How to Design a PERMACULTURE NEIGHBORHOOD
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Permaculture instructor Andrew Millison presents on designing a permaculture neighborhood.
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This should be common knowledge for all city planners, architects, and especially government - amazing concept!
I've seen city planners attempt to implement permie concepts. They failed to make the paradigm shift.
It can turn out expensive to make and maintain, be a design failure (one was physically dangerous!) and in need of further change.
Always do oversight as much as you can on your local government.
People spend money on poison and crap they don't need everyday.
Don't blame laziness for poor budgeting.
Governments are not going to do anything for you, it's up to people to want better and get up to start doing for themselves.
And neighbors
@@MrSaint3
Think working with one's neighbors is great. It builds relationships. Fosters caring. Builds resiliency. It's really smart.
I try to work with my neighbors. Every bit counts.
Well first this concept has to be made with taller buildings. Detached houses are highly unefficient since they waste too much space. And second, if you want to take it to the next step then you would need to incorporate a design that includes the well-being of humans, plants and animals on an equal level and not just design for humans
Add universal solar panels for electricity, biogas harvesting from blackwater, greywater collection, and community composting and you have a modern version of an ancient city.
solar panels are not regenerative or sustainable, so don't add it to a perma desing. And in permaculture there is no blackwater either, it's compost toilet. But otherwise I'd be interested about this biogas option, can you share a link about the subject? Thank you!
These are good points. People forget that centralization IS more efficient than everyone doing their own thing. It is however not as resilient nor "free".
Following your question would it be better for 20 homes to have 20 black/grey collection systems OR have one local but centralized system? Is it better to have 20 solar systems along with the associated cost and maintenance OR to have 1 system that can be maintained and monitored expertly.
@@DensityMatrix1 You should read the book "tribe" by Sebastian yunger.
What you kinda described is a tribal situation 🙏 it's our true way of organising ourselves.
This video is also kinda presenting a "transition town" it's a movement connecting with permaculture, Jem Bendell and prof rupert read talk about it. It will be nessesary if we are to "transition" to tribal like societies and avoid total civilisation collapse, many tribal societies were already practicing permaculture methods and principles before we even called it permaculture, for example the 3 sisters. 🙏
@@ginak5715
They do add to personal resiliency which is an important concept in permaculture.
@@DensityMatrix1
A lot of that depends on your neighbors...
I was about to comment the inefficient road placement right before you optimise it. We are moving to community carpooling which is way more efficient than everyone holding personal vehicles and save garage space makes a great sense. Here in Brazil, most territory is between tropics so I think adapt this format to a more "square like" homes may be more efficient to save energy.
community carpooling sure sounds like a bus
The best house shape for you might be circular.
The Indian bungalow with breezes going underneath?
That with white roofs and heat escapes on the top of walls (heat rises) sounds wonderful for your area.
@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 Well, a bus mainly helps if there is only a single place the whole community needs to go. Or if there is a certain regular path people need to take. In many cases that makes a lot of sense.
Getting a decent bus line is something that basically any decently sized town could benefit from.
But, using a bunch of cars carpooling for mass transport is pretty inefficient. It is better when it comes to land use because then you don't need a separate garage/driveway for everyone. although, it things are too centralized then things can get expensive and impractical again.
For a bit, I lived in a tiny town that did a decent chunk of carpooling for grocery trips and such. Since the closest thing to an actual grocery in town was a dollar general.
In your first drawing you draw solar panels on the roofs. If those building had gable roofs instead of the hip roofs you drew, you would have more area oriented to the sun. Also, the gable end provides a place to install a vent fan to keep the interior cool.
Shed roofs would allow even more.
Intelligence and information. 2 key concepts so underutilized...
My hometown ordered a traffic management study. Mainly how to re-setup street directions to get rid of permanent bottlenecks. When the study was done they said: "What does this people know about out town if they don't live here?".
That was ~20 years ago. The epitome of stupid management.
The way u teach visually is amazing from the drawings to the cool sandbox demonstrations great job keep up the good work
grow gardens not lawns
i literally have been drawing this design from seeing an ocean front in South Carolina!
"There's double the amount of roads that their needs to be." When you eliminate those roads and put in a food forest directly south of those gardens, those trees can shade out the gardens. It could work with dwarf trees, but larger trees would shade out much of the garden, and potentiality solar panels.
i would assume the garden is not to scale and the property is much longer on the east and west facing sides.
@@BlackSabbath1989 Point taken that it's not to scale. But full size trees can grow to be 50 feet or more. Around the equinox that means the shadows stretch 50 feet or more. Longer before and after the equinox. That is a lot of garden space lost. Most current urban yards are not much longer than 50 feet. At best you get 50 ft in the front and 50 ft in the back. If the home is 2 stories and 30 feet tall, between the shadow from the food forest and the home, you don't get a lot of full sun for annuals. You could make this work with full size trees, but it would take more space.
@@ronk4073 yeah better to prone those trees, harvesting fruits 50 feet in the air is not so much fun either...
@@ronk4073 fruit trees don't get that big, ever.... you're thinking of nut trees or sap trees, which would be in far lesser numbers that that of genuine fruit trees
@@facelessdrone Yeah, I was thinking of nut trees. But full size apples can go well over 30 feet. I had a very old full size apple in my yard that was well over 30 ft. Not sure how tall, but taller than my 30+ ft house, perhaps 40 ft. I believe pears can get as large as apples. I think there are some tropical and semi-tropical fruit trees that get a lot taller than that, but I'm not as familiar with them. Also, paw paws are typically 20 ft, but can top out at 30 to 40 ft.
This is one of the most important videos on this topic. Thank you.
Maybe you are designing this for those dense suburbs, but you are missing out by not having a Garage. Garages are great work places (if your home isn't already large) as well as another collector structure for rain water and solar. Garages are also great for vehicles in winter, if you've ever lived through one. Suburb roads need to be plowed after all, which means no street parking.
