Urban Permaculture - a consultation followup 3 years later.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Today we visit a permaculture design from 3 years ago, and see how it's coming along.
I find that often in these design projects, a major goal is what I call "HOA Subterfuge". I.e. putting aesthetics at the forefront of a design. Just because permaculture CAN look wild, doesn't mean that it has to look disorganized. Often, your neighbours don't so much hate "wild look" as much as they just don't want a place to look like neglect. Often, "contained wild" is what you want to go for, as that will be accepted.
Many of my videos are from my own food forest. I live on 4 acres just outside of the suburbs. Often I will get comments from people in more urban/suburban settings about what they can do. I hope today's video gives a glimpse into that, and maybe gives people some ideas on things they can incorporate into their own designs.
Although the neighbourhood here is very Urban, the size of the lot is arguably more suburban. A big thing about living in Suburban areas is how to do the permaculture thing without "upsetting" people who see "normal" as grass and boxwoods.
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Thank you for all the interest in consulting services. Consulting is unfortunately closed for now, due to time constraints on my life at the moment. This was something that I dabbled in during 2019-2021 lockdowns, as I had an abundance of time when I no longer had to spend 20 hours per week driving to my office for my real job (engineering). If the world ever sorts out the creation of a work from home economy and I can get that transportation time back again, or, if this channel gets large enough for me to walk away from my main job, I may reopen consultation. So if you enjoy this content, please spread the word to your social groups, and consider joining us on patreon (link in the video description). Maybe one day I can devote more of my life to helping people out in this way, without sacrificing the financial future of my kids by leaving an engineering job to do gardening. ❤ much love everyone! 😅
/edit: I'm also going to add into here my response to a great comment about the trees near the pool - my specific concern is the mulberry. Hopefully people see this response:
Indeed, I've already contacted them. I filmed this video about a week ago, and if you look at the designs which were included at the beginning of the video, the design had put bushes around the pool for that exact reason.
For the nectarine, I'm a little afraid that having a tree that close to the pool could cause problems, but this one might be okay. In the design, I tried to keep trees about 15 feet away from the pool, for fear of any concrete cracking due to expanding roots over the next 20 years. The nectarine may be okay, as it is semi-dwarfing root stock. I recommended that they keep an eye on this and look for any displaced tiles, and at first sign of anything like that, remove the tree. You won't get any warning for cracking concrete, which is the problem, so looking for any tile displacement may be their only warning. In the original plan we just had fragrant sumacs there, which have softer roots and don't grow very large.
In the video I mentioned something like "growing peaches next to a pool gives a neat aesthetic" and I was borrowing from why I put peaches next to my pond. However, growing a tree into a 2 ton granite boulder and flexible (yet strong/durable) EPDM liner is one thing. Growing it next to brittle inflexible concrete of a pool is very different. It IS still cool to grow a fruit tree there, but cracking concrete with a tree is a very real concern. I'm less concerned about displacing tiles, as I am about cracking the pool concrete. At my childhood house, we had a large maple next to our pool, which cracked our concrete and it was a full summer dig and full pool repair to fix it. Very costly. That maple was 50 feet tall, so definitely a little more force than a dwarf fruit tree, but still, it's best to play it safe.
The Mulberry was the main concern that wasn't sitting right in few days since shooting.
In the plan we had haskaps, gooseberry and bayberry there. Those are all bushes and don't get very large. Mulberry however is a massive tree - likely the largest one that they have, and it can get 50+ feet tall. I actually didn't include a mulberry in this design at all, because they can be a nuisance for dropping fruit on driveways and causing discoloration. I think this is a tree that you want to plant only if you have about 50 feet of "nature" all around it.
I recommended to them that this tree should actually be transplanted this fall into another location. The cedar area that they cleared out next to the neighbours would be the best place for it on their property, but an even better place would be to transplant it to a local park or school, stake it, make it look official.
I recommended replacing that tree with another haskap, or bush cherry, or lilac, as per the plan, or if they wanted to keep some height there, an elderberry - but it should be some kind of bush plant. If they really wanted a tree, it should be a small dwarf fruit tree. A mulberry however is going to rip up the tile work over the years, and could even be an issue for the pool itself over time. A mulberry even 30 feet from a pool could be a problem, just like a willow from even 40 feet away could also.
