No 3rd... the first two skimmed the tree but looked bad on camera... I needed a really solid thwump! :D Let's face it... it rarely ever works the first time if a camera is involved! (I would have said something the first time, but I hate to say it, I couldn't remember which shot you were talking about until after I responded... I hit so many trees!)
@@ogdiscgolfer If you ask me, I'm brilliant. If you ask a lot of other people, I'm crazy. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . I think what you're saying here is brilliant, and I've noticed the same thing in other sports situations as well. Focus of attention matters.
I've asked this question at every pro clinic for several years and finally settled on the technique most prefer, which is keeping about a fist-sized gap between your head and your shoulder when you reach back. This gives you the extension without turning your head completely away from target.
Every time there is a person standing or walking course adjacent my disc travels directly at them. When in wooded sections, I don’t worry about trees immediately in front of me, I think about trees no where near I want to throw. Loved this content. Thank you.
Pete: Joseph here. You are So right! When I first started playing Ultimate, I was so worried about my defender's hands that I inevitably threw into them or flubbed the throw. It wasn't until I visualized a space into which I would throw that my passing miraculously improved and I rarely got blocked. The mind is a dangerous place! I will use this technique for my tree-hitting golf game. Thanks for another great vid!
Thanks for this video Pete. I always focus on not hitting trees at Inverness than anything else. I will try this approach next time Brody and I play there. Thanks again!
Say Pete.... Interested in trying something I'm trying (due to my Lizard brain being wired somewhat different to others and often needing a different way of comprehending something to 'see it' the way someone else does)... Instead of the good ol "Focus on a chain link" when putting.... See if this does anything for you... Think of the basket as a big Rubbish Bin... Now go throw some putts so they go over the top of that bin... (Completely ignore that there are chains there). For me this seems to be working for those longer putts I end up "I was meaning to lay up there..." I think it's back to my actually quite 'Physics' capable grey matter taking that "Aim at a chain link" too literally, and stalling out as if I want the disk to STOP on that chain link, rather than pass through it...Course spending over a year putting with a Pid, up and to the right so it would stall and fall into the basket (Sometimes) hasn't helped my game... I've just gone mack to my quickly discarded starter pack base plastic putter that I just hated the feel of... and now it flies beautifully and is actually grippier in the wet.. Grippier... when wet?... (memories of a Physics teacher explaining something along the lines of negative friction, like a squeaky door, where the friction is High.. but breaks loose abruptly only to slide, and ramp up to that high friction point again... rinse, repeat, make a squeak while doing it) the grip on the disk may slide with a squeak type brrrrp... but that initial high friction point is well above my release grip.... so yeah... More grippy..... When it's dry... a more smooth grip.. but not as high.... I even had good results from a base plastic beat up Beast in the rain. Did I get off subject again.... You should hear me in person.... (Bring earmuffs.... or better yet... a Gun).
You sound like a kindred spirit! I totally get it... I keep telling myself with my Flick putts... just trust your body to know what to do. With my regular putt, I have the same mindset of trying to toss it into a trash can. When you think about how many object we have toss into a can...we have done that all of lives... our bodies get that type of shot more than trying to touch a specific chain. :D
@@ogdiscgolfer Again, tried that today... Looked at the basket and told myself "I want this disk to sail across the top of the basket to the grass on the other side..." Every time I remembered to stop just trying to hit chain, and to sail it across the whole (chainless) basket... It sailed just like that (hitting those chains that magically materialised after it released). Biggest prob now is trying to put from 30+ and out accelerating the disc with my throw (leaving the disk behind)... I keep forgetting and trying to "Throw" the putt when just turning my palm from down to up is all the motion I need for short... Outside 30 I revert to my Pig Anhyzer Flex shot (which I now have an overstable RPM Kea midrange to do) They may not be a high percentage long put.. but they look so impressive doing an S into the basket.
