Pilots Go Around Too Late
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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British Airways Airbus A320 late go around decision
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Royal Air Maroc Cargo Boeing 767 pitching up after touchdown
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Air France Airbus A350 head up display view of takeoff in Boston
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Cessna Caravan hard landing with tailstrike
• Bad Landing C208
United Boeing 757 beautiful sunrise takeoff with thrust reduction
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I've flown 100s of times, but every time I hear the thrust reduction, my bloods runs cold - think the engines have packed up Stupid, but there you are 😢
Once you are stable you don’t need full power. Also there are speed limits at certain altitudes. Thrust reduction is completely normal. Finally, a passenger airplane can fly with only 1 engine if the other one fails.
Wouldn’t it be scary if you needed to go full power to stay airborne?
@@MBL2210Exactly… also once the airplane achieved V1 (in simple words, seconds before taking off), one of the engines can fail and the airplane can still come back and land safely.
@@mbvallim I'm just tryna calm our homie haha
Used to scare me every time out of Long Beach, cutting engines do to noise restrictions.
I remember my first flight and the engine sound suddenly reducing after take off. i thought we lost the engines and that was it.
Till date i'm very surprised at how cool and composed i was , thinking that freaking out wouldn't change anything about the situation. better to go out proudly like a man !!
Love your content, thank you for putting these out.
Rr and 757, iconic combi
It was a P&W B757....United!
@@daftvader4218 no way. Look at the RR logo on the engine
@@singel09 You are RIGHT..
That is not a United -200 as 3mins states... which has P&W but a 757 -300 with RR...
Winglets !!!!
Well done !!!
Looking on my phone
@@singel09 Hi
I am STILL wrong!!
All B757 now have winglets
save 5%fuel and reduce wake.
My knowledge is about 30 years old when I used to fly RR B 757 with no winglets. .
All those planes are probably in the desert...
My apologies.
All the best
Looks like the Air France A-350 was taking off from KBOS (Logan Airport, Boston MA).
There is nothing like the sound of an RB211 at take off power. Music to my ears.
Great channel ! Earned a sub
In the BA A320 clip, You can always go around but they are late to do that
As someone who hears every sound in the plane, that thrust reduction creeps me out every time. I'm like, what happened, did we lose an engine, are we falling, etc.
Saw this after I'd just said much the same thing. Glad I'm not the only person who feels like this.
Same here
After hundreds of flights, it still gets me every time. It just feels wrong 😅
Good video
When do you think my video will get on there @3MinutesofAviation
Touch and go
757 engines still the best sound in aviation
how does the HUD stay synced up with the camera?
Cessna just performed a controlled crash!
RR engines always have the most hideous sounds and squeals.
That was a deliberate touch and go, not a go around.
Absolutely not. They would’ve lowered the nose, reset the flaps for take off and wouldn’t have had the spoilers armed.
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Why do you headline like this? I was under the impression “too late” for a go around would result in a runway incursion.
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He already touched down his wheel, he should already commit to the landing.
The 320 does not go around too late. that plane wasn‘t even close to the end of the runway.
Remind me not to fly on a 757. Well, without earplugs...
Fly on a Rolls Royce B757.
Much quieter
80% of B757 have RR.
Not United !!
IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO GO AROUND ! 😉
If the reverse thrust is not activated, go-around remains possible after touchdown.
Totally agreed.
However in this case, it's not obvious why the go around from an outside view. It's a hard landing, yes, but early on the runway, spoilers deployed, etc... The spoilers deployed for a few seconds indicate that the go around was initiated after a few second on the ground. So it's hard to tell why they have gone around with the aircraft apparently safe on the ground.
I can only see 2 reasons :
1. runway incursion further down the runway (invisible on the video)
2. training flight with no intent to do a full stop.
There is no place where a runway incursion would happen later down the runway. And there is no way in hell, that you would do a training flight into LIS with the intent of a go-around or touch and go. The go around in the case of the BA seems a bit unnecessary.
@@GyrisCap there are a lot of places for a runway uncursiosns
We can't see the runway alignment of the plane. If your mains cross the the centerline the book says "go" and do it better next time.
