Dr Carlisles book is a very good read, he is not a good talker, but his book is great. It's on Amazon kindle for only 6.24 $ title: I'm Not Guilty: The Case of Ted Bundy (The Development of the Violent Mind Book 1)
My belief is that when Ted started with the detective magazines and porn these were the first sexual images he ingested. His brain was wired to associate violence with sex. He later comments that he sought out greater and greater violence in porn shows his relationship with violent porn. His young brain was started on a path and his personality took over and created a monster.
I believe, Ann Marie Burr was a Bundy victim. I'm not sure if it was his first or what. First off the crime scene was very similar to that of Lynda Ann Healy. Like Healy he lived nearby, had a paper route and had an uncle that lived next to her I believe, which means he knew the area.. Plus, they knew one another, I heard she use to follow him around and liked him. Again, like Healy he probably knew about the open window, knew how to get into and out of the house. And, being they knew one another, she might have left with him, willingly, thinking it was some game, etc. The fact, he denies it, means nothing. As, strange as it sounds, there are some things, some crimes, acts, etc that these criminals won't talk about. For example, when Bundy first confessed he would talk in detail about how he club these girls with a crowbar, rape them and strangle them, and dump them. In one case, talking about beheading and burning the head later in his girlfriend's fireplace, but not about the acts later with the dead bodies, at least in detail. And, age has nothing to do with it. Teenagers are the ones doing the school shootings today. Gary Ridgeway the INFAMOUS Green river Killer admitted to stabbing a young boy, almost killing him, just to see what it was like, when he was in his teens. And, others have done similar crimes, before starting their spree. Dna testing stated, there wasn't enough to prove his guilt in this case, but it didn't clear him either.
There is no evidence to that and it’s doubtful. The trigger to the spree in the 70s was his being dumped by the girl who he loved very much combined by the discovery of proof of his birth - he went and got a copy of his birth certificate. That combined set him off .
@@revanth3508 He practically confessed in the third form a case like this and as a kid he put knives around his aunt in her sleep. So many believe it started much earlier and they pointed out the abusive relationship with his grandad
Why didn't this guy mention that Ted's mom gave birth to him at a home for unwed mothers and left Ted with an orphanage as a new born. He is at the orphanage for several months before his mom changed her mind and decided to take him home. Ted's mom tells him that she is his sister and they family pretends that Ted's grandparents are his parents. He learns the truth when he is a teenager.
Yeah there was so much shame secrecy and deception around his birth, i feel very strongly that his grandfather Sam was more than likely his biological father. The grandfather was ALSO a psychopath who terrorized his family, beat his wife, and enjoyed swinging cats by their tail and flinging them against walls. I think Ted partially got his genetic bad seed from him.
Al Carlisle was the first person to conduct a psych assessment of Bundy in 1976 following his arrest for kidnap in Utah. Read his book Violent Mind, which is a reprint of that assessment and in it he goes into detail about Bundy’s illegitimacy, childhood etc.
@@carrie8541 I think you are right, although even Ted himself could not explain his behaviour and referred to his normal being and monstrous being by splitting. Maybe when Ted and her mother finally came 'home', his mother continued to be molested/sexually abused by her father? Or maybe she had even been groomed from an early age by her father? While Ted and his grand-mother were not only silent witnesses of the sexual abuse and appetite within the house, but also truly shamed of their incapability and need to put up faces with everyone around. Now, how could anyone in this situation develop an emotional attachment to someone, leave alone an intimate relationship? Ted was horrified of intimacy, including intimacy with himself.
I think he is very close to Ted Bundys Mind. "The Development of the Violent Mind" is the right headline for that. He explains how a normal mind can develop into a violent mind. He explains how isolated Ted was in his youth and how he escaped into megalomanic fantasies of politics, sex and violence. But Ted did not have enough energy for that because he was bullied at school and at home and fell into depression. Then he acted his aggression out on girls and women - combined with sex fantasies.
This early mentality of Bundy reminds me of a guy I once knew that stated "I try to be a good guy and can't even get one star....so I might as well be bad and get 5" which is a very scary thought!
He leaves out a lot of information, including when Ted took revenge on his fiancee by calling off the engagement; and more importantly, the devastation of finding out, as an adult, that his mother was actually his sister, and his parents were really his grandparents.
He's also wrong about about Ted's first murder too...it wasn't 2 girls at once,it only one, 2 girls on the same day happened later on at lake sammammish
Zoe K It has been speculated that he kept one alive, and went and abducted the other...when he killed one he made the other watch. Ive read this on a few different forums.