No garage means no personal cars which means less roads less cars less pollution and yes the roads need to be plowed but that’s the same as now and to replace a garage you can just have a basement and use the “garage space” as home space driving the value up of the property 3x win
I'm with you. A large, secure, open, non-climate-controlled space is supremely useful and enjoyable.
Understandable but also many countries don't have garages and they get by all the same. Maybe some houses could have garages while keeping these design points in mind or maybe you'll just have to choose what you'd rather have.
Community garages you can book?
Garage/workshop! Yes! And maybe the drawings of the houses were so close together for demo, but I would despise having to only have to look at my neighbors windows east and west or worse, huge tanks! Space the houses out so there is a tree or bit of garden between, then you have a decent design.
Interesting ideas, and I agree with the basic concepts of the video, but this design leaves out crucial elements needed for a healthy neighborhood and treats it somewhat as a isolated system, to the point that many modifications would be needed as time went on to make it more sustainable and efficient.
First I feel like it was implied that those habitations are for single families, which is not a very sustainable way to house people (in many cases) and far from viable for the vast majority of places and populations. Maybe the intent of the video was to just deal with this specific case, but the fact that many places face population pressure and most people live in urban areas, makes it almost obligatory to include some sustainable solutions for denser habitation in a video about neighborhood design.
Then, if you start putting more people in this system, comes the question of how would it deal with bigger demands for water , food , energy and waste management. Also how would it accomodate other land uses besides housing, like commerce and services, other workplaces, storage etc which the local population would need nearby. This also makes necessary a mixed use of the land, in order to increase sustainability and quality of life.
And finally, that all necessitates to include some solutions for mass transit in the design, because every place is necessarily connected to other places far and near, and people would need and want to go there. If the objective is sustainablity and quality of life, cars should receive the least amount of space possible, and other ways of thansportation should be intimately integrated with the neighborhood. How would it accomodate trains, trams, subways, buses etc?
Of course, maybe all that is outside the scope of the video, which is okay. But some consideration should be given to these and other elements, or else we are left with a platonic ideal of a neighborhood design, appliable only in rare cases in the real world. Having said that, I really enjoy your content, and it gives me inspiration for where and how I'm gonna live my life in the future, thank you for your work!
PS: This made me realize that the intersection of permaculture and urbanism is a still little explored vast well of techniques, solutions and design possibilities. If people from both fields worked more together, the advancements would be tremendous.
Amazing ideas 💡 thank you so much
I like some of the ideas presented. However living in the northern hemisphere with a lot of snow I can say with some confidence that this design would not work here. Driveways and garages are absolutely necessary. In the winter months it is illegal to park in the street because the snow plow's need to be able to clear the roads of snow to allow for free movement and emergency vehicle access. Garages keep the snow and ice off your car / truck and allow you to do maintenance in relative comfort. I couldn't imagine needing to change a tire or work under the car in one of the many blizzards we get here. One day energy efficient technology permitting I think heated roads / sidewalks that could melt the snow / ice and drain the water into the proposed cisterns may solve that issue.
Lol New housing developments here in Melbourne are all on small blocks with absolutely no front or back yard while still keeping astronomical costs. :D
In your dream world no one fixes their own cars in their garage, and they get ticketed if they have Friends over. I get the principle. But I am so glad we have people that think of beauty and other important things. Also I have a garden that is tiny and yet it’s more than I can handle. Not everyone is a farmer.
No, in my dream world, everybody doesn't need to have their own car.
Looks like it could be a HOA nightmare if the community gets too big. It's quite nice though. As long as everyone subscribes to the underlying principles, it's great.
@Jamie in that case the design with central gardens would be best. Then the members most interested in gardening can manage the whole space. Personally, I think every person should grow a few vegetables. For me gardening was the gateway to caring about the health of the earth.
how can we deal with road microparticles - tire and brake dust, soot, etc, that are an inevitable consequence of motor traffic?
My only contention with this concept is that it assumes non-homogeneous people groups would be able to live this closely and share the same food sources and spaces. It is efficient, beautiful, functional... and impractical. It is also highly socialized. The average person seeks their own best self interest and that of their kin first. It is difficult to combat human nature. Also, it doesn't take into account personal differences in life-style preferences. My "car house" is actually my gym. My cars go in the drive way. And while it might be cute to point out that we could park on the side of the road, you would need to double the width of the roads so that cars can weave between all the cars that are now on the roads. Additionally, much of this takes a great deal of technical knowledge. In a community this tight, even 10% of the populace mishandling their "waste" could have catastrophic consequences for the entire population.
i don't know about roadways (assuming cars and other pollutants on them) being designed to direct water into that pond (@ 7:20), but otherwise good video!
Im thinking that if you work with a game designer to make a sim game of these concepts, people will automagically design this in the real world
Fun ideas! If only I had the money :)
Awesome
Thanks for sharing what you learned with us!
nice ideas. thanks
Most welcome 😊 Thanks for watching!
The final arrangement, with houses circling a common green space, is actually how almost all medieval villages were built in England - the origin of the term "village green". We see this design continue today in such things as University quads. The modern, monoculture lawn came about because English aristocrats manipulated the law to seize these lands for themselves and their own pleasure, building fences around the countryside in the process. It was a status symbol - by having land dedicated to useless grass, you told the world "I'm wealthy enough to waste this land, instead of using it for food production". A monstrous practice that has since become a part of our established land usage. To this day we all suffer for the sake of the greed of the elite from generations passed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn#The_English_lawn
People need garages in cold climates. Especially disabled people who can not shovel snow. Also, people need a bit more space. We need larger yard areas for families to play together in, for out door living and exercise space. Not everybody wants to share that space so that needs to be factored in. Also with the water towers between homes you need more space between again because people need room, but also with water tanks you need to be able to inspect them all around and often for leaks that can destroy foundations. Great ideas, they just need to factor in happy human behavior.
see, the problem with these designs, is that they're thinking in single family homes, which just isn't sustainable economically for a town. The amenities cost too much. They also just take up a lot of space, space which could be used for more housing, more farming, more wildlife.
However, if you could modify these to fit apartment blocks, I think you're on the track of something great.
