"And what does chief adviser to the president mean exactly?" *deadpan* "it doesn't specify" "great, because this is one part of constitutional law that we want to be as ambiguous as possible!" "yeah."
: He is also realizing that he urged Bartlett to the action (i.e. the assassination) that at least at the time seemed to lead to all of this. Leo's feeling responsibility.
Or, most likely, he has realized that his best friends daughter is going to die most likely. And the realization that if it were anyone else, jed would probably come to the same conclusion
He became temporary president as the 25th Amendment - Sections 3 and 4 was invoked to have President Bartlet step down as his daughter was missing. You can only carry that story line for so long before its impact is diluted. It had nothing to do with liberals. Do you know anything about the US Constitution or dramatic narrative?
And yet the " liberal " writers did an excellent job with Alan Alda'so character as Republican Senator Vinnick. Intelligent, well thought out, likeable and according to Matt Santos " the best strategic thinker I know "
@@FloridaMillennial how did the " liberal writers" do with Alan Alda's portrayal of Arnold Vinnick ? The entire 7th season was devoted to the Santos-Vinnick campaign. Santos called Vinnick " the best strategic thinker I know" as he practically begged Vinnick to be SOS. Maybe you should consult a writer or at least a strategic thinker before submitting ignorant, knee jerk statements
I just watched the 'debut' episode of *Brett Butler's TV show, *"Grace Under Fire".* Mr. Goodman's minor bit as the 'hapless' State Trooper who pulls Grace over on some traffic violation, and winding up dealing with a female in the middle of *"Full-on, Stressed-out Mommy mode* was an absolute scream!
@@tpl608 anything good is called "underrated" these days by nerds who like something popular but want to feel special. So by pretending that something is actually unpopular, suddenly they are very cool for liking it. John Goodman is a massively talented and successful actor who has had a decades long career and won multiple awards. He is anything but "underrated" lmao
@Leo Peridot no time, just like any premarmture administration taking office you don't have time to restructure not for something as significant as Chief of Staff you need to work with the tool kit given in this instance.
@Leo Peridot not by law but by practicality. I mean at the end of the day it comes down to you are inheriting a presidential administration not being elected to it. Think back to history Johnson maintained much of President Kennedy's cabinet because he needed their counsel because they were read in to the programs and situations ongoing there isn't time to read others in and get them up to speed.
@Leo Peridot no by law the 25TH Ammendment is temporary seeding of power the sitting president Bartlett has every right to resume office should he choose because was elected to the postion not the speaker.
Just love, love, love this scene. One of the best in tv history. Goodman locks it, loads it and blows it out the room. They just don't make em like this any more. Sadly.
"But if Zoey Bartlett is found dead, I am going to blow something the hell up then God only knows what happens next!!!" John Goodman (not Dan Conner) at his finest.
yeah, an elitist viewpoint many Americans seem to endorse. The 1% thinking they are born to rule. The reason to have a chain of command is to avoid emotional repercussions like this character suggests.
@@blackbird5634 Ironically, this character, the House Speaker was sworn in as acting President, because Bartlett was emotionally compromised, due to daughter's kidnapping.
it always amazes me how absolutely convincing some of the big name actors were on this show, Goodman, Alan Alda, Lily Tomlin. You'd think they'd be too big for a TV show, that it just wouldn't work - but it always did.
That's because they're all great actors, not celebrities. You might check out all the great actors making guest appearances in Homicide: Life On the Street.
The way Leo says “You bomb Qumar and they’re gonna kill her.” The whole reason John Goodman is sitting there is because the President knew he couldn’t separate saving his daughter from doing what’s best for the country. So he steps aside, lets the Speaker of the House take command. It leaves Leo there as the President’s only representative. Yet Leo isn’t just a chief of staff, he’s Jed Bartlet’s best friend. Zoe is like a niece to him, he’s watched her grow up. So when he says that, it’s not just a word of caution, or speaking on behalf of the President. He’s genuinely scared for Zoe
I was glad they didn't bring Walken in just to look like a buffoon. He was highly competent and knew his isht. Why didn't they run this guy against Bartlett instead of that idiot governor? That being said...Walken is no Bartlett, but the way he handled this whole situation was very presidential.
As Walken said during one of the episodes, he never aspired to be president, which is why he probably didn't run. He ended up running in the primary of the next election (maybe this experience changed his mind?), but that explains why he didn't run in the previous one.
I always thought a great extension of the show would be a John Goodman presidency..... See the show from a republican view and use a lot of the same actors....
Tellurye....and when he says " where are we ?" when he is with the National Security staff. As if " I don't have time to crap around, give me situation, options and I'll make a decision ! Democrat or Republican, thats the way we NEED our Commander in Chief to act
Larry Sullivan Amen. Kind of like some idiot woman who thinks she is president vs a president knowing the location a major terrorist who leads a hostile nation’s elite forces. Sometimes we cannot wait for Congress to arrive and they then notify SKYNEWS by text to warn him.
This is the best television series I have ever seen. Each time I binge my way through all seven episodes I wind up impatiently waiting for enough time to pass to be able to do it again without it all being way too fresh.
John Goodman is honestly one of the greatest actors to have continuously flown under the radar. A rare few who has never turned in a bad performance. Even in the Flintstones he was the high point.
