@@angryvaultguy That's no greater crime than the many crimes of each nation. It's a cultural phenomenon and to them, that would have likely been similar to joining the military in another culture
Kyoshi legit did nothing though? She saw a hostile army taking over the Earth Kingdom and decided to split her own place off from the continent rather than stand up to a tyrant. She’s way overhyped and mischaracterized in this fandom.
If this video is real and not bs, that’s a fun way to poke at China’s history. The Earth Kingdom is more anchored in the culture of Imperial China, and historically, the Imperial Chinese Navy was weak and ineffective, to the point they were basically always losing to pirates.
@@Inquisitorsteve2 They were pirates who had been operating long enough to develop a culture of their own. It's debatable whether they should count as a separate people, considering that their society revolved around piracy.
@@Julian_der_Oesi You will find that, historically, pirates were labeled as "Hostis Humani Generis," or "Enemies of all mankind," meaning that under traditional international law, if you killed pirates, no one would think you were to bad guy, no matter how you did it. And in the modern day the UN is only vaguely less disapproving of Pirates.
@@MainRapperACEsahitbf wan said he's closing it until humans and spirits could learn to coexist. And Korra opened it when humans and spirits learned to coexist lol
I feel like there’s WAY more than 4 nations even in the original series. The two water tribes seem to self govern themselves, the “earth kingdom” has at least two kingdoms inside it each ruled by a different king (I don’t see the swamp benders paying taxes to the earth king or following his laws either)
I suspect the earth kingdom works a bit like medieval german empire. 1 emperor rules over many semi independent kingdoms. So bumi would im theory be under the earth king but in practice it does not get inforced this way.
This is a medieval feudal system. Think of Game of Thrones. Smaller Lords answer to an all powerful King. And also answer to the leader of the faith (The Pope IRL and Avatar in the show) who decides who is worthy to be king and who is not. See Aang crowning Zuko. So King Bumi answers to the Avatar and to the Earth King, he probably pays taxes to Ba Sing Se. Also remember Omashu is a religious city, as in "the origin of earthbending" and all, so maybe that is why it has a King, probably ratified up by an Avatar long ago, unlike the other earth kingdom cities. Where is the Eath Kingdom's Avatar Temple? You never know in the show but I bet it is in Omashu. (You have the Southern Air Temple for Air, Crescent Island for Fire, Northern Water Teibe for Water, but where is the Earth one?)
In a more high fantasy version, the earth kingdom would probably employ giant seaturtles(like the ones in subnautica) that secreted dirt while consuming minerals. That would be quite the sight. If you add airbenders or waterbenders to tje mix you could have submarines.
Kyoshi: "so what was that whole thing with the 5th Nation?" Yangchen: "it was supposed to be a coalition of all benders and non-benders in a safe and sustainable nation. A melting pot of different cultures." Kyoshi: "Which ended up with them turning into conquerors, tyrants and pirates. Honestly, who's idea was it to do that?" Yangchen: "It was mine." Kyoshi: "......." *SLAP*
And then Aang made fifth nation again with the mixed city un legend of korra. These air bending avatars really try so hard to mix the cultures and it always end in fights😂
I really liked the idea of the Ocean Folk from the Legend of Genji fancomic, which were basically survivors from this fifth nation living on floating cities made of clay and plants. They were both earth and water benders and were related to the swamp benders
They were not a real nation. It was a coalition of pirates and the reason Kyoshi put a stop to them was because they raided villages and enslaved the villagers. Technically Kyoshi didn't even put a stop to them, it was an accident as she was trying to save her friend Yun who was mistaken for the Avatar. He was trying to sign a peace treaty with them when they double crossed him and tried to kidnap him.
Such an entity is quite a short way from being a "real" nation. Just needs a central government to settle in and recognition of the surrounding powers.
@@chaotixthefoxprobably had soms leadership, they sound like norsemen. Vikings were just raiders and pirates, and since these guys and the norsemen both had vast coasts they probably traded a lot too so yeah they were an actual state
@@chaotixthefox they had a hereditary leadership. Their queen, Tagaka, being the most powerful they had when Kyoshi brought them down. But more importantly for being a nation, they didn't have any citizens or formal territory. In the name of territory were villages that they were free to pillage or enslave as the villages were too far for a weak earth King at Ba Sing Se to defend. Other than that it was mostly pirates that were running from the law.
@@chaotixthefox Like the CSA wasn't a real nation because despite having a central government during the American Civil War, they had near-zero recognition from the surrounding powers of the world.
I would imagine that in the very far future of the Avatar universe, the nations will split into 18 independent nations: Water, Fire, Ground, Rock, Steel, Poison, Dark, Ghost, Dragon, Electric, Psychic, Fighting, Flying, Fairy, Grass, Ice, Bug and Normal just like the Pokémon types…. Ground nation will be created by the sandbenders Steel nation will be created by the metalbenders Poison nation will get independence from the Steel nation after mastering the poison bending (like the red lotus did to Korra) Electric nation will get independence from the Fire nation by those who become masters of lightning bending Fighting and Normal nations will be created by the nonbenders Ice nation will get independence from the Water nation by those who can bend ice, and the other waterbenders who can’t bend ice will live in the original Water nation Dragon nation will get independence from the Fire nation by those who are more traditional with the dragons (like the Sun Warriors) Grass nation will be created by the plantbenders who live in the swamp Rock and Flying nations will be new names for the Earth kingdom and the Air temples Bug nation will get independence from the Flying nation by airbenders who develop special abilities that relate to bugs Psychic, Ghost and Fairy nations will be created by people who have a strong connection to the spirit world with different aspects and abilities Finally, the Dark nation will be created by the bloodbenders (since I had no other option)
If I had a nickel for every time an airbender avatar started a multicultural fifth kingdom in the avatar universe, I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but you know the rest
It would be funny if every Air Avatar in history tried to start a 5th nation, and every single one fails by the time the cycle comes fully around. Things don’t look good for Republic City if that’s the case lol!
