Eg4 6000 Xp All-in-one Solar System! Full Install! Extremely Affordable!
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Don't know if you came across this yet but if you are going to use two mppt's you want to do it on the master if you are going to have an imbalance.
@@davefroman4700 I have not come across that. How have you come across or tested this info?
@@CountryLivingExperience From one of the other big reviewers online. Think it was Rob Prowse. Something about the Master wanting to be fully populated first though. The software is better able to balance the load that way supposedly.
@@davefroman4700 Interesting. I had not seen his video. I haven't had any issues but I will look into it. Thanks.
@@CountryLivingExperience It makes sense to me because the master is managing the load.
Very nice! We just got our system up and running. It has been a bit cloudy but everything is looking positive so far.
Just picked up my xp and a single 14 kw wall mount battery 16 bifocal panels.Hope to install this spring as soon as it warms up.Love your channel, looking forward to your next one .
Awesome. Glad we can help.
For the hole where the battery cables come in try GB Flex Tubing 3/8" Split Flex Tubing. I got it at Lowe's. I used it for the same application on my EG4 18K PV battery in. It works great. If I knew I could post a picture I would.
Thanks. I appreciate the suggestion.
You covered a lot of ground on this video. Good work on this one. These are fantastic inverters.
Thanks Gavin. They are running really well right now.
Looks good I got one last week and still haven't changed over .. Its hard to leave outback and midnight classics but I will try it... Keep it up brother
Thank you. Let us know how your install goes.
I had to update all my (comm connected) batteries to get the charge parameters from PV to work correctly. When I only did host battery it did communicate but only showed part of my battery bank that was connected for battery comms. So PV charge was low until updates completed on my lifepower4 batteries. Good work!
Thank you.
I saw that on your video. I will probably do an follow up video based on my firmware update for the master battery. We will see what happens.
@@CountryLivingExperience sounds good 👍
Thank you for your dedication , so helpful. There is one work around for the battery recognition issue . If you set your actual battery to LUX , this will allow you to change to lithium battery in the EG4 6000XP, dip switch o seems to work for this even though the manual says dip 16 . Ok then have a charming wonderful day .
You're welcome.
I'll try that work around. Thanks and have a great day.
Thanks for sharing! I'm with you on those tiny screws! Horrible little things! I was hoping they would have hinged the door with latches like the 18kPV.
You're welcome.
A hinged door would be ideal.
Maybe I'll add hinges to my 6000xp.
Thanks for the video, I have the EG4-LL v1 batteries also, didn't realize I will have to update firmware. I want to get a couple of these 6000XP's, the fun part will be getting the ~150lb Growatt off the wall.
You're welcome. Good luck with that heavy Growatt.
Thanks for a clear and concise video. I gotta build my power shed before I install mine but it's too cold to pour concrete.
Thanks Bob
I bought 1 from current connected. In stock and arrives tomorrow, Sunday to Thursday, not bad
Not bad
Awesome. Thank you. I'm installing mine this week. It's interesting that the inverter communication doesn't show the battery state of charge.
Cool.
They do show battery voltage and state of charge.
21:45 looking forward to the clarification on defining what to use as priority - solar, battery, utility. Thanks. I suppose as long as it optimizes for most efficient for the load at the moment that would be ok.
And let me ask this (I think I know the answer though), if the priority is set to solar, battery, utility... if the grid goes down, does it still use the solar and battery. If I understand correctly, that is what is considered a hybrid system, and the info I've seen on these specifically say they are not hybrid. Any clarification would be great.
Nice video. I have a pair arriving Friday along with 4 X Ruixu batteries. Ordered from Current Connected on Monday!
Thank you. Glad you will get yours soon.
I would go with a larger breaker in the sub panel than 40 amps since the 6000xp supports 50 amp pass through - as long as your wires (AC in and out) are spec'd to handle the 50 amps.
I ordered two of them to replace my Growatt 5000 es system. I am going to leave the growatts in place as an emergency backup to my offgrid house and use the new EG4 inverters as my main system.
Awesome! Always good to have redundant systems and backups.