Great comment. I've already addressed it, but it's good to get confirmation that this was a good set of recommendations.
Yes, I have four mulberries. Two are considered dwarf, maxing out at 15 feet, and the other two are called Gerardi Dwarf, only reaching six feet after ten years, but the fruit is full sized. I contacted the company to see if, even though these were all dwarf, it was a concern to have them out front. They did suggest I transplant them, which I have since done. All survived the move well, and they actually have fruit on them; I am very excited as I've never tasted a mulberry before! They are out back, and the plan is that they will be decoys for the birds to stay out of the blueberries, etc! It has given me a sense of relief to have moved them. Not only is the driveway and sidewalk out front, but so is the septic. It could have been bad, and it was quite easy to move them while small. Now, I'm just hoping that the birds don't eat too many and poop over the pool!
Wow. I put a notice on a local craiglist and got ZERO hits. Guess it's got to do with the area and the people living therein.
Loved this analysis and rethinking process
My friend quit your job and dedicate yourself to what you love …my grandfather used to say that if you do what you love you never work another day in your life….so good luck
Stunning! What a beautiful garden and garden plan. This is definitely one of your videos that I will rewatch probably many times! I am amazed by how quickly the transformation has happened. My food forest is zone 5A in Vermont and is also three years old. My plants are not so far along, but I am loving the lushness that is already present. Most of my food forest is out by the street, and when I'm out there harvesting asparagus or strawberries, people are always so complimentary. I love these conversations with neighbors.
Something I was not expecting was their gratitude. It amazes me how many people will thank me for having done this. Yesterday, a man called me the DaVinci of gardening and said how he loves walking by; every day, something new would catch his eye, and he loved seeing the daily changes. He couldn't get over the fact that it was all edible and yet so beautiful. The day before that, I had a woman pull over who lived up the mountain. I ended up giving her a tour of the entire property and giving her websites where she could order plants and watch videos (Canadian Permaculture Legacy at the top of the list!). She had no idea that so many edibles could be grown in this climate and couldn't wait to get started. (Kiwi, pawpaw, persimmon, oh my!) She wanted to know if I could help her, and I said that I would love that. I feel like I've met so many neighbors that I never would have without the garden. You give a passer-by a few strawberries and you've made a friend for life! I purposely planted herbs at the corner of my driveway and sidewalk, so that people can easily harvest some for their dinner. That, and it's a hot, dry location ideal for them to grow!
I give tours at least once a week it seems to people just driving or walking by. I think it is really important to be a good ambassador and help people realize that they can do this, too. Now that things are growing and filling in, I know that I am making an impact on people far and wide. It's fun to sit on the porch and watch people point or take video as they are driving by. This is a big reason I wanted to place the garden along the street. I knew it would be beautiful and that it might spur others on to grow something more than the lawn they have now. It's like the greatest Ponzi scheme ever! Last winter, a woman I never met sent me a beautiful card, with a note inside saying how my garden is the highlight of her commute and how much she has enjoyed watching it grow. Wow.
People tell me that they never thought about growing asparagus, but since seeing mine, have planted some crowns! Same with using strawberries as a ground cover. Whatever is in season when people see the garden is what they gravitate toward. Right now, the serviceberry hedge is glorious with its multitude of colors. The pinks and blues are almost florescent. The Cedar Waxwings and other birds fly in and out and it is a sight to behold. The daily changes are something to see!
When the quinces, pawpaws and persimmons start producing fruit, I know it will take my breath away. The fall colors will light up those dreary fall days. The red fall color of aronia is prettier than any burning bush ever thought of being and it's not invasive. The winter structure of plants create such a beautiful architecture and the blue shadows cast on snow brighten even the darkest days. In the spring, when the clove currants are blooming alongside the daffodils, it will make the cold and drabness of winter seem like a distant memory.
I particularly love the learning that has occurred and is yet to be realized with all things Permaculture. Just this morning, I was reading up about garlic scapes: what to do with them, how to harvest and preserve them...I have so many interests and hobbies, but I have to say that I have never felt the deep, deep passion that permaculture has evoked. Every day surprises me. Just yesterday, I had a young bunny who hopped right up to my door and peered in at me while taking a break from nibbling some weeds from my stone patio. Eventually, he hopped away and was happily grazing on the white clover I'd planted throughout the lawn. The wildlife has increased and diversified so much that I feel like I'm in a Disney movie; for me that is such a gift. Nature's bounty is so generous if only we give it some room to be.