@@drm726Considering how they literally had Aircraft on hand yet refused to develop them even after it was shown how effective they were against there navy (side note those ships are disgusting and make French pre dreadnoughts look good) showed me how incompetent they were lol
This was before she knew she was the avatar and was considerd a really bad earth bender. then they were trying to kill her and everyone found out real quick she was the avatar
@@facundomontivero2299Near as I can tell, the piracy bit didn't start until well after they were established. And besides, name me a nation that didn't engage in some 'high - risk trading' here and there.
Avatar Yangchen: Let’s make a nation that will unite benders and non-benders… Avatar Kyoshi: I don’t think so. Avatar Aang: As I was..I mean as Yangchen was saying… I’m amazed there wasn’t an Avatar that went psychotic from being the same soul with conflicting personalities and beliefs.
To be fair, Yangchen's turned into Pirates. Republic City hasn't done that...yet. Also the way I see it, they aren't reincarnations in the traditional sense. Roku's soul still exists and can have conversations with Aang, for example.
@@brolytriplethreat Considering that Republic City is blatantly based off of America, which is notorious for meddling in foreign affairs and overthrowing elected governments to install puppet governments, something tells me that the earth kingdom Avatar is going have to potentially come into conflict with Republic City.
Considering that so many came from the Southern Water Tribe, what if they could be linked to the Foggy Swamp waterbenders 🤔 I'd really like to know where they came from. MORE INFO ON BENDING MINORITIES LIKE FOGGY SWAMP & SUN WARRIORS
The Foggy Swamp benders are barely related to them. The pirates were more of a recent migration compared to the Swamp Benders since the Swamp Benders travelled to the Earth Kingdom Swamp several thousand years ago.
Kind of puts Avatar Roku's "The Four Nations were always meant to be just four" into perspective. Not just his opposition to Sozin's global conquest plans, but also his opposition to Avatar Aang's United Republic.
No, that's not it. The Swamp benders were the long time Waterbending residents of the Earth Kingdom, for a few thousand years(to the point of forgetting about their origins). The ones shown in LOK were recent immigrants spanning nearly a century.
I mean kyoshi didn’t do all too much to the fifth nation. All she did was bring up a giant wall of earth that was used by the others to stop the fifth nation. I would say the fifth nation was more so stopped by Jianzhu. Kyoshi was just kind of the assist
@@bless8874 it’s from the Kyoshi novels. Rise of Kyoshi and Shadow of Kyoshi. They are really good so I really recommend them. There are also yangchen novels. I finished the first one and am half way through the second. I’d recommend those too but the first one was a bit slow
@@Xtermenator217 thanks. I actually read the books but totally forgot about this plot element at the beginning of the kyoshi novels. I'm on Yang Chen's second book & yeah the first one was slow. I heard there's a Roku book coming out this year but it's not by the same author. Not sure how I feel about that
I reckon it would’ve been cool if the water nation had or were based off Polynesians. Instead of swamps benders, could’ve had north, south and tropical islanders
@@battlesheep2552I imagine them using the animals like fish and crabs in the water for their bending, reflecting light from the strong sun to blind their enemies, or, hear me out, MUD bending. So they are basically earth and water benders combined, launching attacks with mud, than removing the water from it mid-air so you have a spray of sand used as a cover to distract an enemy while they attack using the now normal water. Wow, I didn't really think there would be much possibilities, tell me what do you think about this idea!
Zuko once mentioned an Earth Kingdom ship. Of course that was part of a lie he was telling to Zhao, and we never actually did see any Earth Kingdom ships that I can recall. Just smaller boats such as the ferry to Ba Sing Se.
@cjg8763 I mean the Earth Kingdom be big and obviously most of it is landlocked, so it makes sense we don't see much of its navy. Especially since it's likely inferior to the Fire Nation's industrialized navy for most of the war.
I would LOVE more lore/info dumps about this. I’m about to be running an Avatar Legends campaign that takes place in 20AG starting in Chameleon Bay. The first couple sessions are going to be dealing with pirates from the southern water tribe/remnants from the fifth nation, and one of my PCs has ties to them so I would love all the info you can spare!
Best part is Kyoshi wasn’t even considered the Avatar at the time, she was just the “Avatar’s” Maid that tagged along who during a fight casually shook the entire sea floor essentially destroying their entire fleet
I don't read much, but I listened to her two audiobooks on audible and I highly recommended them. I've listened to over a hundred books on audible and her two books are in my to 5. I think they are in my top two honestly. I've listened to them more than once, highly recommended.
I always wondered what was going on with those “earth kingdom” islands sandwiched between the southern water tribe, eastern air temple, and ba sing se. always wondered why the gaang never went there
I just read Kyoshi's book by F C Lee and it was so good! Detailed the 5th nation more, emphasized their piracy, and it was really fascinating and informative
In addition to comics, there are a few chapter books as well. Known as the Chronicles of the Avatar. Has books for Kyoshi, Yangchen, and Roku so far. The avatar wiki has a page that lists all the released books related to avatar (comics and otherwise).
I want to see island water benders in the future, I imagine a Polynesian water bender culture and I’m beyond here for it. I feel like I would 💯 be a water bender, however catch me at the beach water surfing not freezing to death at the north or South Pole lol
@@MrNeilTV okay well you said you'd be on the beach and not freezing at the north or south pole and I'm saying there are already water benders out there not freezing at the north or south pole. They are in a warm swamp and seem horrified at the thought of freezing at the north or south pole. Katara did water surfing on the beach, looks like fun.
I could remember that a friend of avatar Kuruk, who was a air bender caused a powerful storm at sea that killed lots of people who came from the fifth nation, which resulted in the other air nomads stripping him of any future he could have with them as they were pacifists and not killers.
Honestly the "Earth Kingdom" just just a bunch of completely separate nations but the city of ba sing se claims to rule them all, and they just go along with it because they don't care.
Is this part of the history behind Kyoshi island? It was connected to the mainland of the earth kingdom once but its people all dress in water tribe blues. Except for the kyoshi warriors. The island is a mix of both earth and water.
In the Avatar Kyoshi novels the 5th Nation are the villains Kyoshi fights in the opening chapters before she even discovers that she’s the Avatar. So this happened long before Chin the Conqueror. She was 16 and not even a fully realized Avatar yet
If that fifth nation was consisted by people of the Southern Water Tribe, and non benders and benders of the Earth Kingdom, that make it a fifth "State" and not a nation.
