Why MacBooks Don't Have Face ID
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Apple replaced Touch ID on iPhones with Face ID back in 2017. But MacBooks never received the feature. Which is surprising, since their notch is even bigger than an iPhone’s. So why hasn’t Apple used that space to include Face ID?
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It’s also weird that iMacs are thicker but also don’t have Face ID
what is the backround music you use for the videos?
Can you tal about the baseband issue
"since your hands are already on the keyboard" - Yes, I use my phone without my hands too...
saving it for an incremental update so you feel fomo over the last model
Standardized user interface for programmers.
Why was I literally thinking about This today?
Me too
Me too😅
Because you’ll know that Apple Explained is going to answer it.
Illuminati confirmed.
Because it's a common thing to wonder
The best thing about Touch ID on Macs is the easy user switching which is very easy and seamless.
I mean it would be the same case for face id right?
I am talking for one person having 2 fingers registered to different user account
@@veiledobserver Your always looking at your laptop in similar direction. It’s not like you use your laptop half open.
@@veiledobserverFace id doesnt really care about the angle. My iPad is like on the other end of the desk and always sees my face
I don’t get it? How does user switching correlate to Touch ID? 😅
I’m sorry I haven’t ever used more than one user on a MacBook.
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TouchID is cheaper to include. That’s why the iPhone SE has it
honestly tho, I'm glad I found this comment before I said anything about the ipad pro having it
iPad Pro is thicker They have the space to put it in.
Try to read the parent comment again
@@kaasbaas9532 Why?
Well, on the Studio Display there would be enough depth.
That would be logical given the iphone chip inside but this would make already stupidly expensive studio display even more expensive.
@@IgorLeont I think it costs that much because Apple **wants** it to cost that much, 5K resolution isn't new tech (9 years old) and somehow the price is still insane and costs more than a whole iMac? I think if it was $900 - 1K and they removed the A13 with mediocre camera, mic and maybe even speakers then it'd be a better deal, though since only like 2 other companies even bother with 5K (Dell and Samsung who probably sell more 4K units) it doesn't seem like Apple is incentivized to make changes with it.
Ok but why is the notch so big on the MacBook?
To make it look ugly, thus making it stand out.
Standardized user interface for programmers.
To boost surface pro sales
They think its part of their design language and to be more recognizable
@@ElueeHDDoesnt seem to work lol
The faceID module in iPhones is not 7.8mm thick (most of that thickness is camera / battery / board). The dot projector is like 3-4mm, and a camera is just a camera. The existing FaceID dot matrix on an iPhone 12, which is cubish-shaped, could probably be spread out a bit. Lasers are notoriously tricky tho.
Thanks for teaching us about this! I always like watching your videos
I honestly think that only the MacBook Pro should have Face ID. The MacBook Air will retain Touch ID.
I don’t want a thick lid. My PowerBook g4 is very thick and I don’t want new ones to be that thick
If it breaks, that will be 2599$ please
@@gandalfwiz20007 🤣
@@MinerManDouglasmore sturdy if it’s thicker. I don’t like flimsy screens. I’ve heard of MacBook Air screen cracking if u put in too much force on the notch part.
That’s how it is on the iPad Air lol
I was literally looking forward to this video, and it finally went up!
Another reason for no FaceID -- if you dock your MacBook and use it with an external monitor; TouchID can be incorporated into the external keyboard, whereas FaceID would be hidden inside the closed MacBook. (Of course, I'm sure Apple would sell you a very costly external monitor with FaceID....
So just incorporate FaceID inside the Apple's monitor.
Use the pin code instead on those conditions?
I'm also one of those people with a post-it note over the camera, so touch id for me.
So... Use Face ID with Macbook standalone and Touch ID on a keyboard when docked cuz its already provivev with apple keyboard.... Whoa....
That’s not a reason for no Face ID, this is just a situation when Face ID is not usable
Thank you for this great video
Apple: Mr. Boger said Touch ID is more convenient on a laptop since your hands are already on the keyboar.
Me: So you’re saying my face isn’t already in front of the camera? [insert mike wazowski meme]
This channel is awesome! Thank you for answering all of my useless apple questions! You’re earned a new sub!
If Windows hello IR Cameras can fit in the XPS 13 Plus display then Apple can get a FaceID Module in a MacBook, being able to lift the lid of a laptop and instantly being signed in before your hands even hit the keyboard is brilliant
For real. It's so convenient. Especially for me since I have some fingertip scars so fingerprint sensors can be iffy.
i dont get curious about these questions until apple explained puts out a video explaining them
They have several other options.
1. Camera bump lol.
2. Put the structured light projector somewhere else.
Could reflect it off the screen or something
Camera bump would get a lot of criticism, as well as ruin the aesthetic, and putting the light projector where the keyboard is would make it half as convenient, since you need to intentionally move and tilt your head.. As much as I hate apple for just being cheap and sticking with touch id, it kinda makes sense..