I just bought the 2 6000xp to replace my 6500ex. I have been watching a few videos on install. Wills channel shows only 1 comms cable between the inverters not the 2 you used. I wanted to check to be sure. I have the Lifepower 4 with original firmware so I may have to upgrade the newest release for the 6000xp. I got some great info from your channel thank you for sharing.
Glad I could help.
I have had the Sig Solar guys confirm that you need both cables connected.
I have the V1 LL batteries and had to update all of them so I am sure you will have to update your Lifepowers.
I ordered one of these for Black Friday along with 2 EG4 LLs batteries. Still waiting for them to arrive.
Awesome!
thank you for the great video! isn't this inverter off-grid only, so it's interesting to see the grid option showing up on the screen.
You're welcome.
AC (grid power in) in works on all off-grid inverters. It is only when you get into selling back to the grid that you need a hybrid or grid-tie inverter.
Awesome video, thank you very much for the great detail and information!
Glad it was helpful!
Always keep your last MC4 Connector at the Panels Disconnected while messing with wiring at MPPT Charger! Then you don't need to worry!
Nice video. Please update us on the reliability of these in parallel as you run your house over time. I had a twin 6500ex system and had constant stability issues. I switched to an 18Kpv and it just works. However, two of these 6000XPs is more affordable and desirable if selling back is not desired…IF they are reliable. Looking forward to updates as you use them for your daily loads.
Thanks. I will keep y'all updated.
So how do these play with the grid, being off grid inverters? Net metering has become a joke in most areas now (or will be soon if not, thanks to all the lobbying). Can you actually use these and still be tied to the grid? If so, how does that work?
@@ssoffshore5111 They take AC in from the grid to charge the batteries. They can also pass-through power to your house loads if you have your system set up like that. You cannot sell back to the grid with them. I use my solar like a generator. I keep the grid for extended cloudy periods (because I do not have enough panels or batteries yet) and just switch over manually when I want to use either solar or the grid.
Thanks for sharing, this is great!
Blessings ❤
You are so welcome my friend.
Those look really nice!
They are working really well as far as I can see.
Great video! Next week I'll be installing 2 of these in connection with my 2 powerpro batteries -this video will be super helpful. One question: How do you deal with live PV wire if you needed to disconnect PV from the 6000's charge controller? It seems like it would be safer (& more convenient) to have your PV disconnects before your wire goes into the charge controller
Glad it was helpful.
I still have another pv disconnect switch. If I disconnect the pv wire from the inverter, I just turn off the switch. It would be safer, you are correct.
great video!! covered just what i was looking for but one thing from your sub panel to your main panel how did you wire that up?
Thanks. Glad it helped. I covered wiring the sub panel in a few other older videos. Try this one....ua-cam.com/video/-5w6b_2LxtQ/v-deo.html and this one.....ua-cam.com/video/I2rbxKtx5cs/v-deo.html
Well done video as always. Will you be connecting grid input to pull from if needed? My question is for users that will need to connect up to the grid, I'm looking for the best way to run the grid input into some type of transfer/bypass switch so you could bypass the unit if needed and still power the house sub-panel.
Thank you.
I am going to leave it as an off-grid only system actually. I think Will Prowse may have touched on that some.
Great video!!
Thank you
Great video. I'm watching and dreaming while I patiently wait for mine to ship and replace the 6000EXs.
Thank you.
Did you have an issue with your 6500ex's?
@@CountryLivingExperience I've had quite a few issues since adding the 3rd. It's been a bit disappointing, but I'm hopeful for the upgrade :)
I have a brand new eg4 6500 and before I hook it up would you suggest that I trade it back in for the 6000 XP
@@stifflerjj4 I'll let Eric give his opinion on the 6500s. I had the old 6000EXs. I'm glad I made the trade. :)
Good video.
Seems complex however since you cannot easily set inverter for LFP batteries at first startup...and had to setup initially to lead acid?? Perhaps EG4 rushed this to market without having default set to EG4 LFP batteries? Perhaps your next video will explain this?
For me, the relatively lower idle consumption of this inverter is a winning feature. The 6000EX-48HV idle consumption was just too high for those of us living off grid in the far north.