I’m currently reading the first Kyoshi book, she brought earth up from the sea floor and destroyed the iceberg they were all standing on. And that was before she knew she was the avatar.
@@chaotic7cam Warships setting things on fire is just what warships do. But the Earth Kingdom on the open ocean, far away from all earth is kinda hilarious.
In my Avatar series fanfiction, i made a Continent located in the west of the Bending World AKA Earthrealm and Avatar universe, it is called Westalia. I know it is sounds stupid but this one is heavily based on European aesthetics and inspired to both Medieval Europe and early-modern Europe where an Expansionist Empire uses their own version of Bending known as Elemental Magic or Elemental Manipulation magic, on top of that there are so many diverse people based on both European and Middle-Eastern as well as a Japanese-inspired Shogunate country as well.
@@foisopracurtir6389 It was on my DeviantART, basically they are the so-called Surviving Fifth Nation people and build their own country located in the western continents.
I think the showmakers like to make a point of giving each avatar's actions unintended consequences. Each avatar did their best to achieve peace but the world will always balance that out. Kiyoshi lived so long tho so much is connected to her lmao
Also we should keep in mind that the Fifth Nation wasn't exactly a force of good. It was ran by Pirates who enslaved folks and pillaged Earth Kingdom ships. Heck they probably would still be around if they didn't try to betray a peace council between them and the Earth Kingdom by assassinating 'Avatar' Yun's waterbending teacher and attempting to kidnap him.
A lot of these points are the same things John Lovell of Warrior Poet Society talks about in his book and general conversation. A lot of good points that im personally discovering there to be a certain amount of truth in these topics. Specifically, community and courage. I think community and the art of conversation are two major things that are dying that need to come back. John also talks about purpose. He comes at it a little different, but i like it. Basically, man must wage war. If there is no actual war, then he must make war with himself. Get in the gym. Learn that new skill. Confront that issue that everyone ignores. Wage war with yourself, to BE a better self. That concept alone has really helped me out the last few months
I notice that Kyoshi is a root problem to a lot of the problems in avatar. She had been avatar for over 200 years and was basically a god doing what she believed was right, strange how right after she’s gone the war starts or their even was talk of war. My belief is that the other nations were annoyed that they didn’t have an avatar of their own people for so long that a war like the fire nations was inevitable when she finally died. Didn’t help that Roku was to soft on Sozin. Just my belief on the matter
Her and Yangchen, if we're being real. It seems like whenever Earth or Air gets their shot in recent history, they always 🤬🤬🤬🤬 up so badly that Water or Fire (Roku) has to step up and clean their damn mess. Doesn't help that Kiyoshi compounded that by sticking around far longer than she should've.
Can we talk about how kyoshi allowed a dictator to conquer the whole earth kingdom outside of the wall and didn’t stop him until her town was threatened 😂
It wasn't really a war as they weren't really a nation. Instead it was a large pirate fleet that was gaining enough strength and numbers that they called themselves the Fifth Nation. They were essentially pillaging and enslaving folks on the Earth Kingdoms coast for decades before Kyoshi and company stopped them. Heck, saying Kyoshi did so herself is giving her more credit then she would allow, as she mainly was an important assist in the main battle, and ended up working to stop the fleet from being able to reform a few years later.
Calling them a nation is maybe a bit much. They were a pirate fleet that got powerful enough for the already spread-out Earth Kingdom to declare them a threat. But it was more like a syndicate than a nation.
A nation is just a loose collection of people who sit on a patch of dirt and claim it's theirs. In what ways were they not a nation? Did they not have trade? Did they not have a government? Did they not claim land?
I think I remember reading the dark skinned, makeup wearing pirate was descended from these people. It's also explain some brown skinned characters in the Earth kingdom like Jet and Kai
@@Daofei_4life Oh I was just throwing that out there because of the former game. Avatar Generations got cancelled on Dec 2nd last year after less than a year. I loved playing it and that's where I encountered Pirate Queen Tagaka and Taliriktug and 2 other pirates. I have no idea how Taliriktug is involved, just stats just said 5th Nation, pirate and waterbender. :P
This is actually a very good argument as to why the avatar should not exist. Why should one person be able to decide which nations are and aren’t allowed to exist?
Youve built up such a stable realm and powerful bases that whenever you move to a different location your liege instantly declares a holy war and expands asap
@@HelloFutureMeIIRC he was allied with Kyoshi, or they had aligned interests and she let him run amok, when he conquered the Earth Kingdom. It was only when he turned on her that she had a problem.
I HIGHLY recommend the fic "Embers" (easily found on A03) it delves into SO MUCH (yes its AU and not canon, but it's actually *replaced* canon for me, so)
It's heavily implied in the Kyoshi novels that the combination of her living so long, and micromanaging the nations so much to maintiain the status quo ultimately lead to the set of factors that started the Hundred Year War. She kept the Earth Kingdom within their massive borders they couldn't properly control, put down Qin, stopped the Water Tribes with their better navy from seizing the islands as mentioned here, and kept the Fire Nation cooped up. This breed a lot of resentment, and so when she finally died and the next Avatar loosened their grip the strongest nation at that point(The Fire Nation) lashed out massively, and by that point the Earth Kingdom had grown corrupt and complacent due to their place being secure for so long, and the Water Tribes had turned insular after Kyoshi crushed their attempt to expand outward here. While they would have been more wars in the short term without Kyoshi, there never would have been a massive genocide on the level of the Hundred Years War if things hadn't been locked in place so long
Once the five nations lived in harmony but everything changed when Avatar Kyoshi attacked.
Nooo bro i cant😂😭
Well they were pirates
Only the Fire lord master of the 2 fires could stop him but when the world needed him most
@@angryvaultguy That's no greater crime than the many crimes of each nation. It's a cultural phenomenon and to them, that would have likely been similar to joining the military in another culture
😂😂
"There was once a fifth Nation"
"WHat happened to them?"
"Avatar Kyoshi"
"Oh"
Kyoshi really was the Reagan of the avatar world
Yeah id recommend reading the rise of kyoshi.
Mind you, this was before she even knew she was the avatar
Simple answer LOL
@@Rensje1989_yeah, if anything she sort of does it by accident.
