Peter Hitchens: Why you should NOT vote Reform
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Peters is afraid that voting Reform will draw votes away from the Tories. I believe voting for the Tories will draw away votes from Reform.
It’ll draw seats away from Labour also, Sunderland is just one example 👍🏻
Would you care to take a bet on how many seats Reform will get?
18 so far
I used to respect you Mr Hitchens, but asking us to vote for a failed Tory government when we know Labour are going to win any way because”better the devil you know”sentiment is crass.
If you really want change from the binary choice, then voting Reform in large numbers is the only way to get it.
Probably 10 or less. I think everyone who is sane knows the first past the post system is completely outdated and it's exceptionally difficult to break through as a smaller / newer party. Works against the people as they think their vote does not count. Has to change@@SmileyEmoji42
The Tories must be replaced by a patriotic party.
Not reform racists
@@zog97xy Reform only. All other parties are for mad hatters.
Even in your wildest fantasies, you cannot believe that Reform will win a significant number of seats, and, when Labour win, you will have achieved nothing but increasinhg the time that Labour are in power
Unfortunately Reform UK are not patriotic.
@@zog97xy racists? what do you mean?
Me, my 93 year old Mum and her 100 year old friend have just voted REFORM via our postal votes!! We had no choice as no alternative trustworthy parties in Scotland!
Convid opened my eyes as an ex SNP member!! #complicit
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Bravo Scottish family ❤💪🏾
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Same. Already voted Reform 🇬🇧
Well done girls.
Good ghirl
People who woted tories shuold just vote Reform. Tory-party is finished. Period.
What odds are you offering on that? because I'm pretty sure that Reform will win a handful of seats at most and you'll just be increasing the length of the Labour rule
@@SmileyEmoji42 Still, I'm voting with my heart this time, I'm voting Reform.
@@sandyno1089 Keir Starmer thanks you for voting with your heart.
Would you support a government that ignored reality and governed "with their heart"?
If ever there was a time for favouring head over heart, an electioin is that time.
@@SmileyEmoji42Starmer will hate facing Farage in the HOC. Farage will finish him.
@@SmileyEmoji42 My head says vote Reform too, and my body and soul also.
I'm sorry, but you don't get to bang on about how the Tory's need to be destroyed for years and then get upset when people actually try to do it. Also, Hitchen's in his usual condescension doesn't take any responsibility for this. He has influenced and inspired a lot of young people, who are now heading towards Reform and are trying to act out what he has been advocating for.
To be fair, he's also talked about zigging and zagging at election time.
I agree. He said labour and conservatives are like two corpses propping each other up. One of them has to be destroyed so something new can emerge. When it starts to happen he changes his mind. He is an odd fellow.
Agree to a point. But I can see why it bothers Hitchens (from his perspective), because he’s a traditional conservative.
Reform and Farage are pretty neo-liberal Thatcherite (people wrongly assume she was conservative. She was not. At all. She happened to be in the Conservative Party) in quite a radical way. Radical change is the antithesis of Hitchens.
Absolutely, tories are dung so we should stick with dung nit very inspiring Peter
"'m sorry, but you don't get to bang on about how the Tory's need to be destroyed for years and then get upset when people actually try to do it."
Yes he rightfully does. He's perfectly consistent. He still wants to destroy the Tories, but regards Starmer as a price worse than Brown was.
There's no party worth voting for except Reform. What's he on about? Tories and Labour are two cheeks of the same arse.
Not with Starmer in charge. Starmer’s government is an unknown and from the clues we have it will be worse for us than the Tories have been.
You just quoted George Galloway .... why not vote for his party?
You will see the difference after next Thursday.
And reform is the hole in the centre
Farage is a private educated city trader and millionaire. Same side of the same coin. Wake up
Don't agree with Hitchens. Need to take the short term pain and vote Reform
I usually agree with Hitchens, but this time I think he's lost the plot. I'm voting Reform.
yes. a clear out is needed.
The "short term pain" is the way to a better political landscape long term. Its about time we had a decent opposition ready to hold MP's to account over their truly reckless and obviously corrupt and immoral policies.
