Why Does the NFL Hate Running Backs?
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Agree that something needs to be done to alter rookie compensation for rbs. Its just a reality that rbs have short careers, so its hard to pay them a lot on a 2nd deal. But its kind of a fucked situation because its bad to pay rbs a lot on a 2nd deal, but then theres also a narrative that you shouldn’t spend top draft picks on rbs, so they miss out on more lucrative rookie deals as well. They’re getting devalued at every end of the spectrum
So why not just make incentives?
Yeah like 1 mil per 1000 yards, rushing and receiving. 100 k per touchdown.
@@jpennel25 thats too little, it should be 100 yards/game
I disagree. Due to how contracts are completed it makes ABSOLUTE sense for a franchise to draft a running back high (especially in round 1) keep them for 5 years (4+1 player option) and then franchise tag them and let them walk. At this point you'll have gotten 6-7 prime years of a talented running backs career. Easy. And it sucks cause there's no longevity.
The running game will always be valuable for the ability of wearing down a defense.
The game is not just about scoring but time of possession. And many people have forgotten that.
Many people??? More like almost all of them have forgotten. The NFL running game is dead...
You can blame Fantasy Football for that.
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It's not about hate, offenses are changing to be pass heavy so defenses are becoming more focused on stopping the pass. Which in turn means you can get adequate performance out of less talented RBs, you don't need highly talented (thus more rare) RBs anymore.
When I was younger nose tackle was more important than edge, fullback was still a critical position and RB was almost on the same level as QB. None of this is true anymore though. Games are not won and lost based on short yardage, the battle in the trenches. Now it's all about long passes and stopping long passes. Fullback has disappeared and nose tackle and RB have become secondary concerns.
Definitely true, but we have already seen teams start going against the grain and back to focusing on short yardage, like the eagles. Except the eagles have done it with the QB run. It’s fun to watch the sport evolve
I agree with most of this but I would disagree in the sense that it is now starting to turn back to a good running attack wins games. With teams like KC being able to score with 13 seconds left it is now putting a very big emphasis on ball control for the opposite offense. The game will never go fully back to what it was but I believe it’s going to get more balanced with some teams choosing to have a run heavy approach in order to counter teams that prepare against the pass and vice versa.
I actually think it has more to do with how talented a lot of the young guys are, it’s cheaper and easier to just draft a 1st/2nd round RB to be the main ball carrier than it is to sign a vet who has more miles on him and wants more money.
Would you pay Saquon the 14-18 million per year he is probably wanting?
It's not because they have to though, necessarily. Teams are still running the ball and doing it extremely well. Look at the Titans, or the Eagles, or the Bears. The run game in the NFL is stronger now than it's been in the last 10 years and that's why these players are holding out. I don't blame em. You got kickers making more than RB's lol.
@@hunteranfinsen6655he’s already missed 2 seasons pretty much. Having him wolf be a glass cannon. I do hope he plays but he would need an injury clause in his contract or something of the like
They should merge the franchise tag for all non QBs. If you want to tag an RB because he is crucial to the franchise, you should have to pay him like is critical to the team.
Agree. It should be QB franchise money, too. If you truly think they're a franchise player, they get paid like a QB. I also think you should be able to designate one player per year to have their salary exempt from the cap. It can't be the same player more than once per contract or never the same player in a row, and the pay the year after can't be more than 20% less than the previous year. That way you can save on some cap casualties, everyone gets paid more, and it's tough to take advantage of it since it cant be the same guy year after year and it also can't be $100M exempt one year and then $5M for the next 5 years for a QB.
@@WhiteG60Thats absurd. The franchise tag should not be the same for a linebacker as a QB. I could see the argument for grouping QB, non qb offense and defense or getting rid of it completely. But no team is paying a rb 30 million a year
@@nedisahonkey If you truly can't have your team without the guy (the definition of the 'franchise player'), then why not? Teams need to stop using it to hold players hostage that they never intend on really paying their value. The initial purpose was to put the tag in place so that you had time to work out a long term deal. In recent years, it's been more to keep a guy as long as you can without letting them hit the market. Especially with running backs.