Kyoshi must have been like a walking, talking 7 foot tall nuclear deterrent back in her day.
Our world has MAD (mutual assured destruction) thanks to nukes. Kyoshi was the MAD herself
Give me that power, i have a few places I'd like to conquer @@pedroivantaveraferreira3037
@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 We have MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction.
Kyoshi is simply AD: Assured destruction.
In this way, Kyoshi is also AD: Anno Domini. The year of the lord. Which lord? Her.
@@zachrabaznaz7687should not be anno domine: year of the lady?
“Before Avatar Kyoshi put a stop to them.”
….Of course she did
It's always Kyoshi
"and then Kyoshi put a stop to it" is the equivalent "It all started with Napoleon"
"Under avatar Yang Chen..."
Poor avatar Kuruk probably not being around long enough to get involved with these people whatsoever, lol
@@martinxy1291 OH MY AVATAR! You are so right! This is not even a joke this is historical correct!
Kyoshi legit did nothing though? She saw a hostile army taking over the Earth Kingdom and decided to split her own place off from the continent rather than stand up to a tyrant.
She’s way overhyped and mischaracterized in this fandom.
There’s something funny about the idea of an Earth Kingdom navy.
Floating Rocks! Rock boats! Rock Bread for Rock Sailors!!!
Sort of like Mongolia's navy.
Even in their heyday, some typhoons stopped them and whatnot.
If this video is real and not bs, that’s a fun way to poke at China’s history. The Earth Kingdom is more anchored in the culture of Imperial China, and historically, the Imperial Chinese Navy was weak and ineffective, to the point they were basically always losing to pirates.
@TheStickCollector That’s because they went to Japan. And a typhoon is a typhoon. Not much you can do about nature
It's an oxymoron
“Until avatar Kyoshi.”
Oh they DEAD dead.
Wasn't expecting an Avatar to do a lil genocide
@@Inquisitorsteve2Kyoshi can have a little a genocide, as a treat
@@Inquisitorsteve2 They were pirates who had been operating long enough to develop a culture of their own. It's debatable whether they should count as a separate people, considering that their society revolved around piracy.
@@MCSPARTAN501that Sounds more racist, that you can Imagine
@@Julian_der_Oesi You will find that, historically, pirates were labeled as "Hostis Humani Generis," or "Enemies of all mankind," meaning that under traditional international law, if you killed pirates, no one would think you were to bad guy, no matter how you did it. And in the modern day the UN is only vaguely less disapproving of Pirates.
Brought up by The Avatar, brought down by The Avatar.
And so the cycle continues.
And restarted again with the formation of the United Republic under Aang and Zuko.
Avatar closing the spirit world. Avatar opening the spirit world. 😂
@@MainRapperACEsahitbf wan said he's closing it until humans and spirits could learn to coexist. And Korra opened it when humans and spirits learned to coexist lol
@@shadowx8145she does realize she just release Koh the face stealer right?
@@painvillegaming4119 non she severed the link with the past avatar. So she doesn't
“I have come to save you-“
“Hurrah! It’s Avatar Kyoshi!”
“-from yourselves!”
“Oh no, it’s Avatar Kyoshi.”
Based TFS reference
The Kyoshi Crusade would've run the Catholic Church's fade 😂
Kiyoshi, no!
"Kiyoshi, YES!!!!"
She dealt with them before she knew she was the avatar and was a pretty bad earth bender🤣
😂😂 oh my god i dis not expect to see this here hahahah
I feel like there’s WAY more than 4 nations even in the original series. The two water tribes seem to self govern themselves, the “earth kingdom” has at least two kingdoms inside it each ruled by a different king (I don’t see the swamp benders paying taxes to the earth king or following his laws either)
I suspect the earth kingdom works a bit like medieval german empire. 1 emperor rules over many semi independent kingdoms. So bumi would im theory be under the earth king but in practice it does not get inforced this way.
Yeah it's basically like a federation only in name for a lot of history.
~ Tim
Earth Kingdom is HUGE so it’s based around china and how they used local governors and made smaller powers pay tribute to extend their influence
This is a medieval feudal system. Think of Game of Thrones. Smaller Lords answer to an all powerful King. And also answer to the leader of the faith (The Pope IRL and Avatar in the show) who decides who is worthy to be king and who is not. See Aang crowning Zuko. So King Bumi answers to the Avatar and to the Earth King, he probably pays taxes to Ba Sing Se. Also remember Omashu is a religious city, as in "the origin of earthbending" and all, so maybe that is why it has a King, probably ratified up by an Avatar long ago, unlike the other earth kingdom cities. Where is the Eath Kingdom's Avatar Temple? You never know in the show but I bet it is in Omashu. (You have the Southern Air Temple for Air, Crescent Island for Fire, Northern Water Teibe for Water, but where is the Earth one?)
@@thevikingbear2343 on this note, if Bumi wanted to rebel from the Earth Kingdom he totally could, it’s probably only because he wants to keep balance
Idk why but the phrase “earth kingdom navy” is what got me more than anything else. I know it makes sense but it sounds absurd for .5 seconds
Can't decide if it's better or worse than the Fire Nation imprisoning Earthbenders on ships.
@@normanclatcherI mean, right up until Toph created Metal Bending out of pure spite, it was the best idea.
It was either that, or a wooden box.
In a more high fantasy version, the earth kingdom would probably employ giant seaturtles(like the ones in subnautica) that secreted dirt while consuming minerals. That would be quite the sight. If you add airbenders or waterbenders to tje mix you could have submarines.
in Atla episode 3 Zuko tells Zhao that they ran into an ship of the earth kingdom
Just a bunch of earthbenders bringing a fuck ton of rocks on board for battle😂
But everything changed when the Avatar Kyoshi attacked.
Only the ava…. nevermind
Kyoshi: "so what was that whole thing with the 5th Nation?"
Yangchen: "it was supposed to be a coalition of all benders and non-benders in a safe and sustainable nation. A melting pot of different cultures."
Kyoshi: "Which ended up with them turning into conquerors, tyrants and pirates. Honestly, who's idea was it to do that?"
Yangchen: "It was mine."
Kyoshi: "......." *SLAP*
Korra: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Aang: No!!! Stoooop!