@@jimmiller5600 That's also what I thought. It can be a training but it doesn't have to be a training necessarely. If they can't maintain centerline properly or even can't confirm that the aircraft will stay on the ground properly, they have to go around. It can take 10 seconds to relalize that the directionnal control is not ensured or that the aircraft refuses the ground. The Pilot Flying will use the reverse thrust only when ensured that full stop landing can be done for this reason.
After all these years, I still love flying the 757.
I can't wait to fly on it again in December. I LOVE THAT PLANE!!!! ❤
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Most likely, the go around was called just before the relatively hard touchdown. As long as thrust reversers aren’t deployed, you can still go around. Also, once you begin a go around, you follow through with it.
Not likely, as the spoilers were deployed for several seconds. This indicates that the thrust levers were at or near idle. The point where the spoilers retracted again is where the thrust levers were moved.
"Go around. Go around. GO AROUND"
"nope"
"ok"
"GOING AROUND"
yes but why ? After the hard landing and a few second on the ground with spoilers deployed, the aircraft was safe on the ground. So why the go around ?
@@n666eoI’m sure there’s any number of reasons; speed too high to safely stop, instability of the landing, high winds, etc. The spooling up of the engines on these planes is not immediate, so it’s likely their decision to do a go around was made even before the wheels touched the runway.
@@OwnedByACatNamedC.C. : I'm sure there is a good reason. I'm just surprised because in 99.9% of go around, the reason can be guest, not in this case.
The spooling up is not immediate, but the retractation of spoilers is (at least very short). And the spoilers stayed out for 5 seconds with the aircraft on the ground, which means it took 4 to 5 seconds on the ground to the crew to decide to go around.
Is anyone else pretty sure that Cessna caravan stalled (its left wing) right before it touched down? Sure looked like it. That wing dropped super fast.
I may look silly, but, if the BA A320 had already safely touched down, why did the pilots continue with the go-around?
The pilots must have determined that they couldn’t safely land in time before the end of the runway and if thats the case its always best to just go around than risk injuries if you do overshoot.
@@londontransporter they are on the ground well before the touchdown markers. I would hope they didn't try to land on a runway too short for the aircraft (also, we know this runway 21 at Lisbon, which is more that 3km long...). So the landing was safe.
The only reason I can see for this go around is a runway incursion down the runway.
I think they had a bounce or something and didn’t feel confident
Could’ve been anything, really
Cessnas freak me out enough as is lol. If people could fly tin cans, Cessna comes to my mind.
The thrust reduction sound always sparks a second of unease in me. Like the sound of engines turning off 😅 that sunrise while above the clouds is gorgeous
Pipers freak me out a lot.
Hearing a significant thrust reduction on just one of the Cherokee or Piper Cub Rolls Royce power plants drives me to the point where I start squealing like a Cessna 150 stall warning alarm.
That’s crazy that Cessna stalled onto the runway
Yep! Fabulous, ain't it?
😁
Cessna landing, clearly Aerosucre expanding their service to more... um... 'secret' air strips. Overloaded AF as always. Gotta get the goods there asap, amigo.
😂 gotta love the cartel airline boys
2:20 I didn’t realize the sun started to rise in the West sky? This is SFO, runway 1R, north departure. This point of view is the left side and would be facing west. This is a SunSET not SunRISE.
I could do the whole 3 minutes of that last one with the 757-200 departure in the early morning. Extremely Gorgeous and love the sound.
love the sound.? super annoying.
@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004To each his own.✌🏻
One of the most unique sounds in aviation is the sound of a 757 with Roll-Royce engines on it. It is a sound that is known quite well, and if you find it annoying are you even an aviation fan?@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004
I love the sound of a C-5 Galaxy taking off.
As an ex-USAF jet eng mechanic, I totally agree!
That final clip of the departure from SFO was at sunset to the west, not sunrise.
0:57 apart from the pitch up, that was quite a smooth landing!
Good there were no passengers 😂
@AbductedbyAliens58it was a cargo plane...?
Appalling landing technique on that B767..
Nothing smooth about that poor technique. ..
That cessna... practically smashed the wing into the ground as well despite the high wing design 🙈
2:18 I love the buzzsaw sound of big turbofans at full thrust. That's the fan blade tips breaking the sound barrier.
That’s what that noise is on the plane? Really? That’s cool!
I was curious, thanks! I've heard this sound before but I feel like not on every flight.
