C4HP - Tyler Nelson DC, MS, CSCS
C4HP - Tyler Nelson DC, MS, CSCS
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How to Gain Contact Strength (What the science says about elite climbers)
In this video, Dr. Tyler Nelson analyzes the current research on contact strength and rate of force development and the current training practices to increase these in climbers to help you better understand the most effective training practices!
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0:00 Start
0:29 Strength Training Review
1:21 Muscle Fiber Type Differences
3:37 The Role of Fatigue and Training
4:26 Duration Difference in Strength vs. Power
6:29 Monitoring Volume with Power Training
7:08 How Much Force is Used on a Wall (Lattice Video)
8:38 Contact Strength Research
12:12 Final Recommendations
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Відео

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In this video, Dr. Tyler Nelson talks about how to get your finger strength training to better transfer to on-wall performance and improve your climbing performance. Dr. Nelson will talk about how to become more coordinated on smaller holds and how to organize your training plan to include finger strength and on-wall climbing sessions. If you want to work with Dr. Nelson to rehab an injury, cli...
How to Test Finger Strength (and what you should do with the results!)
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Finger Strength Training 4 Rock Climbing (No Hanging Required!)
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Finger Strength Training 4 Rock Climbing (No Hanging Required!)

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @neonhero4348
    @neonhero4348 День тому

    wth is this 😭

  • @sergiovonsik
    @sergiovonsik 10 днів тому

    Hey Tyler, I still don’t quite understand why the training focuses only on gaining strength through neural adaptations and doesn’t include something to promote hypertrophy of the finger flexors. I suppose increasing muscle size would enhance the potential for developing greater strength in the future. Somehow, this doesn’t seem to be a discussion topic in any of your videos or posts. Thank you, and I hope you get a chance to read this!

  • @daanschone1548
    @daanschone1548 17 днів тому

    I'd argue that holding a hold for 10-15 sec is more important than contact strenght. Otherwise you can only catch and immediately let go.

  • @jorgealexandremoreira1792
    @jorgealexandremoreira1792 21 день тому

    Thanks for the great video

  • @ricardofloresflores9496
    @ricardofloresflores9496 27 днів тому

    Doc! You're the man! Thanks for all this helpful information 😎

  • @michelefranciotta
    @michelefranciotta Місяць тому

    It's amazing what you're doing for the sport! Keep going!

  • @c4hp.
    @c4hp. Місяць тому

    The Tindeq app is more simple. There’s a link in my profile if you want to purchase.

  • @gustavorodrigues3710
    @gustavorodrigues3710 Місяць тому

    Do you have a reason for choosing tindeq instead of pitch6 force board? I'm looking into buying one and trying to find opinions on both

  • @sgteduardo2146
    @sgteduardo2146 Місяць тому

    Which portable hardboard is that ?

  • @FlarkeFiasco
    @FlarkeFiasco 2 місяці тому

    I'm confused, and concerned about safety. So should off the wall recruitment and strength training, for the fingers, be done on entirely different days than climbing? The graphic at 12:07 seems to suggest this is recommended: 1)warmup + finger sets for strength 2)wall crawls for coordination 3)regular climbing All of that in one day, is that right? Sometimes, I've heard that doing finger boarding and tons of other finger work is very taxing in one day. Just want to be safe about this.

  • @BambuWarrior
    @BambuWarrior 3 місяці тому

    Where did this video series go? 😢

  • @BadCrimper
    @BadCrimper 4 місяці тому

    Just bought a Tindeq. How often would you train your fingers like this?

  • @mizu84
    @mizu84 4 місяці тому

    awesome content 🙏

  • @bbcrock2134
    @bbcrock2134 4 місяці тому

    This video is sick. What are your thoughts on doing the curls with weights on a loading pin rather than a tindeq? Seems like it would also work and could be a good option for those who don't have a tindeq? Thanks!

  • @NoOne-n9m9b
    @NoOne-n9m9b 4 місяці тому

    Where can I buy the talon grip?

  • @conserve_climber
    @conserve_climber 5 місяців тому

    This is some awesome “training”…👍😁 thank you for the content

  • @jarrodalexander4580
    @jarrodalexander4580 5 місяців тому

    Is this fingerboarding video still available?

  • @thoisei
    @thoisei 6 місяців тому

    Thank you guys so much for sharing these approaches and recommendations publicly. Fantastic work, once again.

  • @martinwolczyk891
    @martinwolczyk891 6 місяців тому

    Fantastic video, very informative. Is there are pt 2 coming soon?