Poor Kuruk, who just tried entering the Avatar State to calm a natural disaster: *is forced to slap himself by his past lives*
And then Aang made fifth nation again with the mixed city un legend of korra. These air bending avatars really try so hard to mix the cultures and it always end in fights😂
@@sehrlimagic2689The next avatar is gonna be Kiyoshi 2.0 😅
The idea was sound, and we can't judge it so harshly just looking at the results.
I really liked the idea of the Ocean Folk from the Legend of Genji fancomic, which were basically survivors from this fifth nation living on floating cities made of clay and plants. They were both earth and water benders and were related to the swamp benders
It's still such a shame that that comic was cancelled :/
@@mitchryan257that be a strong feeling, pardner. Care to inform the uniformed?
That concept is 🔥!!!! Where can I read it?
@@ChileSpiceNinja just a bait take to stirr up anger
@@ChileSpiceNinjait’s unoriginal copy
They were not a real nation. It was a coalition of pirates and the reason Kyoshi put a stop to them was because they raided villages and enslaved the villagers. Technically Kyoshi didn't even put a stop to them, it was an accident as she was trying to save her friend Yun who was mistaken for the Avatar. He was trying to sign a peace treaty with them when they double crossed him and tried to kidnap him.
Such an entity is quite a short way from being a "real" nation. Just needs a central government to settle in and recognition of the surrounding powers.
@@chaotixthefoxprobably had soms leadership, they sound like norsemen. Vikings were just raiders and pirates, and since these guys and the norsemen both had vast coasts they probably traded a lot too so yeah they were an actual state
@@chaotixthefox they had a hereditary leadership. Their queen, Tagaka, being the most powerful they had when Kyoshi brought them down. But more importantly for being a nation, they didn't have any citizens or formal territory. In the name of territory were villages that they were free to pillage or enslave as the villages were too far for a weak earth King at Ba Sing Se to defend. Other than that it was mostly pirates that were running from the law.
"Personally, I don't see the difference" - Avatar Kyoshi
@@chaotixthefox Like the CSA wasn't a real nation because despite having a central government during the American Civil War, they had near-zero recognition from the surrounding powers of the world.
Nation 5: The Normie Nation
the normal types 🤣
The average joes
I would imagine that in the very far future of the Avatar universe, the nations will split into 18 independent nations: Water, Fire, Ground, Rock, Steel, Poison, Dark, Ghost, Dragon, Electric, Psychic, Fighting, Flying, Fairy, Grass, Ice, Bug and Normal just like the Pokémon types….
Ground nation will be created by the sandbenders
Steel nation will be created by the metalbenders
Poison nation will get independence from the Steel nation after mastering the poison bending (like the red lotus did to Korra)
Electric nation will get independence from the Fire nation by those who become masters of lightning bending
Fighting and Normal nations will be created by the nonbenders
Ice nation will get independence from the Water nation by those who can bend ice, and the other waterbenders who can’t bend ice will live in the original Water nation
Dragon nation will get independence from the Fire nation by those who are more traditional with the dragons (like the Sun Warriors)
Grass nation will be created by the plantbenders who live in the swamp
Rock and Flying nations will be new names for the Earth kingdom and the Air temples
Bug nation will get independence from the Flying nation by airbenders who develop special abilities that relate to bugs
Psychic, Ghost and Fairy nations will be created by people who have a strong connection to the spirit world with different aspects and abilities
Finally, the Dark nation will be created by the bloodbenders (since I had no other option)
@@morkessler2456 I like the referance
@@morkessler2456 Total war Warhammer Avatar edition 🤣
If I had a nickel for every time an airbender avatar started a multicultural fifth kingdom in the avatar universe, I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but you know the rest
It would be funny if every Air Avatar in history tried to start a 5th nation, and every single one fails by the time the cycle comes fully around. Things don’t look good for Republic City if that’s the case lol!
They were also both once earth kingdom territory
That'd actually be fitting world building if the fifth nation exists in a constant cycle of rebirth and destruction.
@@drm726Considering how they literally had Aircraft on hand yet refused to develop them even after it was shown how effective they were against there navy (side note those ships are disgusting and make French pre dreadnoughts look good) showed me how incompetent they were lol
Haha makes sense because air benders are nomadic and like travelling. While the other benders seem more settled in their nations.
Kioshi: I have an island.
5th nation: We have an island too.
Kioshi: No.
I love how basically their story was
Yang Sheng: I'm cool with you guys
Kyoshi: i'mo not cool with you guys anymore
Haven't read the books yet but I assume they were less...piratey in Yangchen's time
@@brolytriplethreat the problem was that they started getting involved in the slave trade
@@baronbrummbar8691oh god even the avatar universe had slavery now i think there could have been a southern confederacy
Ohh
Avatar kyoshi is an absolute menace
calling her a menace doesn't mean I hate her goddamn chill shes my fav avatar
They were pirates.
They fucked around and found out.
This was before she knew she was the avatar and was considerd a really bad earth bender. then they were trying to kill her and everyone found out real quick she was the avatar
And we lover her for that.
I feel like the Kyoshi warriors would feel differently considering their history with this fifth nation
@@facundomontivero2299Near as I can tell, the piracy bit didn't start until well after they were established. And besides, name me a nation that didn't engage in some 'high - risk trading' here and there.
Avatar Yangchen: Let’s make a nation that will unite benders and non-benders…
Avatar Kyoshi: I don’t think so.
Avatar Aang: As I was..I mean as Yangchen was saying…
I’m amazed there wasn’t an Avatar that went psychotic from being the same soul with conflicting personalities and beliefs.
To be fair, Yangchen's turned into Pirates. Republic City hasn't done that...yet.
Also the way I see it, they aren't reincarnations in the traditional sense. Roku's soul still exists and can have conversations with Aang, for example.
@@brolytriplethreatRepublic city be like: "You got the wrong colors over here. This is triple threat triad territory"
Yangchen was basically schizophrenic from her past lives blending into her (think Bleeding Effect). She got better at controlling it as she got older.
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Considering that Republic City is blatantly based off of America, which is notorious for meddling in foreign affairs and overthrowing elected governments to install puppet governments, something tells me that the earth kingdom Avatar is going have to potentially come into conflict with Republic City.