Walken's character is brash & in your face but he asked questions & listened intently to the answers given by both the NSA & The Military. When you're in a crappy situation you have to try & find a solution with the least amount of negative fallout while trying to achieve your goal(s). Not an easy task!
1:08 The AGM-88 HARM is an anti-radiation missile designed to strike at radar installations. No one is using them to strike schools and/or training camps. At least the writers got the air-to-ground part right and didn't have them planning to use AAMRAMs or something.
What Fitz should have said, is "We won't hit what we're aiming for". Trying to use HARM missiles for that would have been an epic fail, unless those training camps had lots of radar equipment...
ptroinks The show did that a lot. They’d use weapons for implausible roles, like using the AIM-54C against ground targets. Anyone would knows their AAM’s is like, “WTF, you’re an Admiral?”
They did very little research when it came to talking military stuff on the show. One early episode had CJ saying something like "the commandant of the 32nd Division doesn't let in on his briefings." It doesn't take an expert to know how wrong that statement was.
As a vet, having spent time running several base security programs including OPSEC and INFOSEC, I'm not so sure it was oversight as much as choice. There were a number of times they were very specific about deployment of weapons, but identified a weapon outside its role. Is it a mistake? Or are they showing the coordination of the Sit Room while intentionally masking or misdirecting operational capabilities? As in depth as Sorkin and company get with details, I'd like to think the latter as the more likely scenario. Though I'll also admit, it's just as likely they found a cool sounding designation and tossed it into the script. At least they identified NAS planes for a Navy-based mission.
I want to say John Goodman killed it in a minor role but over the course of the show, nearly everyone in a minor role killed it. The thing that really killed Leo in this scene is that when Walken said "They are going to kill her anyway", he knew Walken was right.
I wouldn't say he was better then Martin Sheen, but then again we had a lot of time to get to know and love Martin Sheen's version of the president, so you might have a point, even though it's much easier to make someone look good in small burst then it is in long stride, what I mean is, had he stuck around the writers and the actor (as amazing as he is) might have messed up the character, because the character would have had to do a lot more. Having said all that Goodman was freaking amazing as the Republican counterpart to Martin Sheen's Democratic President, if more real life Republicans were like him I think the world would be a better place, hell if Democrats were more like Martin Sheen's character the whole world would be a better place too, if only politics in general was a bit more like West Wing.
Walken had the right attitude here. It doesn't matter what he thinks of Bartlett personally or his family, if the United States government doesn't react with efficient and lethal violence to the kidnapping of an American President's child then it sends a terrible message.
Takes a REAL PRESIDENT LIKE WALKEN. Bartlett knew Walken would do that. That's why he stepped down. To let Walken blow the hell out of something when politically he couldn't. Genius!
The West Wing was based on brilliant writing, and top level acting. But we need to call out the casting director as well. Who else saw John Goodman as a militant President in a time of crisis? He nailed this role, and carried it over into other episodes as well. John Amos? That man sent shivers up my spine with every appearance he made. The casting of this show had very few miss fires. Even Josh Brolin as a low IQ Presidential candidate was a revelation in casting. How about Alan Alda as a Republican Senator?
2:22-2:24 - Does anyone else get the feeling that President Walken was thinking "Just get me those bastards, I won't need guns, I'll rip them apart limb from limb with my bare hands."? 3:41 - Having taken the tough decision and validating his emergency appointment as POTUS, adopts a more human stance, asking Leo whether he's up to informing Bartlett that his daughter's death warrant may just have been issued. Great President, Glen Allen Walken and Great Actor John Goodman.
If you look at the first 3-4 years of the Roseanne show, it was an outstanding family drama comedy about life in a struggling Midwest family. John Goodman was amazing. And their comedic timing was amazing. I could watch those earlier episodes over and over again. It was so realistic. Not father knows best or full house shit. But real family lofeveryday life 3:54 Jim
Pres. Walken making it clear; you mess with the USA at this level and it will NOT be a proportionate response. You take an eye, and we will take an eye… and both your arms and legs. A clear contrast between two men and two parties. And exactly why Bartlett had to step down. American interests first, Zoe second. Brilliant writing and acting all the way around.
Fitz is talking about using AGM-88 HARMs, which are missiles that home in on and destroy radar installations. They'd be useless against buildings/facilities in a training camp. The West Wing is one of my favorite shows of all time, but they were horrifically bad with military weapon systems and terminology. They never seemed to know what they were talking about.
"Get your people in place, Admiral. We don't go today unless we're provoked. Find her and find her fast but if Zoey Barlett turns up dead, I am going to blow the hell out of something and God only knows what happens next." Such magnificent writing.
Amos and Goodman both portrayed hard working blue collar family men in Good Times and Rosanne, respectively. Both shows lost a lot when those characters were written out. I would have loved to have seen more of them in West Wing.
It's hard to remember the time when I thought of John Goodman as a specific type of actor, say light comedy or character actor. I'm not surprised by anything he's capable of.
West Wing could’ve been like Doctor Who. Change the President and Administration every series and let the show go on! It’d be a brilliant statement about how the world keeps turning even as power changes from one pair of hands to the next. I kinda hoped they’d do this with Arnold Vinick. But no such luck
Never can respect the man who ruined MASH but that may have been fun to see Vinick as Pres. Unfortunately the writers could never stomach the idea of letting a Republican win the election, even if he was a milk-toast moderate like McCain.. I mean Vinick.
On the flip side, it has advantages. When the midterms come around, I will have a lot less studying to do than normal. It's kind of a time saver, though one I could live without...
