Small Edge Finger Strength (The on-wall exercise to improve your climbing!)

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  • Опубліковано 11 вер 2024

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  • @hendo3381
    @hendo3381 9 місяців тому +49

    Loved the video! This is a much better platform for your content than IG, IMHO

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +9

      Thank you so much for the feedback! Yeah, we love the ability to actually spend time detailing concepts here that IG just doesn’t let us do. We’ll continue to do both, but lean into YT with lots of effort. Thanks again!!

  • @MartinGutsch
    @MartinGutsch 8 місяців тому +10

    Thanks a lot for this video. I like the lesson-style presentation a lot, a great relief from the other entertainment-focussed videos out there

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks Martin! We appreciate the feedback 🤘

  • @FreefromTyranny
    @FreefromTyranny 8 місяців тому +7

    C4HP content has really been a game changer for me. Ive been climbing for 20 years, training seriously for the past 5 years. incorporating your training methods for about 6 months now and I’ve seen big gains all around. Thanks a lot 🙏🏻

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 8 місяців тому

      That’s so awesome to hear! Thank you so much for the kind words and feedback!

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  8 місяців тому +1

      🤘

  • @ManTanDan93
    @ManTanDan93 9 місяців тому +5

    Feel like this channel is a hidden gem. Really appreciate your time and effort with making these vids

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      I appreciate that! Share with your friends.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому

      Thank you so much! That’s awesome to hear 🤘

  • @mikhailsweeney7983
    @mikhailsweeney7983 8 місяців тому +3

    Fantastic communication! Well laid out, slowly spoken, and very clear! Thanks Tyler!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 8 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for the feedback! Lots of work goes into these but it’s all worth it when we hear it communicates things well! Share with your friends if you can, thank you!!

  • @drkwrk5229
    @drkwrk5229 8 місяців тому +1

    Always climbing small edges every session, it feels amazing when noticing that endurance has increased. This form of training improves handling all other grips and helps find other weaknesses. If finger strength is not sufficient something else must be improved. And body movement is just always important as well. Everything helps!

  • @chadclark8069
    @chadclark8069 9 місяців тому +5

    stoked on these videos Tyler! keep the quality content coming.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for the feedback!! It is really appreciated!

  • @trex9966
    @trex9966 9 місяців тому +5

    I do like how simple this system is (though it may not come across initially). Been following the prior protocall for a while now. Im going to gently add this in, and am excited to see how it goes!

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Great, thanks for the feedback.

  • @SelcraigClimbs
    @SelcraigClimbs 9 місяців тому +2

    Just getting through the video now. But wanted to say how pleasant it was to hear some blast beats and chugs for the intro music. As a deathcore/slam guitarist I wish more metal was used in climbing videos

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому +2

      Definitely agree there. Thanks for watching. The intro was made by a friend of mine who is a shredder. In the style of Gojira!

    • @SelcraigClimbs
      @SelcraigClimbs 9 місяців тому

      @@c4hp. love a bit of gojira. Loved the tips and insights. Funnily enough this wall crawl on bad holds is something I inadvertently have been training since building a home wall. Definitely noticing benefits in engagement on worse holds on commercial walls and on real rock

  • @Sepp2009
    @Sepp2009 9 місяців тому +7

    "emil abrahangs" I love that one hahaha

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      Just a fun little Easter egg pun haha you caught it!

  • @flip_lange
    @flip_lange 9 місяців тому +3

    Wow! These keep getting better and better each time! I’ve been experimenting with warm-up unlevel edge curls and pulls for the last couple months. I will include the on the wall coordination sessions again. Even thinking about a new strength block next year. Thank you so much for your work, it's much appreciated.

    • @flip_lange
      @flip_lange 9 місяців тому +1

      Oh, I have a question: I've been struggling on and off with feeling less coordinated/activated on the wall. Bad movement/body tension etc., maybe including the “wall crawl” as a last part of my warm up might fix this?! Can't wait to try it

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for the feedback! And yes, do the warm up, include the finger curls for a set or so and then to the wall crawl for a few sets either for your session or prior to something else. The curl + crawl is going to help drive that intent and awareness to the fingers!