I wouldn't say Kyoshi put a stop to it, she was just kinda there and helped when the top brass was destroyed
she destroyed ther navy and killed ther leader .........
She destroyed the fleet and later helped mop up the remnants
Considering that so many came from the Southern Water Tribe, what if they could be linked to the Foggy Swamp waterbenders 🤔 I'd really like to know where they came from. MORE INFO ON BENDING MINORITIES LIKE FOGGY SWAMP & SUN WARRIORS
The Foggy Swamp benders are barely related to them.
The pirates were more of a recent migration compared to the Swamp Benders since the Swamp Benders travelled to the Earth Kingdom Swamp several thousand years ago.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 where was this mentioned? I'd like to watch/read
@@lilchief1117 Wiki.
Yeah and Sand benders
"There used to be 5 nations that lived in peace and harmony, then everything changed when Kyoshi attacked"
But they didn’t live in peace the fifth nation was a menace and was more an area controlled by pirates similar to Nassau
@@johnhudecek5667 nassau ? you mean the one in the bahamas ?
@@baronbrummbar8691 yeah in the golden age of piracy there was a pirate confederation for a little bit who controlled it
Kind of puts Avatar Roku's "The Four Nations were always meant to be just four" into perspective. Not just his opposition to Sozin's global conquest plans, but also his opposition to Avatar Aang's United Republic.
This explains why there are Water Tribe ethnicity people in the Earth nation in Korra season 4, when Kuvira does the whole ethnic cleansing
No, that's not it.
The Swamp benders were the long time Waterbending residents of the Earth Kingdom, for a few thousand years(to the point of forgetting about their origins).
The ones shown in LOK were recent immigrants spanning nearly a century.
Yoo they're inspired by real life Chinese pirates. Really good stuff
awesome
yeah how they defeated the chinese Qing navy
I mean kyoshi didn’t do all too much to the fifth nation. All she did was bring up a giant wall of earth that was used by the others to stop the fifth nation. I would say the fifth nation was more so stopped by Jianzhu. Kyoshi was just kind of the assist
@@adamwatchesvideosontheinte6642 oh yeah I forgot she stopped them from reforming. I only remembered what happened in the first book with them
Hey where y'all getting this info?
@@bless8874 it’s from the Kyoshi novels. Rise of Kyoshi and Shadow of Kyoshi. They are really good so I really recommend them. There are also yangchen novels. I finished the first one and am half way through the second. I’d recommend those too but the first one was a bit slow
@@Xtermenator217 thanks. I actually read the books but totally forgot about this plot element at the beginning of the kyoshi novels. I'm on Yang Chen's second book & yeah the first one was slow. I heard there's a Roku book coming out this year but it's not by the same author. Not sure how I feel about that
@@bless8874 I really hope it’s good because I think a Roku novel done right can be top tier
Then Avatar Kyoshi just extinguished that flame
Good riddance.
>from a cold place.
>moved to a warmer place
>seafaring people
*Valhalla calling me starts playing*
And here comes Kyosh
Them”Lads tonight we dine in Odin hall”
To be fair, you could say the same thing about the British Empire expanding to everywhere but Canada.
@@SH-qs7ee although they did expand to canada
Oh yes, the five elements:
"Earth, Fire, Water, Air... And Love?"
"No, PIRATES!!"
WITH YOUR POWERS COMBINED I AM CAPTAIN PIRATE
There’s a fifth nation!
Kyoshi: nuh uh.
Avatar bring balance to the world
Kyoshi : "here's balance!"
Of course Kyoshi is what happened, lmao.
I reckon it would’ve been cool if the water nation had or were based off Polynesians. Instead of swamps benders, could’ve had north, south and tropical islanders
I agree. I always felt like Polinesian-like water benders in some tropical islands would be a logical part of this world
What do you think their speciality would be, since North and South is about bending ice and swamp is about bending plants.
Probably focus on the original water bending niche, while the polar benders would focus on ice bending as a more distinct art?
@@battlesheep2552I imagine them using the animals like fish and crabs in the water for their bending, reflecting light from the strong sun to blind their enemies, or, hear me out, MUD bending.
So they are basically earth and water benders combined, launching attacks with mud, than removing the water from it mid-air so you have a spray of sand used as a cover to distract an enemy while they attack using the now normal water.
Wow, I didn't really think there would be much possibilities, tell me what do you think about this idea!
Glad someone else covers this. I write a bit about this in my lore expansion project
Avatar Yangchen: "I brought you into this world."
Avatar Kyoshi: "And I can take you out of it."
The Avatar: Aight I'll let you expand
Also The Avatar: who tf let you expand?
Maybe thats why we never get to see the earth kingdom navy
Zuko once mentioned an Earth Kingdom ship. Of course that was part of a lie he was telling to Zhao, and we never actually did see any Earth Kingdom ships that I can recall. Just smaller boats such as the ferry to Ba Sing Se.
@cjg8763 I mean the Earth Kingdom be big and obviously most of it is landlocked, so it makes sense we don't see much of its navy. Especially since it's likely inferior to the Fire Nation's industrialized navy for most of the war.
The fact an avatar helped them achieve peace and then another avatar stopped them, shows how messed up they became over time
Fifth Nation: Hi!! :)
Avatar Kyoshi: No.
Kyoshi: _sees United Republic_ "You two have failed as Avatars."
I would LOVE more lore/info dumps about this. I’m about to be running an Avatar Legends campaign that takes place in 20AG starting in Chameleon Bay. The first couple sessions are going to be dealing with pirates from the southern water tribe/remnants from the fifth nation, and one of my PCs has ties to them so I would love all the info you can spare!
Best part is Kyoshi wasn’t even considered the Avatar at the time, she was just the “Avatar’s” Maid that tagged along who during a fight casually shook the entire sea floor essentially destroying their entire fleet
Earth Kingdom having a navy is the funniest thing ever
Look just because they can't Earthbend at sea doesn't mean they can't still fire cannons at you.
I don't read much, but I listened to her two audiobooks on audible and I highly recommended them.
I've listened to over a hundred books on audible and her two books are in my to 5. I think they are in my top two honestly. I've listened to them more than once, highly recommended.