What a wonderful comment. This just completely echoed my own journey, and WHY I fell head first down the permaculture rabbit hole.
People don't understand just how divorced from this lifestyle I was before I discovered it. When I say that it completely transformed my life, I'm not joking. I'm a completely different person now than I was only 7 years ago even. It has completely changed every aspect of who I am, who I want to be, and how I integrate into my community, and my local ecology.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Keith, I don't know if you've read Braiding Sweetgrass, but it is one of those books that I will take with me for the rest of my life. I am listening to it rather than reading it, and even that way, I find I want to only listen for about an hour or so at a time because I want to think about and digest some of the author's words. A quick example is how she discusses the Native American creation story as compared to the story of Adam and Eve where it implies that nature is other and separate from us. Fascinating and a book to savor!
I love that book! I think I may have a reread after seeing your comment.
This is a beautiful, sensitive post... you made me smile and cry at the same time
I love this. It shows what our world can and should look like if we want to get serious about climate change and food insecurity in our own communities.
The production quality in this video was outstanding for a gardening/permaculture channel. Maybe one of your best. Well, the collapse video was the best you've ever made, but this one is really close. It felt like I was watching a home show, or an episode of cribs, but permaculture.
Thanks Jim! My collapse series is one of my personal favorites as well , just for how important I think the message is. I appreciate that you appreciate them. 🙏
Keith I don’t have adequate words to describe the awesome design you have done. If I could achieve just 10% of the beauty of this I would be happy.
awwww so kind. All credit goes to the client, as they did all the hard work, and maintenance and care to keep it looking so great!
I love all the use of Corten steel, contained wildness and edible landscaping. It'samazing that the garden is only 3 years young! We don't have HOA restrictions in the UK. There are a few Garden Cities that insist you maintain a hedge in front of your property and Tree Preservation Orders on big old trees. But otherwise we are able to grow anything that doesn't block a neighbour's light or damage a foundation/drain/road.
So garden city insists that you have a fedge and a grape trellis tree? That's handy.
Looks amazing bud. A guy tried that in Moncton or maybe Dieppe I think, and got reported to the bylaw officers and was forced to take everything down. Pretty sad. Glad this couple isn't having issues like that.
Yeah I've seen that story, as well as another in New Zealand and a third in Australia. Unfortunately that disincentivises people from doing this, but its only 3 stories out of hundreds of thousands where they don't. So definitely don't let that keep you from trying. What I've found is that all those projects heavily planted out the boulevard right next to the road, and became a video problem for cars. For that exact reason, we went with pollinator groundcovers like creeping flox, as well as a "typical landscaping" plant that people know, Spirea.
Beautiful yard. Very large for a city plot but nicely laid out. I like the fact that there are decorative pollinator plants and food. Great job.
I'm so going to use this video to show others what growing food can look like.💛💛💛
Please do!!! We need to get this message out ❤️
Beautiful! That's goals right there!
That backyard is lit. Seriously gorgeous this inspires me to do the same thing on my property but on a smaller scale. Thanks for sharing.
What a true masterpiece. I'm sure the clients are out there every minute of the summer, I know I would be. The amount of naps I would take...
I walk past this garden every weekend it’s very nice, good job
Oh that's so cool!!!!!!
Great tour! Can't believe the size of the haskap fruit and the fact they were still on the plant. Birds in my hood love eating mine about 2 days before I want to harvest
The ones we ate were literally DOUBLE that size. They were the size of a tomato hornworm, maybe a little shorter. I couldn't believe it.
Absolutely stunning, so jealous with how big your gardens are in Canada. British gardens are like postage stamps in comparison.
I love a good design site follow up :)
Amazing transformation! I love how they have managed to balance the wild look with the beauty of straight lines and different sections. Thanks for sharing, this was very inspiring! ❤️
That thumbnail. This man ages like a fine wine.
LOL I don't know how to handle these kind of comments. Thank you 😄 🤣
Gorgeous Nature!