Christopher was a better Hitchens imo
@@sandyno1089 Peter Hitchens was always an Establishment gatekeeper.
Vote Reform. A vote for Tories OR Labour will keep us heading towards disaster.
A vote for Tories or Labour is worse than a wasted vote. It is a vote to actively empower the enemy.
Don’t waste your vote on the Tories!
Don't waste your vote on Labour either, vote with the landslide, vote Reform.
Nonsense. Reform will at best only take a 12% share of the vote, translating into one seat if it's lucky.
A vote for Reform is a vote for a Labour government.
This just isn't true, mate.
Reform is a Hard Right party (I am personally Hard Right myself). That is why disgruntled Tories are voting for them as well as 100,000s of anti-immigrant voters, right?
The Tory party contains three wings: Centre-Right, Right-Wing, Hard Right. Most of the Hard Right have gone to Reform according to polling data.
In the UK right-wing voters are outnumbered by left-wing voters: that's why the Left can afford to split the vote and still win landslides. The RIGHT on the other hand cannot win an election unless they all UNITE. And even then - they need the UK's swing voters mostly voting for them: they vote lib-dem//labour/conservative so are MODERATES, CENTRISTS and obv. wouldn't touch Reform. Moderate floating voters are 33% of the country.
The entire reason the Tories moved too much to the centre is to keep those moderate voters. They went too far. And have learnt their lesson now. BUT only the Tory party can unite ALL the above. Reform will never get most of the right wing vote or the centrists. Reform are a read-on-arrival party.
So Voting Reform is voting for Labour. That's the cold reality. People need to get out of their echo chamber. Most of the country just DON'T CARE about immigration - I disagree with them, but that's the reality of the polling.
We’re short circuiting the BS Pete and voting in Reform … deal with it
Racists
@@zog97xy Why, because we don't like Labour or Conservative, nothing racist about that.
@@zog97xyI like being called that buzz word 😂
Reform UK will get a handful of seats , if lucky , and won’t change anything apart from ensuring Labour get a big majority . They will not be the opposition and will have minimal to zero impact on large Labour government Nigel will get bored and will be off like a shot if Trump gets in and he can secure a position with him . We could have tried to stop Labour by trying to get a Conservative minority or a Conservative hung parliament . Voting Reform UK to punish the Conservatives is cutting of your nose to spite your face !
We're all going to have to deal with your angry, emotional choice to vote reform when Labour get their super majority and begin REAL ethnic replacement immigration which never happened under the Tories (you were tricked by Farage). Every Labour MP is going to do real harm to their local areas, especially with illegal migrants who will INCREASE under Labour.
I find it impossible to take Peter seriously. I haven't forgotten how he made a big deal about not getting the jab... then got the jab. 🙄
He made a big deal about locking the economy down for the best part of two years while at the same time printing billions of pounds for something that was essentially end of life. Anti-jabbers and people who object to partygate are usually those that happily went along with it all, because they fancied a holiday or something, but they want something to feel some angst towards post-covid.
People are allowed to change their minds given new information. However, people with big platforms should be held to higher standards for public opinions that persuade large groups of individuals to follow suite.
@@goodgrief888 He didn't change his mind based on 'new information'. He wrote an entire article about taking the jab in The Mail On Sunday. He said he took the jab with 'a heavy heart' because he didn't want to be denied the right to travel.
@@goodgrief888 He didn't change his mind because of new information though. He simply wasn't prepared to be exluded from venues or travelling. He openly admitted that much at least.
@@coneyisland4568 Well at least he was honest about it. To be honest, I got the jab in order to be able to get on a plane and visit my terminally ill Mother. So I can’t really blame him for that. I also suffered an injury due to that decision. But I still don’t see how I could have made any other decision at the time given the circumstances. Maybe he had other choices, but I didn’t feel like I did.
Definitely REFORM for me now.
Bravo! Children of the U.K., unite. The world will be a better place.
Voting Conservative is a vote for Labour
And a vote for labour is a vote for Islam this is why people our voting reform uk enough is enough
Reform 🇬🇧
A vote for Reform is a vote for Reform.