Camera bump would look dreadful
@@atticustay1 fr how would it close
how would it close
Man Greg….another one I didn’t really think about. Might’ve heard this elsewhere, but good for those not really up on Apple tech news. And just a good video overall. 👍🏾
Your channel do not disappoint on scale of ridiculousness
0:47 These things mentioned are not included in the 7.8mm, they are the in the camera bump / utilize the camera bump.
The crucial factor overlooked regarding the impracticality of Face ID on MacBooks is the inconsistent alignment of your face with the screen. This issue arises when individuals place their laptops on stands alongside their primary screens, requiring head-turning towards the MacBook. External screen users sometimes also closes the MacBook lid. Also, situations where one is standing up next to the laptop placed on a table result in the screen not being at eye level upon waking the computer.
I had face ID/unlock on my surface book, was a nice feature. Could work from about 3ft away, angle was wide enough. I also used my Surface Book on a dock.
@@Victor-ze3sd Exactly. Microsoft and other PC manufacturers have Windows Hello figured out. What cant Apple.
I mean, if you close your Macbook you also lose access to TouchID
Everything else stands true, tho
I think Apple's FaceID is good enough to overcome all those challenges.
@@eliwhitney852windows hello is trash tho compared to real face ID
Great video as usual ❤
I respectfully disagree. If we look at the Windows side, the facial recognition with Windows Hello is fantastic. By the time I've opened the lid fully, it's already logged me in. It works in bright light and in the pitch darkness since it uses infrared.
The Dell XPS 15/ 17 has an even smaller bezel than an MBP and no thicker of a lid, but still manages to fit the full infrared camera system. I know Apple can do better, they just don't want to apparently.
Windows hello works less secure - its just camera with infared lighters. FaceId is lidar + camera + infared lighters
Wh is t rash
@@user-gi4qu9do2vyes but The solid State LIDAR Sensors they are using are thinner than a coin
@@user-gi4qu9do2v this is strictly not true. FaceID and Windows Hello both use Infrared dots to get a 3d imprint of the face. Arguably, they are both a form of lidar but it’s not really classified as lidar. What is lidar is the sensor on the back of iPhone cameras for depth detection.
@@user-gi4qu9do2v still doesn't mean they can't fit it in the macbook, they are just being the normal apple and not including common things until decades later
I completely forgot to consider the depth issue. I’ve been wondering about this for a long while now.
Question: If the face id modules depth dimensions is only 2,5mm according to amazon, how can you say it won’t fit comparing the size to an Iphone bares no ground screen, board, back camera all sandwiched together?
I have always wondered about this.
very cool... also whats the song thats playing in the background? kinda reminds me of super mario galaxy and hit me with nostalgia lol
So interesting I was thinking about this thank you I was just googling this
Could face id be used in the iMac or studio display?
But that doesn't explain why the notch is so wide if it is only having a webcam and a led, unless i'm missing something here
Standardized user interface for programmers.
It’s a design option and Apple’s vision identity, they made the display 16:10 for this exactly reason
@@icroosinga design option to butcher a perfect rectangular 😂
@@icroosinga vision identity?? If it's the case, it is pure madness, or evil.
its got sensors
You could make a camera bump on the lid and add a groove under the trackpad for it
Great video! I think it is very creditable that you always try to present many different viewpoints of a topic.
Surely the thin lid of a MacBook poses a technical challenge accommodating Face ID. But as said in the video, I also truly believe that Touch ID fits the MacBook or rather its usecase much better. Confirming important actions will always require a physical verification - that being the press of a button. A attention check (open eyes) is not enough. Therefore TouchID works just fine, since you will press the key anyway. In fact it is even better when taking into consideration that the viewing angle to your MacBook will vary more than to your iPhone - it sounds paradoxical but actually is that way. Also, I am using my MacBook in clamshell mode. And boy am I happy about a separate keyboard with TouchID on it. While it certainly is possible that Apple is working on integrating FaceID in a MacBook, I think that they like to use the notch more for brand recognition. Features like unlocking with nearby devices (Apple Watch) and TouchID are more convient on a MacBook. From a technical point of view I could see a dualism coming, where Apple implements both alongside each other. Although the reasoning and marketing would be a bit strange to sell... by the way windows hello is a camera based setup and there fore far less secure. Time will tell what happens next... surely the Apple Vision Pro with OpticID will bring a lot of know-how to the topic. Apple will bring it to the MacBook when they feel it is worth it (and cheap and good enough).
Will the midnight color be a MacBook Air exclusive ?
Next MacBook:
Apple: today we’re introducing Face ID on our new MacBooks! (Along with Touch ID !)
Noticed more American UA-camrs using metric in their videos. Thank you for that.