I've discovered an interesting thing with "Why Do I Throw Plastic At Trees" I'm semi intelligent... I've ridden skateboards (ok in the 70's when the only trick in town was tic tac toe), Motor cross bikes (ok Trail use), Mountain bikes (Hey look out.. 50yo DH rider commin though)... and thrown Frisbee's... Yes Frisbees, not Disc Golf discs... Light weight big and straight arm Hyzers (tho that word never existed)... (oh and thrown a LOT of stones... usually lobbed into the water when not skipping....) So here's the thing.... I think my brain is better than I give it credit... and when looking down a string of trees, and picking "If I aim at THAT tree, the disk will fly toward it, but fade off as it gets there" So I take the shot... and of course I hit THAT tree... Which leaves me thinking..... Sometimes when you target something... your good ol Lizard Brain takes over... and says... Right he want's to hit that tree... so we need to counter the fade... so go on and throw that sucker but hold on a split second to Yeet it a little to the [right]... The master Will be pleased... Basically where I'm going with this is.... Be wary of picking a target as an Aiming point if you don't actually want to hit it.... Good ol Lizard Brain's got your back, even when you didn't want it. I'm not there yet... but when shooting round corners in a forest.. I need to try focusing where I want a disk to land.. and tryst Lizard Brain to do the shaping to get it there... then I just have to pick a disk that will turn the right [or left] curve to miss the trees. The only place I get away with this is a Turn shot using an under stable where the target tree is at the max distance the flippy disk will run thrown flat... (Course never underestimate good ol Lizard Brain adding a little Hyzer ... "Touch Wood"
Yep, you got it... I believe that we actually get in the way of our Lizard brain too much out on the course. That is what I was trying to refer to with Ulitmate. I don't have time to think, so I let my lizard brain do the calculations as I am throwing. How many times have you been messing around with your friends and say "watch this" and not thinking... hit exactly what you were looking at. So if we can be aware of when to focus on what, I think we will be better. agree that our brains are always trying to please the master and get us to what we are focusing on... Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@ogdiscgolfer Did that today... Mediocre shot into the wind fell 50ft short in a hollow.... Blurted out "Watch this flex putt and proceeded to Anhyzer flex up hill 50ft into the basket. Wish I could do That all day long... (Came from a 1st year of putting only with the Pig. My favourite "Lizard line" is a open stance, (45deg front foot to the right) facing the basket, staring at the target and straight arm Yeet it about 45 deg (where my front foot was aiming) out to the right on a 40deg Hyzer.. (Yup... A typical 80's Frisbee throw....)... What's embarrassing is I often bullseye things with it when showing people... but has a habit of skipping on to the left in a game... but I have chained a 300ft down hill with it once... fell about 5ft long for the birdie... (No one there tho... so didn't happen... sigh) I tried my hunch on the forest shot today... Grab the disk that does the line, then just focus on where you want it to land, not where you want it to passthrough... Seemed to work a treat... (Hole 6 on Berhampore Golf Course Wellington NZ is through a mini forest of Pine trees with a pair of curved right channels with the basket barely visible...
I’ll tell you what. Hitting that tree first try was pretty impressive
Oh, I am gifted at hitting the wrong things! :D Thank you for watching!
Agree. First take?
No 3rd... the first two skimmed the tree but looked bad on camera... I needed a really solid thwump! :D Let's face it... it rarely ever works the first time if a camera is involved! (I would have said something the first time, but I hate to say it, I couldn't remember which shot you were talking about until after I responded... I hit so many trees!)
You should learn to lie better!
Ok, Chris you are good looking! :P
This has already been proven to me in my own play, but didn't hear anyone else talking about it until now. Good validation.
So either we are both brilliant or crazy!?? :D Thanks!
@@ogdiscgolfer If you ask me, I'm brilliant. If you ask a lot of other people, I'm crazy. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . I think what you're saying here is brilliant, and I've noticed the same thing in other sports situations as well. Focus of attention matters.
I agree I think you're brilliant :-)
I've asked this question at every pro clinic for several years and finally settled on the technique most prefer, which is keeping about a fist-sized gap between your head and your shoulder when you reach back. This gives you the extension without turning your head completely away from target.
Every time there is a person standing or walking course adjacent my disc travels directly at them. When in wooded sections, I don’t worry about trees immediately in front of me, I think about trees no where near I want to throw. Loved this content. Thank you.
Back in the 90's we used to call it the Walking Dead and our discs seemed to be seeking them out... I totally get it! :D
Pete: Joseph here. You are So right! When I first started playing Ultimate, I was so worried about my defender's hands that I inevitably threw into them or flubbed the throw. It wasn't until I visualized a space into which I would throw that my passing miraculously improved and I rarely got blocked. The mind is a dangerous place! I will use this technique for my tree-hitting golf game. Thanks for another great vid!
I don't know about you, but at least when I hit my defenders hands in Ultimate I felt better if I left a bruise! :D Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video Pete. I always focus on not hitting trees at Inverness than anything else. I will try this approach next time Brody and I play there. Thanks again!
Not looking at trees at Inverness might mean having to close your eyes :D
Great video, as always, solid advice
I appreciate it!
Great advice
Thank you!
Great tips Pete! Happy 2024!
Happy new year!
Say Pete.... Interested in trying something I'm trying (due to my Lizard brain being wired somewhat different to others and often needing a different way of comprehending something to 'see it' the way someone else does)...
Instead of the good ol "Focus on a chain link" when putting.... See if this does anything for you...
Think of the basket as a big Rubbish Bin... Now go throw some putts so they go over the top of that bin... (Completely ignore that there are chains there).
For me this seems to be working for those longer putts I end up "I was meaning to lay up there..."
I think it's back to my actually quite 'Physics' capable grey matter taking that "Aim at a chain link" too literally, and stalling out as if I want the disk to STOP on that chain link, rather than pass through it...Course spending over a year putting with a Pid, up and to the right so it would stall and fall into the basket (Sometimes) hasn't helped my game... I've just gone mack to my quickly discarded starter pack base plastic putter that I just hated the feel of... and now it flies beautifully and is actually grippier in the wet..
