Why the Hyperloop failed
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Hyperloops were supposed to be the future of transportation, but now one of the largest Hyperloop businesses (Hyperloop One) has closed down - so why is this?
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When Elon Musk proposed his futuristic new vision for transportation, the world ate it up, with Hyperloops planned everywhere from California, to India, to Australia. These were supposed to be cheaper and faster than traditional travel modes like rail and air.
But problems with the idea started popping up almost immediately, and now the biggest Hyperloop firm has shut its doors. So, in this video I want to ask what happened? And if we should still be investing in the Hyperloop technology over more tried and tested ones like High Speed Rail.
There's no mystery as to why it failed. The mystery is why anybody took the absurd claims seriously, even for a second.
Yep totally. Never going to happen
Ok Thunderfoot, we all know its you.
@@Waltham1892 Thunderfoot is not the only person to have a brain.
Bingo. Why the Hyperloop failed: it was a terrible idea that wouldn't even be that great if it were technically feasible, which it isn't. The End.
@@Waltham1892By “thunderfoot” are you talking about this UA-cam channel called “thunfer00t”?
Because if you are; I just found his channel and watched an old video of his from 2016 or something, and I can tell you now that I didn’t need him to come to pretty much the same conclusions about hyper loop. The only thing he has enlightened me of is the fact that this is actually nothing new (which is what I expected), everything else I immediately realised for myself about a decade ago when I heard of this.
Remember when Elon Musk promised to fix traffic in Las Vegas by building tunnels underground with autonomous high speed high capacity shuttles but instead we got Tesla's with a human drivers where passengers travel at speeds often less than 30mph and with traffic too? Yeah, if only there was another form of high capacity and reliable form of transit.
If you put proven Japanese SC maglev trains in a single breathable 11 psi tunnel it will go 700 km/h and if the tunnel is 14 meter diameter driven with 60 double shield hardrock TBM (that makes China behave) from 30 launch site compounds with 1,000 FIFO workers it can run overnight container trains earning $2b p/a plus daytime fares of $2b p/a and the Snowy 2 HVDC cables $12b p/a so it actually makes a profit.
Vegas should just demolish Elon's little pet project and build a metro system from scratch.
The Boring Company, the Hyperloop and next is a spaceship….
@@edwardbarnett6571Warning, warning - Musk fanboy alert!
@@julianhudson7811 agree. It's such an eyesore at this point.
it was made to stop momentum towards public transport in north america, so in that way it was a huge success.
Actually, it failed to do that too. CHSR is still being built and Brightline is also progressing on their proposed intercity line between Nevada and California.
@@ayoutubechannelnameas always, America is a decade behind
@@jacobmars1902 Hell, it’s more than that. More like 30+ years.
Toxic pessimism ruins America yet again... TYPICAL!
@@ayoutubechannelnameTeh hyperloop is technically high speed raile, just ridiculously more expensive and far more dangerous.
Hyperloop was not really meant to revolutionize public transit. The real purpose for it was to undermine support for public transit projects (particularly the California High-speed Rail Project) and maintain car dependency.
The problem with the Californian HSR is America is a democracy with everybody wanting a station in their town and opposition from farmers, NIMBYS, greens and taxpayers.
@@edwardbarnett6571 There are a few political problems for large infrastructure projects in general. They take many years, even decades to build for the biggest ones - but politics runs on the election cycle. It's just not good sense for any politician to spend public money today, passing up the potential for tax cuts, when the benefit won't be realised until many elections later when someone else will be in charge to take the credit. This is not the route to re-election.
For rail, there's also just a lack of public interest - the majority of American voters drive to commute, so they are a lot more interested in seeing road network expansion that will let them see benefits without having to change their lives in any way.
It was also intended to milk many hundreds of millions of dollars from idiotic and gullible "investors".
That’s possible.
But I don’t believe that, and think you’re giving Musk far too much credit. I get the overwhelming impression that Musk sincerely believed (and possibly still believes) in this nonsense. He likes to think that he has all the answers and this is how he wants people to move around Mars in the future.