@@Woden-96 Arabic Definition: HIDJAR: No Muslim can occupy a political position in any non-Islamic govt unless it is to secretly sabotage, subvert and infiltrate with other Muslims until Muslims are in the majority.
Research the current views and opinions, trends in your own constituency - who is more likely/possible to win- if the Conservatives, particularly if an incumbent has a chance of winning then consider Peter's advice. In this situation a vote for Reform would be assisting Labour.
We can't just keep voting for the same two parties over and over. Nothing will ever change.
How do you expect a minority party to change anything?
Lib Dems had a go a at being the minority in a coalition and their members punished them for it. The size of swing that you are dreaming of cannot possibly happen
It's about being realistic. Reform has no regional heartland where it can win many constituent seats--like Lib, Lab, Con. It'll be lucky to win even *one* seat. A vote for Reform is a vote for Labour.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 A vote for Reform is not a vote for Labour except if its a vote that might otherwise have had a realistic chance of getting an alternative MP elected. If your constituencycurrently has a Labour MP it is never going to swing to the right, Reform or otherwise.
1) Vote for any party that you dislike less than Labour if they have the most realistic chance of winning your constituency.
2) Vote with your heart if (1) does not apply - Your vote won't make an electoral difference but may hav e a miniscule influence on things going forwards.
Note that 1 does not include voting Reform in a Conservative seat - This would, almost certainly, require a 100% conversion of Conservative to Reform voters, which is unrealistic.
@@SmileyEmoji42Why would anybody vote for a party that they do not agree with? If there's no party where your vote would be applicable, then don't vote. Choosing to be at the mercy of a less evil government is stupid.
I'm not british but from what I've seen all these years with a tory government the UK still have the pride flags on police cars, the diversity quotas, getting rid of white men in the RAF, immigration is the highest it's ever been and so on... How were they any different from a labor government?
Great question and one I was pondering only this morning!
How? They are not. Just two cheeks of the same arse!
Don’t let then shit on you!
They're different because Blair let in less people and was tougher on crime than our current lot. Labour is also actually led by someone British.
Not a single argument against voting Reform.
He did. You just don't agree and that's ok.
Didn't he write a book about the need for the Tory party to die?
Yes, and he's never changed his position. Totally consistent.
Yeah but I'm starting to think this is Peter Hitchens all over, I reckon if he dropped his morning toast and it landed butter side up on the floor he'd flip it over anyway.
Pathological malcontent.
He never meant it. He's now shown his true colours when it may actually happen.
@@mind76 I was thinking of that as well. Hopefully the Tories come third or fourth and can't even form an opposition.
@@mind76 In Canada the Tories of the 1980s and 90s lost all but two seats and effectively ceased to exist in 1993.
I don't know if the Libs can beat the Tories and form opposition but I hope like hell they do.
A child would go on and on and on interminably, incessantly , ad nauseam about wanting to destroy the Tory Party and then when the opportunity to do so came along would then go 'I've changed my mind now'. That's what a child would do. An attention seeking child.
He also changed his mind on the Mystery Juice
@@jeffsimon9594That was pathetic,
'I don't want it, but I'm scared if I don't take it, I won't be able to travel'
Few months later they lifted the travel restrictions anyway....
But even if they hadn't, you had doctors and nurses prepared to walk away from a career that took them years to build,
But Peter was worried about his holiday plans...
He's a low IQ clown. Anyone can criticise all day, truly able people step up and do things.
Children are the exact ones voting for the Reform COMPANY (it's not even a real party). Hitchens has explained his position very well, he said he only wanted it destroyed after Major and before Cameron won. You should listen. he's telling you the truth.
Reform cannot mathmatically win because they don't appeal to centrists (and the Tories are only in this mess because they appealed TOO MUCH to centrists). Moderate swing voters who would NEVER vote Reform are 33% of the country. That's why Reform are dead-on-arrival.