John Goodman is a very good actor, and he's been in a great many things. Dan Conner on the TV Show "Rosanne," the title character in the movie "King Ralph," not to mention the movie "The Flintstones," and the voice of Scully in Monsters, Inc.
It's the Catheter Cowboy at 1:32!! 'There's two things I know, I don't like pain when I cath. Also, our European allies are going to go crazy. They have billions tied up in oil and natural gas pipelines in Kumar.'
"...I'm going to blow the hell out of something and God only knows what happens next." Just the kind of focused, reasoned, strategic thinking you want in the person with the launch codes.
Honestly, yeah. Considering the part of the line you so conveniently omitted, absolutely. A terrorist cell tracked to their home bases of operation, that comes onto US soil, kidnaps the President's daughter and holds her for ransom, with threats to kill her? Yeah, she winds up dead, you destroy whatever of their operation you can find.
@@rcslyman8929 Decidedly, no. "...I'm going to blow the hell out of something [not a specific, rationale, conclusive thing like a base of operations; just *something*, as if there's no other option] and God knows what happens next [let's hope that the person/people making this decision know wtf happens next, not just the Almighty]." Again, he's a loose cannon, reacting instead of planning, waving a dick around instead of thinking.
@@rugbynimbus Did you miss the entire meeting? He already knew what he was going to bomb (fake religious schools that are actually terrorist training sites), he had a heard both of the options that would occur (either the terrorists back down or they could get even more hardened. Also the chance the Europeans will throw a fit). "I'm going to blow the hell out of something and God only knows what happens next..." is the kind of saying a real war time leader says to show that they will fight if they are provoked. If Zoey B. was my daughter i'd sure as hell want a man like that leading my country/operation to find her. No weak stance where we kneel. You hit us, we fucking drop you.
@@gdduuhsstyhbbb "... is the kind of saying a real war time leader says to show that they will fight if they are provoked." No, it's actually the exact thing a weak leader says when needing to announce he's going to swing his dick around because he's afraid others won't notice when he does. It's especially popular among self-aggrandizing "students of war" who've never actually seen one first hand.
@@rugbynimbus Oh you saw one first hand? Were you combat or just a spectator, I bet I can guess. You seem to miss the fact that this is a planned decision acting off of hard earned information of the various fingers of US Intiligence organizations that have found out religious camps are actually false terrorist training bases. And before you toss in the fact that the Government has used that lie before on it Citizens I think you'd have to be batshit as an Admiral to lie to the Acting President
When Anna said this would be the first time the US violated an ally’s sovereignty, I thought this was a reference to the Bin Laden Assassination. Then I remembered this show took place ten years prior.
1:37 me as an European when I think about our military leaving Iraq and Afghanistan: "screw the US. They had almost 20 years to fix this mess they have created in the first place".
The general is also astute and confident, as was the diplomat. It's just not their call. No one wants to tell Leo, because he's their friend. Walken can because he's detached from the family--which is a big part of why he was sent in to pick it up in the first place.
what would be involved " 12 F14B Tomcat's and 8 F-A 18E Super hornet's off the George Washington, then Marine 37 will drop 1,100 special op forces to clean it up " FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK coolest description ever
One of the reason I stopped watching after Sorkin left. Why would the writers not consult with a weapons expert on which weapon would better. The AGM-88 HARM is a tactical, air-to-surface anti-radiation missile designed to home in on electronic transmissions coming from surface-to-air radar systems. I would have writers use both the BLU-89 and BLU-109 bombs for this particular mission.
Okay sure- it's a technical inaccuracy and probably something which shouldn't have been too hard to get right, but it's one line of throwaway dialogue. The Situation Room doesn't actually look like that either but the story doesn't fall down on its arse because of it. I mean, the country they're proposing to attack- Qumar- doesn't actually exist (maps in the show depicting Qumar place it in the middle of Iran, while maps depicting Iran do not) so there's that. Also, I wouldn't attribute such a mistake to Aaron Sorkin's absence. In fact, in the first episode of the first season (written by , Leo McGarry is on the phone to the NY Times complaining that they had misspelled the name of Libyan Prime Minister Gaddafi in the crossword, claiming to have "recommended a preemptive Exocet missile strike against his air force" (presumably in his former role as Chef d'État-Major des Armées and because, either for the purpose of deception or simply because they're camel jockeys, the Libyans refer to their navy as the air force. Nevertheless, the show went on to win twenty-something Emmy awards because the writers told a good story, brought to life by an amazing cast, so I'll just file the handful of mistakes relating to unimportant technical details under "Shit Nobody Cares About".
C´mon...Everybody knew Peggy Carter used to babysit Delores Landingham when she was a child. Thats the real connection between the West Wing and Shield. And off course there was no drunk driver. Hydra finally got to her.
Not enough Hollywood heavy weights guest starred in WW. The ones that did like John Goodman, Glenn Close and Karl Malden to name a few were superb. I woulda thought most agents would be harassing the producers. It was must watch TV.
*"... I'm going to blow the hell out of something and 'god' only knows what happens next."* Was this *_The West Wing_* or the start of the next news cycle of the latest Donald Trump utterance?
It was a remarkably prescient show, in a number of ways. For example, you may remember the episode when it turns out the airburst nuclear test over the Indian ocean turns out to be Israels, and Bartlett has the Israeli prime minister fly in overnight? The subsequent dialogue completely anticipates the current political situation.