@@nedisahonkeyI thought he meant offensive players🤔
@@WhiteG60 lmao no
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The running back devaluation is just another reason why there should be a three player cap exempt system. Teams that have players they drafted should be able to use a special cap exemption for them... Again, players they DRAFTED. It would be good for the NFL fans and take heat off of the GMs for letting fan favorites that aren't past their prime go.
I like this idea as long as it can’t bypass a qb’s cap hit
I like the salary cap, keeps the league semi even. It would be okay to have certain positions count less against the cap. So a running back contract only counts half against the cap.
as long as it can’t be qbs yes
@@lucanichilo5324 I don't know how to work it man, it's just an idea.
RBPA is considering a strike…
There would be a glut of "fullbacks" lol
I dunno that anyone really pays attention to the Royal Butt Plugging Association man...
I'm sure Deebo Samuel hopes they don't.
RBPA, UPS drivers, and Hollywood writers teaming up? Really going off-script aren't we?
@@peterroberts4415writers are on strike, there is no script
Pretty simple about RBs: Teams love them when they're cheap. They give the good ones the ball 300+ carries a season, wear their butts down to the nub over their rookie deals, and then move on to the next draft pick (that they probably got in the 2nd round at the earliest). Teams are also paying QBs $50 million a year to throw the ball down field, not to hand off. Defenses have to back off receivers more and more as the rules keep changing, which makes passing even more desirable. It's just the way it is right now. Until the rules change again in RBs favor, it will stay that way. Teams don't want bruisers anymore. They want guys that can catch wheel routes and make 8 guys miss on dump offs in the flat. Switch positions and get paid more.
Get rid of the pass interference/spot foul penalty. It needs to go back to 15 yards, like in the NCAAs.
The way the game has evolved has killed the value of RBs. Now a majority of teams have an RB by committee approach with a few exceptions. In addition to that there’s a constant replenishment at the position each year between the draft and free agency so you don’t have to look very hard to replace one of the three or four your team is likely carrying. It also doesn’t help that most recent instances where an RB gets a big contract it usually results in the team likely regretting it after a couple years.
They regret it after the first year doing it because the RB gets hurt.
RBs used to be staples for teams. Long term RBs aren't really seen anymore and it's sad.
That's because of rookie contracts combined with the talent that you can find in the drafts now. Rookie contracts need to be 2-3 years. Should be able to tell by then if you like a guy or not anyways
Adrian Peterson was the last running back
People have the lions and falcons shit for drafting RBs too early, but that 4 year contract might make it worth it.
@@mike9031 Rooke Contracts for Quarterbacks need to be 1-2 years because if the quarterback busts, it sets team back decades, if not centuries.
@@btbarr16Right and 1st round picks have the 5th year option and then maybe use a franchise tag if there great. Get the best 6 years out of them and find and develop a guy like Tony Pollard during that time. It's not a bad idea, just a bit risky based on the injury possibility for that position
The league kept changing rules to make it basically impossible to cover a receiver without getting flagged so the results have been more and more passing in games, all because the NFL wants to destroy this game in the hopes of attracting “casual fans”. You know the type, they go to Super Bowl parties and talk during the game but tell everyone to shut up during the commercials. This garbage is exactly why I prefer college football
I prefer college ball because its just better games and more competitive straight up. Last year was wild with a ton of great games (though every one with fat black and white vertical stains, unfortunately)
@@TheGanjologistmore competitive? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 No... Not when you have 70-0 games. College football is ass.
