Breaking The First Rule of Bike Touring
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2024
- Review of the Pelago Airisto.
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“Mountain bikes are step-through bikes” 👍😂
34 pounds, you say? Now that you're outside the US, you'll have to get on with the metric system... 😂
34 pounds is almost 40 euros nowadays.
No the US needs to use the metric system. Lol
I haven’t got a clue how much 34lbs is
@@a1whitemy almost 4 year old is 43 pounds. Does that help? :-)
As a Canadian, no, please stick with the pounds!! And height in feet and inches!
‘Schwobble’ 😂 lives rent-free in my head - I can’t be the only one, can I?
Step thru are bikes are underrated. Great review.
as you are now in europe we should expect to see kg and kph as overlay right ;) the Pelago in olive muted green reminds me of the swiss army velo, but in a sort of modern retro version, if it had a triangular frame
As a metric loving American, I find a lot of joy in bicycles because they're predominantly metric (except for MTB tires and frame sizes).
I'm glad you like Pelago bikes! I live 5km away from their flagship store in Helsinki and bough a Stavanger frameset at the beginning of October. I quickly built it and tested it for about 50km, then went for a bikepacking trip the following weekend. It's such a versatile frame. I've built it with GRX 1x11, 650b Dt Swiss gr1600 wheels, Pirelli Cinturato tyres and Zipp finishing kit. Currently I'm rocking 53mm studded tyres and I can definitely see myself making the Stavanger a bit sportier with carbon fork, and lightweight 700c wheels.
Your never said how much
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 frameset cost is 1095€. Complete bike 2290€. If you pick your own components the price may be higher or lower
Seems like an overall great bike! Other than the skinny tires, which I agree in this day and age are silly, even for a predominantly city bike, your other criticisms are simply you stating your preferences. You’d prefer it were an ATB 😊
Which is fine! But I’m not sure framing them as “cons” is quite the way to go about it, in that case. Even this Aristo Outback (as opposed to the Commuter) positions itself primarily in the city, with the option to take smooth forest paths. In that context a basket and fenders are ideal, as is the roadish handling.
Indeed, given how few complete bikes are available anywhere in the ‘Western’ world that come with fenders, dynamo, and some kind of rack, I wish you’d have spent more time contemplating the kind of bike it is, where it fits in the market, and so on, rather than the kind of bike you wished it were. There is an entire ecosystem of gravel and ATB bikes out there. Wanting this to be one of those misses an opportunity to look at alternative cycling outside of “gravel” and gravel adjacent worlds. Cheers!
Of my 9 bikes, the smallest width is a 28, but I just “test rode” a used bike with 23’s, which werdd Ed the norm just a few years ago. Anyways it was surprisingly nimble & responsive; along with being noticeably lighter. I wouldn’t want to ride it on loose gravel but for the mean concrete streets of Seattle, it did fine. ✌️
I'm starting to realize is that a huge benefit of your move to Spain is how much we'll learn about how European bikes do partypace! Hope you'll soon go visit some other European countries!
Hey Russ, I’ve bought that bike for my wife, put a Ron’s Ortho bar and some Mezcal 700x42, and that thing can shred trails!
Good to know. It’s begging for some bigger meats!
Ron ortho bars seemly always sold out.
They are instock right now, I was just looking at them. @@Mantis858585
I absolutely love my Crust " harvey mushman" bars 800mm great comfort & control!
Awesome bike. A lot of people ride wrongly sized frames imo and this is a sensible solution - and it also looks pretty kewl. Good to see your move to Spain is working out for you. The summers can be brutal though.
You never talk about bike touring 🤷🏻♂️😎
If this is your first time on a bike... you have to tour.
For me Touring bikes are drops many advantages. Multiple hand positions, efficiency. Triple chainrings. Racks and panniers for easy lock up and baggage removal. Good luck with removing those bags to go to a cafe. Ortlieb panniers take a second. If you are doing intercity you on roads and cycle tracks mostly. So schwalbe supreme are efficient. I have short legs and have a Ridgeback world panorama. Slopping top tube mean I can stand over. Does mean care with getting on. Still at 69 I can do it. Interesting reviews!
thanks Russ, that is a nice looking bike, I would tour on it but wider tyres for sure, great stuff
Would be nice if you reviewed some hybrid bikes. There cheaper have mountain bike gearing but have more road Bike geometry and gravel bike tyres. There are some interesting brands out there doing hybrids with classic designs like my Ribble hybrid. I ride this everywhere I used to ride a hardtail xc mountain bike
What a pretty looking bike. The geometry reminds me of my English 3 speeds, such practical bikes.
Shims if you want to experiment with stem lengths
Very excited for this! My wife has an identical Pelago Airisto Outback and loves it.
Nice looking bike. Always appreciate Russ's honest and detailed reviews. I don't understand why any brand would spec any touring bike, let alone a bike-packing bike, with tires this narrow.
“this narrow” tires, by which standards, 🇺🇸 ?
By🇪🇺standards, these tires are just fine.
Nobody needs loading 2 days of food, let aside 3, in their panniers touring in Europe.
Ditto, bike packing, might US riders or Aussies need sometimes to haul 6-8 liters of water, up to 12l, I’ve read, riding in the Australian outback.