The idea of creating permaculture habitats is realy good, but the neighborhood part is more criticable. This kind of city constructions are not very effective when it come to usability by peoples. Perharps redisign this kind of of systemes but with taking in account a more european city vision and so with police station, firemans, markets and health system more included in it
A wonderfully insightful presentation, yet again! I'd love to see you do another presentation on RETROFITTING existing neighborhoods that were badly designed (like most of them).
From a design perspective, this is awesome. The amount of efficiency and synergy baked into this is great. The problem is finding enough people, who are all interested in the lifestyle caveats that would come with this style of building, and are all looking to buy a home in the same place.
Granted, you can incorporate most of these principles on an individual plot basis anyways, but nonetheless the benefits of all that synergy is lost because to find enough people interested in order to scale it seems unlikely
A way to solve that problem is to rent out or not own the land around the house which is used for growing food by having a private company manage it.
@@andrewd3005 at that point why not just build the farms somewhere they can be operated en mass, like a field
@@kawaiidere1023 exactly lol, i like learning about this sort of thing for my own purposes but its very clear that this cannot compete economically with industrialized farming techniques from two points
1) The people who do this stuff are largely already rich
2) Those who do this stuff and aren't rich before getting into it all say "they manage to get by"
With intense land management you can get more food/nutrition yields per acre, but then you have to consider how many more people are necessary to work that land, and it turns out those people have to be willing to accept a standard of living (note, I didn't say quality of life) than industrial farmers, this is presumably why you see these techniques being applied primarily in less developed countries, where industrial farming isn't the standard anyways because there's plenty of people and little capital.
We have more than enough space capable of producing food already, this sort of technology helps us produce more and better food in places that would be otherwise unproductive. With the increase in desertification and droughts, these techniques will have to start to be adopted in more places however.
I would also like to see how the swales/ponds produced by permaculture setting impact water flow further downstream - and how mass scale adoption would impact a river, like say the Colorado. A lot of these techniques are using water resources in one place while not considering for it elsewhere later on, now what makes more sense to me is to use the same amount of water resources more times in areas that are drought stricken anyways, and not have to wait for more water resources to arrive, then again, to properly build out the infrastructure is probably ridiculously expensive for that too
no problem at all.....count me in plus 12 friends with families and at least 20 other poeple I know
@@kawaiidere1023 there are advantages to growing it in town. Easier to harvest for residents while picking what u need at the time resulting in less waste and healthier ppl. Also, in town can avoid a lot of toxic chemicals and gmo pollination that can be quite hard to do in certain areas like where I live in the Midwest. Plus there are a lot of ppl that own property while only utilizing for growing grass, that also don't want to live in a condo or apartment. With less grass especially In certain areas, i.e middle class and above, there is also less toxin usage as those lush green only grass lawns require a lot of harmful bs to maintain. This setup would also give more opportunities to kids, young adults, lowered skilled, and less well off ppl to contribute to the community, work, learn and develop life long skills. I.e the kid in the hood, kid/ppl, or any impoverished area could work yards in their community, get fresh clean organic nutrition packed food while learning how to grow, harvest, compost, sell, market, and build relations with out the need for transit or even leaving their neighborhood except maybe to sell depending on how thats set up.
I’m very excited to be working with a design client on a full community design. We need permaculture development and redevelopment!
Where and when will your design be implemented??
One issue I have with the collection of run off water from roads is, especially in colder climates, the fact that during winter a bunch of salt is dumped on the roads. Does anyone know how these salinity levels effect plants?
Horibly they just die. Great example is carthage after Rome Burn it and use Salt so nothing will grow.
@@TheRydz11 Depends on the concentration too. In high school, we had a big problem with gas growing where we didn't want it on the baseball field. We tried digging it out, grass killer spray, salt, etc and had no success.
I wonder if we could design roads that do not need this salt.
Otherwise we just use salt plants.
a lot of places ban salting roads
Plants don't like too much salt, but the salting of carthage is a myth.
Also many places try to just use sand for keeping winter roads safe to drive on and reserve salt for truly bad weather and important roads. (And at very cold temps salt stops working anyway)
Garage is a must have especially in winter where roads need to be clear to remove snow/trees that fell/clean the sidelines.
In Vedic architecture, the five elements of nature are considered and vastu is used to improve mental and physical body of the humans inconcert with nature.
That sounds interesting! How would you add to Andrew's design to fulfill Vedic architecture?
@@jenniferspring8741 as per vastu, the central space has to be left for the air ventilation and light to move around called as bramha space which helps in increasing flow of air water and light.
@@jenniferspring8741 there is ABUNDANT literature relating to Vastu Shastra similar to fengshui of China available on internet. Also, you can see and search for traditional Indian homes for more info on the above
As a young architect with an interest in permaculture (wrote my architecture thesis and designed a community center on the topic), I hope to change my own lifestyle and help others do the same. I just need to get my license and build the skills. Your videos are really great at explaining the topic, and I wish that I had found this channel a year ago.
Thats so cool!
I am studying landscape architecture right now and my plan is to eventually incorporate permaculture principles into my designs wherever they may be. There are simply more avenues to affect change in the world going the "normal" route of becoming a licensed architect/landscape architect and THEN implementing permaculture principles than by simply being a permaculture designer, at least in my mind.
Super cool to see someone else who is doing something similar.
That is awesome!! I am in the design world (specification sales) and no one knows about permaculture or practices it here. Its stunning. These principles should be integrated into all designed spaces. So happy to hear you are starting it off that way!!! Change the world!!