@@brosifstalin415 you watching the wrong games then fam. That's the beauty of it I'll watch another game lol. There's a lot, of course there's duds. There's also more comebacks. And that's not even touching the Antonio brown aspect of nfl. Idc about the drama show
College basketball is the same just farther down the road. It's hard to watch nba anymore the acting that wouldnt cut it in wwe blows my mind
@@brosifstalin415 you’re definitely watching the wrong games
Exactly and they kept try to sell us on “ the quarterbacks are evolving “ crap….. No they aren’t u changed the rules for them!!!🤣🤣🤣
Love the points you've made. At the end of the day these guys get in 20+ car crashes a week. I'm glad Jerry took care of Zeke financially because it's the right thing to do and he was still performing (albeit not like his peak). Zeke was the identity of the team while Dak was still growing. Something needs to change or we've seen the last batch of "all time running backs". Elite athletes will play a different position that pays like Corner or WR.
Might I suggest that when you have a great segment like that you upload it as such? I clicked to hear you talk about the title. I skipped through a handful of other topics and think it would help to have more people hear the great part only!
If you’re in HS and are an elite athlete not matter what you do *don’t* play RB no matter what coach says
There will always be RBs. 🤣 Guys would rather play RB than work at a car wash or rob liquor stores. 🤣
QBs cost a lot of damn money. You can’t be paying a star RB 20 mil or more and pay a QB a 200 mil+ contract and expect to have a good team. It’s really that simple
Yea but that's a problem in of itself. A lot of overrated QBs are getting over paid big bucks, which is taking away money from everybody else.
@@crater044 a lot of teams are terrified at the prospect of losing an average to above average QB because of how premium of a position it is and how difficult it is to find and develop guys that truly excel. the problem isn't that the QBs aren't worth the money, it's that the teams are too afraid to risk letting them go. maybe if more teams had a QB friendly system, like the 49ers, then the problem would alleviate itself slightly. your star QB might be demanding a back breaking contract but if your back up can produce 80% as good at a fraction of the cost... you may as well ship your star over to denver and you can just keep on keeping on. this of course requires good coaching, a good front office and a solid cast to support your qb... but a football team should be striving to have all of those things anyway.
The RB market collapse has to do with analytics figuring out that a running backs production is often largely dependent on the blocking around them. On perfectly blocked plays suddenly every running back is a superstar and when the blocking is shit suddenly no running back is worth a damn. There are baselime differences in running back production, it's just that often they are smaller than it appears. It's a tough spot to be in as a player looking for a contract; when you go to find evidence for why you should be paid more and people say actually the evidence says you're not as viable as you think you are and and actually the running game in general isn't as productive as the passing game. The myth around game momentum was just so strong in the past that no one really thought to measure this kind of thing and now the salary market is adjusting.
Curious what RBs "should" be paid as a number. I mean Zeke got 15M APY in 2019 and 2 of those years overlapped with his rookie 4th & 5th year (since he was a 1st round pick), and people outside of Jerry Jones are pretty universal in saying that was a massive overpay but it was somewhat warranted in that he averaged more than 100 yards per game his first four years (counting receiving yards too), but a year later Derrick Henry got a big contract that was only 12.5M APY and he absolutely was his entire team's offense, but it was probably so low because he only had one really good season prior to his extension and then he absolutely continued to go off. Then you got guys like McCaffrey who got 16M APY which technically kicks in this year but 49ers are only paying 12M APY (less due to a restructure too) as that contract included signing bonus that stuck with Carolina, Kamara like Zeke was 15M, then you drop down to the 12M range with guys like Cook, Henry, Chubb, Mixon & Jones, then Barkley at 10M which is the franchise number. So what is that number that they should be paid? Same as McCaffrey @ 16M? More because unlike McCaffrey Barkley is most of that offense. Are they trying to push like WRs did a couple years ago and get 20M?
All I’m going to say is Tim Patrick and Sutton got payed 17 million a year. Do you think Barkley or jacobs has less impact than them?
@@thegamingmengoose6787 bad contracts exist. Zero teams would trade for either of those guys anywhere near that number.
You know who should be more pissed off than RBs? Tight ends. Look at Kelce's production vs what he's paid compared to any top receiver.
@@yoursodumn Fair but only Kelce, Andrews and Kittle are not replaceable.