  • @baybaymaus
    @baybaymaus 9 місяців тому +3

    "its more about getting your center mass in the most efficient position possible." This is it, 100%. Constant battle as a long legged 6'6" climber.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      The beauty of climbing is that there are many ways to solve the send problem. Becoming a better climber means recognizing what you have to offer and learning how to fit your piece in to the puzzle. Jamming it in is rarely the solution.

    • @baybaymaus
      @baybaymaus 9 місяців тому +1

      @@LiftsmcgeeWas just complimenting Dr Nelson's take about establishment of center mass over the necessary area to optimize movement. I fully embrace the fact that i'm a freakishly tall. Has advantages and disadvantages. I can never use anyone else's beta.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      @@baybaymaus nothing wrong with that! That’s the fun part of climbing! It’s just you vs. rock

  • @paulgaras2606
    @paulgaras2606 9 місяців тому +1

    The wall crawl is what was missing from my finger training routine. I’m banks for posting. Good stuff.

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Thanks, Paul. Appreciate the feedback.

  • @kurtcaligari3040
    @kurtcaligari3040 9 місяців тому +1

    Wow! YT videos from Dr Tyler!! Great stuff!! Keep them coming.

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Thanks Kurt. Be sure to share with your friends. We are trying to grow this channel!

  • @simplycatsvetclinic
    @simplycatsvetclinic 9 місяців тому +2

    Excellent video course as remember simple does not mean easy 😅 and you break down these concepts very well into simple parts, so it is easy to understand and best of all apply!!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      Thank you so much for the feedback. Happy to hear everything came through clear!

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому +1

      Sick! Thanks for your feedback

  • @hulk9950
    @hulk9950 7 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much guys! You are the best!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 7 місяців тому

      Thanks for the feedback! Share with your friends!

  • @sethblanchard4829
    @sethblanchard4829 9 місяців тому +2

    This video is so great. Thanks for the clear thinking and applicable programming

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому

      Anytime! Thank you so much for the feedback!!

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому +1

      🤘 thanks Seth

  • @tomrunge5232
    @tomrunge5232 5 місяців тому

    I wrote pobably 80% ow what was said in this video down and will implement it. Thank you so much for this value.

  • @arthurrunyan5785
    @arthurrunyan5785 5 місяців тому

    This is fantastic. Probably the best training video I've seen. Rather than another "scam" video. Thanks!!!

  • @ChatkritPertSinsomboon
    @ChatkritPertSinsomboon 9 місяців тому +2

    Waiting for the channel to blow up! 🔥

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Thanks. Please share

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому

      Us too! Haha share with your friends and social media if you can. Thank you!

  • @conserve_climber
    @conserve_climber Місяць тому

    This is some awesome “training”…👍😁 thank you for the content

  • @anthonyb3940
    @anthonyb3940 9 місяців тому +2

    Excellent video

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Thanks 🙏

  • @adamhuske1749
    @adamhuske1749 9 місяців тому +1

    Great content without all the hype thanks for your work

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Thanks Adam, we apprecaite that.

  • @jrwhisky
    @jrwhisky 9 місяців тому +2

    Recovery might be the under appreciated gem in here. If powerlifters trained like climbers they'd be in wheel chairs.

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      They Definitely would.

  • @josephmathews7155
    @josephmathews7155 8 місяців тому +1

    just found this channel and i already love it! do you guys think you’ll be making a video on training for / using slopers effectively? my style is small crimps on overhang, but the sandstone of the southeast really encourages 3 finger dragging and being good on slopers (which i’m horrible with both). I trust the info this channel puts out and would love to see a video on slopers !

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for the kind words. It'll happen.

  • @felixbamrounsavath2536
    @felixbamrounsavath2536 9 місяців тому +1

    Can't wait for the RFD video!!

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      script is mostly done. There's also some more detailed stuff about rfd on the patreon account.

  • @taffyobd
    @taffyobd 9 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Tyler appreciate the resources you are putting out there for us. Your logical, evidence based stance on training and it’s application for climbing is a real breath of fresh air in an internet full of hyperbole and BS 👊🏻

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Thanks a ton. Please help share this video and get the word out. The only way we can keep making these is if I get some sort of funding for them.

    • @taffyobd
      @taffyobd 9 місяців тому

      Will do 👍

  • @mizu84
    @mizu84 14 днів тому

    awesome content 🙏

  • @gregfinlayson8135
    @gregfinlayson8135 9 місяців тому +1

    Awesome and clear. A question for the future: applying this to pinches. (At which I suck).