Having all the breakers in the box is a real savings for sure.
Thank you.
It isn't complex at all. If you have newer batteries, there is no extra step. All that needs to be done is adding the new parameter to the old battery via a firmware update.
The breakers are great as well as that low idle consumption for sure.
Dang this EG4 6000XP is sweet! Do you know if there will be any big updates coming in the next 18 months? I’m not quite ready for it at our off grid acreage but I’m excited to start working with modern gear. My current system is very much a cludged together monster. This tech has gotten so much better in the past five years. It’s a great time to be working with solar.
It is really nice for sure.
They may be coming out with a smaller hybrid like the 18k which will be the 12k.
Another great video! What happened with the multipluses & Cerbo Gx setup? Removed and gave up on them?
Thank you. The Victron is setup at our barn.
Great video! with 2 batteries the xp unit and the solar panels it would be closer to $5G not $3500, still an excellent price for a system that's expandable. I'm starting with 1 xp and 2 batt.
Thanks.
$3917 plus tax
Hey boss. These are just the calculations I needed. Thanks for the explanation! I’m building a larger electrical mobile unit out of an enclosed trailer I’ve converted to be powered by the 6000xp with 10.2kwh server no alternator charge tied. My biggest question is grounding the system in a mobile application with no grid tie. Is grounding to the frame fine because of wood blocks and rubber tires. Or do I need to tie the ground to a rod at every location. I’m worried times I’ll be around pavement only. Thanks again boss!!
You're welcome. Glad it was helpful.
Honestly I am not well versed on mobile systems. The best channel for that is Explorist Life...www.youtube.com/@EXPLORISTlife. Nate does a great job explaining van systems.
@@CountryLivingExperience Yes sir. Thanks
Can you make a list of solar kits including panels that I need for the 2 Inverters
Every project is unique. I have no idea what you need for your project so I cannot really suggest anything.
Nice update on your 6000xp . So what do you do with the eg4 6500’s ? Just purchase my eg4-6500 a year ago can afford to buy new ones😅. At least there are improving on the newer inverters lower power consumption, Wi-Fi app that’s informative and parallel connections. So keep up the good videos coming and have a wonderful holiday for you and yours.
Thank you. I will use the 6500’s for a small cabin that I want to build on the property. They are ever improving their equipment which is nice.
@@CountryLivingExperience I bought an EG4 kit back in August. I work slow (71, did a ground mount) and just got finished last week. The 6,500's are working fine but two are needed for 240v. If I lose one I will not be able to power my submersible well pump and my hybrid water heater. Should have waited. Might just buy a 6000XP to have on hand.
I'd probably get these if they offered a trade up program. Otherwise, I have to find someone to buy my 6500s when I am ready to switch. I still might consider and 18kPV though because it has 200A pass through so I could comfortably put everything on solar but with these the pass through is like 50A per inverter from what I read. I feel like these grid supported inverters should offer full pass through since the 18kPV shows its possible.
Cool. I guess the smaller package may limit some features vs. the 18k.
Awesome thanks for the great video, are the inverters the ground neutral bond or is that at your main panel?
You're welcome. The bond is in my main panel.
@@CountryLivingExperience please excuse my ignorance, I thought the main panel was the 1st with the incoming power then sub panels were after? Is main just where the ground rod is connected directly?
@@tjmooney4181 Mine is an off grid system. It is wired differently. You'll have to look at my older videos to get all the info.
@@CountryLivingExperience great thank you. I'm curious because I have very similar system but use the 1st breaker load center as the main with the ground neutral bonded and separated them in the sub panel (which is the old main panel in the house with all the breakers)
You talk about a generator interlock kit in your main breaker. How would I add that? Does the 6000XP work better with a interlock kit vs a transfer switch?
The interlock is a physical piece that you add to the metal inner cover of your main panel. It costs about $40. A transfer switch can be either manual or automatic. An auto transfer switch will cost you about $1k installed. Either will work well.
FYSA. When using only two in parallel, you only need one communication cable (between the two inverters).
Not according to Signature Solar and the manual.