@@thegamingmengoose6787 Barkly wasnt a factor 2 years in a row before 2022 due to injuries. any team would be cautious paying a RB that is injury prone
@@ernestogastelum9123 so Cooper Kupp shouldn’t be paid? Watson? Jimmy G? Jordan Brooks? Every other D-linemen or CB? Everyone says RB are injury prone and replaceable but production and quality of the offense always suffers when their RBs go out. Look at the Chargers without Ekeler. Or Giants without Barkley, with the go to the playoffs and without they go 4-12😂. Look at Seattle without K9 or Browns without Chubb. Imagine how bad the 49ers would be without CMC.
I love my raiders and I love Josh Jacobs, but when they were deciding if they should pick up his 5th year, he had just rushed for less than 900 yards at 4 yards a rush. Everyone understood why it wasn't picked up. Then he has a monster year and every revisionist out there talks about how they would have picked up the option if it was them.
Lol exactly this. I remember wondering why people brought up Jacobs so much when he wasn't any good. Then he has one monster year to fully display why you don't pay RBs: volatility.
If you've got a top 5 HB it does make sense to tag 'em. I never thought about it but that's shrewd. Have a guy touch the ball 20 times a game, carry your team, and never have to worry about him breaking the bank.
You hit the nail on the head. It's a business investment at the end of the day. Not to mention, the gap between 1st round RBs and RBs drafted in later rounds is small in comparison to other positions.
I think the problem with Running Backs ultimately is how prolific the passing game has gotten, a good quarterback can give at least like 250-275 yards if not 300 yards consistently in a game, a running back would have to have a record breaking day to match that and even the best running backs can’t break records every single game. This and the fact that coaches have been getting more creative with blocking schemes and then you thrown in the short amount of time you get with a runningback, teams would rather draft a running back, run them hard during their rookie contract then repeat because they want to save the money for a potential franchise quarterback. You consider just how much much money a franchise quarterback will run you in the current market once their rookie contract is up, there just isn’t cap space to spare for many other positions they have to skim somewhere and unfortunately the running backs are the ones who are getting skimmed.
The problem with expecting every positions "salary" to increase means someone else has to give. This is why you can't pay QBs half the teams cap. So I'm not surprised someone is giving on their pay.
Having said that, if they're worried about being underpaid, they're more than welcome to pick up a 9-5 job where they really get appreciated and paid well
It’s gonna have to be a league wide decision to change this because no owner is going to hurt there franchise willingly to make a statement that running backs should paid more
The story of him turning down 14m is misleading, it wasnt about the total money its the guaranteed money that matter most and apparently was what broke up the deal.
As a Bengals fan, same thing's been happening to Mixon. He isn't as elite as Jacobs, Barkley, or Pollard, but he was widely agreed to be a top 10 RB before last season but had one bad season where he was injured and playing behind an entirely new O-line and now people are saying the Bengals should definitely get rid of him. Didn't help that he had "legal trouble" (even though the nerf wars thing was wrong and the menacing charges haven't brought anything) but it seems that people are quick to give up on elite and good RBs if they even have a slightly bad season.
Mixon has over achieved considering how poor that oline has been
@@oaklandtraphouse The O-line had started to play at a good level at the end of the season before the playoffs. Then there were injuries to starters that brought it down again, although they did play pretty good at Buffalo.
@@sethgreco7146 i wouldnt call Jacobs elite based of just one season.
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I think the game is turning into a TE/RB combo of being able to choose between running the ball, blocking or acting as a fourth receiver.
I suspect that given a couple decades, we might see teams treating TEs and RBs interchangeably except of course shorter RBs being obviously better at running and taller TEs being better at receiving (by outranging the defense),
but does anyone else feel the same?
Are RBs trending towards being TEs or second TEs replacing RBs entirely or no?
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Running backs need more incentives in their contracts. If in their rookie contract and they run for 1200 yards, he gets a $500k bonus as an example. They should also be Free agents (non-Franchise tagable) after four years.
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When a player gets a massive deal, I say that the player is worth whatever someone is willing to pay them. The same goes for players who don't get the massive payday.