Thankyou Thunderf00t for pointing this out years ago.
It wasn't just Thunderf00t. People closer to railways with much less subscribers also discussed it.
@@Daneelro I myself visited the Playa Vista headquarters in 2014 to warn them of the dangers, but Professor Craig Hodgetts and others laughed it off sadly. It was all about the hype!
I think this video really should have called into question the original purpose for Elon proposing the hyperloop, which was to slow down development of actual rail transport. The story of Hyperloop pretty much revolves around this. Elon never intended for it to exist or succeed, hence why he never actually did anything besides the initial planning documents.
It accomplished none of its objectives, and that includes it’s “original purpose”.
Musk is a con artist. He stood in front of the media and lied to them at Solar City, telling everyone all the houses they could see were solar powered, when they were not. He's promising to colonize Mars by 2050, yet no SpaceX rocket has even left earth's obit to date. Then there is Starlink, There are currently about 5,500 Starlink satellites in low earth orbit, with plans to launch up to 12,000, with a possible extension of up to 42,000. They also say the satellites only have a lifespan of 5 years. How sustainable is that?
The mere fact that the Chinese, who are world's best at building infrastructure, didn't jump on the Hyperloop bandwagon should tell you something.
@@Ozvideo1959 The Chinese are currently working on their own hyperloop in full force.. What are you talking about?
@@Chupabrah They will dabble with it, then abandon the concept. Why would China have a use for Hyperloop when they already have the world's largest HSR network?
Nobody has even proven that the concept works. A few hundred meter run at a speed a car could do does not constitute proof of concept.
It's just Musk's BS. Get over it, he's a con man.
Any practical engineer can tell Hyperloop will never work even if it is completely safe. This video fails to identify the root cause. It is very simple. A realistic passenger fare, no matter how exorbitant, can never pay for the cost of extracting air from atmospheric pressure to vacuum and maintaining it in a long tunnel. Ask any engineer or owner who has worked on a large air pump before and he/she will tell you how much energy is needed and how difficult to get to a vacuum condition!
Having an 11 psi single tunnel will allow the pressiure build up in front of the 700 km/h Japanese SC maglev train to be just pushed out the launch shaft exhaust valves eliminating a need for vacuum pumps.
@@edwardbarnett6571 But you still have to maintain 11psi over thousands of km tunnel by extracting the air continuously! A near vacuum is not going to be cheap either when without the loop or tunnel a Maglev train can already do 500km/h at the atmospheric condition.
So… where were these practical engineers for the past 10 years?
@@chengong388 Project decision in the west is always made by the money people like lawyers, accountants or investors. Engineers are only asked to provide studies, analyses and outline design. Centre to any of such large project there would have been at least one major "feasibility study" in which the engineers would be commissioned to check if the scheme could work, alternative designs schemes available and an estimate of the cost plus any extra or further study necessary to verify the practicality before the project goes ahead. It is obvious the Hyperloop is just an prototype study at the moment after the initial feasibility which should have highlighted the challenges and risks. A feasibility seldom declare a project a total death end but just hinting money would have to spent if extra information is required. May be the money people put a spin in it to make money themselves to sell project that doesn't have a future. Engineers have been employed all the time but they are just not allowed to speak out!
@@chengong388Thunderf00t mentioned the vacuum issue of vacuum but, He’s a chemist.
Its almost thunderfoot knew what he was talking about all along. Hmmm
Who could have seen that comming? THUNDERF00T!
It amazed me that it was not cancelled years ago.
I'm always saddened when I see cities like Brisbane or Perth implementing gadgetbahns for the same cost as a conventional mode of transport. Look how much damage the Scarborough "trackless tram" has already caused on the single road it was tested on. Brisbane Metro could have been a light rail system for the same cost, but no, they instead pursued with a glorified bus.
I agree with most of what you said, but why would you build it as light rail which doesn't have that much capacity and needs drivers, when you could have built it as a proper automated Metro and redirected the buses to run as feeder lines to the automated Metro lines?