@@CountryLivingExperience Guess you will just need to test it out. 🫡
Happy new year. Do these eg4 batteries have a place to hook up both inverters? Thank you
Happy New Year. You will need some sort of common buss bar to hook up multiple inverters.
So you leaving your main inverter as ground neutral bonded/controlled did you unbind in the breaker box? Im new and trying to get visual info on how it looks. Thanks
As an off-grid system, I did not change anything internally on the inverters. My sub-panel has grounds and neutrals separate. My main panel has grounds and neutrals bonded.
I just purchased a complete system, 2 6000xps, 20 400 watt panels, and 4 li LL batteries. I am in the process of the setup and your video was super helpful. Thanks for all of your work! I do have on question, does the battery input cables go to both AIOs? I have two sets of battery cables in my packet. Do you connect both + cables to the battery buss bar or do you come out of buss bar with one cable and then split into two cables? Thanks again.
Awesome, you're welcome.
I am not sure what kit you bought so I don't know exactly what they gave you. You do need battery cables for each inverter and those in turn must be connected to the battery buss bars. I don't know f you have the battery rack with integrated buss bars or other external buss bars or both (like me).
@CountryLivingExperience hi and thanks for answering. I do have a 6 slot battery rack with buss bar. I was going to attach both positive cables (2 red cables) to the top slot on + buss bar and the two negative leads to the top slot on negative buss bar. Thanks again
That type of connection will work.
Are the battery cables from each inverter going all the way back to the battery cabinet or to bus bars with one beefy cable to the cabinet? I didn't see.
Yes, that’s correct. The battery cables from each inverter goes back to that common bus bar. Then the big battery cables go to the cabinet.
Just ordered one and 20 400 watt panels
Nice
Question about the AC side: why are there 4 wires? Where I live, all AC wires have 3 parts: Live, Neutral and Ground. Why do you have two live?
240 volt split phase power. Used for large loads like clothes dryer, water pump, stove, etc.
Just got my upgrade from SigSolar with their trade in offer. But they won't be shipping till May due to such high demand so I get a few months to plan the installation :) , Bye bye 6500-EX's and hello 6000XP's !
Great. How were the 6500's working? My last batch before these were working perfectly.
@@CountryLivingExperience Still working perfectly without a hitch and that is with the original firmware, I was about to upgrade the firmware but I've been lazy then I got the inverter upgrade offer from SS so I guess now I'm not going to bother anymore LOL
@@CountryLivingExperienceI have two I got in August in my solar kit but only got functional last week(I work slow). They power my home just fine, just lots of light flickering and one UPS was clicking so much I had to unplug it. I will be getting the replacement 6000XPs. I got a digital torque screwdriver, PV breakers need more torque then you might think. Also I doubt you are getting the pv input wires tight enough with that tiny screwdriver.
What about the cost of the batteries? Also how many watts output to your house?
Great video
Batteries are always the most expensive part of a system. What do you need to know?
Watts output to my house? For the inverters? The inverters are 6000w each to 12000w if needed.
Are these 480VOC per mppt on the unit or 480voc for both?
they keep coming up with better systems think I'm going to get these
They are running flawlessly right now and are very quiet.
I bought the 6500-ex in June, and they’re obsolete. Yes, they work but out of production. You CANNOT buy 2 more to upgrade an installed system unless you want used, and expansion was part of my plan.
@@rroades I understand. That can be frustrating when companies do that.
@@rroades They may offer refurbished ones.
How do these compare to the Victron MultiPlus-II 2X 120v. 3000VA? I want to install it in a 50Amp RV for Boondocking. I have 4 LiTime 24v 200AH running in parallel. I will get 2 more in the future. This system looks a lot cleaner and easy to install.
The biggest difference is they are split phase and an all-in-one unit. You really can't compare them to the victron as they are two different types of systems. These 6000xp's are 48v however. You will need to configure for that.
I noticed you have PV connected in reverse to the inverters based on the PV wire colors (red + black -). Am I correct? The inverter was labeled 1+ 1 - and 2+ 2 - from left to right but the PV wires look like they are connected black (-) red (+) from left to right?
Correct. That is because I reversed the wire colors originally when I ran them through the conduit.