I’ve thought that having the franchise tag be a tag for position groups might help running backs here a lot. At least for a year. Average tight ends, running backs and receivers together as opposed to just running backs.
The receivers wouldn't want that. It would bring their average down when they get tagged.
It's simple....
There is a salary cap. How many of you would denote 15m+ a year on an RB ... or would you spend that cap space on 1-2 pro-bowl caliber OLs that make holes for cheaper, younger, fresh leg RBs while also providing your QB better protection in a pass-happy league? It's not like the reasons why it's happening don't make a ton of sense.
When it comes to RBs they tend to do there best work on their rookie deals and most start to fall off right before or after their wondow for their second contract. Every now and then there are exceptions, like Adrian Peterson, but the NFL has seen tomany instances of Ezekiel Elliots and Leveon Bell paid to much and dont produce compared to cheaper options. NFL football is both a sport and a buiness and most teams want to be their best while being fincially safe. To that end certain positions suffer for how much they want, versus how much their talents are worth and if there are cheaper options available. At the end of the day it is what it is.
I'm a Raider fan... still think no team should be able to franchise tag a player they refused to sign the 5th year option on.
Because when a running back is done with their 4/5 year rookie contract they are worn down from so many hits and injuries. Most teams that have paid their running backs have regretted it (ex. Zeke Elliott). This era of football is more about the star qb passing game so if you are a running back you either have to be a generational talent with minimal injury history or great at catching if you want the money.
You know what helps a star passing game? A RB taking a lot of focus off of the passing game and opening it up.
I'm sorry but this is bullshit criteria. This has only been a popular opinion in the last 5 years because analytics deemed the RB position obsolete. The problem is that it doesn't factor in what having a game changing RB does for your team. You can't just replicate that with an average cheap RB with a decent O-Line.
I'm not saying RBs need to be paid QB money or anything......but Lamar Jackson has 1 playoff win and look at the fat contract he got......Kyler Murray hasn't won a playoff game and he got a fat contract.
Maybe instead of overpaying overrated QBs.......you actually pay RBs because whether people like it or not, RBs are still productive into their 30s as long as you don't go too ridiculous with their contract.
And I'm sorry but that Zeke contract was blown out of proportion by fans everywhere. It certainly never hindered the Cowboys because they always had talent at multiple positions and it didn't stop them from throwing the bank at Dak.
@@crater044 that’s not true the 49ers have consistently had good to great run games year after year with average backs behind their great oline. They have cmc now but only because they got him for cheap they could of continued dominating with udfa running backs
@@crater044 agreed
@@crater044 lol what a load of rubbish. must be a running back
@@crater044 the issue is that later round running backs often produce at a similar level to a lot of the high end talent. running back is a valuable position but it's injury prone, volatile and can be effectively performed by "average" talent. a team built around a single running back is begging for a mid season collapse, but a strong committee can keep the position humming. the position is valuable but individuals are largely replaceable.
Being a RB has to be the most stressful position in football. So much of your value to a team is entirely out of your hands that a whole narrative has developed in which teams neither want to spend nor draft highly for a running back. Not to mention all the armchair quarterbacks saying the position is super-replaceable (with maybe half an understanding of what a RB actually does) are helping to depress public opinion of them too.
I’m 38, I played Hs ball back in 00-02, in KY. Not just the RB but the FB was our offensive staple. Ground and pound with the occasional play action pass.
It’s truly disgusting to see how much the RB has been devalued and I transitioned from RB to QB lol.’The Rbs were the best players in my area.
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I'm down with any team deciding to give a bag to a running back, so long as it isn't mine.
Problem is, they want guaranteed money, which teams don’t want to give because of their short shelf-life. They can try to make it incentive based but I don’t think many RBs are gonna want to take it because they want that assured pay day. Maybe make the teams unable to franchise tag someone when they immediately come off their rookie contract? I don’t know how to solve this
I say, when they're drafted, depending on the round, they get a year less than other positions in those rounds. Instead of a 4-year contract, with a 5th year option for a 1st round RB, give them a 3-year contract with a 4th year option, or 2yrs w/a third year option for later round picks. That way, they'll get a chance to score a better deal elsewhere, without too much wear and tear on their bodies.