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      Use this same methodology and simply substitute pinches more. I've done it with good success myself and for my clients. I'd also add in some additional talon trip training (video 2) as well.

  • @bodhicantor8398
    @bodhicantor8398 9 місяців тому +2

    I've been programing something similar for myself and have seen massive gains in applied finger strength. Removing high velocity climbing, and purely focusing on strength seems counter intuitive, yet I've found it effective .
    The speed at which muscle fibers produce max force is slower than max power. Is there any other reason besides optimization of force production to eliminate max velocity movement during a strength block?
    I appreciate you putting out science based content on training, awesome resource for the community.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      There are certainly times where you can mix strength (heavy, slow) with velocity days (high speed) like in an undulating periodization scheme. But, I feel we come at this through the angle that 99% of people are already flailing around or limit climbing all the time, that the lowest hanging fruit to pluck is truly leaning into a strength phase and learning how to do it well, to ramping it back up into velocity work. So, they both can certainly co-exist! Just depends on who you are, goals, and what you’ve been doing

    • @bodhicantor8398
      @bodhicantor8398 9 місяців тому

      I certainly agree, one of the biggest benefits for me was the discipline that came from not flailing around. And kind of reinventing my climbing style by loading up body tension in that way. I would be interested to see if the overall trainable matrix of tissue sees more or less adaptation in a linear or nonlinear periodization scheme. something to look into guess!@@Liftsmcgee

  • @fozza3232
    @fozza3232 9 місяців тому +1

    Fucking hell this is such an informative video. Love it

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for the feedback!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому

      Please share with friends!! :)

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      You get it because of that cover image of yours!

  • @blanchetthomas7239
    @blanchetthomas7239 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for this video.
    For this protocol, would you recommend open hand, half crimp, full crimp?

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 8 місяців тому +1

      Half crimp, or something around it makes the most sense most of the time because the angles of the fingers challenge to “actively grip”. However, you can certainly wall crawl on slopers (open hand) and on very small edges. The doses of the crawling (sets, reps, weeks) should adjust to reflect the intensity of the grip type chosen

  • @rosenruev3146
    @rosenruev3146 8 місяців тому +1

    Hey, great content. Insightful and logical. I have a question about the programming. In the strength training phase do you also program high intensity climbing practice (like near limit bouldering) in addition of the on and off the wall strength training? Thank you.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 8 місяців тому +1

      Probably depends on the personal and the goals, but a wall crawl could exist in a tiny dose before intense climbing or as a Day A full dose in tandem with a Day B intense climbing

  • @martindedekamsveen1348
    @martindedekamsveen1348 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for all I have learned from you! Really a great channel (the best?) for learning how to train for climbing. Hopefully, and probably, this channel will blow up soon!🎉 Looking forward to trying this drill for hypertrophy gains!
    Just one thing confused me. I were under the impression that mixing max strength and hypertrophy in the same session was a bad combo due to deminished returns, but if I understand you correctly you recommend doing the wall crawl after finger strength training (during warm-up)?

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  8 місяців тому

      Thanks Mark. We appreciate the kind words. Please share this channel as you deem necessary. The idea that strength and hypertrophy are distinct adaptations is a bit outdated.

    • @martindedekamsveen1348
      @martindedekamsveen1348 8 місяців тому

      @@c4hp. Oh thx for that. Will do!

  • @bradleyandrews2840
    @bradleyandrews2840 7 місяців тому

    Love this! Going to incorporate it into my training, I'm finding I'm getting flash pumped on the wall crawls, any advice?

  • @danielleech2424
    @danielleech2424 3 місяці тому

    Hi Tyler enjoyed the video, wondered what your thoughts are on someone doing the advanced session x1 weekly for a slightly longer duration rather than twice weekly for a shorter duration? Of course with other stimulation included

  • @johanhermanstorm8805
    @johanhermanstorm8805 8 місяців тому

    I know you don't like to compare, but I don't see others (like Lattice) prescribe the coordination training (i.e. slowly moving on small holds). They typically rather prescribe max moves (which often gives power/speed) or sessions like pyramid or others. And that doesn't necessarily mean small holds and slow movements.