I always wondered what was going on with those “earth kingdom” islands sandwiched between the southern water tribe, eastern air temple, and ba sing se. always wondered why the gaang never went there
I just read Kyoshi's book by F C Lee and it was so good! Detailed the 5th nation more, emphasized their piracy, and it was really fascinating and informative
where can I read more about the lore and history of the avatar universe?
Im interested too, thought the comocs were more of a sequel, what else is there to consume?^^
In addition to comics, there are a few chapter books as well. Known as the Chronicles of the Avatar. Has books for Kyoshi, Yangchen, and Roku so far. The avatar wiki has a page that lists all the released books related to avatar (comics and otherwise).
Kyoshi novels is definitely the best place to start.
Are these books cannon or fanfictions?@@breenaj1095
When you fuk around so hard, Kyoshi personally shows up to make sure you find out.
I want to see island water benders in the future, I imagine a Polynesian water bender culture and I’m beyond here for it. I feel like I would 💯 be a water bender, however catch me at the beach water surfing not freezing to death at the north or South Pole lol
There were the swamp benders. They seemed horrified at the thought of living in ice and snow.
@@cjg8763 swamp bender a an island beach bender are not the same lol
@@MrNeilTV okay well you said you'd be on the beach and not freezing at the north or south pole and I'm saying there are already water benders out there not freezing at the north or south pole. They are in a warm swamp and seem horrified at the thought of freezing at the north or south pole.
Katara did water surfing on the beach, looks like fun.
@@cjg8763 did realize I signed up for the great debate, the internet…what a place.
The vocals at 6:36 onwards are so- moving to me. That mixed with that gorgeous artwork has a sense of ethereal adventure. I love it.
Fifth nation: You see, our plan is to..
Kyoshi: I'm gonna stop you right there
I could remember that a friend of avatar Kuruk, who was a air bender caused a powerful storm at sea that killed lots of people who came from the fifth nation, which resulted in the other air nomads stripping him of any future he could have with them as they were pacifists and not killers.
Honestly the "Earth Kingdom" just just a bunch of completely separate nations but the city of ba sing se claims to rule them all, and they just go along with it because they don't care.
Kyoshi out here stacking bodies and were finding out about it more and more.
Is this part of the history behind Kyoshi island? It was connected to the mainland of the earth kingdom once but its people all dress in water tribe blues. Except for the kyoshi warriors. The island is a mix of both earth and water.
No that happened later I think
It happened later. But I like the idea that they dress up in blue because of the water tribe influences
In the Avatar Kyoshi novels the 5th Nation are the villains Kyoshi fights in the opening chapters before she even discovers that she’s the Avatar. So this happened long before Chin the Conqueror. She was 16 and not even a fully realized Avatar yet
If that fifth nation was consisted by people of the Southern Water Tribe, and non benders and benders of the Earth Kingdom, that make it a fifth "State" and not a nation.
I’m currently reading the first Kyoshi book, she brought earth up from the sea floor and destroyed the iceberg they were all standing on. And that was before she knew she was the avatar.
I'm sorry? Earth Kingdom navy? That feels like an oxymoron.
whats an oxymoron
What about Fire Nation navy? That’s even more of one yet I don’t see people making a big deal.
@@chaotic7cam Warships setting things on fire is just what warships do. But the Earth Kingdom on the open ocean, far away from all earth is kinda hilarious.
Netflix: Write that down! WRITE THAT DOWN!!
Wait wasn't Kyoshi's airbending teacher the one that destroyed them?
I remember him getting the moniker "Typhoon" for how he tried handling them.
He took out a large chunk, but Kyoshi, Yun and Jianzhu fight Tagaka in the first major fight scene. After that the fleet disbands.
In my Avatar series fanfiction, i made a Continent located in the west of the Bending World AKA Earthrealm and Avatar universe, it is called Westalia. I know it is sounds stupid but this one is heavily based on European aesthetics and inspired to both Medieval Europe and early-modern Europe where an Expansionist Empire uses their own version of Bending known as Elemental Magic or Elemental Manipulation magic, on top of that there are so many diverse people based on both European and Middle-Eastern as well as a Japanese-inspired Shogunate country as well.
"Japanese-inspired" lol
Fire nation: :/
@@foisopracurtir6389
It only exist in my fanfiction you sicko.
@@foisopracurtir6389
It was on my DeviantART, basically they are the so-called Surviving Fifth Nation people and build their own country located in the western continents.
was that where the Swamp benders came from?
no .... those existed for 10.000 years
There is so much of avatar lore that came out after the original series that so clearly took inspiration from Vathara
I'm beginning to think that Kiyoshi is responsible for everything bad that happens in Avatar
I think the showmakers like to make a point of giving each avatar's actions unintended consequences. Each avatar did their best to achieve peace but the world will always balance that out. Kiyoshi lived so long tho so much is connected to her lmao
@@Brooke_Corbynmakes so much sense
A lot of the consequences came from kiyoshi
Also we should keep in mind that the Fifth Nation wasn't exactly a force of good. It was ran by Pirates who enslaved folks and pillaged Earth Kingdom ships. Heck they probably would still be around if they didn't try to betray a peace council between them and the Earth Kingdom by assassinating 'Avatar' Yun's waterbending teacher and attempting to kidnap him.
Idk man, putting a stop to pirates raiding your kingdom seems like a reasonable response.
A lot of these points are the same things John Lovell of Warrior Poet Society talks about in his book and general conversation. A lot of good points that im personally discovering there to be a certain amount of truth in these topics. Specifically, community and courage. I think community and the art of conversation are two major things that are dying that need to come back.
John also talks about purpose. He comes at it a little different, but i like it. Basically, man must wage war. If there is no actual war, then he must make war with himself. Get in the gym. Learn that new skill. Confront that issue that everyone ignores. Wage war with yourself, to BE a better self.
That concept alone has really helped me out the last few months
I notice that Kyoshi is a root problem to a lot of the problems in avatar. She had been avatar for over 200 years and was basically a god doing what she believed was right, strange how right after she’s gone the war starts or their even was talk of war. My belief is that the other nations were annoyed that they didn’t have an avatar of their own people for so long that a war like the fire nations was inevitable when she finally died. Didn’t help that Roku was to soft on Sozin. Just my belief on the matter
Her and Yangchen, if we're being real. It seems like whenever Earth or Air gets their shot in recent history, they always 🤬🤬🤬🤬 up so badly that Water or Fire (Roku) has to step up and clean their damn mess. Doesn't help that Kiyoshi compounded that by sticking around far longer than she should've.