John Amos and Anna Deavere Smith as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and NSA were the two best minor-role actors in the series.
And Anna Deavere Smith was in the movie The American President, and she was great in that!
Ainsley fucking Hayes
Lord John Marbury was fantastic as well.
"And what does chief adviser to the president mean exactly?"
*deadpan* "it doesn't specify"
"great, because this is one part of constitutional law that we want to be as ambiguous as possible!"
"yeah."
@@cawsnallthiss
I love the slow realization that Leo has this this isn't his president anymore, and he's now more an observer than chief of staff.
: He is also realizing that he urged Bartlett to the action (i.e. the assassination) that at least at the time seemed to lead to all of this. Leo's feeling responsibility.
He’s also worried about Zoe... I think it’s more the slow realization that for all his influence and power (his and jeds) Zoe will probably die anyway
@@walterlowe7252 right. the slow realization about zoe’s demise while he and the president are powerless ... emotions overwhelmed him
Or, most likely, he has realized that his best friends daughter is going to die most likely. And the realization that if it were anyone else, jed would probably come to the same conclusion
And never loses the respect he has for the office.
"Thank you sir, I'll tell him." *phew*
Goodman's role was too short. He dominated this episode as the war time President.
Liberal writers couldn't have the spotlight on him for too long.
He became temporary president as the 25th Amendment - Sections 3 and 4 was invoked to have President Bartlet step down as his daughter was missing. You can only carry that story line for so long before its impact is diluted. It had nothing to do with liberals. Do you know anything about the US Constitution or dramatic narrative?
M Smith Thank you for that response!
And yet the " liberal " writers did an excellent job with Alan Alda'so character as Republican Senator Vinnick. Intelligent, well thought out, likeable and according to Matt Santos " the best strategic thinker I know "
@@FloridaMillennial how did the " liberal writers" do with Alan Alda's portrayal of Arnold Vinnick ? The entire 7th season was devoted to the Santos-Vinnick campaign. Santos called Vinnick " the best strategic thinker I know" as he practically begged Vinnick to be SOS. Maybe you should consult a writer or at least a strategic thinker before submitting ignorant, knee jerk statements
Even though big John wasn't on the show very long I thought he killed it in this role.
He kills it in every role. Owns the screen pretty much whenever he's on it.
MJSpiritual
John Goodman kill this role, very good.
Yep john killed it!!
MJSpiritual I know being a Liberal I wanted it to follow his presidency.. after Barlet. Oldy Republican
He really is one of the best, from Walter Sobchak to Dan Conner.
John Goodman still the most under-rated actor of all time. He kills every role he's ever played
I just watched the 'debut' episode of *Brett Butler's TV show, *"Grace Under Fire".* Mr. Goodman's minor bit as the 'hapless' State Trooper who pulls Grace over on some traffic violation, and winding up dealing with a female in the middle of *"Full-on, Stressed-out Mommy mode* was an absolute scream!
Underated? He has won awards and was on the #1 show in the 80's-90's.
Like his "Linda Tripp" on Saturday night live. LOL.
@@tpl608
anything good is called "underrated" these days by nerds who like something popular but want to feel special. So by pretending that something is actually unpopular, suddenly they are very cool for liking it.
John Goodman is a massively talented and successful actor who has had a decades long career and won multiple awards. He is anything but "underrated" lmao
John Goodman when he finds out Jackie got beaten up by her boyfriend and he takes care of business. Best performance.
Both Goodman and the Admiral were incredibly well cast.
+Gobbersmack John Amos
Good times !
Gobbersmack Totally agree with that
That they were
@@ericwsmith7722 Any time you need a payment
John Spencer's acting is hugely overlooked. His desperation as he watches the situation unravel, and his powerlessness to stop it
I've been watching TV most of my 71 years. John Spencer is without a doubt the most underappreciated actor who ever graced the medium.
Wow. They even called in shield.
This was Agent Coulson's origin story
Hahaha
@@swb1003 Yes! This is my head canon too!
He was actually hired by the MCU because they’d seen him in the West Wing.
James Harris good one.
This shows exactly why Bartlet stepped down, Walken knew decisions had to be made even if it meant Zoe’s death.
@Dan Wruck on both presidents. They both understood the roles they had to play and respected each others postion.
@Leo Peridot no time, just like any premarmture administration taking office you don't have time to restructure not for something as significant as Chief of Staff you need to work with the tool kit given in this instance.
@Leo Peridot not by law but by practicality. I mean at the end of the day it comes down to you are inheriting a presidential administration not being elected to it. Think back to history Johnson maintained much of President Kennedy's cabinet because he needed their counsel because they were read in to the programs and situations ongoing there isn't time to read others in and get them up to speed.
@Leo Peridot no by law the 25TH Ammendment is temporary seeding of power the sitting president Bartlett has every right to resume office should he choose because was elected to the postion not the speaker.
@Leo Peridot like I said before its not his administration he is ther by 25th ammendment which is temporary posting.
Just love, love, love this scene. One of the best in tv history. Goodman locks it, loads it and blows it out the room. They just don't make em like this any more. Sadly.
Goodman always makes whatever he shows up in that little bit better :)
fred houpt once in a lifetime
Thank God we now have a president like the Goodman character!
@@markemanuele1929 *eyeroll*
I still can't believe he wasn't nominated for an Oscar for this.