Great video. Thanks! I'm creating an 8-acre eco-village campground in Ecuador that will encompass a permaculture neighborhood design similar to what you've demonstrated. To make it a bit more complicated to address the needs of the campground park, here are some elements to incorporate. It will be a campground with full hook up RV sites, cabins, and area(s) for tents. I hope to direct all blackwater to a central biodigester where methane will be used for kitchen cooking - indoor and outdoor. So, once the location is mapped using a drone resulting in an accurate contour map and that is further used to make a Keyline design, I can determine where the ponds and roads will go - and the sites - then the central biogesting and methane production location can be determined. I am in the process of acquiring the property. Once done, I will get the contour maps of the 8 acres for further design work. If you know of anyone who knows about keyline design, biodigesters, installing septic pipelines, and other related matters, please let me know. I will have funds to hire such a person.
regrarians know a bit about these things i think
Very interesting, would like to hear more about that
@@amarumipeopel214 Thanks for your response. Are you someone with the ability to do any of the planning design, ala Keyline and Septic/Biodigester design?
If you haven’t watched Geoff Lawton’s videos, I highly recommend you do so. Also you could contact him or his site for help in finding people who might want to use your project as a hands on learning class and people who are experienced could help design the site.
Funny you should post this video because I was thinking of reaching out to a local “developer“ and pitching the idea of eco-Apartments, but I didn’t think to add edible plants into the mix. This is fascinating! The concept of all the backyards facing south is a great idea, the only problem I have with it is I don’t like the idea of a large community garden, because it doesn’t take human nature into account. I don’t want some “Karen- type” telling me that I can’t plant bamboo and because it’s community land going and ripping it out.
Hose Karen down and tell her to mind her own business
@@johnransom1146 LMAO 🤣
I think in systems like this you would have an 80/20 split. 80% of the food grown in community gardens where everyone help, then each daily has their personal garden for growing things they like that aren’t in the community.
I find 'garages' are more than 'car houses'. They are hard working adjuncts. The garage is where I keep my garden implements and large canners so they last longer and remain mine. They store work tools so my vehicles are lighter during my commute. The garage also serves as a comfortable place to process veggies for winter preservation and ferments. I keep my freezer there along with a minimally heated, insulated food storage room. The crocks are cooler in the garage than the porch, house or carport. Fermenting smells are out of the house. Animals and insects remain off my crocks here while they transform.
The garage keeps my bike safe from nicking. I have room for project expansion. It conserves my work energy to leave the project out instead of being forced to put everything away nightly.
My garage also gives me a place where I can get in and out of my car *safely* without slipping on the wet or sometimes mildly snowy pathways of my temperate region. This can be especially important for the disabled and the elderly. The vehicle avoids damage from frost and snow removal efforts, including snow plows.
Well-made garages protect from overnight rodent damage to wiring a recurring issue in some areas.
My neighbors lacked a porch so they would open their garage door, and sit in lawn chairs protected from the breezes and watch and visit with passersby. --A garage even adds to social connection, who knew!
Garages are the modern day suburban barn and workhorse to our self sufficiency and resiliency efforts. Narrow reasoning is increasing the distance between the haves and the have-nots, subtly taxing the environment in ignored ways. The one-(small) size-fits-all mantra drummed into the heads of students is poor logic. Assess the true purpose and usefulness before making denigrating epithets...
Think your neighborhood at 6:44 is oriented wrong. It messes with the homes' solar aspects.
AND BABY JESUS WAS BORN IN A GARAGE!!! How dare you denigrate the sanctity of my car room Andrew. ua-cam.com/video/HaoySOGlZ_U/v-deo.html
@@tray2637
Using mockery reflects badly on you, and your strawman argument.
Think Andrew would be insulted, even...
@@b_uppy When are people going to think of the "sometimes snowy pathways" ua-cam.com/video/NZNHUzPzGMY/v-deo.html
@@tray2637
When they've happened for one. I do. It is a concern for elderly and disabled people also.
@@b_uppy lol. Is this what it has come to for the far right? Bad mouthing permaculture videos on youtube. Or did you have nothing better to do while you wait for the horse dewomer to kick in?
I love these new designs, & I'd like to see fewer new developments & more retrofits. I've dreamt about the many backyard fences already in existence being retrofitted for a rotating neighborhood grazing herd. This would take cooperation amongst the community, & that's a challenge.
Road runoff contains brake dust antifreeze gasoline rubber you do not want that in anyting
Woody perennial species (like trees) bind pollutants up in their tissues. Road runoff has to go somewhere...
If it doesn't go into a basin next to the road it will just end up in a river.
@@williamhad maybe if electric cars have a lot less... We can only hope..regenerative braking probably reduce his brake dust no oil no gas no antifreeze I don't think
@@amillison yes my cattails pull Mercury out of the and other plants extract lithium...
@@Interglacial_optimist there's been lots of studies on this shit. But I bet you know better...
Garages are great spaces for working on equipment, like say, farm equipment. They're not just car houses, they are work spaces.
Then get a shed....
@@gustavohopkins242 It's the same thing, except if it's attached you can easily warm it up for working in the winter. Literally ANYONE who's had to fix a vehicle in the winter will agree with me. It's all good and well to design a utopian future where you decide what people need and don't need, but people can asses their needs better than others that's just a fact. Im all for building with nature but if it doesn't fit people into the equation it's no better than the old equation that was ONLY concerned with housing people and not nature. Balance my dude that's what we're talking about here. I live in a tiny home under 300 square feet. Trust me. I need a garage. The fact that I won't be heating or cooling it 90% of the year, will offset it's foot space, and combined with my house I'm still taking up less space than your average fug.
@@shawnp8628 then by all means get a garage instead of the front garden or whatever. The whole point was for him to challenge the idea that the average person needs a garage.
You might work in it but the majority of people dont work on thier own car more then a simple oil change or filter change. Is it then justified to make garages the norm just to pile peoples excess stuff, because let's be honest you see most peoples garages and its not an organized workspace, its boxes of crap to the roof. Furthermore how many more people work enough in thier garages during cold winters to need it constantly heated. If they only did work a couple hours in per couple months, then it would be cheaper to heat it per that day rather then constantly.
Lastly if we get to a point where we are building permaculture communities, then we will start applying permaculture principles to society as a whole. In this term that means more efficient public transportation or biking, further reducing the amount of cars which then further reduces the actual need for garages.