@@kyletopfer7818Both Brisbane and Scarborough would be better off with a light metro and a LRT line respectively - so yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. We don't have any automated light rail lines in Australia, but Canada has several of them.
Yup, why Brisbane cannot have a LRT when Gold Coast just south of Brisbane which is connected by the suburban train with Brisbane is just weird and somewhat not making sense, this is from someone living in Gold Coast, also knowing that the train line connecting to Brisbane will take the new tunnels under the city center instead of the congested bottleneck with Cleveland line, acting as some sort of a heavy metro
@@lsp6032 LRT doesn't have enough capacity for Brisbane and since the bus corridor is entirely separate from other traffic it should be an automated Metro line running every 2min with high-capacity vehicles like what Sydney and Melbourne are doing.
@kyletopfer7818 okay I see, if your proposal in which automated metro goes through, the best bet would be to connect the existing suburban into metro tunnels throught the city, kinda like a more extensive cross river rail using existing rolling stock(especially the NGR which has faster acceleration and better climbing capability) is it?
It’s nice to see so many people understand the purpose of HyperLoop: so Musk could push EVs and stall rail.
That conspiracy theory, unlike most conspiracy theories, is both feasible and possible.
But I really don’t think it is true. I have never got the impression that Musk is really that clever and cunning, I think it’s more a case that Musk likes to think that he has a lot he answers to all the problems and that he believes in this, like the rest of his own poppycock.
@@danieleyre8913
Idk. He very easily could have put a subway in those tunnels he dug in Nevada. Instead he got the Las Vegas government to pay for it and now it’s exclusively a Tesla highway.
It’s not proof he planned the HyperLoop to just derail a high speed rail, but there’s precedent.
@@joeybulford5266 I think he honestly thinks that having electric cars in their own tunnel is the best solution. He has said that “public transport sucks” and that opinion is his honest one. The idea of having to site close to a stranger and share their transport is an anathema to him. In his limited comprehension zone; public transport is a failure because people have to share it and get close to other people.
He’s not actually very smart. Why do you think his fanclub is mostly made up of stupid people?
@@danieleyre8913
That makes sense. Public transportation isn’t very appealing when you’re the richest man in the world. And he’s not very smart. I used to really support the guy until I found out for myself that everything he does is Vaporware.
@@joeybulford5266 He’s only ever known being rich & highly privileged, he grew up in an Anglo family in apartheid era South Africa.
Although I frankly have never believed claims that he is the richest man in the world. I can believe that about Jeff Bezos (who is horrible, but no idiot and not that dishonest) and Vladimir Putin, but not about Musk. I think he’s like Donald Trump; he is very wealthy (much of which he inherited), but he puts in an image of being more wealthy than he is in actuality. I expect that if Musk goes in trial in future and is investigated; it will be revealed that he’s not even close to a billionaire, his total vale will be more like ~$25 million.
I could be wrong, but he just gives off phoney vibes.
Quick answers from me:
- ridiculously expensive to maintain;
- consumes a lot of power maintaining the vacuum tube alone;
- far easier to destroy to the point all you need is to throw a brick;
- any failure on the hyperloop will be a nightmare to fix, especially with the same concrete used to stop sabotage attemtps;
- emits far more CO2 due to the aforementioned power consumption;
- getting the hyperloop vacuum sealed takes a long time judging by its length;
This is why I prefer regular trains and especially trams and other forms of public transport vs the Hyperloop.
Trains were developed near 200 years ago
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Massive grift, I tip my hat to the "salesmen" who have kept it going this long.
MONORAIL!
I could be wrong. But I doubt that Musk was in a confidence job with this, I think he earnestly believes his own bulldust and that he has all the answers for the problems and that he expects hyperloop to shift people around Mars in the future.
The other hyperloop companies are all con-job’s though.