"But if Zoey Bartlett is found dead, I am going to blow something the hell up then God only knows what happens next!!!" John Goodman (not Dan Conner) at his finest.
John Goodman 2020
I support that
Said every father ever. My own father said if he were President and someone harmed his children, he would turn deserts to glass
yeah, an elitist viewpoint many Americans seem to endorse. The 1% thinking they are born to rule. The reason to have a chain of command is to avoid emotional repercussions like this character suggests.
@@blackbird5634 Ironically, this character, the House Speaker was sworn in as acting President, because Bartlett was emotionally compromised, due to daughter's kidnapping.
it always amazes me how absolutely convincing some of the big name actors were on this show, Goodman, Alan Alda, Lily Tomlin. You'd think they'd be too big for a TV show, that it just wouldn't work - but it always did.
That's because they're all great actors, not celebrities. You might check out all the great actors making guest appearances in Homicide: Life On the Street.
Goodman and Alda came from massive tv shows, where they built their names.
@@60crown Not to mention Ernestine the Telephone Operator from Rowan&Martin’s Laugh-In, aka Lily Tomlin.
Quite the contrary- Alan Alda’s TV performances are without a doubt his best.
not to mention mark harmon as the secret service agent was amazing. John spencer was absolutely positively brilliant as leo as well
If all republican candidates were like walken and all the democratic candidates were like bartlet, the usa would be massively improved.
EisenhowerRepublican if republicans were like vinnick I'd be the happiest lol
If any us politician actually cared for people and not a re-election the USA would be greatly improved
@@romanthaddeus5461 True
Trump is a great campaigner not a great president,
@@SvendleBerries, All you just wrote is bull. You were never an Obama guy, you were always a Trump guy.
John Goodman is so flipping underrated. Everything he does is pitch perfect 👌
Apparently everything on YT is underrated because someone using the word in every single comment section
DAMN! John Goodman really delivers this role.
bobert4him I loved the press conference where he speaks of treaties refer to nations and how he'd blow him up again.
This changed my view of John Goodman forever when it was first released.
This man owned the hell out of that role!
I'm an independent voter and yes I would vote for this man
The way Leo says “You bomb Qumar and they’re gonna kill her.” The whole reason John Goodman is sitting there is because the President knew he couldn’t separate saving his daughter from doing what’s best for the country. So he steps aside, lets the Speaker of the House take command. It leaves Leo there as the President’s only representative. Yet Leo isn’t just a chief of staff, he’s Jed Bartlet’s best friend. Zoe is like a niece to him, he’s watched her grow up. So when he says that, it’s not just a word of caution, or speaking on behalf of the President. He’s genuinely scared for Zoe
I was glad they didn't bring Walken in just to look like a buffoon. He was highly competent and knew his isht. Why didn't they run this guy against Bartlett instead of that idiot governor? That being said...Walken is no Bartlett, but the way he handled this whole situation was very presidential.
Walken did run, but lost in the republican primaries to that idiot governor.
probably because he would have won ?
The show needed a Bush allegory, a folksy populist confusing intelligence with elitism. Walken would’ve been too competent for the metaphor.
As Walken said during one of the episodes, he never aspired to be president, which is why he probably didn't run. He ended up running in the primary of the next election (maybe this experience changed his mind?), but that explains why he didn't run in the previous one.
I always thought a great extension of the show would be a John Goodman presidency..... See the show from a republican view and use a lot of the same actors....
Duane Coleman That, would’ve been interesting actually.
I think a better choice all around for that Republican view would be Alan Alda.
Alan Alda is a far left supporter, isn't he? Although, he did play a good POTUS in Canadian Bacon.
Would be nice to have Rob Lowe come in 2020 as the president.
Or a post-trump Republican president from 2020 onwards.
Man, that war room gets so quiet and tense after Leo interjects. It got so quiet and tense you could hear a pin drop.
i so wish leo became president during this time somehow
@@joeelliott2810 The Democrats in the West Wing are what THEY SHOULD BE TODAY! Right now? Bunch of weird too far left for me crackheads.
"Get the Kumari Embassador in here. We need to let him know we are going to bomb his country"
LIKE A BOSS!
Tellurye....and when he says " where are we ?" when he is with the National Security staff. As if " I don't have time to crap around, give me situation, options and I'll make a decision ! Democrat or Republican, thats the way we NEED our Commander in Chief to act
Larry Sullivan Amen. Kind of like some idiot woman who thinks she is president vs a president knowing the location a major terrorist who leads a hostile nation’s elite forces.
Sometimes we cannot wait for Congress to arrive and they then notify SKYNEWS by text to warn him.
They had him run for President in Season 6. I’m disappointed we never got to see him on the campaign trail, or a debate footage with Alan Alda!
This is the best television series I have ever seen. Each time I binge my way through all seven episodes I wind up impatiently waiting for enough time to pass to be able to do it again without it all being way too fresh.
John Goodman is honestly one of the greatest actors to have continuously flown under the radar. A rare few who has never turned in a bad performance.
Even in the Flintstones he was the high point.
I disagree he was under the radar. Anytime he's in a cast, he commands a performance but does it in lockstep with the actors he shares the stage with.
Goodman just commands this scene. Outstanding performance. Tough, brutal, and direct, but you have no doubt he fights for America.