Hi thanks again for the great content, what are your thoughts on grounding for off grid. I don’t want to create a ground loop in my system I currently have my main panel grounded from a rod and feeding the inverters and sub panel has separate ground and neutral bars. Setting 26 allows to enable or disable neutral ground bond with out an ac source should it be enabled or disabled? Thanks in advanced
I am certainly no electrician so my advice should be cross referenced with one. You should have one grounding electrode on the house. All sub-panels should have grounds and neutrals separate. Only ground neutral bond should be in the main panel. There should be equipment grounding conductors that run from each piece of equipment to a ground bar in the sub-panel and then ultimately back to the main panel. I believe the g-n internal bond comes disconnected. I ran mine strait out of the box as configured by the manufacturer. You will have to check with Sig Solar for a more indepth answer on this as my system architecture may be different from yours. Braden from EG4 did a video on this topic on the EG4 UA-cam channel if you want to go check that out.
Thanks for the prompt reply. I spoke with signature solar earlier and explained my system layout to them. I have two 6000 xps in parallel feeding a main panel off grid grounded by an earth rod and have separated the ground and neutrals for the main and my sub panel. Setting #26 comes enabled as default and signature solar said this was fine the way I have it configured but they recommended joining my ground and neutral bars at the main panel and to then disable setting #26. I hope this helps someone else wondering the same. I love your content thanks for all the great info.
Please comment on the battery settings. Why did you have to use lead acid? Thnx
I thought I mentioned that.
I don't have the correct firmware on my EG4-ll battery so the comms will not work. The inverters will not read any LiFePo4 battery without comms. So you can temporarily set it to Lead Acid and enter in the correct Ah of your entire battery bank and the inverter will charge based on those parameters.
Just curious - it appears you have the red PV wire going to PV- and the black going to PV+. I presume the cables are simply the wrong color?
The colors were originally switched when the panels and pv wire were originally installed.
I have a newbie question for you about setting up the 6000XP. I'm pretty sure I'd like to set it up in my home, which is grid connected, and I have no need to send electricity back to the grid since the compensation for net metering is so low for where we live. How exactly does this unit physically setup in a way in which it is always connected to the grid, along with battery and solar? In my case, I have one 40 amp breaker that is unused in my sub-panel (there was an old wine cooler that used it and I took that unit out), but what's coming from my 40 amp is just the hot, neutral, ground. Where exactly does the L1 and L2 connect to in this scenario? And what about the difference between the load and grid breakers on this unit? I'm planning on hiring an electrician, but I'm just curious.
Since I can't physically see your home, I can only give some basic thoughts. Will Prowse set his up with the AC-IN connected. For me personally, I didn't choose to do connect the AC-IN and have not set up a system like that. Make sure your electrician knows DC power. Many do not.
Doesn't this inverter output 50 amps? If so, why is the AC output breaker 40amps? With 6awg, a 50amp CB would be more to spec, or am I missing something? Thanks for any info
Do all the batteries need to be parallel and connect to the master unit or can each bank be hooked up to individual inverters?
They all need to be connected yo a common buss bar. That buss bar then needs to be connected to each inverter.
Wanted to ask what size breaker do you have in your main panel interlock going to your 6000xp’s
I understand from your video and several others that a 40 amp breaker from each 6000xp should be used in the combiner panel.
I have a 200 amp service in my main and plan on starting with 2 6000xp’s but want to use the proper breaker and wire between sub panel and main panel. Also trying to think ahead with getting heavier wire between panels for future growth to a 3rd 6000xp so all I’d need to do is change the interlock breaker.
Thank you.
I have a 70 amp breaker at my main panel with the interlock kit. The 70 amp is appropriate for my 4 awg wire.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thank you
Going to be ordering a couple of those panels after the first. They have a curious statement about the PV rating that says 8kw but there's a 10kw maximum. No idea what they mean by that and find nothing in the specs about it. Only the minimum and maximum voltages and a warning to check panels for cold temp output.