Im a giants fan. I think Joe Shoen doesn't want to pay saquon because he's only been a GM for a year and he's afraid to make a mistake. Paying someone and then they get hurt week 1. The problem is that Saquon is the reason we overachieved last season. Daniel had a good year but no sober person could argue that the Giants need Saquon as currently constructed
I think it would be interesting to see some sort of contract stating that for every x amount of $ you can get so many snaps. For instance. If you don’t want to pay a RB the big bucks, fine, but maybe he only gets 10-15 touches per game.
If you want to run him 25-30 times a game, you better pay up.
This prevents teams from lowballing RB’s while also destroying their long term careers. This would help prevent the negative feedback loop (don’t pay RB’s because they get hurt too often).
Absolutely right
I think the simplification of "the NFL doesn't value RBs anymore" isn't helping the conversation. Teams absolutely value the position. Unfortunately teams also know that extending RBs, like any other position, has proven to be a setback for organizations.
Something needs to be done to properly take care of these guys. I agree with that, but you can't make a team start a 6th or 7th year back when an average young guy might perform just as well as an aged star.
Lets face it, it's not just the last CBA the NFLPA screwed up. They've been doing that since they gave up guaranteed contracts. Worst players association in sports.
They cared more about smoking 420 than they did about getting better pay or eliminating the franchise tag
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The rookie contract structure in general is disgustingly unfair. Teams literally rely on underpaying their young stars as a fundamental strategy for their roster construction. RBs definitely get the brunt of this because of their avg career longevity, but rookie contracts screw pretty much all young superstars.
Thats the nflpa’s fault as well as the vets being greedy towards draftees
Gotta blame the vets for it
They thought it would get the vets more money like idiots not knowing the NFL is a synonym for not for long lol
Now overall everyone gets less money
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Think it’s more that every time teams pay big money second contract for a RB it bits them. You also got to take in effect how banged up they get add to it the whole two back system a lot of teams do and the success on later RD RBs yeah
Pretty much only Derrick Henry has played up to his 2nd contract at RB
this is correct. rbs age terribly, the second big contract does not end well
Its because the QBs asking for more and more some 1 position will suffer and they've already basically got rid of the FB position
i know every position in football is physical and tough but i feel ball carriers have a target on them and for running backs to be expected to run between defensive tackles who are typically 100lbs + heavier than them its just a brutal job that wears these amazing athletes down and their bodies cant seem to last longer than 5 years with that punishment. there are some exceptions but i feel in general running backs need some sort of guaranteed money once they hit a certain minimum of snaps rookie or not. that way theses guys cant be over used and paid peanuts, and make that money come from the league and not hurt a team's cap space, so teams arn't doing shenanigans to eliminate that pay, once a certain threshold of snaps is passed they need to be treated like veterans and get paid by the snap and taken care of, those running backs dont often get a third contract where alot of money is made.
Linebackers do pretty much the same thing but don't get to take snaps off.
@@Whiskey61 yeah some defensive players get worn out as well being asked to play every snap and asked to tackle players way larger than they are idk i guess a good solution is hard to find
Return to the mean is a real thing. After a stellar performance, you usually see a drop. Thus the sport illustrated curse, and the tag on star runners.
It would be hilarious if the NFL running backs joined forces and had a sit-down strike during the season where they refused to go into the game and then the NFL would understand that the running back is still a vital position.
They would negotiate themselves right out of a job. Lmao. Plenty of guys sitting at home or fresh out of the league willing to carry the rock.