But even then obviously these communities would be personalized and if that means a garage for you then so be it but I feel the whole point flew over your head
@@gustavohopkins242 ONE. I did say I wouldn't heat or cool it 90% of the time. Secondly, I didn't hear him say anything about customization. I heard him call my garage a "car house". Third what I SEE is lil boxes on the hill side 🎶🎶 lil boxes made of ticky tacky, and they all look just the same. 🎶🎶 Lastly I think maybe MY points have gone over your head as you still fail to acknowledge that farm equipment also needs repaired. Where will that happen? I had an idea for a community garage and shared tools, buttttt you'd still need at least ONE garage per neighborhood. Did it go over your head that we're talking about sustainability? How is it sustainable to not fix things? How is it you get the concept of growing your own food, but not the concept of repairing equipment that aids in that endeavor? Seems to me they would go hand and hand, and yet no mention of a space to do that except to sarcastically call them "car houses". Cuz that's clever. I don't care for dining rooms, I find them pointless. A room that's heated and cooled the whole year when most people only use them for Christmas and Thanksgiving. Even still I would NEVER presume to tell others that they don't need them and call them "Holiday Rooms". If they think they need them they should have them, because if the plan doesn't take into account human needs, than as I said before, its no better than the old plan that didn't take nature into account. Balance.
You know there is the option of designing a metropolitan area that doesn't necessitate the use of cars...
This needs to be taught at schools
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How would that benefit government indoctrination facilities?
In Australia, most houses are West East oriented which is the worst direction.
I am convinced they do this purposely so we use more power. They cant be this stupid.
I love you. My dream is to create a permaculture neighborhood
you are lacking any way to store the equipment for those gardens. I know we don't need garages for the cars but we at least need a shed and maybe a greenhouse for starts. but i like your idea
I'm going to impose two requirements on your designs: 1. Every house must have an attached two car garage. NOBODY is going to buy a house in which they park on a street, walk at night through a food forest carrying their suitcase and shopping to their house. You just aren't planning around the humans foremost.
2. Every house must have enough dedicated sun-facing roof space to enable solar charging of the house plus electric cars. The owners don't have to have two cars, but they need usable, SECURE, non-heated space to work and store possessions.
These guys always assume no crime, no differences between people, no needs beyond what they want. It's almost communist, and I wouldn't doubt they could subscribe to that. The underlying concepts are ok for some areas, I'd really appreciate if people who don't need empty grass zones could just have a fairly natural permaculture, but it's too much to ask.
Sorry, but this is bloody dumb. Humans thrived because we specialized. The vast majority of people aren't going to be "community farmers" unless you threaten them with a gun and even then, they'll be horribly inefficient at it. This is the Polpot school of city planning with entirely predictable consequences. If you really don't want to let the market decide and insist on going all central planning, then at least make smart decisions. Throw all those people in a single apartment building. Then add 3 more and throw a common area in between for kids to play, people to grill and a hobby garden. Put the parking lot in the basement. There, now I'm housing 4 times as many people with more efficient heating/cooling and less space. For all the saved space, we can have things like parks, forests, professional farming, windmills/solar panels etc.
Exactly, the communist-style buildings of eastern europe were actually really efficient at getting people housing - it sucked ass and was small, but people were housed extremely efficiently
this seems like a combination of inefficiencies
Congratulations. You designed a neighborhood inaccessible to people with ANY MOBILITY ISSUE.
How is that useful? Hell, it might not be lawful in the U.S.
just to add to this. if you had the water storage containers be able to pump some of the water into a container in the roof of your building you could use it to flush your toilet. also you could have another tank that could be hooked up to your solar panels to slowly heat it up so you can have hot showers. this is a great way to save energy and water.
Instead of using flush toilets, you could use composting toilets. They recycle nutrients back into your garden, are far cheaper, and smell nicer since they do not mix human wastes which is what causes odorous bacteria to grow. With this system in place you could then use the water roof storage system you suggested for not only showers, but also an automatic watering system.
@@facelessdrone humanure needs to be composted for five years to be safe
The main problem is effort.
1 effort of the home residents.
2. The increase of construction complexity and cost.
climate community could be smart and use our advanced technology and free market capitalism to get around the 2 main issues.
1st Robotic Farming.
2nd Robotic maintenance.
3rd mass timber construction.
4th factory Pre-built housing sections.
5th graphene enriched concrete.
6th Karbon reinforcement Bar.
7th Home Biogas
8th Tesla roof.
I need one that is titled, "How Permaculture Will Overthrow Tyrants". Thx.
The people will have to collectively overthrow and replace them with something much more harmonious.
How would permaculture be possible in a dense business/commercial district of a city? You tackle residential areas pretty well here but most metropolitan areas have heavy foot, vehicle traffic, dense building. How would you reconcile nature & modern architecture in that circumstance?
Great idea, however it's not going to work. Excepting for the first row of houses & the reason is that once you put in trees that will growv taller than the Roof, you will start to shade the Solar panels on your Roof and as your tree grows, possibly the whole block of Neighbours! A ow of Mature Royal Palms, for I.e. can throw Shade up yo a full two blocks as the Sun sets! You can only grow your Mature trees on the South East to South West side of your house in the Southern Hemisphere, reverse for Northern and the can only be tall shrubs like Camelia for e.g. otherwise when the Sun is in the North, North West you will shade your Neighbours Solars. Best to have a Grove of Nut Trees as a Communal Park at the very last Rows' of houses, on everyone's South, East side. Before that have a grasses playground area with low growing Communal Vegie Gardens, Then Row's of Fruit Thees, then the road. This is so the Trees trap the heat from the Solid Surface, and doesn't heat everyone's homes, with reflected heat!
Try parking your car outside at -30°C. You'll regret it forever
Definitely I will use this design in the Paradise to come. Thank you 😊
I absolutely love this idea. thanks. Only part I disagree with is a common garden that people share. Human nature, everyone assumes the other guy is gonna take care of it and no one does. And inevitably people will all fight over the harvest knowing to grab before someone else does. I like this same system but with individuals all playing specific roles and having specific responsibilities. Maybe that is what you meant. Not sure.