Guess they can handle the watt fairies flying by and dumping a little dust on your panels? hahaha
I hope someone clarifies it too. The mppts can handle 4000w each so 8000w total and I guess the 10000w max pv input is to allow for over paneling for cloudy/winter days. That way the extra panels can help to make it to the 8000w max input. I guess in the summer at 10000w at max power it will clip it down to 8000w
Could be yeah. Curious they throw out numbers like that and leave you to guess what it's for.
But if I get 8kw total I'm sitting phat. My usage isn't very heavy @ about 20kwh/day. Storage is big on my list of things to do. Think 100kwh would be just peachy.
Find one of these new Ford Lightening's that somebody crashed into a tree, drag it around back and plug it in. Good to go. hahaha
I know. That is a strange statement and I was very unsure of it as well. I hope I can get some answers about that. Until then, 8k it is.
Great video. I have 1 question. On the second Inverter, is setting 21 set to P1 also, or P2? If both inverters are set to P1, does that not mean single phase on both and I would not get 240?
As far as I am aware, they are paralleled already when set to the 1PH type. Then all inverters need to be set to P1 phase.
Mine work fine like this and power my 240v loads.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thanks for the quick reply. We got two of the 6000xp's, one already running, 2nd to be hooked up. We are thinking about an additional 30KWH battery rack. That should give us enough power to go for a couple of rainy days.
I wonder what the P2 setting is for.
Glad you are expanding your system. Should be great for a few rainy days for sure.
Check out Sig Solar's video on commissioning the 6000xp's. Kelly did a great job explaining the setup about 2/3 of the way through the video. ua-cam.com/video/O8eVxRVwlnw/v-deo.htmlsi=2c4fKdNGKP8PhPn0
Question…Do you need to have the batteries into each inverter? What would I use to do that. I am just getting started really. I do have one bank of 4 Lipo EG4 batteries. Thanks!
In my opinion, yes. You will charge them way more quickly with both inverters being connected to a common buss bar charging the whole bank.
You mention it requiring two batteries. Is this because of the two units? Seems strange, not sure how that is required. It'd certainly be nice to have 2+ batteries just for the type of load a 12k system would typically have, but as a requirement to function?
That is the manufacturers recommendation.
Not meaning to be picking but just for some clarification, it looks like you have the negative from your PV array going in to the positive terminal on the mppt and the positive going in to the negative?
You’re correct. The wires are reversed in color from my original install but the polarity is correct.
@@CountryLivingExperience ahhhhhh ok cool, it makes sense now, that would confuse the heck out of me lol
Nice review, just curious why you went with two of these as opposed to one 18KPV
Thank you. I like to have a little redundancy with multiple smaller units. If one goes bad, I can still run most critical systems off of 1 unit. Or if I want to expand, I can add 1 more unit for much less than an 18k.
Very good point, thank you!
I saw someone use a 50 amp breaker ILO the 40 to power subpanel. Think he used #6 wire. What's your thoughts on that since you've had your setup for a while? Manual says 8 gauge which is good for 40 amps.
You can upsize it a bit. I think that 6 gauge may be the limit though. That said, following the manual is always best.
Are you still happy with the 6000XP over the 6500Ex for offgrid use? I got the quote to upgrade and need to decide. I'm not having issues except light flickering on some lights but like the idea of 120/240 on each inverter in case one of them goes down I can still power 240 loads.
Yes, it is working perfectly well. I had a few issues with my 6500's until I got the correct firmware update. When I switched them for the 600's they were working perfect as well.
So I am looking at this inverter and I am a little confused on the PV voltage ranges, especially the minimum MPPT startup voltage. You stated 140 volts as did a Signature Solar video that was very comprehensive. However, 140 volts is not mentioned in the spec sheet from Signature Solar. The spec sheet states in the PV Input Data section a Unit Startup of 100VDC (+/-) 10 VDC, DC Input Voltage Range of 100-480 VDC and an Operating VDC Range of 120-385 VDC. I watched a video by Will Prowse and he stated a 120VDC minimum to start the MPPT charging. Seems this value is very important in determining your minimum string size and the spec sheet is not matching any of the videos. Can you please confirm where you got 140 VDC as one you can search the Spec Sheet and only find 140 in two places and that is 140 A in the Battery Discharge Sections and 140 degrees for max storage temp.