As an American, I wish we'd convert already. Everything from cooking to woodworking is just harder with Imperial measurements! After a few weeks or years we'd all feel "intuitive" about metric measurements including temperature and speed.
Biggest question why they don't feature Dynamic Island instead the solid notch and by the way why vision pro does not use Magsafe instead of wire low capacity battery pack..
Hello dude, you've missed out the captions to be added!
How if TSMC kan reduce the size of censor for Face ID component. I believe TSMC can provide the innovations
If they make the lid thicker they should also bring back the glowing apple logo this time with separate diffused LEDs like on the HomePod mini.
whats the background music called?
Yes please make a video on how you make this video
They could probably do it if they went with a squared design for the next MacBooks with a fully flat underside and display back and in that case the display could be 4-5 mm thick because of the lack of the bulge on the back of the display.
thanks for let thing nos know why
They could design in a rear bump. They done seem to have a problem “bumping” the iPhone camera.
I do sometimes wish it had face recognition but I'm fine with touchid so I guess we'll take it.
Could you please explain why the iPhone doesn't have a fingerprint sensor, doesn't have a clipboard and also copied text were stored in Ram and will disappear after a few minutes or reboot, please?
There are many Windows laptops with a thin design and have face ID technology similar to that of Apple's very own FaceID which are approved under Microsoft's Windows Hello. Granted it may not be as fast or as secure as industry standard FaceID, many companies have already engineered something with minimal bezel.
I know this is not the video but. Am want to asking about the iCloud is a email it ID can someone explain please?
And yet there are many Windows laptops having Windows Hello to authenticate a user using the face, while the screen lid remains thin (althrough not as much as MacBook ones)
Windows hello is Face-recognition. Face ID uses true-depth camera that scans and map your face.
@@anthonyarcenas576 Some Windows laptops (such as Asus Zenbook Pro Duos) has IR cameras for depth recognition.... some others only relies on 2D Cameras (much less secure)
@@anthonyarcenas576 Actually windows hello uses the same depth sensors in laptops to achieve its facial recognition. If your laptop doesn't have an IR sensor in addition to its camera, you will not be able to use windows hello facial recognition. Although apple calls their IR camera a "true-depth" sensor which is purely a marketing term.
@@anthonyarcenas576 no, windows hello does not utilize the camera, it uses the 3d infared sensor to make 3d model of your face, you can cover up the camera or use it in pitch black and it will work perfectly each time.
I’m waiting for Face ID and dynamic island for the MacBook Pro before I upgrade my mac
Just imagine it they put a bump on the lid by the camera to accommodate more space for all the necessary sensors for face ID.
As much as I love Face ID on the iPhone and iPad Pro, I’m ok with Touch ID on the MacBook. Face ID would be incredible, but Touch ID still works very reliably and is super quick.
I literally ever thought of this
I agree with most of the points made except for the excerpt commenting about TouchID being easier since your hands are already on the keyboard. FaceID is definitely easier because it requires absolutely no action on the user's part to authenticate. It's completely seamless.There are rumours that there's a patent for implementing FaceID on a Mac, so we'll see how that goes. But imo, we either have FaceID, or no notch. Either way, the notch must go.
Don't forget that Windows Hello IR fits in the Dell XPS lid which is just as thin. The argument that FaceID can't fit in the MacBook lid just falls flat.
Simple. Put the scanners in the bottom part of the laptop just above the keyboard. The screen could indicate for you to look near the bottom.
They could have made the lid a bit thicker for Face ID to fit I wouldn't mind at all
My Apple Watch auto unlocking my MacBook every time: 🗿
And yet, ‘Windows Hello’ accomplishes it just fine.
Why Not in studio displays then ?
I really like your videos, but I just don't agree with the depth thing you mention. If Apple really wanted to include FaceID on MacBooks, they could have found a better way to fit it into a 3mm depth, although completely resize FaceID components to be less thick, they could have done that if they wanted to.
I’m still waiting for Apple to make it so the onscreen keyboard doesn’t come up when you have a keyboard attached via the Smart Connector. Maybe afterward they could let you use the arrow keys to move around within the text… I man can only dream though.
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Why not in the iMac?
If you want to know why Macbooks have 'large' notch, is because without it the top bezel will be thick, look at intel 2020 macbook air or pro and they also have to put sensors inside as well, its not as simple as dumping the face id module from the iPhone into the Macbook, if you think it is, I would like to see you build one.
One technical problem with implementing Face ID in the Mac is that there's not necessarily a clear signal to trigger it. For an iPhone, it's easy, as it can detect you picking up your phone, and then activate Face ID. Sure, if your MacBook has a closed lid, and you open it, that bit is fine
Windows' facial recognition is fantastic. Apple should copy their implementation.
@@gabrielulibarri9950but Microsoft’s facial recognition isn’t that secure and can be unlocked by a picture. Face ID scans ur face as a 3d object and sees if it’s you or not.