I'm waiting for Elon to announce the Teslaporter and it will be operation in 2028. "No need for expensive & time consuming infrastructure, just press a button and you're there instantly! We can eliminate airplanes and airports." I just need $2 billion.
@@KWHCoaster A decade ago he was seriously proposing a passenger rocket service between London & Sydney.
U.S can't even get high speed rail, why would anyone think this tech would work ?😂
They spend more time in court than building anything and we would have the same on the surface.
Futuristic pods get VC funding, because the rich people who control money in tech are actually not that smart. Their only strategy is (was?) throw as much money as possible at everything and if 1% of it sticks, they'll get huge returns on investment. For every Facebook there are 99 Hyperloops dead in the graveyard of unheardof startups.
For starters it's a joke, nobody wants to travel in a contained tube anyway the best way to travel is by train, you see the sites and a scenery but yet you're at a moderate speed: faster than car, but slower than a plane. hyperloop was an absolute joke from the beginning, it was ugly, invasive, and dystopian.
Theranos; Nikola; Hyperloop - Snake Oil for the 21st century, but now praying on the rich and greedy, not the poor and ignorant...
It’s gone down with Virgin Orbit and SpinLaunch as just another mad-man’s pipe dream!
They will scam investers by saying "oh this won't work on earth because of atmosphere, but this is best solution to get things off the moon, it will be cheapest way to launch something off the moon for earth and mars.".
Spin launch will scam for decade or more too sadly...
Not pipe dream: total scams.
Because physics exists.
Because it was a gadgetbahn
Thank you
Ironically I think the implosion of the Titan earlier this year showed us what over-confident under-developed pressurized projects can do when you ignore conventional safety standards because you think you know best...
_"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people [have too many] doubts, while the stupid ones [have too much] confidence."_
_"The problem with the world is that the wise tend to avoid leadership, while the idiots tend to take over without care."_
It was as stupid idea 100 years ago and it will always be a stupid idea.
All the fuss about the Hyperloop was intended to drown the success of China's High Speed Rail at that time.
I don't think anyone has ever adequately explained how you are supposed to get in and out of these things.
Airlocks. But smart people knew it was insanely dumb from the very beginning.
Staying _in_ those things is even more problematic.
First, you need some form of autonomous energy supply for the on-board passenger support systems of the pod, since the pod will be fully isolated from the grid. Meaning it will have to carry heavy batteries, like Space Karen's cars.
Second, you need another autonomous system to supply air to breathe & remove CO2, like on a spaceship or submarine, and these must work not just for the duration of a one-hour travel, but several hours in case the system breaks down and people are stuck in the pods.
Third, any system of air conditioning and any system of energy supply will need some means to lose heat to its surroundings in some way. In a pod in a vacuum tube, you cannot do that by ventilation, and you cannot do that by heat conduction, all you have is radiation heat, and that's only efficient in case of a great temperature difference.
When I was a small little man kid I went to the bank with my Dad. He was making a withdrawal where I saw a pod shoot down a tube before arriving at the tellers desk with money and a slip inside. I was amazed and asked my Dad why people aren't using these tubes to travel. He told me to stop being stupid. I didn't question him because his background was metal forging and engineering.
I just can't understand why nobody was there to tell Musk or anybody interested in trying to build a vacuum train that it was a stupid idea. Billions of pounds have gone up in smoke.
Thunderf00t explained a decade ago why the Hyperloop was a big scam from the start.
Every engineer worth his or her salt could have told you this. It was a total BS grift from the start.
Absolutely. It was BS from the start
Getting the thing to tank 1 bar of atmospheric pressure while holding 1 millibar is already a nightmare to do with a coke can. Imagine a 600,000m tube.
I think that the other hyperloop companies are confidence jobs.
But I don’t think that of Musk and his project. I think he actually earnestly believes in it.
@@danieleyre8913 then I would question his engineering ability, cause seriously, hyperloop is a truly terrible idea and wouldn't work even with vast sums thrown at it
@@matgeezer2094 Hyperloop was what confirmed my strong suspicions about Musk actually being a moron.