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Pete and the Seahawks seem to value the RB position more than any team in the NFL. And there's a reason for it too
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In any offense your running back touches the ball the most behind the center and quarterback. Modern 3 down backs (Saquan, Ekeler, Chubb, Jacobs) are given somewhere between 3-400 touches a year. That's insane. If I'm them Im pushing to get the "rb" position eliminated. Something new needs to replace that term since they're also getting about 60-100 RECEPTIONS A YEAR LOL.
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Yeah allowing a single position player to keep eating more and more of the salary cap, maybe QBs aren't worth the prices either
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Need a Jokic esque level of talent at RB to bring some love back to the position like he is starting to do with centers in the NBA.
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Elite RB1’s usually only last about 3 seasons before their body is broken. That’s why they aren’t paid.
Everyone knows why the NFL hates running backs: there haven’t been any good fullbacks in the draft in a decade. Everyone knows good fullbacks are the heart of every successful offense. If a team should happen to find the next Mike Alstott, they would be the next dynasty. The Chiefs wouldn’t win another Super Bowl, unless THEY drafted Alstott 2.0, in which case they wouldn’t lose a game until 2035.
WRONG: everyone knows the punter is fundamental to a successful offense 😂
It's amazing to me that you think that the fullback is that important in modern football. The reason there hasn't been a good fullback is because they all play tight end now because the game's about passing
@@AllDayDavis if you’re trolling, then excellent job because I can’t tell. The hallmark of a great troll comment. If you’re serious I’ll write ya a pass since sarcasm can be hard to detect online.
I was just having a little fun with the fact that fullbacks have gone the way of the Dinosarus Rex. 🦖
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 Considering the fact that ESPN recently paid Pat McAfee (the greatest punter in the history of the NFL) 10 million a year, I’d have to say you are 100% correct.
The subtle nuance of field position is all but lost on the average fan. You my friend, are a true connoisseur of the pigskin.
@@jluchette I'm trolling if you are
I think rookie contracts should vary in length based on how long it takes to gauge a players potential at a position, so for rbs, two years, three years max, would be a solid length of time for their rookie contract. This would allow rbs to get paid way earlier in their career so they get payed for their prime, just like players at every other position
My favorite part is him mentioning the cowboys overpaid Zeke… almost like teams are trying to avoid this problem 😂
Like right. That was one of the problem not to pay a RB that crazy money. The Eagles is smart with money and let Miles Sanders walk during FA. My Eagles was not going to let that drag out like these teams doing now. With the Eagles Oline, any RB will do. But these RBs need to catch the ball as well to boost their value up. You can't just be a RB. You need to be RB/WR.
almost 400k
I bet the RBs would be less injured if they got another $5,000,000 to play on that twisted ankle
The Eagles kelly green uniforms are 100% fire!
The game has changed. It went from 4 yards and a cloud of dust to pass pass pass. As the NFL got more popular, they made more money and wanted to grow the league's popularity. .So rules were changed over time to open up the passing game even more. This made games more exciting to the casual viewer, look at the Rams/Chiefs scorefest from a few years ago. Does anyone really think a game like that would have been possible in Lombardi's time? Now running backs are niche players. You have the occasional exception like Henry, but RB is no longer the engine that powers the offense. The viewers the NFL is chasing do not want to see a RB run into the line for a 3 or 4 yard gain play after play.
And as a long time football fan who played as a kid I have stopped watching years ago, I hate this pass first game. I find it boring because the clock stops so much now, most plays are 3 seconds long and there’s less strategy involved it just boils down to QB and WR skill to determine the outcome of the game
I wonder what kind of effect this might have on the level of talent at RB in future drafts. How many of the top prospects will choose to play WR instead when it becomes more clear each year that RB pay and career longevity are on the decline?
They dont, we love King Henry here is TN. The market sets the prices, just like WRs did two years ago.
liked for the title alone. RB are pound for pound some of the most valuable mthrfckrz in the NFL for all the shit they do
Crazy good call on Shay Shay
I'm a cowboys fan. Tony Pollard is fools gold
Do a GPS live there please
Maybe a league bonus to the top 5 backs, paid for in a pool by equal payments from all teams.5 mill, 4 mill...etc.