Hey Keith, long time viewer here. Love your videos, when we found them 2 years ago they were our inspiration for learning more about permaculture and starting our own food forest, so thank you for being our catalyst. I was wondering if you ever do harvest dinners with your yields? I work as a chef and had a concept where you could showcase different guilds by creating dishes with only their components. It's something I hope to do with our food forest when it is more established.
I love this idea!
While I do cook often, my methodology is more "what's in harvest right now, what can I make with it?" and often jamming random things together and seeing what tastes good.
I'd love if you ever watched some of my videos where I discuss plants we grow, and toss together a recipe in a comment, and I could look at the stuff in that list and think of ways to build a functional guild out of it.
I.e. the thing I'm missing here, to do that, is the knowledge of recipes.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy That is an awesome methodology, one that the restaurant I work at strives to follow during the spring/summer/fall in Ontario.
I'll start making a list of plants you mention and I notice in your videos and throw together some recipes! One example off the top of my head would be fried sunchokes with a garlic scape and chive flower aoli, sorrel and apple chutney, topped with sunchoke skin crisps and nasturtium for some nice colour.
Ooooh keep talkin' dirty to me
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy aha ok 1 more for now...breaded and fried day lilies stuffed with a garlic and dill ricotta, served on a salad of fresh greens (possibilities are endless there) with a seabuckthorn and thyme vinaigrette, maybe some fresh berries in the salad as well
I definitely need to experiment with seabuckthorn flavoring in my salad dressing. We use oil and vinegar (or oil and mature kombucha), but infusing in some seabuckthorn would be fantastic!
Incredible job! I love all of the metal work and mix between traditional landscaping and permaculture.
Great job! This garden looks so good! I agree, the 'contained wildness' is very important to get other people on board
I’m so glad I recently got 5 has laps and can’t wait! They look hardy and growing a few inches already. So proud of them
Wow, their yard look amazing, a totally contained nature oasis.
Looks amazing, the woodchip is also so important here to keep things fairly tidy and limit growth largely to the species you want, it's why my garden looks more like a jungle, lol, I don't have ready access to woodchips. About the fig, here in South-Eastern Europe we have very hot summers but winter can get as cold as -20c (though it's getting less common these days), and figs flourish outside here. I THINK the trick might be to get them to a certain girth, maybe a few inches, by taking them indoors in winter, and once the trunk is thick enough planting them out and they ought to survive the frost a lot better, though don't take that as Gospel, I don't know what happens if you get down to -35c or something. I mean, this is to avoid the hassle of moving them in and out - at the end of the day we are trying to get roots in the soil on our land, right, and I think that could work.
I could see this working for areas like Toronto where they are a little warmer than us. Up where I am, a single -40C day is likely to end the tree no matter how old it is.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Right, those are some seriously harsh conditions, I didn't realise it got THAT cold :o
That property really does look fantastic and I am envious. 👍
What a beautiful urban garden! Felt like the beauty just kept on going. I would love to have an urban garden similar to this on my small plot of land. Garden goals definitely!
So nice of you
This is so inspiring! Huge yard for the city - I'm very jealous looking back at my 30 foot by 30 foot space! I'd love to know more about the spacing between the fruit trees and bushes, especially the peach, haskaps and elderberries. I can never seem to figure out what's OK for pushing the limits!
Next up, we are going to a 30 foot by 10 foot backyard consultation update.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy awesome can't wait!!
It's gorgeous, and such an impressive project!
Good work!
Such an awesome transformation This gives me lots of ideas and inspiration! Great job!
Absolutely love this consultation!
crazy how many things i have in my small garden of this...
du you have whatsapp? i would want to send you some pictures!
I wish these were my neighbours!
I hope this video inspires folks who live in a suburban area to get into permaculture. Great to see how it works in a more formal yard versus a primeval 😂 yard like yours Keith !
LOL indeed!
Amazing!
Great video. Everything captured well and such a beautiful space. Love it!!
This is gorgeous! Thank you so much for sharing. 🤗💛🤗
I love how they mixed it up with art and made the common features into art beautiful
Respect. For me, living at Spadina and Dundas in Toronto, working with 500 sq ft, I kinda cringed when you called this "downtown Toronto".
Haha this is downtown for me!
So beautiful❤
supercool! thank you for sharing .. so great to see this in execution
Just like others have said, This is so helpful to see what permaculture/edible landscaping can look like in a suburban yard. It really does have so much beauty.