@@oceanberserker Aang wasn't that bad, he had to clean Roku's messes at 12, but Kyoshi was around to long
@@TheJcjonesacp Who said anything about Aang? He's clean for the most part, it's those who showed up before him and Roku I give the side eye to.
@@oceanberserker you referenced recent history of earth and air leaving a massive mess for Fire and Water to clean up thought that included Aang
@@TheJcjonesacp Yeah, 'recent' meaning Yangchen and Kyoshi. Not 'RECENT recent' history.
Can we talk about how kyoshi allowed a dictator to conquer the whole earth kingdom outside of the wall and didn’t stop him until her town was threatened 😂
Poor magic portugal
This is like when Matt said, “We haven’t explored any of the underwater societies in Exandria yet.”
So did avatar Kyoshi commit genocide? How does an entire nation and culture just vanish?
He said it was a mix of benders and non so a person with abnormally high bending power just telling them to disband would have probably done a lot.
Kyoshi assisted in the wars that defeated them.
It wasn't really a war as they weren't really a nation. Instead it was a large pirate fleet that was gaining enough strength and numbers that they called themselves the Fifth Nation. They were essentially pillaging and enslaving folks on the Earth Kingdoms coast for decades before Kyoshi and company stopped them. Heck, saying Kyoshi did so herself is giving her more credit then she would allow, as she mainly was an important assist in the main battle, and ended up working to stop the fleet from being able to reform a few years later.
@@TreeFrogMCdestroying a culture is genocide, hombre
@@brookejon3695They were a pirate fleet raiding villages, not an actual civilization.
Kyoshi is the only one avatar who woke up and choose violence 'always'
Calling them a nation is maybe a bit much. They were a pirate fleet that got powerful enough for the already spread-out Earth Kingdom to declare them a threat. But it was more like a syndicate than a nation.
A nation is just a loose collection of people who sit on a patch of dirt and claim it's theirs. In what ways were they not a nation? Did they not have trade? Did they not have a government? Did they not claim land?
I think I remember reading the dark skinned, makeup wearing pirate was descended from these people. It's also explain some brown skinned characters in the Earth kingdom like Jet and Kai
Yeah Tagaka!
Don't forget Taliriktug!
@@powerpuff_avengeroop still not there yet… no spoilers shhh
@@Daofei_4life Oh I was just throwing that out there because of the former game. Avatar Generations got cancelled on Dec 2nd last year after less than a year. I loved playing it and that's where I encountered Pirate Queen Tagaka and Taliriktug and 2 other pirates. I have no idea how Taliriktug is involved, just stats just said 5th Nation, pirate and waterbender. :P
@@powerpuff_avenger oh
"Earth Kingdom Navy" sounds so oxymoronic
Somehow having water benders defeat an earth nation navy doesn't sound all that impressive 😂
This is actually a very good argument as to why the avatar should not exist. Why should one person be able to decide which nations are and aren’t allowed to exist?
The Fifth Nation was a bunch of pirates. They were not a legit nation.
We need an avatar in our world too.
Youve built up such a stable realm and powerful bases that whenever you move to a different location your liege instantly declares a holy war and expands asap
So chin the conqueror was from that nation?
Commenting so I'm here when the answer comes
No, he was actually from the north west regions.
~ Tim
@@HelloFutureMeIIRC he was allied with Kyoshi, or they had aligned interests and she let him run amok, when he conquered the Earth Kingdom. It was only when he turned on her that she had a problem.
Nation 5 had heart, ill give em that.
Source?
The novels
The books
The literature
Imagination
@@thelastbrickbender2139is there one about yangchen and pirates era,that sounds fun
damn, it would've been cool to see a thalassocracy in the world of Avatar
its really funny how noone can solve any problem without the avatar
It's a death bird that I cannot unsee.😅
This made me remember than there are 3 water tribes, those guys living in that swamp in the Earth Kingdom.
I never heard of this and didnt read the comments but it being kyoshi fits so perfectly even i saw it coming lol
I HIGHLY recommend the fic "Embers" (easily found on A03) it delves into SO MUCH (yes its AU and not canon, but it's actually *replaced* canon for me, so)
My favourite British tiktok star is the middle-aged woman yelling in the open window "WHAT ARE YEEE DOING LEAVING AN OPEN WINDOW"
Avatar Kyoshi really enforcing that "4 Nations Only" Rule like a boss. Good for her. 😂👍
It’s so funny that Avatar Kyoshi is essentially just THAT guy, essentially the Shaggy Doo at 1% power.
Kyoshi made everyone shiver back in the day😂😂😂
Yangchen: Fifth Nation
Aang: Republic City
Airbenders just trying to make it cohesive😆
This has the same energy as "we used to have more universes but we destroyed them"
This deserves a live action movie
ISTG Kuruk screwed the world up so bad the Kyoshi decided to steal like 80% of his lifespan so she could fix it again
It's heavily implied in the Kyoshi novels that the combination of her living so long, and micromanaging the nations so much to maintiain the status quo ultimately lead to the set of factors that started the Hundred Year War.
She kept the Earth Kingdom within their massive borders they couldn't properly control, put down Qin, stopped the Water Tribes with their better navy from seizing the islands as mentioned here, and kept the Fire Nation cooped up. This breed a lot of resentment, and so when she finally died and the next Avatar loosened their grip the strongest nation at that point(The Fire Nation) lashed out massively, and by that point the Earth Kingdom had grown corrupt and complacent due to their place being secure for so long, and the Water Tribes had turned insular after Kyoshi crushed their attempt to expand outward here.
While they would have been more wars in the short term without Kyoshi, there never would have been a massive genocide on the level of the Hundred Years War if things hadn't been locked in place so long
Any other Avatar: "dawg, you can't do that"
Kyoshi: So you have chosen, death
“Avatar Kyo-”
Yep that’s all i needed to hear
The earth kingdom having a navy is the craziest part of this short
“Earth Kingdom Navy” is funny as hell