No he's saying in late 68:or 69 when back east, he killed to beach goers Atlantic Beach while he was there,the may have even tried to kill two stewardesses in 1966 in Seattle at 19
my strange theory was that ted's grandpa molested his daughter ted's mom and got her pregnant at that young age. his mom went to a young mothers home to have ted and then she left him there. then when ted's grandpa found out that she did that he demanded she go back and bring that boy home. (cause he was his) cause how many guys could ted's mom be screwing to where she didn't know who the father was? ted's grandpa was extremely violent and had a severe temper so that combo with incest produced a monster. so his brain was already damaged and finding out he was lied to by his mom his whole childhood filled him with hatred and rage towards woman and ultimately led to the monster he became.
You could be right, being a product of incest is extremely dangerous and causes psychological problems for the kid. Especially when you were born from incest from an abusive grandfather. I also believe the grandfather's abusive tendencies when Ted was a kid had an affect of Ted that evolved him into a monster, despite being only a baby when he grew up with his grandfather. Even as a baby, Bundy showed very disturbing behavior, such as surrounding his sister with knifes while she was sleeping, with Bundy smiling.
I think it was the guy Loyd Marshall he was of PA, he was in sales, he looks like Ted, also neither of the other daughters molested.... Usually a molester continues
so much info about bundy, thanxs so much for this video. I was a loner in skool too my so called friends did some awful things to me, so I really feel sorry for him. I personally don't think he killed that 8 yr old, for her to completely disappear like that? he was only a boy, not even properly sexually mature, wasn't an older boy suspected by police, find a foot print that was too big and heavy to fit bundy, he seemed to flat out denies this, whereas his other killings..............ive no idea
I feel for him too... inside he was really a great person who just never knew that he had anything good in him when he did... I was bullied in school, and I am a lot like he was when he was younger, I think. I feel a lot of understanding for him... The whole situation, what happened to both him and the victims is all so sad... People judge him and call him sociopath but really inside he was never that, he was just hurt and afraid, I don't think he really ever knew himself, maybe at one point he did but still...
This was posted in 2012-ish? That was when Dr. Carlisle had just published his first book, so he was still getting used to doing presentations on the timeline.
It had to be later cause Elizabeth Klopher wrote thr second edition of her book much later than 2012 it would have been maybr 2018 when the latest movies were coming out.
I find this really hard to listen to. It's such a scattershot overview of Ted's life, and glosses over so much. Then there are those What The Hell moments that grind up against what I've learned from other sources. Most grating of all is this cheerfully dismissive attitude regarding Ted's issues, possibly informed by the knowledge he was a killer (for who there is no excuse by one school of thought) yet applied to the earlier Ted who was merely a very troubled kid. (Beware, troubled kids who may watch this, because your feelings will be dismissed.) But maybe it's not the killing so much that drives the way that Al tells it as Ted's lying for much of his life. Carlisle through his book is saying 'I will make you tell the truth dammit if I have to put words in your mouth after you are dead'. Carlisle could even have decided to buy Ted's minimizations when they worked against Ted as a way of getting back at him. There appears to be much that is good in Al Carlisle's book, judging from GoodReads reviews. Could he have written himself out of the story? I may one day seek to resolve my confusion. But there can be no doubt that if you're serious about learning how a violent mind can develop, you're going to be better off with my book. I'm an extremely Bundy-like person, extremely introspective and with an extremely good long-term memory. Only one leap of faith is required. You have to stay open to the possibility that a person who has never dived off the deep end could nevertheless understand from the inside the compulsion to walk the plank.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker "Come up, be with us" says the family up west to Louise when Ted is two years old. Way I heard it last was more along the lines of "Get your ass in the car, Louise, we have to get you and Ted away from your violent mutual father Sam Cowell. If you're going to give Ted the speculative murder of Ann Burr, you can indulge the rumor that Ted was a product of incest, and let us chew on how that might have affected the start he had in life. As it is, we are chewing on nothing, and the 730 most intensively formative days of Ted's life are already in the books.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker Oh, so Louise is his mother? Someone forgot to tell Ted! How in the world was this missed?? He was raised to think his mom was his sister, so shameful was his being a bastard. What has Bundy's comp Jack Nicholson been up to? Enquiring minds know that he's been spanking hookers and self-medicating everyone under the table.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker It is mondo bizarro to fill our heads with Ann Burr three minutes in, then continue along interminably with the developmental stuff when we don't know whether we've in reality reached the stage of rinse and repeat. Bundy's life makes a lot more sense if we let his truth be The Truth in this case, and let the break-up with his first love be the trigger, the news of his family secret the bullet. This resonates as true for me personally, because I myself experienced a dark transformation as result of being rejected.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker You got that, all you losers out there who get passed over in high school? You're inadequate, that explains it. Thank you, doctor for confirming our self-diagnosis. Ted Bundy was a complete rock star in the making, and absolutely nobody knew it.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker But maybe they should have (known he was becoming a rock star) because this stuff about him being one of the elites on the scene on the slopes and then afterward going home alone sounds just like Janis Joplin.