Entonces hay de 2 apple si lo poner pero muy en el futuro o solo puso ese corte en la pantalla para fastidiar con esta tendencia de tener el mismo diseño por 3 años
There's a lot of comments here adding software points on top of the physical limitations that prevent the implementation of Face ID, which are simply not true. Yes, you can't cram present-day Face ID hardware into either MacBook Air or Pro's monitor due to the shallow depth, but Microsoft has had Windows Hello - their camera-based facial recognition setup - figured out for nearly a decade at this point on a lot of their Surface hardware. My partner's 2015 Surface Book recognizes them and them alone each time they open the screen or lock the screen, walk away, and come back to make eye contact. Apple's Face ID would be a lot more secure than Microsoft's camera-based setup, so if given the physical ability to install it, I guarantee they already know how to implement the execution.
or only make that part a bit thicker?
I honestly thought it was for security like if you were to get a virus someone could hack ur webcam and analyze your face even better😅 or even a sketchy website could use it in a malicious intent
So why the huge notch?
That makes more sense
The Dell XPS 13, which has a super thin screen, has full FaceID features. Could you explain that, @AppleExplained
I don't see why they couldn't implement the Face ID sensors where the keyboard is. Face ID works just fine at an angle on the iPhone.
iPad Pros? Not as thin, but comparable!
And, Windows Hello left the chat!😂
Yeah it's 25% thinner than iPhone, I don't get it why he didn't set iPad Pro as the example instead of iPhone 15
In my case (and face) Touch ID has been always more reliable than Face ID. Kinda miss it on iPhone.
What About the iPad Pro? I know it’s not as this as the MacBook lid but it’s thinner than the iPhone.
Just make a bump on the front and deep the bottom part.
Why Apple don't have 8k support product.
Iphone first to adopt 4k recording but still lacks 8k .
Pro xdr display is still support 6k and at a cost of 2 OLED 8k tv .
Its mostly because of apples marketing. They create monitors based off of a specific pixel density and not overall resolution. They also price these monitors at unnecessarily high prices and justify it through snake oil marketing.
An OLED 8k TV is double the price of the Pro XDR display, isn’t as color accurate, and is significantly dimmer, making it bad for editing and viewing things in HDR.
Even when the tech gets thin enough, I'd still rather use Touch ID
So it would be nice to give u the option, or just not include Face ID at all on Macs.
what about putting multiple cameras to have better quality like they litteraly do on the iphones back ?
why there's no product red iphone 15? ;o
this didnt stop windows from including facial recognition on laptops with 4mm thick lids though. my Lenovo Slim 7 2023 is proof
im inclined to think this is just a classic Apple milking move
I guess that the main problem is: for a iPhone when you lift you phone, it's a trigger to FaceID starts to recognize, or when you touch the screen. But on a Mac, you don't have this kind of interaction, so you've to press a key to trigger to FaceID, so it would be redundant since if you need to press a key to unlock, why not just press the Touch ID key?
You can say that the trigger must be when you open the lid, but usually the mac is still open when you interact with it.
But anyways, even with you open the lid and unlock the mac, you will have to press a key to get your desktop.
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I just realized it actually makes sense that there’s no Face ID on the MacBook. Just remember the times when you install software or stuff runs that requires admin confirmation. When you get the Touch ID prompt, you actually have the chance to deny the action. Well, with Face ID, it would skip the confirmation box before you even have the chance to read it and auto confirm every action, even the unwanted ones. So Touch ID is safer and makes more sense on the MacBooks.
that is why windows laptops don't have Windows Hello Facial Recognition systems which uses same IR sensors and illuminators (alomst like FaceID), yeah now I totally got it.
External keyboards can have touch ID but not face ID. So when you use your MacBook with an external monitor and the MacBook closed you can only use touch ID or you‘re stuck with typing in your password
Yeah why the notch?
How come windows laptops come with Face ID?
Then why is the notch so big?
Standardized user interface for programmers.
@@tonyburzio4107 could you stop replying that, its not true
If they want to use Face ID on a Mac it doesn’t hurt to use the ir camera that windows hello uses. But I guess apple doesn’t want to have different systems for the same purpose
I just use my Apple Watch to unlock and it’s actually awesome. Especially when I have my MacBook plugged into display
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The MacBook Pros should get both! But I‘m okay with only Touch ID on my Pro 2018 13,3 inch one 😊
Yeah but why is this damn notch so big then?...
If that’s so, then why are the banks security cameras still low quality?
i don't think the Thickness is A problem . the reasong Iphone is thicker is because the Logic board under the Screen and Front Camera, and thats where the thickness mostly come from. Face Id use TrueDepth camera (basically just IR), So its only a A Camera module. all of the Processing is on the CPU, not the Camera Module It self.
dont windows laptop have face id?