I’m a 30+ year NFL fan. As much as I loved the passing game, the uptick of the last 20 or so years have led to some big consequences. Like the fullback has been phased out. And running backs used and valued less than ever. There’s only 5-6 guys keeping the running game alive.
All this shows us is that the Cap needs to be $23 million higher. If teams are struggling to pay three of the top six rushers who accounted for more than 4,000 yds and 30 TDs, there's a serious f^ckin problem.
George Steinbrenner was right. When they spoke about introducing free agency he said cap or no cap what they should do is put every player on a one year contract and every off-season all the players are free agents and get offered only one year contracts with the home team having no advantages
i think a good olive branch would be increased incentives for the position starting year 1. if a "nobody" rb comes along with 1k total yards and double digit TDs he should be compensated immediately
Bummer, why did the meetup have to be at a Budweiser brewery!? Oh well, it’s a frickin awesome cause so I guess it kinda balances 😉
If you need a rb for your offense to be great time to get a new qb
Damn Von Miller is the coolest dude
Saquon Barkley's Black Panther necklace is so cool.
I never understood why a RB is worth 30% what a WR who gets the same yardage.
RB is less risk= Elimination of int, easier for a QB to hand off than stay in pocket risking getting hit, etc.
Ok, shorter career- so what. Don’t sign a 5 year, get a 3 year. Many players come in on a prove it 1 year.
Caves, mostly
I’m going on my soapbox real quick if it wasn’t for running backs the nfl would have never survived Beginning of the two leagues
To get really paid. You have to be able to catch ball now. Plus most recent investments have not paid off. Carolina CMC. Rams Todd Gurley. Cboys Zeke Elliot. Its rare 2nd contract is worth it.
The patriots dynasty is a slam dunk case against the cap. I also think It would be a home run to shorten the rookie contract 2 years if not 1. All of these things exist just to keep player compensation down and I don't think that's a strong side to take. And while we're eliminating the cap and reducing rookie contracts we can make it a hat trick and give players medical coverage for life.
Just following the 49ers during the Shanahan era has made it painfully obvious why they don't want to pay much for RBs. Since Frank Gore, the 49ers have not been able to start the same RB two seasons in a row due to injuries. Christian McCaffery did great last year, but will he be healthy next year? That hasn't been the case for the 49ers for the past several years. It's pointless to pay a ridiculous amount of money to a player who has a very high probability of not being able to play a full season, or maybe not at all. That being said, the 49ers seem to be able to plug in any different running back each year and still get good results.
Run-oriented teams haven't won the super bowl in a while. But I think grabbing 2 star RBs in this market could pay off
RB and FB are very much a victim of the newer metrics and rules of the NFL(you can throw over the middle now, you do that 30 years ago you sign a WR's death warrant). As a position with high likelyhood of injury and a easy to hit production rate that's acceptable makes it a hard spot to add a bunch of equity into.
-Being a true 3 down back is the hardest type to find, whereas pure runners are the easiest.
-If you are a prodigy of a 3 down back, than you may get a big contract or a high draft number.
And good running backs are so much fun to watch whether it’s breakaway backs or type that just grind down defense and
beat the snot out of the opposition.
The fact that I got recommended this AFTER Barkley just signed a 1-YEAR 11million dollar contract with the Giants is INSANE😂
NFL RB pay works the same way as any other job. It’s a combination of supply, demand, and value added.
They get what they are worth, same as any other worker. I’m not shedding any tears for them.
Kids are going to stop playing that position, and then it’s going to change.
It sucks because of supply and demand of running backs there’s only so many starting jobs and each running backs being drafted sometimes better then the last class. So why invest in a player when they’re production can be easily replaced for millions less. Then the money you would’ve payed a veteran running back could go to a long term superstar.
I find it funny when football players demand more money. My guy you’re a guaranteed millionaire no matter what. That’s way more than the vast majority of people will ever be within sniffing distance of in their entire lives. Take a team friendly deal and let your front office put together a Super Bowl roster