Gadgetbahn. New name for an phenomenon that's been around for centuries.
Centuries?...
Who could have foreseen it would have failed! SHOCKED!
You, me, and anyone on planet Earth with more than half a brain.
It wasn't hard to see from concept drawings on, that it was a ridiculous concept. Can you imagine how much vacuum and pumps required to make for a tunnel the length from San Fran to LA? Among the tremendous other obstacles it would take to overcome. Ridiculous!
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There is a shinkansen called The Line that can travel 500km/m as the train levitates by means of electromagnets. It doesn't use a hyper tube though
Exactly, and if you put it in a breatable 11 psi 14m diameter tunnel it can go 700 km/h and have overnight container trains.
The maglev trains are more prestige projects. The construction and servicing costs are huge, and they aren't that much faster than high speed conventional rail. Countries build maglev for the sake of national pride, and with taxpayer subsidies.
@@vylbird8014 Regular trains are near their max speed. But maglev have not reach their max speed yet. Sure the regular service of china's maglev was 431km/hr (now reduced to 300km/hr) and that is not much different from high speed rail. But experimentally, China has made its maglev train go upto 600km/hr and that is a lot faster than high speed rail. So the next generation of maglev trains will probably see their speed increase above anything a regular highspeed train can do.
honestly the best way to get a “hyperloop” built would be to build regular HSR and just brand it as hyperloop
HSR in Europe is limited to 110 km/h with freight and China does 350 km/h with freight but can only take 110 ton and you need freight to take trucks off the road between big cities too far apart for trucks but too close for trains.
HSR tracks are generally reserved for passenger trains only. Freight trains can use the capacity that is freed up on the conventional lines by moving passenger trains to dedicated HSR tracks.
But there is a great need to replace diesel trucks between big cities 1,000 km apart and it is better to use electricity directly than to use batteries or hydrogen.and conventional rail is too slow for palatised freight@@danieljk826
Just call it "hyperrail" and call it a day. "Inspired by revolutionary technology" but just don't mention that said technology is 200 years old.
@@edwardbarnett6571That is complete and utter nonsense. I have ridden TGV trains in France, the Eurostar, ICE trains in Germany and Talgo trains in Spain that were clearly travelling in excess of 200km/h (often 250 km/h) for most of the journey, as was not only the only possible explanation for the transit time but also could be seen out the window.
I didn’t take the fast trains in Italy though, they were not finished constructing the infrastructure when I was there.
It was a distraction by a car company owner to slow down an actual rail project.
Maybe, but it remains as mystery as to why anyone took it seriously.
@@JulianPardoe that's simple, a lot of Fanboy-ism and dumb investors.
@@marcogentile3392 Unsurprising
That’s an entirely feasible and possible conspiracy theory.
But I don’t believe that. I think you give Musk too much credit and that he’s not that cunning. I get the overwhelming impression that Elon baldy head actually believes in his own delusions about knowing the answer to everything and that he earnestly believes in hyperloop.
@@danieleyre8913 he literally admitted it himself tho
musk is the master of bs
Nobody is right 100% of the time and that is what is wrong with a dictatorship.
We’re still waiting on the Tesla Roadster, and Tesla Semi. Thankfully we just got the Tesla Cyber Truck about a couple months ago. It was introduced about 10 years ago.
@@edwardbarnett6571And Elon Musk is correct about 1% of the time.
The economics never stacked up - Musk made up some ridiculous figures for what it would apparently cost, and they were likely 10 to 100 times less what a hyperloop actually would. Such incredible amounts of material and maintenance for a vacuum chamber that large, huge amounts of energy to pump down and maintain the low pressure... And then a tiny, tiny capacity per pod. A big part of why rail works is because you can fit hundreds or even one or two thousand people on a train, these pod-based transit ideas are always non-starters unless you're selling tickets for over $1000!
It's a dumb idea although people tend to considerer as a good idea. Hyperloop as designed would never manage a high demand because the time to get in and get out of the system is the botleneck. The tickect would have to be astronomical for a regular Joe.