So will this not operate on one battery? I'd like to use this for just our washroom alone due to it's 2-phase capability, but I didn't think I'd need more than one battery for just the washer/dryer and a light or two, a couple times a week.
Appreciate your thorough coverage brother.👍
You're welcome. Manufacturer recommends two batteries or a total of 200ah capacity.
@@CountryLivingExperienceVery good. I appreciate the quick reply, thanks so much.
@@Nat_Sarim You're welcome
Can one run a small shop with lights, outlets and power tools?
Yet, but.....Depends on the tools and how many are running at once. Depends on many factors. They have plenty of power for all kinds of jobs and tools.
What advantage does the xp have over properly running ex models?.
They are split phase so you can run only 1 unit if you want.
How are these 6000xp units working out so far? Are you getting any light flickering at all or is it steady (assuming you're using LEDs). I want to get these so bad, but it's a large chunk of change to drop on them! Trying to sell my 2 TP6048 units first!
They are flawless so far. I get flickering with grid power on my lower quality led bulbs. I don’t notice a difference in flicker with the inverters.
I just bought a EG4 600XP and had my electrician wire it to my Generac Transfer switch with a lite load. My electrician was not comfortable hooking the inverter to the batteries so I am wondering if there is an online service that I could pay to help me do that? There are not many solar consultants out on the Oregon coast where I live.
I make videos for the DIY individual. It is not that difficult and if you follow my vids, I think you can do it.
Wooden chopsticks make great pointers when dealing with electricity.
So what if it over loads? Would grid take over? And would it return to inverter mode?
It depends on how you have it set up and what settings you choose to program in.
I just started working on connecting my 6000xp and trying to follow your process. I noticed your pv connection is Negative on 1 and positive on 2. My inverter shows positive on #1 did the design change?
Nothing changed. Connect it how the manual shows.
The colors of my wires are reversed. That happened during my original setup a few years back. The polarity of my wires is correct though.
Can you hardwire a network cable to your existing home network rather than using the WiFi dongle?
Yes, there is but I am not sure how to do it. I know there is a process but you have to call EG4 and they will walk you through it.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thanks for the info. I thought there might be when I saw all those network ports on the unit. If you can hardwire into your network, it just seems like a more reliable and faster connection than WiFi.
How much battery storage do you have and approximately the what do you run off your system? I just ordered an off grid kit with the same inverters. I know I’ll need at least 2 more batteries. Kit came with 4 life pros
I have +/-46kw of storage. 10 EG4-LL 48v batteries. I run all modern appliances. I have 3 mini-splits. I do have a propane stove however. Well pump is on a separate system.
Do you feel like you have enough to comfortably not worry about power? I’m going to have to do the mini splits as well and they are my biggest concern of draw.
@@frankbohaczyk5968 Not yet. I am slowly building my system as money allows. I added more panels and a few more batteries this past year. I will continue to do that. I would say I have about 75% of what I would need to "not worry".
My mini-splits can draw about 1kw at the hottest part of the day but do an amazing job compared to a window unit or a central forced air system. They are the most efficient way to cool a home.
What happened when the batteries are fully charged? Does it automatically stop charging? Or is that something you have to set up?
All inverters do that. Once they are full, the voltage is sensed and it stops charging.
What's the max dc charging voltage the system allows? I have 17s batteries lifepo4 and I'm hoping it will be able to charge it...
450 volts at 20 amps. You need to scale your system components accordingly. Each inverter can only handle 16 100ah batteries by the way.
Is the eg4 chargeverter still needed with this newer inverter? Or can a 6.5k pl generator?
I still use it. Same concept applies as to it's purpose. You would still need a larger generator if directly connected to the inverters.
Can this inverter power the house directly from PV without batteries back up during day time ?
Yes
Can I use it with out batteries only get back up from grid
Thanks
Not these
Have you had good reliability with these? Looking to install in a remote camp with no internet!
Yes. They have been running flawlessly.
my EG4 6000xp refuses to put out power when i have it connected like yours are?
Since I can’t see it, I don’t know how to help.