This is absolutely gorgeous and so inspiring! I'm in a new location with lots of grass that needs to be replaced with native pollinators and food forest plants.
New since your viewer vid video?
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy yes! I'm on a larger lot, building a greenhouse 10'x26' and I have lots of space for new beds!
Oh wow! I'm so happy for you!
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy thank you!
Uploaded seven days ago and it only appeared for me just now? Wow. What a special garden! Great design/consulting work Keith. What I particularly loved about this upload is that it contrasts with Keith's wild woolly garden and shows that permaculture spaces can be geometric, tidy, formal, with pieces of art, defined rooms with individual uses and atmosphere and relatively low maintenance. I loved the rusted steel work reminiscent of a gallery garden in Los Angeles. The before and after photos really highlighted how well designed spaces look proportionally bigger and when you add multilayer functions the garden seems enourmous. Loved the flow through 'paths' where you can approach a garden room from various angles. The choice of plants is what you would expect in a permaculture garden, lots of variety and plants that grow well in your area, but this design masterfully highlighted the beauty of plants such as the Jerusalem artichokes infront of the cut metal wall. Out of all this excellence, the only slight modification I'd make, if it was my garden, is that I would change the garden edge boarder near the table tennis area by perhaps adding a slightly higher timber inner edge so if somebody is really concentrating on the. ball, they don't trip and slice themselves on a metal edge. It will be interesting to see how the garden develops when the green house is up and running. I'm guessing that they will be slotting in some artichokes, frilly collards, thyme onion plants into some of the wood chip areas as edible ornamentals. The owners obviously love their garden... there wasn't a leaf out of place. Thanks for sharing.
So kind! I like the idea of a softer edge near the table tennis also.
I planted two lilacs in my hedge and I regret it because apparently they only flower when neglected. I put a thick layer of woodchips last year and my soil is full of worms and fungi. They don't flower.
Interesting, I've never heard of that. Is that something that you have heard of on a broad scale and not just anecdotally?
Wow! I’m the first to like this video? Crazy. Must be a brand new one hahah I’m a long time follower, first time commenter. Your videos are so inspiring and informative! I’m curious how you got started consulting, and if you have information about your services/prices - I’d love to hire you if I could afford it. I’m also looking to make permaculture a side gig of some kind also, maybe replace the full time gig eventually. I have no formal education in regards to gardening or Permaculture however I’ve been designing and planting my own property, making my VT mountain into a food forest. I’ve been gardening for about a decade and I absolutely love it and I want to teach the world and help people learn that they can do this for themselves - hopefully help feed the hungry in my town, etc. I know you’ve had a great influence on me, so I can only imagine how many people I can help and influence as well. Maybe the whole world will be growing their own food soon, wouldn’t that be nice? Anyway, thanks for doing what you do and encouraging us all. I beyond appreciate you! One other question, what design program are you using to make your plans? I’m trying to narrow down the best choices in the arena.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, you rock!
Thanks, this is super kind. Indeed the video is super fresh, hot off the press, just released moments ago. So fresh that I wss still writing my pinned comment there, because I knew this video would lead to many people asking about consults. Please see my pinned post, and thanks for the comment!
I also just wanted to thank you for the frame of mind you have here ... you want to find ways to help other people. That's just awesome. When people of such high moral quality watch my channel, I know I must be doing something right. So thank you for making my day 💓
Gorgeous!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Fabulous we’ll done😊
Thanks for the great tour! Love to see other gardens like this. One of my favorite things (of many) was the way the compost bays were hidden. Such a smart idea!
Nice content😊
Wow, amazing! This is so inspiring!
Thank you so much!
Very inspirational. Love so much including the art! Thank you sir. New follower here, Master Gardener, and fruit guild/forest newbie. I'll be back.
Welcome to the family ❤️
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That garden is massive compared to Australian urban blocks, and they’re getting smaller. 350m2 total (without the house) is a common house block size now, if you can get anything over 500m2, that’s considered a good size. Older houses with larger blocks are being bulldozed and subdivided into smaller and smaller blocks. I find it very troubling.