That is not true, human beings have been collectively and community farming for hundreds of generations longer than we have not, it is not human nature to neglect and steal, it is capitalistic nature, born form a cycle of abuse and inequality. people raised in such a human centered community, or ones forward thinking enough to live in such a place are far more likely to see the bigger picture, rather than the individual, as capitalism promotes.
@@facelessdrone It’s not community farming I’m against. It’s lack of accountability I am against. Each individual should be held accountable for what they grow and harvest. Or I promise you there will be slackers. If you’ve ever ran a job of any kind you would know what I’m talking about.
@@davedaddy101 there have been systems like that, and they found that there were rarely slackers, and.... so what if there is.... like, communities take care of each other. In your system, Janice the 96 year old, and Fred who struggles to move around the garden in their wheelchair, are expected to do the same amount of work, and the same kind of work as other people who are more able, which is foolish to expect.
Also... gardens are not a ton of work, a single person can care for a space large enough to feed 6-10 other people in around 42 minutes a day on average, 5 hours a week. The average home has 2.5 people in it, so 42 minutes to feed 4 homes, 10 minutes and 15 seconds of work per home, or 4 minutes and 20 seconds per person, its not a ton of work.
I have disabilities that keep me from doing regular work, but, i would totally be down for 5 hours of gardening a week. In fact, thats my life goal, to have a small family farm.
@@athena1491 i’m sure even with your disabilities you put in your fair share of work and bring value to the table in some way Athena. No doubt. Besides, there are always exceptions. But what you’re mentioning is literally the problem the pilgrims faced their first year at Plymouth Rock. A few were doing all of the work. As soon as they switched to a policy of accountability there was enough food to feed 3 times the population. Yes I am taking into consideration senior citizens, children, and people with disabilities. Also taking into consideration that the Native Americans taught them how to farm in year two.
@@davedaddy101 if you didnt like gardening or plants would you move into a permaculture community? Also it seems like dues would simplify this. Cant put in the work, pay a due and the neighborhood uses to get the labor needed for it.
But if you have seen permaculture gardens they are pretty wild. Yeah some maintenance but alot less daily work then a monoculture set up. Like dont harvest something, birds will eat it. Need to control overgrowth let chickens and goats on the land. It becomes a lot more work when you are trying to make a profit off it
The only bit I’m concerned with is, will the water being seeded into the ground from the swales, impact the home foundations over time? What if any steps can be taken to minimize any potential structure issues? Otherwise this is great
I live in an EQ prone area so solid foundations are critical when the earth decides to move
I think it depends on the area you live - precipitation, soil conditions, exact structure of the houses. I think if you share this info, you can get exact answer.
From what I've read, so long as water harvesting basins are more than 10ft away from the foundation and so long as all water drains away from the house(ie house is upslope from the basin) you shouldn't have problems.
The basins are sunken quite a bit and sloped away from the houses, but it would depend on your particular soil type and moisture conditions. The most prominent example of this design that I show in Davis, CA has sandy well drained valley-bottom soils. If you were in a really swampy area with a shallow water table, then you'd need to think about that aspect differently.
@@amillison I have another question about the swales, If they are being fed with water runoff from the road how do you stop contamination? (i.e. motor oil)
A person that has written a lot on the subject is Brad Lancaster. He talks about sloping away excess while harvesting the optimum rainwater. Buy his set of books called Rainwater Harvesting. Really interesting and informative.
why even use full sized suburban streets? just stick with one of those 1.5 lane country style roads where you just slow down a bit to squeeze past then everyone has a small space out front of their house to park. waaaay less space dedicated to roadway and less proper asphalt needed as just a bit of gravel is enough to park a car. it would slow people down driving through as well reducing noise and the danger of accidents. it also gives the occasional open parking spot to turn around so long as the people in the neighborhood aren't all karens.
this is great for retrofitting existing suburbs but i think we could do a lot better if we started from scratch
Ignoring 'established' allows for huge amounts of waste. 'From scratch' neighborhoods use a lot of resources. In-fill has speed saves effort and energy in its set up--all pluses. 'Established' neighborhoods are easily appropriated converting the hardscaped resources to permaculture. They create unique opportunities that teach and inform other projects. *Think* of how Brad Lancaster created curb cuts to harvest water before it escaped to drains, then think of what you can do locally...
@@b_uppy they are not saying to start building vastly more neighborhoods, but to instead create every single new neighborhood that is ALREADY going to be built, into a permaculture one, neighborhoods are going to be built either way, id rather have one done with less resources spent and at a higher living standard(permaculture) than one that uses vastly more resources, is ugly, is far more expensive to maintain, and creates a lower standard of living. When we do start to build new neighborhoods with permaculture in mind, it will be easier for others within a town or city to see the immense benefit of such a system and want to "retrofit" their neighborhood in a similar way.
@@facelessdrone
You are reading a lot into his comment that isn't there. Additionally building all neighborhoods as permaculture ones suggest government enforcement and regulation. Governments usually take a broad club where finesse would do much better. Permaculture is about finesse and thinking. Government is not a thinking entity, bureaucracy proves that over and over.
Permaculture is a beautiful thing. Let it breath.
What if you don't like neighbors?
Gardens can’t be on the north side of a food forest unless the plants are shade tolerant. Food plants rarely are.
How do you sell this to folks who live in snowy/icy climates if you don't have coverage for their cars?
It's pretty and works on the west coast, but to get widespread adoption this needs to account for personal autos
I also appreciate comments i saw elsewhere about livestock. How do animals and land management work into this model? I think the water tank placement also needs to be reconsidered.
What I do like that you've done here is try to permaculture-ize the suburban model of a neighborhood. I think there's a lot of greatness in that. But suburbs need garages.
@@nathanaelcard the problem is, while this considers optimizing land use, it fails to consider things people actually care about
maintenance - none of this is any good for anyone who isn't a gardener/doesn't have time to be a gardener
smells - rotting fruit, compost, etc. The things associated with agricultural production smell bad, people don't want where they live to smell bad
These houses will cost more for the size and their bills will be marginally less - they will smell bad and require extra labor from residents to function. If you had a job requiring 8 hours of labour a day + an hour and a half for commute both ways + 30 minutes lunch you have 14 hours a day left. 8 hours for sleep and you have 6 left. Getting ready in the morning minimum 30 minutes. Same in the evening. 5 hours left. Eating: 4 hours left.