  • @magnusbyrod4567
    @magnusbyrod4567 7 місяців тому

    I really like the concept of wall crawls, but I don't really get what intensity level to aim for? I have a 45 degree wall and if I use smaller holds than I normally climb on the moves become like a limit session where I can hardly do the moves. If I'm supposed to do the moves static and controlled I cant go down in hold size? The typical 7/3 repeater that the session is compared to is not like a high intensity move. So should I go with lower intensity and more focus on controlling the hold/move? What RPE to go for?

  • @barbaratudlik1400
    @barbaratudlik1400 7 місяців тому

    Hi Taylor, if I was to do edge pick ups as a part of my warm up before the board training, what % of max do you recommend to use for it?

  • @danielleech2424
    @danielleech2424 7 місяців тому

    Hi Tyler enjoyed the video, wondered what your thoughts are on someone doing the advanced session x1 weekly for a slightly longer duration rather than twice weekly for a shorter duration? Of course with other stimulation included

  • @tomrunge5232
    @tomrunge5232 9 місяців тому

    I wrote pobably 80% ow what was said in this video down and will implement it. Thank you so much for this value.

  • @arthurrunyan5785
    @arthurrunyan5785 9 місяців тому

    This is fantastic. Probably the best training video I've seen. Rather than another "scam" video. Thanks!!!

  • @slothvibes2029
    @slothvibes2029 9 місяців тому

    Recently got a tendeq Progressor and this video helps to make sure I’m using it correctly. Thank you Tyler for all the information you put out there! I remember meeting you at one of the coaching seminars you did. Have a blessed day!

  • @xyzzy10000
    @xyzzy10000 9 місяців тому

    I have had a Tindeq for a few weeks now and my standing curl is consistently around 80-90% of my standing pull. Same for overhead pull. I seem to have a hard time pulling much harder than my curl like you are describing. Following the form you demonstrate in your videos. Any ideas why that might be?

  • @lucasleroux5981
    @lucasleroux5981 9 місяців тому

    Good Content !!! 🤩 Thank you to share your knowledge 🙏

  • @guillermosanchezdionis9475
    @guillermosanchezdionis9475 9 місяців тому

    Gold for the climbing and science fanatics out there! Looking forward to part 2!

  • @nicolascormier5478
    @nicolascormier5478 10 місяців тому

    Just started doing those 6 month later... I'm at 47kg peak force and around 35kg with the finger curl. My finger curl went up fast but my peak force remain constant , this is due to coordination in the curling method and not strength gain I guess?

  • @kamikazemartinez
    @kamikazemartinez 10 місяців тому

    My neighbours will love the first exercise. Nice video, ty

  • @brianwallace8608
    @brianwallace8608 10 місяців тому

    So in theory, if you have a lumbrical injury, would you possibly have less contact strength available? Even if there’s no pain in the position?

  • @FingersofFuryClimbing
    @FingersofFuryClimbing 10 місяців тому

    Are you not able to do finger curls in the talon grip because the ball doesn't allow for you to use your fingers without your thumb(without slipping off)? Do you feel finger curls using the talon grip is ideal? I've been experimenting with talon grip finger curls with a device made specifically for it and it definitely feels like a new to me stimulus but I haven't experimented with it very long.

  • @Chendadon
    @Chendadon 10 місяців тому

    Again great series! Looking forward for the tindeq training video, Thanks guys

  • @theexcelord86
    @theexcelord86 10 місяців тому

    How long are you supposed to rest between the warm up sets ?

  • @theexcelord86
    @theexcelord86 10 місяців тому

    So you're saying that JUST doing the warm up before a climbing session, and not doing any finger training session specifically (with 3-5 sets and 3 mins of rest in between), is enough finger strength training in combination with coordiantion training drill ?

    • @Tee_oh_em
      @Tee_oh_em 10 місяців тому

      Came here to ask exactly the same question. Amazing content as usual guys!

  • @theexcelord86
    @theexcelord86 10 місяців тому

    Hello, I'm not sure I got the last section right. Are 3 sets of the finger curling and yielding supposed to be done as a warm up for a climbing session ? or as a warm up for a strength training session ? Also you qualify it as a "finger warm up pt1 & 2", but it's actually the whole strength training session for the fingers isn't it ? or it it just a warm up and then you do a classic strength finger train session as described in your next video (3-5 sets, 3-5 reps, 80%intensity, 3 min rest)

  • @bradleyandrews2840
    @bradleyandrews2840 10 місяців тому

    Love this! Going to incorporate it into my training, I'm finding I'm getting flash pumped on the wall crawls, any advice?

  • @Kass157
    @Kass157 11 місяців тому

    This is a jewel. Simple and well explained!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Thank you so much! Share with your friends if you can!