Yeah that too.
But the biggest stumbling block is the utter impracticality of trying to maintain an extreme low pressure environment in large bore tunnels. It would be extremely expensive to build, operate, and keep maintained. And it would be extremely prone to catastrophic failure, and the outcome of that failure would be horrific.
Simple really, air resistance only become a significant factor for a long train when it is constantly traveling at high speed. TThe US has no high speed train. So there is no need for the gimmick of a vacuum tunnel to remove air resistance so that a high speed train can go even faster.
Maybe once we have a maglev train running at +1000km/hr as regular service, then there will be a need for a vac chamber to remove the sonic booms from the train. China's best test speed on a Maglev train is 600km/hr. So very far away
Are they selling the tube?
Thousands of miles of ultra expensive vacuum tubes. Cuz if it isn't vacuum tubes, its just an ordinary subway. Half a billion dollars you say? A fool and his money, as they say.
The problems are a lot worse than what you mentioned. Not even the most basic of parts for this build were ever designed or evaluated. The expansion joints that would have enabled the tube to adapt to different temperatures were never even put on the to-do list. The doors that would have permitted people to go from the outside of the tube to the inside of the vehicle were not even mentioned. The bulkheads that would have to exist every kilometer or so to close off one part of the tube to do maintenance to a section were not even in the dreams of anyone. As a matter of fact, the word "maintenance" did not exist in the vocabulary of anyone in Hyperloop.
Problem number one is time it takes in average to move a container from ex Rotterdam to New York using ships compare to hyperloops. Its faster to load 5 containership in Rotterdam, sail over to New York and unload these ships, than send all 100 000 contrainers through hyperloop channel in atlantic ocean. In average time to transport anything, hyperloop is slower than anything.
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Good video. Might I suggest better lighting next time? Cheers.
All hail Thunderfoot
Was Mr & Mrs Goddard's patent in any way similar to what Musk made 'Open Source' so generously?
How could Musk make something open source if he didn't invent it in the first place? Did he patent (or show his workings for) any of his ideas on vacuum trains? What exactly did he make open?
They fucked it up with magnetic levitation.
...like somebody wasn't aware of the price of copper or/and cobalt.
SkillUp is this you, is this ai voice with chatGTP or this someone that sounds and writes like you?
Can something which is impossible to succeed actually fail?
Freight hyperloop ? To get fresh berries from Florida to Alaska ?
Hopefully from now journalists can use AI for fact checking before flooding media with hyped up nonsense .
My dude, it was doomed from the start. They didn't even decided on how to get the thing to move for many years, lmao
The hyperloop was a ridiculous idea, it wouldn't work in a million years. Truly terrible idea. The idea of maintaining giant vacuum tubes is absolutely absurd. It was proposed to screw up the momentum towards a public railway network
If we always waited for "tried and true" technologies we would not have any number of current transformational technologies. Better to dream, try, and fail rather than be stuck in time technologically. 15 years ago, no one believed you could propulsively land a reusable rocket, but a few people did. Now it's considered normal.
great video as always but please use different music in your next video 😭 it gets real repetitive real quick
Yeah… it’s probably about time I changed that lol
@@City-Moose 🙏
Wow, it's like criticts were right all along.
it failed due to Elon being involved
No man knows everything
At some point the train will stop for any number of reasons. Then you're stuck in a tube with no way out.
According to Musk, hyperloop would be useful on Mars as no tubes would be needed because Mars' atmosphere is about 1% the density of the Earth's at sea level.
Any competent engineer could have told you that the hyperloop idea was a pure adolescent sci-fi fantasy from day one. What's surprising is how many people who should have known better were fooled by the hype and WHAT HYPE it was.
The biggest con was how it was promoted by Musk as costing LESS than high-speed rail, obviously totally impossible.
The fact mainstream media reported this shows us just how far gone media is today.
It would have never worked. Anyone with half the size of Elon's brain knew this.