Not eloquent at all. Agree with comment below; he's all over the place. It doesn't appear as if he's prepared anything. A really amateur ' lecture' & not informative or with any depth of research not understanding. Who is he anyway?
He never was good at talking in front of people and would get nervous all the time so even when he has notes and knew what he was going to say he would forget and bounce around.....he was my grandfather and was a very kind and intelligent person
Dr Carlisles book is a very good read, he is not a good talker, but his book is great. It's on Amazon kindle for only 6.24 $ title:
I'm Not Guilty: The Case of Ted Bundy (The Development of the Violent Mind Book 1)
Thank you. I just bought this. I didn't know it existed.
My belief is that when Ted started with the detective magazines and porn these were the first sexual images he ingested. His brain was wired to associate violence with sex. He later comments that he sought out greater and greater violence in porn shows his relationship with violent porn. His young brain was started on a path and his personality took over and created a monster.
I believe, Ann Marie Burr was a Bundy victim. I'm not sure if it was his first or what. First off the crime scene was very similar to that of Lynda Ann Healy. Like Healy he lived nearby, had a paper route and had an uncle that lived next to her I believe, which means he knew the area.. Plus, they knew one another, I heard she use to follow him around and liked him. Again, like Healy he probably knew about the open window, knew how to get into and out of the house. And, being they knew one another, she might have left with him, willingly, thinking it was some game, etc. The fact, he denies it, means nothing. As, strange as it sounds, there are some things, some crimes, acts, etc that these criminals won't talk about. For example, when Bundy first confessed he would talk in detail about how he club these girls with a crowbar, rape them and strangle them, and dump them. In one case, talking about beheading and burning the head later in his girlfriend's fireplace, but not about the acts later with the dead bodies, at least in detail. And, age has nothing to do with it. Teenagers are the ones doing the school shootings today. Gary Ridgeway the INFAMOUS Green river Killer admitted to stabbing a young boy, almost killing him, just to see what it was like, when he was in his teens. And, others have done similar crimes, before starting their spree. Dna testing stated, there wasn't enough to prove his guilt in this case, but it didn't clear him either.
There is no evidence to that and it’s doubtful. The trigger to the spree in the 70s was his being dumped by the girl who he loved very much combined by the discovery of proof of his birth - he went and got a copy of his birth certificate. That combined set him off .
@@revanth3508 He practically confessed in the third form a case like this and as a kid he put knives around his aunt in her sleep. So many believe it started much earlier and they pointed out the abusive relationship with his grandad
As others have said, this man wrote excellent books. I just read The Violent Mind and oh boy. Great, great stuff
Why didn't this guy mention that Ted's mom gave birth to him at a home for unwed mothers and left Ted with an orphanage as a new born. He is at the orphanage for several months before his mom changed her mind and decided to take him home. Ted's mom tells him that she is his sister and they family pretends that Ted's grandparents are his parents. He learns the truth when he is a teenager.
Yeah there was so much shame secrecy and deception around his birth, i feel very strongly that his grandfather Sam was more than likely his biological father. The grandfather was ALSO a psychopath who terrorized his family, beat his wife, and enjoyed swinging cats by their tail and flinging them against walls. I think Ted partially got his genetic bad seed from him.
@@carrie8541 yes.
Al Carlisle was the first person to conduct a psych assessment of Bundy in 1976 following his arrest for kidnap in Utah. Read his book Violent Mind, which is a reprint of that assessment and in it he goes into detail about Bundy’s illegitimacy, childhood etc.
@@carrie8541 I think you are right, although even Ted himself could not explain his behaviour and referred to his normal being and monstrous being by splitting. Maybe when Ted and her mother finally came 'home', his mother continued to be molested/sexually abused by her father? Or maybe she had even been groomed from an early age by her father? While Ted and his grand-mother were not only silent witnesses of the sexual abuse and appetite within the house, but also truly shamed of their incapability and need to put up faces with everyone around. Now, how could anyone in this situation develop an emotional attachment to someone, leave alone an intimate relationship? Ted was horrified of intimacy, including intimacy with himself.