That's 4 hours a day left for taking care of everything in the house to hobbies, self-improvement, taking kids to extracurriculars etc. If gardening is your hobby, this works. If you don't like gardening well then youre shit out of luck.
Yea so, you're mostly correct but you are missing some of the basic interdisciplinary principles of permacultural/low impact design (LID) and environmental planning.
house spacing should be narrow frontage and deep, this provides increased population density and economic return on infrastructural costs as well as a more walkable neighbourhood. This also serves to decrease environmental impact per capita and improves biodiversity by elongating green fringe zones, improving impermeable to permeable surface area ratios, places more of your yard space further from the heat of the road, reduces energy costs to buildings I.E shade from adjacent structures and reduces southern exposure as per your suggested alignment. However..
Orientation also should not be based on compass points. I'll skip how local watersheds should be accounted for. The road grid should be largely determined based on 2 principles, access for transit maximizing permeability of human movement into/out of adjacent areas and to the existing topography of the area to utilize natural drainage and minimize the amount of bulldozing.
Quick aside - the bulldozing of agricultural land for developments involves stripping all topsoil into large piles where it then dies and looses what little viability it had, brutal compaction of sub soils leading to much higher rates of foundational failures in structures from water.
The two aforementioned principles encourage diverse design and environmental diversity over cookie cutter solutions this in turn favours property owners as individuals over big developers and banks.
Keep up the good thinking!
Very cool. Great information 👍🏾👍🏾
That’s great, how would you modify it for southwest where it’s too hot and dry to grow in the sun?
Hi! I just tumbled upon this channel... THIS NEEDS TO BE KNOWN! What a genius!
Just too much common sense that many will find a drumbeat of grievances with.
How to change minds and more importantly zoning?
Make sure they've gotten the paradigm shift, firstly. Government can screw it up worse and with a bigger budget. You'll need to form a group to do oversight. A great start might be to direct them to someone like Brad Lancaster and his books.
@@b_uppy I fully agree with Brad's work in his neighborhood of Dunbar-Springs of Tucson. The educational signage, curb cuts, basins and tree canopies all fit the need going forward.
But when you walk that street/neighborhood many would consider it overgrown or even messy. If you are not there take a Google street view.
I agree but most two car garage beige culdasac homeowners would not.
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The pictures look great. I find it looks like welcome respite to the harsh environment of what it was.
I think the reason people reject permaculture principles is that they are convinced that it is less efficient or poorly conceptualized. There are plenty environmentalists that scoff at the efficacy of low tech when high tech gets all the advertisement. It's also a problem when notable politicians such as AOC (scoffed at carbon ranching) and Gore (corn ethanol debacle) mess it up.
The role of beauty in permaculture has been underplayed. This video ignored that aspect and that may be another turn off.
You mentioned garages but they have a place, too. They are beyond places to store junk and your fuel guzzling cars. They represent flexible spaces with a moderated climate that can be useful in permaculture settings.
Cars are probably not going anywhere in the US (or Russia as an alternate example) because of it's utility in the vastness of our country. It may be another point of resistance many have to permaculture. Sometimes we need to compromise. The reasons why people opposeare likely more complicated than we expect and we need to help them get to a better understanding as we can.
Have you read Mark Shepard's Restoration Agriculture? Excellent way to transform to carbon farming!
Can you expand this to walkable urban areas?
Fantastic next episode how to fix city parks with this method
I am loving learning about permaculture, but I'd like to understand how these designs support anti-islanding of the various habitat zones or wild areas. You say that this type of design is more in line with nature's water and light, but I'd be interested in how it can also support the larger fauna as well. Thanks for these wonderful lessons and visuals. :)
I believe that by keeping the villages clustered, and only allowing agriculture and forests to exist within a large space around each village, you maximize the potential animal habitats. It is important too, to design corridors for the various species to be able to shift between the areas.
Dude,😖 this is the😳 coolest way to educate & teach something. I😍💛e the huge see thru blackboard!
Hello Andrew, is there an email I can use to contact you? I've got questions about setting up a 5 acre plot using permaculture, agroforestry, regenerative agriculture, and homesteading with the superadobe architecture and I need someone's input on the viability of the system I've brought together.
Hi Jeremiah. You can contact me at amillison@gmail.com . If I can't help then I can refer you to someone who can.
A local shared food forest sounds so amazing... I wish this was the case every where
On Latam is practically dangerous.
Exceptional and inspiritional content like this gives me hope, thank you very much.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, thank you! :)
This is nice, but for cities and large towns where does the stores, factories, and entertainment centers fit in? This seems great for rural communities, but not practical for urban centers without lowering productivity of urban centers by a large amount. Also won’t this case urban centers to be larger? Due to more space needed for trees and agricultural. Won’t that harm and destroy near by habits and wildlife to the urban centers?
Urban centers have its pros and cons. It's a center of economic efficiency. The problems are dealt with by moving the problems out of the immediate area. Hopefully with the increased economic output, part of the profit goes to sustainable processing of waste.
It's quite the opposite of permaculture design which is more about self sufficiency and environment friendly design.
IMO, both have their places.
people sadly like their garages, they make them feel that their vehicles are secure from weather and theft. Maybe having some kind of community garage would be the best of both worlds idk
I like the idea
In cold climates, garages save you from having to scrape snow and ice off your car every time you drive or from idling a car for 10 minutes to defrost it. Garages have many good uses like a sheltered space for woodworking or automotive repair. I wouldn't be able to build things for permaculture without one. A shared shop space on every street could be an alternative since not every house needs one but I wouldn't toss out garages so easily.