Politics isn't a game. It's not a sport. Voting Reform IS VOTING FOR LABOUR, facts do not care about our feelings. Voting Reform - which means Labour - means REAL ethnic replacement immigration designed to reproduce, not the temporary one-off immigration that the Tories did to fix the NHS which has a unique sudden worker shortage due to brexit and covid. No one voted for lesser immigration at the expense of the NHS and care-sectors, or unis.
Get out of the echo chamber, Most of the country don't even care about immigration.
people are done with the Tories.
Reform may very well get the non-voters back to the ballot box. Plus take the Tory votes
And some of the Labour vote too! Labour are all about the airy fairy purple hair gang but have betrayed their traditional voters
The Tories gave us Brexit and contrary to the Remainer liars, Brexit is going really well. But all those hard-worked trade deals that the TORIES made - the real hard work that Farage couldn't care less about - are going to be thrown out under Starmer. And he will reverse Brexit, the only question is does he do it in his first year so he dodges political fallout, or does he slowly do it.
Still voting REFORM! You will not dissuade us from voting for them, try as hard as you like!!
Well good luck with the large majority Labour government you have enabled …plonker
That's exactly the way a child thinks. Well done. Are all creey reform voters like this?
Voting for anyone but the Tories is the only way Tories will win zero seats
ZERO SEATS? So all those TORIES who did the HARD GRAFT to make BREXIT work (from new trade deals to re-writing 100,000s of new regulations), they all have to lose their seats now? Why. They did nothing wrong. They did the REAL WORK whilst Farage just sat their making $$$ in America. Some people have no honour. Englishmen don’t attack their own.
The Tories are finished. If they had any decency they would stand down and allow Reform to prevent a Liebour landslide.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein. Vote Reform 🇬🇧
Zero seats for the elites!
How are they elites? lol.
All those TORIES who did the HARD WORK to make BREXIT work (from new trade deals to re-writing 100,000s of new regulations), they all have to lose their seats now? Why. They did nothing wrong. They did the REAL WORK whilst Farage just sat their making $$$ in America. Some people have no honour. The Tories will be happy to leave power, they make more money OUT OF POLITICS than in - maybe they think you deserve to CHOKE on Starmer lol. Voting Reform screws ALL OF US.
Politics isn't a sport or game.
Vote Reform. Build a counter- revolutionary movement. Take the country back.
I will be voting Reform, we have nothing to lose
Racists
@@zog97xy Why, for disliking the Tories and labour🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@zog97xy Your chip needs replacing
@@zog97xypeodphile
He's determined to be a contrarian, whatever it takes.
The Catty Hitchens brothers. Contrarian for the sake of being above the normies.
No, he's maintained a steady position since 2003.
@@ianinkster2261 Lol
please save us and vote Reform !
I'm voting Reform UK 🇬🇧
Me too.
Respect his view but he's very wrong.
Vote reform. Tories stand down.
he aint wrong about Labour.
Vote Reform if only to irritate the insufferably vain Hitchens.
I agree, he is pompous and vastly overrated.
Daft reason.
Everyone else in the country is wrong, Peter is right 😂
Full of HIMSELF vote REFORM and F*CK HIM 🐂💩🐂💩
unfortunately the Tories are indistinguishable from Labour and would not even be a meaningful opposition
Vote reform, not the parties that are loyal to the WEF
Thank you Peter, so Reform it is 👍 ..... and now I know im a 68 year old child, so be it!
Peter helped clinch it for me, Reform all the way, from a 58 year old child !
Vote Reform they have told us what they are going to do
I disagree....Reform all the way!
Let all tories stand down and let Reform win.
VOTE REFORM
Zero seats
18 seats, second largest vote
@@JamesSmith-cm7sgNonsense. It's not the amount of votes but parliamentary seats that count. Even the Lib Dems will take more seats than Reform because Liberal Heartlands have multiple constituent seats.
VOTE REFORM FOR A REVOLUTION. THE TIME IS NOW.
... they kept going on about 'The Great Reset'..so let's ..king well give them one!
Hes losing it
It must be side effects of the jab.😂
@@CumbriaPreaching 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But he is "the official biographer of Britain's demise" and "has been telling people this thing for the past 20 years". 😉😉🤣🤣
Reform 🇬🇧
Please don’t listen to him, vote Reform!
