost in her own little mind.
1:26:00
The joy on Alan’s face as he listens to them stumble over each other is fantastic to see 😂👌
a union that supports the employer instead of its members ? every single penny they took should be taken back and the top brass jailed
Thompson's job was to protect his members not " The Brand" seems his main concern was to look after himself.
Shame on you George Thomson. No doubt now retired on a largish pension. The only saving grace is everybody now knows what a poor, blinkered job he did.
Defending a flawed system at any cost including people's lives. Too many vested interests at stake.
Cover-ups and smoke and mirrors.
This is gold! Paula really shows no shame whatsoever, just like Elizabeth Holmes
Unbelievable this was 2015 and now 9 year on and sub postmasters are still waiting for justice.... the government and PO have dragged it on with red tape is shocking😮
Regarding the video resolution: the source video on the Parliament TV website is only available in 360p. No higher resolution exists.
Thsnk heavens for the MPs. Particularly Arbothnot and Bridgen, who refused to accept the Post Offixe BS
Vennells told Inquiry that mediation scheme was 'not about money' and any compensation would be a 'token'. Here they talk as if its a settlement scheme to put everything right.
Strange, isn't it, that Vennels claimed to have comprehensive knowledge of the cases to the Select Committee, but her memory seems to have failed her at the time earlier this year when being asked questions by the Public Enquiry.
Can I hear two creaking jail cell doors opening?
I hope so!!!!
I can smell toast, as the enquiry restarts next week
So 8 years ago and they currently deny all knowledge.
George Thomson is a particularly nasty fellow.
why if the number of problems is so small are there 50 staff on the help line and why are they always busy ?
PV appears to have been asleep at the wheel...
I like the Brian guy, he knew it was all bullshit and went hard on Vennell's
Alan needs to be in the House of Lords
There should be no general election to be made Prime Minister weather is healthy hold out trying to sort the mess up and you've been trying to do this for 25 years for the Post Masters how are we still alive or hasn't been somehow removed from his position in a way sum of what is satisfied for 25 years
Like the PO the police investigate complaints about the force and are not an independent body.
Sir Alan rules 2024
right from the start PV just wants to ramble on about how good PO is a what a brilliant job she does ! imagine 9 years later shes crying on a witness stand about how hard done by she feels
Paula Venal is evil.
The Paula Vennels section starts at 1:03:30
Only been watching for about a half hour and im shouting at my phone and the lies ,george thomson and the nfsp stated in a statement in 2015 that they didnt recieve any horizon problems , george thomson 2 weeks ago at the pol enquiry stated that he investigated 20 yo 30 horizon issues , grorge and the nfsp cant have it both ways
1:12:15 Bare faced lies.
Does anyone know when George Thompson, Gareth Jenkins and Duncan Tait are giving evidence?
If you Google the official inquiry website, it's got the timetable of witnesses and dates.
@@IllustrafulI think Gareth Jenkins will be on for 4 days in June 2024
@@caterinawilliams998 i'd heard there was some debate about jenkins appearing. he's said he can be very informative but wanted an indemnity from po prosecution before doing so, implying, i think, he can well n truly drop po n possibly fujitsu, right in the crap.
@@michelebourke4340 according to the inquiry timeline he will be on for 4 days at the end of June...yes he asked twice for immunity but he didn't get it... I m not even sure if he can change his mind at the last second like that top lawyer ( working very closely with Paula Vennells) who is now in Australia and has refused to appear even remotely to the inquiry
the burger van talks about postmasters as if shes their friend she was the one sending them to prison
good bit from 1:24
Who the f does vennels think she's talking to
@@karenmccarthy368 She's a christian. She regards others as the little people. Religious criminals are always the worst.
This must be the most coughy video I have ever listened to.
Could PO systems be remotely accessed?
Cough.
No
The second batch of dare I say it the most untrustworthy representatives of the Post Office and the main culprit of why this has been caused over 25 years and has been vigourously promoted by the Post Office how they are able to defend themselves and put these to experts witnesses whatever you wanna call when in fact they have lied to the government in respect and have been shown to be untrustworthy so now we're going to be put to all this to listen to them defending themselves in public adding to the cover-up
is he trying to say that the system is still robust is now coming out with figures that show that it works properly and that many many Post Office workers were responsible for the discrepancies and should've paid back and he is supposed to be defending the Post Office workers but it sounds like he'sa sheep in wool clothing by defending the Post Office or in conjunction with Horizon
people like Alan Bates who have been wrong out to drive because of this and now being able to show what they've been through for 25 years you've got people on this table are still defending the system as if they shouldn't have had their conviction squashed they shouldn't have been made out to be some sort of heroes now for the public when in fact everything is looking in the opposite direction these three people on this table who are now defending horizon and saying 2000 terminals in the country in the 50th but still showing whatever they're trying to say are they trying to put a screen up to prevent further action taken through Jitsu to get our money back against the Post Office for the money they've taken and news for profitsfor Post Office workers relied to the government of the meetings in the last 25 years and facing questions of Chelsea be subjected to why are they still defending the system which has been improved by that is caused problems for these poor people and consequently kill people
I like Zahawi!!!
what a load of bull
George Thomson lost nearly all the union subscriptions, evil bloke, watch his part in june 2024 inquiry
who is coughing so hard?
Who wants to be a millionaire scam, comes to mind, as tis a very loud cough 🙄😏
These MP's are useless!
Slimy
is this Horizon expert at the beginning still defending this appalling system which is created this problem over 25 years not last week 25 years culminating in suicides house repossessions and money happens to be paid back which she didn't have to hope I watched the rest of this without feeling is this as the defence of horizonwhat are they now trying to get Fujitsu out of the lime light
One by one each individual facet of this horizon product and now beginning to scream the way out of it and say it was not us we didn't know about it but we didn't do this just leave the Post Office workers who eventually took their own lives charge with misconduct of misappropriation of funds having to pay back money that he didn't have to whatever he would like to call there has been a problem for 25 years the only people who have seemingly been put up as scapegoats for this other postmasters and mistresses when are they going to warm up so we didn't make a mistake that we did do this we did do that and this time which of you want to pay back into the system for what we take ourselves and what we used for No but the Post Officenot what the Post Office workers done they are talking about that as if they have been convicted and been treated convicted it's hard to watch
One by one each individual facet of this horizon product and now beginning to scream the way out of it and say it was not us we didn't know about it but we didn't do this just leave the Post Office workers who eventually took their own lives charge with misconduct of misappropriation of funds having to pay back money that he didn't have to whatever he would like to call there has been a problem for 25 years the only people who have seemingly been put up as scapegoats for this other postmasters and mistresses when are they going to warm up so we didn't make a mistake that we did do this we did do that and this time which of you want to pay back into the system for what we take ourselves and what we used for No but the Post Officenot what the Post Office workers done they are talking about that as if they have been convicted and been treated convicted