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  8 місяців тому +1

      ,and? Which panel of experts made them the standard for climbing training. I'm not saying they don't do awesome things because they do, and I work with them a lot. But they'd agree that we are still in the infancy of understanding our sport and how to train for it. Fast movements can be essential for sports performance, but you don't get that much practice/coordination on small holds when the movements are technical and powerful. You're mostly falling. That's the big difference.

    • @johanhermanstorm8805
      @johanhermanstorm8805 8 місяців тому

      @@c4hp. Thanks. Maybe that's the challenge, we're in the infancy of our sport and it's evolving a lot these years and going forward.

  • @spiercevaughn
    @spiercevaughn 8 місяців тому

    Great video ! Thanks !

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  8 місяців тому

      thanks for the support. Please like and share as you see fit.

  • @TirboSandStone
    @TirboSandStone 9 місяців тому +1

    question
    So you mention using some finger training before the wall crawl, would this sugest that after the wall crawl you can continue the climbing session? Also what would that session look like in terms of bouldering... I am curious about the fatigue accumilation after the wall crawl protocol.
    Also thanks for the contribution again!

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому +3

      The finger training is represented in the first two videos. Low volume, high intensity, stuff on a big edge. If the wall crawl volume stays low, you should be okay with having a regular climbing session afterward. What you do really depends on a lot of things. I typically don't do it "in season", but regularly do it when I'm not focused on outdoor climbing. It depends also on your finger strength, training age, and edges use for the wall crawl. Hope that helps. Thanks for your support.

  • @lutherbrown8873
    @lutherbrown8873 9 місяців тому +1

    this is really interesting idea. most of my projects boil down to being unable to do a big dynamic move and i lack the coordination. i'm gonna try this in combination with off wall arm lifts and see what happens.
    by the way, what do you think about traversing on small holds on a specialized traverse wall? i'm guessing it really depends on the wall and the routesetting. but i'm just asking because traversing for a few months really seemed to improve my coordination.

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому +1

      traversing on hard holds is the same thing essentially. There's maybe less body position similarities to vertical climbing, but wouldn't change much on the fingers, IMO. Getting coordinated with your big jump move certainly is a skill you need to practice.

  • @magnusbyrod4567
    @magnusbyrod4567 3 місяці тому

    I really like the concept of wall crawls, but I don't really get what intensity level to aim for? I have a 45 degree wall and if I use smaller holds than I normally climb on the moves become like a limit session where I can hardly do the moves. If I'm supposed to do the moves static and controlled I cant go down in hold size? The typical 7/3 repeater that the session is compared to is not like a high intensity move. So should I go with lower intensity and more focus on controlling the hold/move? What RPE to go for?

  • @barbaratudlik1400
    @barbaratudlik1400 3 місяці тому

    Hi Taylor, if I was to do edge pick ups as a part of my warm up before the board training, what % of max do you recommend to use for it?

  • @kripsonmaharjan503
    @kripsonmaharjan503 9 місяців тому +2

    how would i separate this from standard board climbing? is it just making it so that all the feet are good and move are very static?

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 9 місяців тому +1

      The moves are static but the focus and the intention is in the fingers. The intention is to see, feel, the finger hold and squeeze into every edge you grab. The feet are kept simple/large and movement static to enhance your focus on the fingers. For some the feet can be "small", it is relative to your ability but keep in mind the value is in the fingers. And this can be the "day 1" to a "Standard board climbing" Day 2. This can also simply be Day 1 and Day 2 climbing, especially along a strength phase, foundational phase, "restart" phase after outdoor projecting, etc.

  • @Leo_Cherri
    @Leo_Cherri 9 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Doctor! These protocols always worked for me. Thanks a lot for your work. I'd like to understand how translate these aproaches to a endurece traning. I feel that I'm progressing a lot in strength and contact strength but I think it's increased the gap between that i can send in Boulder (v8) and I can send in sport climbing (7c)

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 8 місяців тому +1

      Endurance sounds like a perfect topic for a new video for us! Thank you for the feedback as well!

  • @northdankota
    @northdankota 9 місяців тому +1

    what is the rest time of "repeater on the wall" ?

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      3-4 minutes. sorry if that wasn't mentioned

  • @davidbecker54
    @davidbecker54 9 місяців тому +1

    That blocked hold @3:58 is just mean 😆

    • @c4hp.
      @c4hp.  9 місяців тому

      @natureclimbing hold 🤘