European riders go a long way with two 1l bottles.
You can find water easily about everywhere in Europe, in dire need, just knock randomly on anybody’s door and ask them to fill your bottles.
Euro-riders travel light, are light ( compare average BMI) and therefore have no use of these [ridiculously] oversized tires.
While it's not a true touring/bikepacking bike, and it's not sold as such, so I kind of disagree with some cons you give, I truly like this review. Will definitely share this content. Thanks
Being in the EU you should totally check out the 8bar tflsberg v2, sounds like a bike that's right up your street. Weird looking, comfy touring geo and super utilitarian with almost 20 mounts. I'm actually building a custom frame for an off road tourer based on it and my current gravel bike.
Nice bike reminds me of my sister's mixtie pugeot she bought two of them beat up so i fixed one to original with the the working parts and build the other one custom new paint and upgraded parts and her husband was like those are not the same bikes they work. But while fixing i rode it and changed my out look on upright seating position its just relaxing.
Good pros & cons discussion.
great content! thanks.
Not bad value especially with the dyno on the front wheel to power lights without a battery.
Looks like a souped up momacherry.
Very interesting review of a bike most of us in the US would never see nor consider bikes from countries like Finland. Love the bike scenery you've found away from the "roadies."
Is it me or have you relaxed more in Spain? You seem to speak in a more deliberate manner now. Not a complaint just an observation.
It's a town bike, a nice one too.
I can't believe people follow rules when bike packing. I grab what I need and go have an adventure
I ride a Bacchetta Giro A 20 and would never consider a diamond frame bike for touring again! 37 years of riding a diamond frame before switching to comfort and speed..
I wonder how this compares with the VO Low Kicker? The colorway (albeit a muted green) and the mixte-like design remind me of it.
im looking to restore an old mixte, i only have short legs aswell!
51mm is more like mid trail... Jan Heine would say: the worst of both worlds ;-)
Lower trail handling - would you acclimate with more in the saddle time? Enough for descending to feel less sketchy?
Why go from 35’s to 48’s. What happened to 40’s?
I'd get a taller bike basket because then stuff has more difficulty "jumping out" of the basket whenever there's a bump on the road...
It *is* positioned as an urban commuter, and the Stavanger is the bikepacker. You're under-biking by touring with it. 😀
In their own copy "A bikepackers choice".
what about a cruiser bike ?
It's not more common. 1" threadless is unicorn stuff. Really weird and kinda unexplainable design choice if you ask me.
Hey Russ, can you do a video on how cycling focused expats are taking over Girona, as I've heard a lot of locals are quite bitter about it, and even have a word to negatively describe expat cyclists.
I always felt that mountain bikes are soon going to be so step-thru, your body will be in the same position as a segway rider.
Nice review, thanks. Another note...anyone else think that the audio is a bit weak?
So it's not that I am just getting old...
You started that when you posted the video
Hey Russ, enjoyable video as always, but I have noticed that lately your audio is much quieter than other channel (like 3-6db). This causes a drastic difference in audio levels with other videos and more importantly commercials. I just about woke the whole family when watching this late at night.
Rear chain stays??? JK - Still lovin' the content Russ.
I have never seen A step through bike that was A mountain bike> i wish i could find one.
I think that quip was essentially that most modern MTBs have low top-tubes to accommodate dropper seatposts that they're getting closer to step-thru now. The standover on my XL FS MTB is 759mm, or 29.8". The medium on that model is 703mm or 27.6". It's not a true step-thru, but it's low enough that few people won't be able to stand over it it's even close to the right size for them.
Zorro Vidal cerro san Cristóbal 😅 8:47
I haven’t watched yet, but I’m going to guess it’s putting all the heavy stuff in the front pack and mounting it as far forward and high as you can.
I haven't watched it yet and I thought the first rule of bike touring is to not talk about bike touring :-D
My Touring bike would roll over that thing like a monster truck. lol
With that saddle bag you are not bike touring. You are bike packing. You must obtain and install a rear rack and then hang at least on pannier on it before you can consider yourself to be bike touring. You can't put a granny gear on that crank because it is missing a small bolt circle. Junk it and get an IXF.
Bikepacking / bike touring is defined by the terrain not the bags. Riding a mountain bike on the road doesn’t mean you’re mountain biking. Using bikepacking bags on a road tour doesn’t mean you’re bikepacking.
What's a RASKET?! 😛
I thought the first rule of bicycle touring was “let the bicycle carry the weight “, in other words, use panniers and bike bags instead of a backpack. You seemed to be following that wisdom.
The first rule of bike touring is go by bike or at least with a bike ^_^
I’ve been riding a bike for 60 years but just recently started watch YT videos about it. I need a bike terminology guide to completely understand what the hell you’re talking about.
Love these bike since they have been released. It was always a great looking city/ ATB bike, but really not a "touring" bike
How does your butt not hurt going over those trails on skinny tires without suspension? And your wrists....🤔
Shwabble? NIEN DAS IST SCHWAAAHLBE
Oh man, that's one bike that should not have discs, lol!
We have 9 moths of rainy and grimy in finlands. Just replaced the rims on my rim-brake tourer, would rather just service brake discs.
@@tuomaskankaanpaa1490Same here in Cumbria 🙄.