  • @Mike55856
    @Mike55856 11 місяців тому

    Awesome video. Thanks for the upload.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Thank you for watching! Share with your friends please!

  • @flipsspillow
    @flipsspillow 11 місяців тому

    Great video an analyisis of the topic. But please change your light setting to have the light over your head instead of under while filming. It creates a creepy look otherwise.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Thank you for the video and lighting feedback!

  • @flip_lange
    @flip_lange 11 місяців тому

    Thanks a lot for the video! Ican see how this contains all the fundamental info for part 2. fingers crossed ;) keep up the great work. I've had really good results with your warm-up and finger strength recommendations in the past btw. Thanks a lot for that, too.

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Love to hear all of that feedback and how things have helped!

  • @CrowleighMusic
    @CrowleighMusic 11 місяців тому

    Good stuff Tyler!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Really appreciate the feedback! Share with some friends!

  • @coolguitarchannel
    @coolguitarchannel 11 місяців тому

    This video is fire! Tyler is GOAT

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for the feedback! Share with your friends if you can!

  • @tonytaverrite9244
    @tonytaverrite9244 11 місяців тому

    Thank you Doc!

  • @nikolaskarolides2577
    @nikolaskarolides2577 11 місяців тому

    Is there any application for overloading powerful exercises for strength adaptations? Like explosive pull-ups with a weight vest, then later get rid of the weight. Or would it just be best to do weighted pull-ups then later explosive pull-ups?

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      5:38 there is the graph known as the force velocity curve. Doing heavy weighted pull-ups (maybe 1-3 Rep Max) would exist at the top left and doing a big dyno with your feet helping may exist towards the bottom right. Everything else would exist somewhere between the two. Simply, one needs to make sure their “strength training” gets pretty close to the top left to be “truly strength work” and then one has to identify the velocity of their sport, style, move, etc . On that line and make sure they work at that speed or a little faster to training the body to “turn it on” at that speed. Weighted pull-ups “done fast” isn’t “bad” but: where does it exist on the curve? What is the goal of that point of the curve? Is that goal lining up with your intention? There is some power to be gained from middle curve but as long as you appreciate the other ends too of “quality speed” and “quality strength”

  • @kylelenton
    @kylelenton 11 місяців тому

    Can you provide some information about the talon setup? Is it the 4" or 5" tension ball? And where can I find a similar base plate for the hold? Hoping to get the setup and experiment with training with it. Thanks for the info!

    • @Liftsmcgee
      @Liftsmcgee 11 місяців тому

      Probably whatever ball will fit your hands the best? The goal is to have the finger tips on and some spread between the fingers. A little bit of incut is probably nice too. The base plate is a beast fingers one I think that Tyler has? If you can’t find all that, I just tell people to flip a kettlebell upside down and attach weight to that. It’s not as versatile and the TB ball but gets the job done for training

  • @thetruemorg
    @thetruemorg 11 місяців тому

    So I'm struck by the idea that that force velocity curve still is very valid even though you're talking about something so sports specific of grabbing a hold quickly. The strength you gain from a slow movement under heavy load creates a systemic safety. Then training a fast movement allows for that sport specific adaption. This means that the limiter is always going to be the central nervous system Is the real limiter. And again, that means that the amount of recovery (muscle metabolism but also indicators like HRV bone density etc)is the limiter on certain kind of gains probably up to genetic potential. This makes me think that if in the strength training portion of a training cycle, you were to start with a number with single hand slow twitch of 50% body weight and then over time progressively overload that would give you a very easy place to start that is measurable overtime. Once that plateaus you know it's time to change to a fast twitch stimulus continuing progressive overload. (Because I don't know enough about climbing I'm not going to Guess a methodology) but just to say that fast sport specific would continue the growth of central nervous system ability. That also means that once an athlete is at a little above 100% body weight on single arm, you probably get diminishing returns of training slow or fast which muscle or it become so sport specific like climbing and endurance wall versus very quick movements from a metabolic standpoint. TLDR: overall strength is necessary to progressively create power. The right training of sport specific muscle doesn't have the right tools and studies yet to show certain methodologies work better. Love your videos. They always make me think.

  • @raymondfoo9045
    @raymondfoo9045 11 місяців тому

    Been using metacarp edge without insert and just pull as hard as I can while anchoring on my foot with cord. It works so well and I can tell my finger strength has improved. Unfortunately I pulled my lumbrical on my ring finger side (was chill climbing on my previously sent problem but unexpectedly cut feet), now my ring finger can't even lift up my bottle although it is a low grade 1/2 strain. Any idea to recover it?