@@cupbowlspoonforkknif yeah a shared tool shop doesnt sound like a good idea. Tools are expensive and prone to get stolen and I would not trust some of these to certain neighbors, for their security and the tools's lol
@@elickson7340 shared tool shops exist anyways, there's local clubs you can sign onto for a fee, obviously its ongoing but its still cheaper/more viable than getting big powertools yourself. Obviously caveat is you have to take your stuff there
Thank you for making your hope-filled and informative videos, to whet the appetite of people who want to explore these ideas further
It's my pleasure! Thank you for watching! :)
very informative.. thanks!
HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE MORE VIEWS I’m so confused
I never know which video the algorithm will pick up. Sometimes a video sleeps for a while, then suddenly the views jump up. Based on what? The wanderings of collective human interests? Check out my other videos. I have a bunch with a lot more views than this.
I've had this idea for a long time now, to make just one large building for a lot of people, and instead of everyone having a little plot they won't ever use, cause we all know capitalism and overworking isn't going away, we can have one large garden/food forest/park. maybe even all around it. Parking lots can be designed around trees and pathways, making them more complicated for people who Have to have their car, and including a bus route that drives up to the building and back out. you could even have grocery stores and other commercial on the top middle and bottom floors depending on the size of this building. Common areas inside where things like indoor pools and other things can be built. People would have to give up having their own little garden space where their tiny dog can take a dump, but people would still move in if you make sure it remains affordable and the price isn't jacked up "just cause I can".
now do one for an arid landscape!!
What kind of arid environment? They aren't all the same.
Make sure the angle of the roof is the same angle as ur latitude for maximum solar panel efficiency!
Think you mean to have the panels *adjusted* for latitude. There is also your personal priorities regarding seasonal variances that will figure into their angle of placement.
Highly satisfied that I found your channel and can learn from you. Thanks for posting.
So the passive solar is only on flat land? An oversight i guess but the houses should still orientate correctly
No, it is not. As long as it faces the sun with minimal shading obstacles it should be perfectly fine.
also this is a suburb. i'd rather have a mixed use dense neighbourhood and then a large unmanaged forest, and then cultivated land. this suburban design almost feels like greenwashing
How is this greenwashing?? He is not selling you a product, he is providing ideas and information. Also, unmanaged forests can be very detrimental for the environment, invasive species will pop up and take over, not to mention most forest environments evolved alongside human involvement.(humans are a major part of the ecosystem after all, whether we accept that fact or not.) The most famous example is of certain native american tribes altering and promoting growth of surrounding forests to maximize food production.
@@facelessdrone I mean management in the capitalist sense, the exploitative sense, making a forest profitable, etc. Of course you should remove invasive plants
this but without the cars, I want a car free world
I do not. And neither do most.
Vitruvius rides again. Wonderful. Astronomy and Design. Classic.
I wonder how Andrew has time to make videos he must be fighting off governments from around the world. If I were a bill gates type I'd hand this guy a blank check book in a second. Also his concentrating while drawing face is mad adorable!
Yeah I wish! If governments were so interested in this, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in! I'm still waiting for Bill Gate's billion dollar check :-)
@@amillison Well people just dont want it. we already have community food forests, those are called parks, and they have to remove all the rotten fruits every year because nobody wants them.
@@nox5555 exactly - Seattle implemented food forests and it was a massive failure because they had to hire more people to clean up rotten fruit, nobody wants to live next to a pile of rotting fruits, and you're asking people to do labour at the end of the day, if you rent it out to be managed, then why have it be there at all?
If you have one parent staying at home with kids its fine, but a large reason for our absolute dependence on companies stems from the fact that people have to spend 9-10 hours a day minimum outside of the house, and there simply isn't time for people to manage their properties in our economic system.
I really like seeing your ideas, designs, and reasonings
Glad you like them! Thank you for watching!
Young folks: Do band together now with smart thinking, aka permaculture. Bring back villages, walking-distance to most everything needed, work from home...enjoy the planet. Things are getting crazier and crazier...change now.
your ideas are great
Developers don't care about long term sustainability, they only care about maximizing short term profits. That's why all new subdivisions are full of $500,000 cardboard houses out in a farmer's field with an HOA baked into the deed.
What about public transport, fresh/drinking water supply and multi family housing.
I had been drawing this out in more circle patterns, with common path ways for walking and biking and then circle based driving area on the a outside of a hub. Design each hub like its part of a network, then that work can barter and trade or help each other out as part of a bigger system. Love seeing this outlined so well.
There might be another way if you're familiar with Hilbert curves (great video by 3Blue1Brown on pseudo Hilbert curves) great for connecting spaces.
Awesome video. You just have to convince the rich man that he can profit from it. That’s the only way anything happens in this country. We’re all stuck in the rich man’s game.
What about Mosquitoes? Standing water and storage tanks breed millions of Mosquitoes. How do we avoid that?
The hard part is convincing people to create this. I know a lot of preppers who have their own ideas and they are usually expensive and more difficult than it needs to be… also most counties in every state will block people from doing this. I suppose if you were a gazillionaire, you could bribe city or county officials even after you present all the evidence and wear a Greta shirt and everything and they still turn you down. Then you build it anyways and they come and destroy it like they did to the natives who lived in long houses perfectly fine. I think it’s possible to do this with official cooperation, but the hurdles are huge. I’ve been working with people to do some kind of collective neighborhood on large multi acreage plots, but you often end up with a dictator in the group and you might as well just stick with the Biden admin. I guess this would be best achieved by a developer who can sell off the house plots and then have an Hoa type of thing that handles the shared permaculture area and streets. And hopefully no one ends up killing the Hoa for overriding the wishes of others, regardless of whether the people want stupidity or it’s the Hoa head who prefers the stupid idea. Love it though. This might be something you could do in Mexico or Africa etc… but in the USA and most western countries, good God, they’ve blocked innovation while people are living on streets or you have no choice but to continue contributing to ‘global warming’… It’s sickening to me. Of course you got other problems to deal with when you go to places filled with uneducated racist people and cartel gangsters.
Thank you. Any Suggestions for Perú? Say a neighborhood in a mild rainforest?
Excellent video