Walken's character is brash & in your face but he asked questions & listened intently to the answers given by both the NSA & The Military. When you're in a crappy situation you have to try & find a solution with the least amount of negative fallout while trying to achieve your goal(s). Not an easy task!
I'd forgotten how intense that scene was. I lost interest during the later seasons, but this was well done and Goodman is a great actor.
Damn this was a good show. It would have great if this story arch had went a little longer. John Goodman was brilliant.
I. KEEP. FORGETTING. TO. BREATH!
DAMN, I LOVED THIS SHOW!
1:08 The AGM-88 HARM is an anti-radiation missile designed to strike at radar installations. No one is using them to strike schools and/or training camps. At least the writers got the air-to-ground part right and didn't have them planning to use AAMRAMs or something.
I really enjoyed John Goodman in this role, Walken was a great character
John Goodman can do anything, play any roll--Fantastic actor!
I admired John Amos on Hunter. He’s so intense and passionate about his role.
The quality of the guest actors, even in small roles, is staggering. It seems they line up to work for this most literate and intelligent show.
What Fitz should have said, is "We won't hit what we're aiming for". Trying to use HARM missiles for that would have been an epic fail, unless those training camps had lots of radar equipment...
ptroinks The show did that a lot. They’d use weapons for implausible roles, like using the AIM-54C against ground targets. Anyone would knows their AAM’s is like, “WTF, you’re an Admiral?”
They did very little research when it came to talking military stuff on the show. One early episode had CJ saying something like "the commandant of the 32nd Division doesn't let in on his briefings." It doesn't take an expert to know how wrong that statement was.
They had multiple political consultants, probably should've shelled out for just one military one for these episodes
As a vet, having spent time running several base security programs including OPSEC and INFOSEC, I'm not so sure it was oversight as much as choice. There were a number of times they were very specific about deployment of weapons, but identified a weapon outside its role. Is it a mistake? Or are they showing the coordination of the Sit Room while intentionally masking or misdirecting operational capabilities? As in depth as Sorkin and company get with details, I'd like to think the latter as the more likely scenario.
Though I'll also admit, it's just as likely they found a cool sounding designation and tossed it into the script. At least they identified NAS planes for a Navy-based mission.
@@rcslyman8929 you could be onto something. A deliberate "mistake" so not to portray real OPSEC and procedures on screen?
0:29 - Hey, it's Phil Coulson!
Bill Bushey Agent Coulson...the early years!
I didn't know that they let SHIELD agents into the Situation Room!
His name is Agent
And he hasn't aged a bit!
So this is what he was talking about when he said it wasn't his first rodeo
Really proud of the camera crew for continuing to show up to work despite crippling Parkinson's disease. Takes grit.
This such subtle sarcasm and I'm all for it.
I want to say John Goodman killed it in a minor role but over the course of the show, nearly everyone in a minor role killed it.
The thing that really killed Leo in this scene is that when Walken said "They are going to kill her anyway", he knew Walken was right.
John Goodman, John Amos and John Spencer made one hell of a scene in this episode.
"the Arabs are mad at us, we must be doing something right" ... how true even today
Correct. Man i liked Goodmans Character as president better then Martin Sheens.
I wouldn't say he was better then Martin Sheen, but then again we had a lot of time to get to know and love Martin Sheen's version of the president, so you might have a point, even though it's much easier to make someone look good in small burst then it is in long stride, what I mean is, had he stuck around the writers and the actor (as amazing as he is) might have messed up the character, because the character would have had to do a lot more.
Having said all that Goodman was freaking amazing as the Republican counterpart to Martin Sheen's Democratic President, if more real life Republicans were like him I think the world would be a better place, hell if Democrats were more like Martin Sheen's character the whole world would be a better place too, if only politics in general was a bit more like West Wing.
Love your statement man. You are absolutely correct.
It’s a dirty truth that the west wing producers never wanted to admit
3:30 The look of horror on Leo's face. Not just concern for Zoey, but the realization that the situation was about six inches from 'out of control'.
Walken had the right attitude here. It doesn't matter what he thinks of Bartlett personally or his family, if the United States government doesn't react with efficient and lethal violence to the kidnapping of an American President's child then it sends a terrible message.
Takes a REAL PRESIDENT LIKE WALKEN. Bartlett knew Walken would do that. That's why he stepped down. To let Walken blow the hell out of something when politically he couldn't. Genius!
“They’re going to kill her anyway.”
It’s gotta hurt when your political opposition steps in, has power and on top of everything else, is right.
and the vice dean of Greendale. i bet every air conditioner in that room was working.
Let it be known that any sweating in the situation room is absolutely not due to the climate control.
John Goodman is so fabulous in this role. Its up there with his best.
Goodman is class act, we should have a lot more of him
Man John Goodman was so damn good at this role
The West Wing was based on brilliant writing, and top level acting. But we need to call out the casting director as well. Who else saw John Goodman as a militant President in a time of crisis? He nailed this role, and carried it over into other episodes as well. John Amos? That man sent shivers up my spine with every appearance he made. The casting of this show had very few miss fires. Even Josh Brolin as a low IQ Presidential candidate was a revelation in casting. How about Alan Alda as a Republican Senator?
2:22-2:24 - Does anyone else get the feeling that President Walken was thinking "Just get me those bastards, I won't need guns, I'll rip them apart limb from limb with my bare hands."?