Can it even be said to have got as far as failing, it was never a starter in the first place.
Leaving aside all the engineering problems, small pods obviously won't replace long trains, it doesn't take more than a few seconds of thought to realise that.
Legally challenging route planning, huge construction costs, huge running costs, vulnerable to catastrophic failure, and poor capacity. Dead idea at the concept stage. And the kicker is an engineering problem still hasn't been solved, namely fast ingress/egress. All demonstrations so far have passengers waiting in the pod as the entire tube is depressurised and repressurised.
From the start it was a misquote and a gross typo. Actually, it was the hyperpoop.
I am not sure with current technology if it would even be possible keeping hundreds of miles of tunnels under vacuums sounds almost impossible with letting passengers and freight on and off
It is technologicaly possible.
Just not practical in any meanigful way.
If you ever find it hard to develop a Maglev train, place it in a tube, remove the air and let it go really really fast.
Who thinks what is going to happen to the Starships that are going to Shuttle people across the globe in 45 minutes from launch to landing?
What about the hundreds of people who are going to Mars on Starship after a quick 5 month flight, to a freezing planet, with no life, food or liquid water?
A particle collider acelerator is more easy to make compared to the Hyperloop, it is not feasible. This money could have been used to help the public transport infrastructure but it was burn out in vaporware.
It had nothing to do with transport. It was research into artificial gravity. If you don't understand. Loop creates centrifugal force. Underground because it protects against radiation. Vacuum and else are nice to haves.
"Los Angeles to San Fransisco for $6B"
$6B / 422 miles = $14.22M / 5,280 ft = $2,670/ft. Right..... not even with cheap labour and materials from China.
even if this was built trains would still have great importance!
only the smoothest of brains believed in the hyperloop.
You don't even point out Musk's _actual_ contribution to the 100-year-old vacuum train idea, and jumped straight to the point where Hyperloop developers discarded it.
You see, Musk wasn't proposing a maglev in a vacuum. He was proposing a _hovertrain_ in a vacuum. A train held up by a miniscule low-pressure air cushion. Seriously! But Hyperloop developers quickly realised that the energy equation is terrible when vacuum pumping is counted in and the low-pressure air cushions won't prevent the pods from slamming into the vacuum chamber walls due to the smallest disturbance.
The second I saw that all these designs had a huge fan on the front, for a train supposedly traveling in a vacuum tube. I knew it was being proposed by, and invested in by morons who had no clue how physics or reality actually work.
Maglev trains ought to be the future
It was never a business, it was a scam like monorail in the Simpsons, anyone with even foundational understanding of vacuum physics could at anytime explain why this is an impossibly stupid idea. From the complexity (or more precisely impossibility) of creating and maintaining the necessary vacuum level in hundreds km of tubes to the heat problem for the pods inside, all of this screams STUPID.
It failed because it was a clown idea that was just high speed rail but even more costly and impractical, which takes doing. It failed because it was a bad idea being pushed hard by a single person who has been surrounded by a throng of sycophants, yet at no point did it present a solution to a problem that needed solved with that specific bit of technology. The US can barely keep Amtrak running, this was incredibly doomed, no matter what. There, 11 minutes saved. Sometimes I feel like the only man on earth not making pointless UA-cam fodder.
We need more monorails...qed. =)
Thunderf00t killed it off years ago...
Hyperloop is not failed in the Netherlands they are still working on the hyperloop
Hahahaha how far have they got?
How dare you! The hyper loop is genius! It was conceived by the greatest mind of all time, Elon, as he meditated on the top of Mount Fuji in Japan! The concept must be right! The fact that mere mortals cannot build it does not mean it’s wrong!
Anyone with any knowledge of classical mechanics should have predicted this.
WHY DID IT FAIL? It was never supposed to work, it was a scam from the beginning
No mention of Brunel's "atmospheric railway" in the history section. One big flop foreshadowing another.