There is no other alternative for ordinary working class people.
TORYS ARE FINISHED, WE KNOW IT HE KNOWS IT. VOTE REFORM.100%.!!
I usually agree with Hitchens, but he's like my dad. He'd rather a problem remain than be solved because of all the joy he gets from whinging about it.
haha,thats not far off the truth.Ive often thought Ive seen a glint in his eye when talking about the demise of this and that
Vote Reform. Labour or Tory will screw the country.
Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better. Tories delunda est
I'm voting Reform 🇬🇧 🚀 💥 💪🏾
I just don't understand Peter. Does he really want another 5 years of Tory just to keep Labour out? And then in 5 years Labour win anyway? They are terrible. Labour are terrible. Aaarrrggghh, What a mess! Reform deserve a chance. I will vote for them.
Funny it's called Unheard because no one is listening to Hitchens and his forever ranting !
A Labour government every so often is a good thing as it serves to remind people how s**t they are.
Vote REFORM 🇬🇧
14 years of declining living standards under the Tories but somehow its a labour government we should be afraid of?
Theres nowhere else to go. I like their policies, I don't agree with Labour or the Tories to vote for either.
Hitchens could argue that changing circumstances mean a changed approach but he seems to think that if the Tories win and keep Labour out of office that this isn´t merely kicking the can down the road. If the Tories were re-elected, they would continue the Blair project admittedly at a slower rate than Labour, but Labour would eventually come to power and any alternative conservative voice, which Reform represent, although not perfect, would be finished. He also contradicts himself saying vote for who you think best, but vote tactically. Finally, and this is the one where I think he needs taking to task on, for the last 5 years he has been saying he no longer tries to shape events but merely records them as an obituarist: if this is so, butt out!
Hang on a minute.
Why do they keep saying that a vote for reform is a vote for Labour?
The fact is, a vote for Labour is a vote for Labour.
The answer is not vote Tory, the answer is not don’t vote reform, the answer is simple - don’t vote Labour!
tories and labour are two cheeks of the same arse.
If they told you what they were gonna do you would never vote for them.
Never a truer word. 👍
Applies wayyyyyyy more to reform, and you know it, or should sense it
Vote to save the uk vote reform !
@@BrianPaterson-f3i ironic that. If reform get in, one of the first things to happen will be Scottish separation. It would be the final straw.
Peter your argument is don’t vote labour, not to vote for Tory. Too late, we want change.
Vote Reform. Some seats hopefully this time but importantly building vote share for next. This guy ain't his brother.
Don't matter one iota which group of puppets is in office they don't make the decisions.
"Voting is not civic duty" 1.26..... Nice one Peter. Keep status quo, or better yet let hot heads on left and right vote while rest of us should shrug shoulders and keep on saying oh well.
The government treats me like a child. They constantly tell me what to say, how to think and how to behave. I will therefore be voting like a child.
Good for you! I will join you in the playground and be voting the same way!
Vote REFORM.
What the UK needs is a massive change if it is not to go under badly, as it continues to do under the Tories and will do even quicker under Labour. If Reform stand any chance of bringing that change about, that's where you have to vote, and every single vote for them increases the chance of the desperately needed change.
Where did the full video of the debate go? "Alternative Election Hustings"
Vote Reform!
I would but unfortunately no-one is standing in my area.
Michael Moore did a similar thing at the 2016 election. He spent years of his career talking about corrupt politicians like the Clintons, but when it was time to vote who did he endorse?
I agree that we most certainly do NOT want Labour in government, but we also have to make our opposition to the status quo very clear. We do not want either Labour or Tory's in power and there are two ways to do this, don't vote at all or vote Reform.
He has all the answers!!!Another greatest Prime Minister never had!!He will never have to make a decision
Bore off Pete. Reform Reform Reform 🇬🇧
If Labour are truly going to walk it then the Conservatives need to be told at the voting booth that it is the right side of their party they have lost, not the innaffective Labour-lite.
Hold your nose, vote Reform and hope for a credible right wing party in 5 years.