3:41 - Having taken the tough decision and validating his emergency appointment as POTUS, adopts a more human stance, asking Leo whether he's up to informing Bartlett that his daughter's death warrant may just have been issued.
Great President, Glen Allen Walken and Great Actor John Goodman.
If you look at the first 3-4 years of the Roseanne show, it was an outstanding family drama comedy about life in a struggling Midwest family. John Goodman was amazing. And their comedic timing was amazing. I could watch those earlier episodes over and over again. It was so realistic. Not father knows best or full house shit. But real family lofeveryday life 3:54 Jim
Does this mean I can pretend that The West Wing is part of the MCU!?
I would have liked seeing Tony Stark measure brain-pans with Sam Seborn.
I read the video title and thought "President Christopher Walken". Now imagine him delivering the line at 1:55.
Pres. Walken making it clear; you mess with the USA at this level and it will NOT be a proportionate response. You take an eye, and we will take an eye… and both your arms and legs. A clear contrast between two men and two parties. And exactly why Bartlett had to step down. American interests first, Zoe second. Brilliant writing and acting all the way around.
Democrats and Republicans. It's amazing how sane they are in this show.
I laughed when I heard them say they wanted to use AGM-88 HARM Missiles. Those are for taking out radar sites.
Fitz is talking about using AGM-88 HARMs, which are missiles that home in on and destroy radar installations. They'd be useless against buildings/facilities in a training camp. The West Wing is one of my favorite shows of all time, but they were horrifically bad with military weapon systems and terminology. They never seemed to know what they were talking about.
"Get your people in place, Admiral. We don't go today unless we're provoked. Find her and find her fast but if Zoey Barlett turns up dead, I am going to blow the hell out of something and God only knows what happens next." Such magnificent writing.
Where are we???
This show was so well casted even down to people you didn’t see for very long.
Amos and Goodman both portrayed hard working blue collar family men in Good Times and Rosanne, respectively. Both shows lost a lot when those characters were written out. I would have loved to have seen more of them in West Wing.
It's hard to remember the time when I thought of John Goodman as a specific type of actor, say light comedy or character actor. I'm not surprised by anything he's capable of.
West Wing could’ve been like Doctor Who. Change the President and Administration every series and let the show go on! It’d be a brilliant statement about how the world keeps turning even as power changes from one pair of hands to the next.
I kinda hoped they’d do this with Arnold Vinick. But no such luck
Personally, I always thought that they killed John Spencer to guarantee that Vinnick had to lose, when the nuclear meltdown in CA didn’t.
Never can respect the man who ruined MASH but that may have been fun to see Vinick as Pres. Unfortunately the writers could never stomach the idea of letting a Republican win the election, even if he was a milk-toast moderate like McCain.. I mean Vinick.
On the flip side, it has advantages. When the midterms come around, I will have a lot less studying to do than normal. It's kind of a time saver, though one I could live without...
Agent Phil Coulson to the rescue!! Pres Walken has S.H.I.E.L.D. on his side. No problem man!
Major Grant in the flesh.
That’s how a president is supposed to act
I’m talking about unchecked aggression. I’m talking about drawing a line in the sand, Leo. Across this line, YOU DO NOT -
John Goodman is a very good actor, and he's been in a great many things. Dan Conner on the TV Show "Rosanne," the title character in the movie "King Ralph," not to mention the movie "The Flintstones," and the voice of Scully in Monsters, Inc.
Fred Flintstone truly galvanized his status as one of the greats.
It's the Catheter Cowboy at 1:32!! 'There's two things I know, I don't like pain when I cath. Also, our European allies are going to go crazy. They have billions tied up in oil and natural gas pipelines in Kumar.'
I just watched this clip, and I also immediately recognized the Catheter Cowboy. I love it!
And Toby was in Black Panther 2.
More confirmation that West Wing is in the MCU timeline.
This was a great show....Nice...
AGM 88 Harm is a anti radar system. Not something you would use for training camps.
The *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television.
The Wire has entered the room
@@charlisantini3403 , a slinked back out......backward.
@@googoo-gjoob ok, if you aren't willing to acknowledge the greatness of The Wire, then you aren't someone who's time is worth giving.
Well! No paralysis by analysis here! Go get 'em Big John Goodman!
Poor missile choice.
It always bothered me too. HARMs? Don't only Wild Weasels use those?
@@saintroddy Yep, radar beam seeking missiles, not used for anything else.
It was a tv show written by people who don’t know the first thing about the military
They chose it because of the nickname "HARM". Works well on TV.
Don't overthink it.
"...I'm going to blow the hell out of something and God only knows what happens next." Just the kind of focused, reasoned, strategic thinking you want in the person with the launch codes.
Honestly, yeah. Considering the part of the line you so conveniently omitted, absolutely. A terrorist cell tracked to their home bases of operation, that comes onto US soil, kidnaps the President's daughter and holds her for ransom, with threats to kill her? Yeah, she winds up dead, you destroy whatever of their operation you can find.
@@rcslyman8929 Decidedly, no. "...I'm going to blow the hell out of something [not a specific, rationale, conclusive thing like a base of operations; just *something*, as if there's no other option] and God knows what happens next [let's hope that the person/people making this decision know wtf happens next, not just the Almighty]." Again, he's a loose cannon, reacting instead of planning, waving a dick around instead of thinking.