I'm an expat Australian and I consider Australian suburban gardens as massive and full of potential. Even inner city single fronted terrace houses have relatively large gardens if the kitchen reno hasn't taken up the whole yard. If you want postage stamp size, come to Mexico and check out the standard Infonavit houses where the front room is 30 cm from the footpath, there is a 6x2.9 space for the car, a 6x0.8 gap between houses for the washing, and a 7 x 2.5m outdoor living space. Out of Mexico City and Guadalajara, these Infonavit houses are built on mass and often without parks. Kids block off streets with oil barrels and tyres and play football around the parked cars.
I must admit, I do find it extremely upsetting that older residents in inner city suburbs in Australia cannot afford to pay the land taxes and are being forced to sell. It's even more upsetting when the land was snatched up with overseas investors, apartments were built, they have non ecological designs and don't consider Australian values and then most of the flats stay emoty as tax avoidance schemes.
Beautiful job. Thanks to everyone for sharing.
Thank you too!
just catching up on some of your videos. i really liked this one the before and after looks amazing. those haskaps are gigantic. when was this taken cause my haskap stopped producing two weeks ago. cheers keith youll have to come to my farm in the future
Last week.
Where abouts are you located? you can email me at permaculturelegacy@gmail.com if you would rather not share that publicly.
Very cool, thanks for this video. Spirea are edible by the way. The leafs can be used as a tea replacement without the caffeine.
I love the video I myself in Scotland have the same idea here in Scotland but property is rented through all of my fruit plants and berries are in containers but I also have a vision and a dream of using an unused piece of land to use as a natural fit for you no like guerrilla gardening and plant is many different fruit and berry things where as I can sort it will grow a natural food forest so it will so it will take care of itself and feed the people in the community and wildlife and be good for nature do you have any videos or have you came across any natural food forest it is not maintained thanks
My entire channel is a very hands off wild approach to permaculture design. My old man walking trail area is almost entirely neglected. I say "almost" because when I go down there if I see a plant I don't like I will walk on it to trample it, but thats about it.
This property is beautiful, organized but wild. The metal gateway is absolutely genius!!. I love the transformation. I may have missed it, but what is the size of this property?
120' x 220' roughly
Great video and I really like that illustration that you had made. Do you happen to know any good software tools for designing a complex food forest/garden systems? I'm reading Edible Forest Gardens series and just wonder how can I put all this together in a way that I can edit it and make changes to it as my design vision and understanding develop.
I use an app called garden planner,but I'm sure there are many better options. My method is more just plant and adjust as I go, over the years LOL
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy I'm going to try out one called SmartDraw. I recently bought a little over one acre of lush, meadowy land and plan to use it almost exclusively to growing a food forest. It is unbelievable how pristine the site is, hosting numerous insect and bird species while being next to a natural river bringing oxygenated water to the property. The only reason why it wasn't bought before is because part of the land is comprised of alluvial floodplains and dense, undisturbed deciduous forest making it unsuitable for large buildings.
Amazing work! Such good idea’s! I do have a question for ya Keith…the cor-ten steel yall used for the beds; did you buy it as edging metal from like home despot, and Lowe’s…or did yall cut it from a sheet. I really like the look of it and am going to use it as a border. Ultimately I guess whatever is most cost effective. Thank you in advance! Brilliant I hadn’t even thought about cor-ten! Protect with rust.
I believe the client has access to it through this employment. I don't have any further details to share, and I could also be wrong about that. I didn't help source this material, only the plants, and client did all the install.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy gotcha hey thanks, well done again! I bet that fire pit area is awesome at night, makes you feel like you’re in the woods. :) thanks for the inspiration
What a great garden! In my garden I also use corten steel for borders, but I've never seen the waved wand from corten steel. Do You know how the name of such product? Or did the client used some product which is not ment to be a fence? It looks absolutely stunning...
P.S. I mean the wand on the right side in video at minute 9:31
I think they repurposed it.
Your work is beautiful! We are starting a food forest in an urban yard, in the United States. Do you do online consulting via photographs and garden plans? We would love to have you plan it.
Unfortunately I have a massive waiting list, and no time, so I've closed consultations for now.
Awesome work on this project. Long time follower first time commenter - I may have missed, but what USDA zone equivalent is this in CA? Curious based on the nectarine tree that seems to be thriving.