Almost no Labour member thinks Starmer is more left wing than Corbyn and many hate him for it. Hitchins is wrong.
We were never asked nor voted for what has been done to our once wonderful country. Our Politicians whose side are they on? Reform is the answer even the young are working that out
For years Hitchens has been saying Britain is going to the dogs. Problem is, he doesn't have a constructive suggestion(s) to stop it. Farage may not be perfect, nobody is, but at least he might make the so-called Conservative Party remember its roots.
Is this the guy that had a infantile meltdown on Alex O'Connor?
Yes. "He actively dislikes you!" 😉😉
FORGET VICTOR MELDREWS CRYSTAL BALL VOTE REFORM!
Delighted to see the right fighting itself for a change. Cheers fellas.
Well we'll well how clever of Mr Hitchen we the people who are awake already know this, and, voting the Tories back on office would achieve what exactly .. nothing ... but with Labour in office the revolution will arrive a lot sooner. As for policies and laws that can't be reversed! This is what will drive a revolution laws the people refuse to obey, dictatorial leaders who must be removed by force. Being nice no longer helps anyone.
Absolute tripe. If I take his advice and don't vote for Reform, I just deprive Reform of a vote they would have otherwise had. How does that stop Labour???
Sorry Peter. You make perfectly valid points but I've had a belly full of the Liblabcon establishment.
We really don't have anything left to lose.
I voted reform party yesterday, via my postal vote.
Peter's track record :-
1990s and 2000s, writing in his column for the Mail on Sunday about how bad the Maastricht and the Lisbon treaty were for the UK, and complaining about German expansionism in the EU. Does a documentary for BBC 4 called "This Sceptred Isle" detailing Britain's relationship with the EU. Then come Brexit referendum decides to abstain. Then after the result calls for "the Norway option".
One of the few mainstream journalists to oppose the harmful lockdowns, and debates both Mike Graham and Dan Hodges on Talk Radio about them. Rightly said that during the 1967 Hong Kong Flu outbreak that no lockdown was used. Then takes a highly experimental "treatment" to "be able to travel to see family members", and says "people should just accept these types of restrictions from now on". I'll add as well that he was a foreign correspondent in the former Soviet Union and wrote specifically about the nature of tyranny under that regime, and yet he couldn't see it coming worldwide when the C situation came to the fore.
Voiced his opinion many times during the 2000s that the Tories have to be destroyed in order for something to replace them and actually embrace conservative values in numerous columns and media appearances he made. Then come this election, when there's a real chance of that actually happening - says that we must support them otherwise Labour will be much worse.
Anyone else starting to get a picture of Hitchens' real character or perhaps his role in the mainstream media landscape now?
Rod Liddle wouldn't look out of place in a swamp in the princess bride
Well Peter, this man is voting REFORM.
He's made his point and it's a good point, but I really hope what he does in the next couple of days is switch his message to vote Reform. This will kill the Tory Party.
What has happened to the full version of this video, its vanished.
I’m voting Reform. This lady’s not for turning 💪
Anyone who votes Tories may aswell not vote or.... vote reform
Get them both gone
Vote Reform uk
What happened to the full video? I just sat down to watch it and it's been deleted. 😡
I managed to catch it in time, and it was really very enjoyable (sorry). All the "candidates" (with the exception of the self-styled "compassionate and decent" Labour party representative) were refreshingly irreverent, amusing and honest. Weird that they've taken it down and cut into shorts.
I'm sure they'll repost it. It did have a quite a few minor technical flaws sound wise early on, so maybe they're cleaning it up.
This election isn’t just about voting for reform, it’s about putting a clear message across to any incumbent government. If you wantonly and recklessly ignore the will of the people who elected you, the public can and in some cases will destroy you. This is, I believe, the purest form of democracy.
Peter your eloquence has resulted in an almost 100% support for Reform in the comments.
Vote reform stop thinking short term yes we will have to suffer labour for 5 years but come 2029 reform will be ready
Vote Reform this country is in a mess.
His argument is more around not voting for Labour, i dont hear a reason not to vote reform,
Where did the full length video/debate go?