Do these use grid power when the sun is out like the 6500 ex?
It depends on the setting you have. I usually have mine use Solar, Battery, Utility in that order.
Sorry, newbie here. What voltage and amp
Hours are your batteries?
I would like to build one, then double that, then add more batteries as I get better.
Richard
No problem. They are 48volt 100 amp hour batteries.
Please help me. I spent ten hours today ripping out an old solar power system (24v lead acid) and installing a new one(six lifepower4's and an EG4 6000XP). But the inverter will not produce power. I gotta get this new solar power system running tomorrow or I hafta rip it out and re-install the old!!!
Since I cannot physically see what you did, I cannot give you advice on what to fix. I need much more information
You said the inverter needed 2 batteries. But when hooked up you maintain voltage and increase AH, correct? Manual recommended >200ah, and 100v start up. What am I reading wrong? I just got a second LL v2 by chance to increase watt-hours, hadn’t heard/read the power up needs on battery, and I just get confused.
Yes, 2 100Ah batteries. Each EG4 battery is 100Ah.
I believe the 100v startup is referring to PV voltage, and is not referencing the battery voltage.
@@CountryLivingExperience yeah I kinda lucked out having ordered the 2nd battery as part of my original expansion. But I didn’t understand the 100v startup. The batteries will be parallel. My confusion is the voltage needed.
@rroades the voltage is from the panels for startup operation not the batteries as @TheRockingSockPuppet mentioned. Although, I believe it is 140v not 100v.
put better dc switch in underload i have seen your breaker go on fire
I have 2 of the eg4 6500ex 48v. Can I hookup one of these new 6000xp 48v to my existing 6500ex's? Is it doable? Thanks.
No, that’s not possible as far as I am aware. They won’t communicate with one another.
Will this unit allow pass through or does it run 100% of the time when on grid.
It allows for pass through.
If (when) we have a complete grid down situation, does this system work when there isn’t WiFi or ability to do firmware updates?
Once it is up and communicating properly, you shouldn't have to mess with it. You do not need the wifi. All solar system components from any company are going to offer the same challenges.
@@CountryLivingExperience thank you for clearing that up. It’s something that I was concerned about, and yes, I figured all of them were like that. I do miss the days of plug and play before apps and updates sometimes
novice here. i have no option for solar due to many trees surrounding us. are a pair of these still a good option? what batteries do you suggest and in what qty. would this be relatively easy for an electrician to install?
It would come down to the question of powering them. If you have too many trees and would not put up solar panels, how would you power them? A generator would be inefficient. Would you have battery storage? What is your goal for these inverters?
An electrician may not know DC or direct current connections. They are not that difficult to connect as I showed in the video.
Can these new units be installed outdoors?
No, they are not rated for exterior use.
Why not just drill a 2x4 to the wall as supporting the device while mounting it? Lift it up and rest itvon the 2x4 and that should allow you to secure the devices!
Shouldn't the breakers be 30 amp and not 40 amp
Have you worked with wind turbines?
Solar is really not a good option for me.
I haven’t, sorry. I don’t live in a windy area.
Excuse my ignorance, but how are the batteries connected to the inverters? Are both inverters paralleled to the batteries? Do you have separate battery banks to each inverter? At 11:15 you show the battery cables being connected to the second 6000XP but I don't see how those cables are connected to your batteries. Thanks for a clarification. Anyone can answer, thanks!
Here is my playlist for all of my solar system connections....ua-cam.com/play/PLe8gvCbPFkexFmUtg3xRS4sTZQ1Ve-ft1.html. Inverters are paralleled by changing the phase settings in each inverter and connecting communications cables to each....it does not have anything to do with the batteries per say. Each battery cable coming from the inverters is run back to a common bus bar which feeds both battery banks. All batteries are in parallel with one another.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thanks. Common bus bar and parallel! I'll watch thru your playlist as I'm going to order a 6000XP (start with one) and two 48V batteries. This video is very helpful, I expect your others will be also.
Glad it was helpful. This video probably shows the connections the best....ua-cam.com/video/-5w6b_2LxtQ/v-deo.html