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11:59 is that planted in some soil on top of concrete or was the concrete removed from that area? im curious if the tree roots expanding would break the concrete or even the pool? it looks like there is a crack in the concrete coming from the corner of that garden area.
Indeed, I've already contacted them. I filmed this video about a week ago, and if you look at the designs which were included at the beginning of the video, the design had put bushes around the pool for that exact reason.
For the nectarine, I'm a little afraid that having a tree that close to the pool could cause problems, but this one might be okay. In the design, I tried to keep trees about 15 feet away from the pool, for fear of any concrete cracking due to expanding roots over the next 20 years. The nectarine may be okay, as it is semi-dwarfing root stock. I recommended that they keep an eye on this and look for any displaced tiles, and at first sign of anything like that, remove the tree. You won't get any warning for cracking concrete, which is the problem, so looking for any tile displacement may be their only warning. In the original plan we just had fragrant sumacs there, which have softer roots and don't grow very large.
In the video I mentioned something like "growing peaches next to a pool gives a neat aesthetic" and I was borrowing from why I put peaches next to my pond. However, growing a tree into a 2 ton granite boulder and flexible (yet strong/durable) EPDM liner is one thing. Growing it next to brittle inflexible concrete of a pool is very different. It IS still cool to grow a fruit tree there, but cracking concrete with a tree is a very real concern. I'm less concerned about displacing tiles, as I am about cracking the pool concrete. At my childhood house, we had a large maple next to our pool, which cracked our concrete and it was a full summer dig and full pool repair to fix it. Very costly. That maple was 50 feet tall, so definitely a little more force than a dwarf fruit tree, but still, it's best to play it safe.
The Mulberry was the main concern that wasn't sitting right in few days since shooting.
In the plan we had haskaps, gooseberry and bayberry there. Those are all bushes and don't get very large. Mulberry however is a massive tree - likely the largest one that they have, and it can get 50+ feet tall. I actually didn't include a mulberry in this design at all, because they can be a nuissance for dropping fruit on driveways and causing discoloration. I think this is a tree that you want to plant only if you have about 50 feet of "nature" all around it.
I recommended to them that this tree should actually be transplanted this fall into another location. The cedar area that they cleared out next to the neighbours would be the best place for it on their property, but an even better place would be to transplant it to a local park or school, stake it, make it look official.
I recommended replacing that tree with another haskap, or bush cherry, or lilac, as per the plan, or if they wanted to keep some height there, an elderberry - but it should be some kind of bush plant. If they really wanted a tree, it should be a small dwarf fruit tree. A mulberry however is going to rip up the tile work over the years, and could even be an issue for the pool itself over time. A mulberry even 30 feet from a pool could be a problem, just like a willow from even 40 feet away could also.
Great comment. I've already addressed it, but it's good to get confirmation that this was a good set of recommendations.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy wow, thanks for such a detailed response lol, huge respect. that is an awesome property and the permaculture transformation made it way better imo. well done
I pruned to the soil level all female asparagus plants in my patch this year. I've never done this before. I'm hoping it will make for a more robust harvest next year. Anyone tried this before?
A better idea would be to just pull off any flowers so the plant doesn't put energy into genetics, but still has access to making photosynthesis.
What program did you use for the planning?
Garden planner
It looks like they had some trees with limb spreaders on them. What brand are they please?
I actually don't like the ones they have. They have metal contact points, and it does a little damage to the tree. Try to look for something that has a soft contact point.
I’m curious about the mulberry, is it the native red mulberry or the white mulberry (which is invasive).
Red
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy lovely! 😍
I cant plant near the sidewalk because the people in my town let their pets pee and poop wherever they want.
Put pollinator gardens there, nice deep woodchip mulch to absorb the urine, and enjoy lush vibrant life. Turn the problem into a solution.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy so no guns?😉 jk...thanks for the idea!🤓
Not 100% on topic but thought you would know the answer been looking and can't find the answer (uk 01:19) bedtime 😅 can self fertile cherry trees pollinate non fertile cherry trees please?
Most sours are self fertile. Most sweets are not. Most (if not all) sweets actually need 1 sour tree to pollinate them. 1 sour tree can pollinate many sweets. With cherries, the rules are:
1) When in doubt, plant many types, so you get blooms at the same time.
2) Always always have at least 1 sour.
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Okay thank you very much 😊