@@rugbynimbus Did you miss the entire meeting? He already knew what he was going to bomb (fake religious schools that are actually terrorist training sites), he had a heard both of the options that would occur (either the terrorists back down or they could get even more hardened. Also the chance the Europeans will throw a fit). "I'm going to blow the hell out of something and God only knows what happens next..." is the kind of saying a real war time leader says to show that they will fight if they are provoked. If Zoey B. was my daughter i'd sure as hell want a man like that leading my country/operation to find her. No weak stance where we kneel. You hit us, we fucking drop you.
@@gdduuhsstyhbbb "... is the kind of saying a real war time leader says to show that they will fight if they are provoked." No, it's actually the exact thing a weak leader says when needing to announce he's going to swing his dick around because he's afraid others won't notice when he does. It's especially popular among self-aggrandizing "students of war" who've never actually seen one first hand.
@@rugbynimbus Oh you saw one first hand? Were you combat or just a spectator, I bet I can guess. You seem to miss the fact that this is a planned decision acting off of hard earned information of the various fingers of US Intiligence organizations that have found out religious camps are actually false terrorist training bases. And before you toss in the fact that the Government has used that lie before on it Citizens I think you'd have to be batshit as an Admiral to lie to the Acting President
When Anna said this would be the first time the US violated an ally’s sovereignty, I thought this was a reference to the Bin Laden Assassination. Then I remembered this show took place ten years prior.
This guy is making chad vibes
1:37 me as an European when I think about our military leaving Iraq and Afghanistan: "screw the US. They had almost 20 years to fix this mess they have created in the first place".
You’re comparing a fictional show to real life? I don’t know where you are from, but both World Wars started in Europe.
John Goodman is such a great actor.
Notice how the only person that was astute and confident was the only republican in the room.
The general is also astute and confident, as was the diplomat. It's just not their call. No one wants to tell Leo, because he's their friend. Walken can because he's detached from the family--which is a big part of why he was sent in to pick it up in the first place.
God, I loved this show.
what would be involved " 12 F14B Tomcat's and 8 F-A 18E Super hornet's off the George Washington, then Marine 37 will drop 1,100 special op forces to clean it up " FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK coolest description ever
One of the reason I stopped watching after Sorkin left. Why would the writers not consult with a weapons expert on which weapon would better. The AGM-88 HARM is a tactical, air-to-surface anti-radiation missile designed to home in on electronic transmissions coming from surface-to-air radar systems. I would have writers use both the BLU-89 and BLU-109 bombs for this particular mission.
Camel Tanker if this was post 2006 the F-14 would have been decommissioned by then.
It was 2003
Okay sure- it's a technical inaccuracy and probably something which shouldn't have been too hard to get right, but it's one line of throwaway dialogue. The Situation Room doesn't actually look like that either but the story doesn't fall down on its arse because of it. I mean, the country they're proposing to attack- Qumar- doesn't actually exist (maps in the show depicting Qumar place it in the middle of Iran, while maps depicting Iran do not) so there's that.
Also, I wouldn't attribute such a mistake to Aaron Sorkin's absence. In fact, in the first episode of the first season (written by , Leo McGarry is on the phone to the NY Times complaining that they had misspelled the name of Libyan Prime Minister Gaddafi in the crossword, claiming to have "recommended a preemptive Exocet missile strike against his air force" (presumably in his former role as Chef d'État-Major des Armées and because, either for the purpose of deception or simply because they're camel jockeys, the Libyans refer to their navy as the air force. Nevertheless, the show went on to win twenty-something Emmy awards because the writers told a good story, brought to life by an amazing cast, so I'll just file the handful of mistakes relating to unimportant technical details under "Shit Nobody Cares About".
Why would they not consult with you first!
You missed a lot of good West Wing, then. Especially the last two seasons and the election.
C´mon...Everybody knew Peggy Carter used to babysit Delores Landingham when she was a child. Thats the real connection between the West Wing and Shield. And off course there was no drunk driver. Hydra finally got to her.
John Goodman, played Dan is Rosanne in the 80's. Also Babe Ruth in Babe and was in Sea of Love with Al Pacino
Phil Coulson and the Catheter Cowboy in the Situation Room! That's the dream.
This is a calm president compared to gung ho don vs Iran
AGM-88's are Anti-Radiation missiles. Unless those training camps have SAM Radar's or long range search radars. They aren't hitting shit.
Big john radiated power
How exactly DO you tell an ambassador you're going to blow up his country?
It took me this long to consider the president's name....walk in
He would've been my SECDEF after this.
2 minutes on screen and he's already a better President than Bartlett.
Abby saying she wasn't in the debates of shareef Assassination but she didn't have the clearance
Not enough Hollywood heavy weights guest starred in WW. The ones that did like John Goodman, Glenn Close and Karl Malden to name a few were superb. I woulda thought most agents would be harassing the producers. It was must watch TV.
Clicked on this and waited for Christopher Walken to appear
*"... I'm going to blow the hell out of something and 'god' only knows what happens next."*
Was this *_The West Wing_* or the start of the next news cycle of the latest Donald Trump utterance?
It was a remarkably prescient show, in a number of ways. For example, you may remember the episode when it turns out the airburst nuclear test over the Indian ocean turns out to be Israels, and Bartlett has the Israeli prime minister fly in overnight? The subsequent dialogue completely anticipates the current political situation.
Whoever their technical advisor was in this scene, they effed up. HARMs are used to destroy radars and SAM sites, not buildings.