@@pricejoss Yeah, the 1st and the most incompetent.
I think he is very close to Ted Bundys Mind. "The Development of the Violent Mind" is the right headline for that. He explains how a normal mind can develop into a violent mind.
He explains how isolated Ted was in his youth and how he escaped into megalomanic fantasies of politics, sex and violence. But Ted did not have enough energy for that because he was bullied at school and at home and fell into depression. Then he acted his aggression out on girls and women - combined with sex fantasies.
he didnt have normal mind
i love this dr carlysle he has some of the best insight and psychological analysis of ted. he wrote amazing books too.
This early mentality of Bundy reminds me of a guy I once knew that stated "I try to be a good guy and can't even get one star....so I might as well be bad and get 5" which is a very scary thought!
He leaves out a lot of information, including when Ted took revenge on his fiancee by calling off the engagement; and more importantly, the devastation of finding out, as an adult, that his mother was actually his sister, and his parents were really his grandparents.
These presentations are only given a brief period of time to present the whole thing, and this is only the first half of this presentation.
He knew his mother was his mother from at least 5 years old. He found out he was illegitimate when he was older.
He's also wrong about about Ted's first murder too...it wasn't 2 girls at once,it only one, 2 girls on the same day happened later on at lake sammammish
and what do you base your opinion on? Did you evaluate and spend hours upon hours with Ted too?
Zoe K It has been speculated that he kept one alive, and went and abducted the other...when he killed one he made the other watch. Ive read this on a few different forums.
No he's saying in late 68:or 69 when back east, he killed to beach goers Atlantic Beach while he was there,the may have even tried to kill two stewardesses in 1966 in Seattle at 19
@@bundydatano he is wrong . The 2 people who were taken was later in 1972 or so at Lake sammamish- Ott and Naslund .
@@OswaldCopperpotHe based it on reality and the fact that 2 were taken at different times in lake sammamish .
This is the complete description. Thanks.
my strange theory was that ted's grandpa molested his daughter ted's mom and got her pregnant at that young age. his mom went to a young mothers home to have ted and then she left him there. then when ted's grandpa found out that she did that he demanded she go back and bring that boy home. (cause he was his) cause how many guys could ted's mom be screwing to where she didn't know who the father was? ted's grandpa was extremely violent and had a severe temper so that combo with incest produced a monster. so his brain was already damaged and finding out he was lied to by his mom his whole childhood filled him with hatred and rage towards woman and ultimately led to the monster he became.
Sounds right to me; a recipe for disaster.
You could be right, being a product of incest is extremely dangerous and causes psychological problems for the kid. Especially when you were born from incest from an abusive grandfather. I also believe the grandfather's abusive tendencies when Ted was a kid had an affect of Ted that evolved him into a monster, despite being only a baby when he grew up with his grandfather. Even as a baby, Bundy showed very disturbing behavior, such as surrounding his sister with knifes while she was sleeping, with Bundy smiling.
I think it was the guy Loyd Marshall he was of PA, he was in sales, he looks like Ted, also neither of the other daughters molested.... Usually a molester continues
They have proven through DNA that his GrandF was not his father
Your theory was proved wrong by dna evidence
so much info about bundy, thanxs so much for this video. I was a loner in skool too my so called friends did some awful things to me, so I really feel sorry for him. I personally don't think he killed that 8 yr old, for her to completely disappear like that? he was only a boy, not even properly sexually mature, wasn't an older boy suspected by police, find a foot print that was too big and heavy to fit bundy, he seemed to flat out denies this, whereas his other killings..............ive no idea
I feel for him too... inside he was really a great person who just never knew that he had anything good in him when he did... I was bullied in school, and I am a lot like he was when he was younger, I think. I feel a lot of understanding for him... The whole situation, what happened to both him and the victims is all so sad... People judge him and call him sociopath but really inside he was never that, he was just hurt and afraid, I don't think he really ever knew himself, maybe at one point he did but still...
Leland Palmer You're delusional.
He is missing a lot of info or he's unaware
Why are we not hearing about the life of the women/girls he tortured and murdered???
This was posted in 2012-ish? That was when Dr. Carlisle had just published his first book, so he was still getting used to doing presentations on the timeline.
It had to be later cause Elizabeth Klopher wrote thr second edition of her book much later than 2012 it would have been maybr 2018 when the latest movies were coming out.