Grippier... when wet?... (memories of a Physics teacher explaining something along the lines of negative friction, like a squeaky door, where the friction is High.. but breaks loose abruptly only to slide, and ramp up to that high friction point again... rinse, repeat, make a squeak while doing it) the grip on the disk may slide with a squeak type brrrrp... but that initial high friction point is well above my release grip.... so yeah... More grippy..... When it's dry... a more smooth grip.. but not as high.... I even had good results from a base plastic beat up Beast in the rain.
Did I get off subject again.... You should hear me in person.... (Bring earmuffs.... or better yet... a Gun).
You sound like a kindred spirit! I totally get it... I keep telling myself with my Flick putts... just trust your body to know what to do. With my regular putt, I have the same mindset of trying to toss it into a trash can. When you think about how many object we have toss into a can...we have done that all of lives... our bodies get that type of shot more than trying to touch a specific chain. :D
@@ogdiscgolfer Again, tried that today... Looked at the basket and told myself "I want this disk to sail across the top of the basket to the grass on the other side..."
Every time I remembered to stop just trying to hit chain, and to sail it across the whole (chainless) basket... It sailed just like that (hitting those chains that magically materialised after it released).
Biggest prob now is trying to put from 30+ and out accelerating the disc with my throw (leaving the disk behind)...
I keep forgetting and trying to "Throw" the putt when just turning my palm from down to up is all the motion I need for short...
Outside 30 I revert to my Pig Anhyzer Flex shot (which I now have an overstable RPM Kea midrange to do)
They may not be a high percentage long put.. but they look so impressive doing an S into the basket.
I've discovered an interesting thing with "Why Do I Throw Plastic At Trees"
I'm semi intelligent... I've ridden skateboards (ok in the 70's when the only trick in town was tic tac toe), Motor cross bikes (ok Trail use), Mountain bikes (Hey look out.. 50yo DH rider commin though)... and thrown Frisbee's... Yes Frisbees, not Disc Golf discs... Light weight big and straight arm Hyzers (tho that word never existed)...
(oh and thrown a LOT of stones... usually lobbed into the water when not skipping....)
So here's the thing.... I think my brain is better than I give it credit... and when looking down a string of trees, and picking "If I aim at THAT tree, the disk will fly toward it, but fade off as it gets there"
So I take the shot... and of course I hit THAT tree...
Which leaves me thinking..... Sometimes when you target something... your good ol Lizard Brain takes over... and says... Right he want's to hit that tree... so we need to counter the fade... so go on and throw that sucker but hold on a split second to Yeet it a little to the [right]... The master Will be pleased...
Basically where I'm going with this is.... Be wary of picking a target as an Aiming point if you don't actually want to hit it.... Good ol Lizard Brain's got your back, even when you didn't want it.
I'm not there yet... but when shooting round corners in a forest.. I need to try focusing where I want a disk to land.. and tryst Lizard Brain to do the shaping to get it there... then I just have to pick a disk that will turn the right [or left] curve to miss the trees.
The only place I get away with this is a Turn shot using an under stable where the target tree is at the max distance the flippy disk will run thrown flat...
(Course never underestimate good ol Lizard Brain adding a little Hyzer ... "Touch Wood"
Yep, you got it... I believe that we actually get in the way of our Lizard brain too much out on the course. That is what I was trying to refer to with Ulitmate. I don't have time to think, so I let my lizard brain do the calculations as I am throwing. How many times have you been messing around with your friends and say "watch this" and not thinking... hit exactly what you were looking at. So if we can be aware of when to focus on what, I think we will be better. agree that our brains are always trying to please the master and get us to what we are focusing on... Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@ogdiscgolfer Did that today... Mediocre shot into the wind fell 50ft short in a hollow.... Blurted out "Watch this flex putt and proceeded to Anhyzer flex up hill 50ft into the basket.
Wish I could do That all day long... (Came from a 1st year of putting only with the Pig.
My favourite "Lizard line" is a open stance, (45deg front foot to the right) facing the basket, staring at the target and straight arm Yeet it about 45 deg (where my front foot was aiming) out to the right on a 40deg Hyzer.. (Yup... A typical 80's Frisbee throw....)...
What's embarrassing is I often bullseye things with it when showing people... but has a habit of skipping on to the left in a game... but I have chained a 300ft down hill with it once... fell about 5ft long for the birdie... (No one there tho... so didn't happen... sigh)
I tried my hunch on the forest shot today... Grab the disk that does the line, then just focus on where you want it to land, not where you want it to passthrough...
Seemed to work a treat... (Hole 6 on Berhampore Golf Course Wellington NZ is through a mini forest of Pine trees with a pair of curved right channels with the basket barely visible...
that is great! I totally get the... I can nail it when showing off for someone else! :D Keep it up!
I say be careful of that tree. Then tell me now it’s in his head. I hit the same tree before not knowing it was there.
Yep... between our brains and our form... those trees don't stand a chance! :D
I think if you have to ignore a tree. There needs to be some practice with accuracy
I will always agree with needing more practice :D