Not really the same. The Brunel system had a pipe, and air was pumped out of it ahead of the train by trackside pumps, but there the similarity ends. The train wasn't in the pipe, it was connected through a narrow slot to a piston within the pipe which was laid between the conventional running rails. The broad track gauge used on the South Devon Railway meant there was plenty of space for the pipe. The piston and train were pushed along by the pressure difference between atmospheric pressure behind the train and the partial vacuum ahead of it.
Although fast for the time, the system proved underpowered for heavy loads and difficult to maintain, especially the seal over the slot in the top of the pipe which had to open up temporarily to permit passage of the linkage between the piston and the train and then reliably seal back up again. Only one train per pumping section could be handled and it was expensive to add more pumping stations, which were large, steam powered and needed staffing to tend their boilers and start the pumps on demand when a train was ready to run. Junction switches were complicated because of the huge pipe between the rails. Another railway, in London, that used the technology installed the world's first rail over rail bridge where they crossed a different company's conventional steam operated tracks as they couldn't cross on the level with a diamond. Luckily for the SDR, steam locomotives were rapidly becoming larger and more capable around the time the atmospheric technology was abandoned.
In the Hyperloop idea, the partial vacuum plays no part in propulsion, only in minimising air resistance.
Why did the hyperloop fail?
Because it was all the ways to die of a spaceship and a submarine rolled into one death trap.
Anyone who put a single dollar in this stupid idea had more money than brains. Anyone who had maintained equipment and welded thick pipes knows this is complete Astrofantasy.
Your video gives an excellent summary of the story so far. But the elevator music in the background sucks and distracts. I couldn't stand it and switched off before the end.
Bringing the dangers of space travel down to earth is a dumb idea.
The Boring Company, the Hyperloop and next is a spaceship….
😂 It failed 5-6 years ago. It failed on announcement. If you bothered to listen to the criticism rather than give yourself a magical snow job, you would already know this. No news.
Whered all the money go
It's a money burning party.
shouldn't be called "HYPERLOOP" but "HYPELOOP" as it comes and goes and always comes down to hype followed by disappointment.
It’s a dumb idea from the beginning. What a monumental waste of money.
Thunderf00t predicted this 8 years ago, and yet, they laughed at him...
Guess who is laughing now!
I never heard of him until I read this comments section.
But I said hyperloop is a bunch of BS when I first saw it over a decade ago. I just watched the first video from that thunderf00t guy on the topic and yup he said what I was saying. To be honest; anyone with half a brain should come to the same conclusions.
Why the obsession with going so fast?
What I wanna know, is what happened to all the Elon Musk fanboys who constantly screamed shit like, “that’s what they said to the Wright brothers!”
another hit and run grandiose idea from Musk
Well done. I think you can add the ridiculous hydrogen cars and buses to the mix of technologies designed to siphon off government and investor money. Existing EV technologies are scalable enough to work. We don’t need more complexity. Hovercrafts failed in similar fashion. Terrible in bad weather. Ok for niche markets. But never long term for mass transit.
If you ran that argument in the early 1900’s we would still be using steam engines. EV technology is going ahead in leaps and bounds with companies investing billions of their own money in factories and technology. You have to take the nonsense pumped out by right wing media and politicians who will amplify any setback no matter how insignificant.
10:10 The Australian example is the Sydney Melbourne HSR distraction when there are hundreds of other more beneficial transport projects needed today.
Frankly, a HSR network will only make sense with good connection with standard suburban train network, especially at Sydney in which it is possible to just run high speed trains into the city centre using suburban train tracks like what France did with TGV, upgraded signalling and increased capacity will help with such proposal
EVs might be if used in a more efficient manner, through some form of car-sharing system. But the expectation in many developed world that every household must own at least one car, ideally one car per adult member, is simply not sustainable. A city can easily have more land area devoted to parking space than everything else put together.
*HYPEloop = theranos edison*
"This is fake news. Hyperloop received another $100B to burn for the next 12 months." - - - a Hyperloop cheer leader.
But it was so easy...