I find this really hard to listen to. It's such a scattershot overview of Ted's life, and glosses over so much. Then there are those What The Hell moments that grind up against what I've learned from other sources. Most grating of all is this cheerfully dismissive attitude regarding Ted's issues, possibly informed by the knowledge he was a killer (for who there is no excuse by one school of thought) yet applied to the earlier Ted who was merely a very troubled kid.
(Beware, troubled kids who may watch this, because your feelings will be dismissed.)
But maybe it's not the killing so much that drives the way that Al tells it as Ted's lying for much of his life. Carlisle through his book is saying 'I will make you tell the truth dammit if I have to put words in your mouth after you are dead'. Carlisle could even have decided to buy Ted's minimizations when they worked against Ted as a way of getting back at him.
There appears to be much that is good in Al Carlisle's book, judging from GoodReads reviews. Could he have written himself out of the story? I may one day seek to resolve my confusion. But there can be no doubt that if you're serious about learning how a violent mind can develop, you're going to be better off with my book. I'm an extremely Bundy-like person, extremely introspective and with an extremely good long-term memory. Only one leap of faith is required. You have to stay open to the possibility that a person who has never dived off the deep end could nevertheless understand from the inside the compulsion to walk the plank.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker "Come up, be with us" says the family up west to Louise when Ted is two years old. Way I heard it last was more along the lines of "Get your ass in the car, Louise, we have to get you and Ted away from your violent mutual father Sam Cowell. If you're going to give Ted the speculative murder of Ann Burr, you can indulge the rumor that Ted was a product of incest, and let us chew on how that might have affected the start he had in life. As it is, we are chewing on nothing, and the 730 most intensively formative days of Ted's life are already in the books.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker Oh, so Louise is his mother? Someone forgot to tell Ted! How in the world was this missed?? He was raised to think his mom was his sister, so shameful was his being a bastard. What has Bundy's comp Jack Nicholson been up to? Enquiring minds know that he's been spanking hookers and self-medicating everyone under the table.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker It is mondo bizarro to fill our heads with Ann Burr three minutes in, then continue along interminably with the developmental stuff when we don't know whether we've in reality reached the stage of rinse and repeat. Bundy's life makes a lot more sense if we let his truth be The Truth in this case, and let the break-up with his first love be the trigger, the news of his family secret the bullet. This resonates as true for me personally, because I myself experienced a dark transformation as result of being rejected.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker You got that, all you losers out there who get passed over in high school? You're inadequate, that explains it. Thank you, doctor for confirming our self-diagnosis. Ted Bundy was a complete rock star in the making, and absolutely nobody knew it.
+MONSTROUS by Tommy Walker But maybe they should have (known he was becoming a rock star) because this stuff about him being one of the elites on the scene on the slopes and then afterward going home alone sounds just like Janis Joplin.
Not eloquent at all. Agree with comment below; he's all over the place. It doesn't appear as if he's prepared anything. A really amateur ' lecture' & not informative or with any depth of research not understanding. Who is he anyway?
A well educated person with a PHD, and you are?
Who are you anyway? Slow?
This is Dr.Carlisle he was the one of Ted's friends
He never was good at talking in front of people and would get nervous all the time so even when he has notes and knew what he was going to say he would forget and bounce around.....he was my grandfather and was a very kind and intelligent person
Some people don't have the gift of gab
Well the setting is not good for giving a presentation ... he does a commendable job considering
Awesome book. All of Bundys ex gfs are referred to with pseudonyms to protect their privacy.
très intéressant merci.
why just say her real name...?? it was Stephanie brooks...not Marjorie...
Stephanie Brooks is also a made up name dumb dum
Theodore2die4 Bundy 🖕
Marjorie is Dianes middle name. Ted himself said that was her name.
Her real name was Diane Jean Marjorie Edwards
Her name was/is Diane Jean Marjorie Edwards
He's born sure
Sound quality 😑
Ted had a sad life😥
Is there really anything to the theory that Ted's mother was pregnant by her father? I think it is unlikely.
DNA has debunked the theory
@@jefclarktrue
Wtf he didn’t kill her
Bundy birth certificate
interesting.
The problem for him is that the report is available.....revisionism at work .
I think if he killed the little girl i. 1961 when he was 14 years 9 months. He was ruined after that.
isn't his girlfriend's name stephanie?
Andrew Manford no Diane is her real name .Marjorie is her middle name. Ted said her real name in interviews .
Up in his room up
TED couldn’t be a man
Interwiew
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