It's only a late go-around if it runs out of runway ;)
That A350 HUD is just so cool
I don't like seeing commercial pilots playing around with, and wearing GoPro cameras...that shouldn't be allowed!
That Caravan didn't just tail strike - left wingtip too and the left main gear took quite a thump. I'm guessing a trip to the workshop and a whole lot of x-ray / ultrasonic examination followed 😬😬
The late go around one, does anybody know why in this situation the pilots still decide to go around while the plane seems to be landed and in stable condition? I have seen a couple of similar go arounds and wonder why?
My best guess is that when go around is initiated it cannot be aborted and there is a delay for the engine to respond to the go around original command.
Yes there's a gap between the TO/GA command and the engine revs up, but it's relatively small! Considering the time that it stays on the ground, probably the pilot initiated the go around just a second before he touched down because the spoilers were not deployed! The reason is unknown, but it could be everything, even an ATC order!
@@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion Thanks for your reply and explanation 🌺
@@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion Downfield runway incursion seems possible.
2:18 Is that a crack in the engine mount? Is it oil leaking out? Either way I'd be concerned as a passenger!😲😁👍😎✌🗽
2:02 nothing like stalling onto the runway ❤
Fan buzz, fan blade tips going supersonic at high power settings, they stop when cruising.
2:00 that Cessna landing feels so chaotic, it almost seems like it's coming in hot but then it tip stalls right before touching down? Was it overloaded or something?
Maybe a density altitude error. Scary.
That pilot didn’t land, they fell with style
Good channel but again? Why the odd caption?
On the BA A320, reversers hadn't deployed they'd had a bounce, go around was the correct option.
I'm not sure about this one. The aircraft has been on the ground with spoilers deployed for 5 seconds, before the go around was initiated. I would have agreed if the spoilers went down just after the very small bounce. But 5 seconds later, with the aircraft rolling safely, is a bit long...
mmmm RB211
That Caravan has the opposite of a soft field landing
I've never seen an A320 do a touch and go before!
I believe circuits is mandatory with an Airbus type rating. On occasion I’ve seen A380’s in the circuit as the pilots get practice.
It is not unusual for the wheels to touch the runway on a go around.......does not mean a late go around especially when performing a low visibility approach.
It all depends when the decision to go around was made....
There is no such thing as a LATE go around. ..
Just a go around !!!
I experienced one of those once
Long story short, that airport was previously for military activities only, and it was made slightly bigger to handle commercial aircraft. The terrain is pretty rough, and the weather isn’t the best. Not to mention the runways are relatively tiny so even the most experienced pilots do at least 3 go-arounds during landing. One of those go-arounds happened to be a bit late…
Imagine you're a topgun - flying off CVN carriers and engaging Iranian MiGs in your Tomcat then you retire and 6 months later, your muscle memory still sharp, you get a job flying the Airbus with its swanky new headsup display. You'd be trying smoke enemy Air Somalia 737s and shoot down bogies at 2 o'clock only to find out it was a TUI Dreamliner heading for TFS with a full compliment of old age pensioners (with AK47s)!!
It is never too late to go around unless you have deployed your reversers 😉
The smell of rubber came here 😅😅
I’m guessing that the BA A320 did the baulked landing because of the lack of flare and heavy landing. However, there should be more than enough runway remaining to complete the landing in such a small aircraft. They made the decision and stuck with it.
It was windshear mate.
@@Jwc77766- it wasn’t. There just wasn’t much of a flare and they dumped it on the runway.
If they suffered windshear that late in the landing then it would be safer to continue with the landing and not go around.
The 206 "landing" was a crash landing requiring extensive & crazily expensive inspections & repairs if needed. You could easily rack up a bill of 50k or better
That go-around was later than my girlfriends last period!
I'm jk..
We all know I don't have a girlfriend.
The BA a320 pilot was like:
Nahh, this landing was not butter enough, I'm gonna give another shot!!
I genuinely thought that Royal Air Morocco had some serious typos, and had to check it up to confirm it's Royal Air Maroc!
TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!
1:54 RyanAir landing school
Great catches! Nice video!
Is it just me? The video quality must be 480, max. I don’t have the option to change it.
The first one wasn't a late go around.. the pilot thought he could've had an controlled landing but due to the windy conditions he had to pick up back speed and go lift off again
Only think i thought i heard on radio i presume he ment military aircraft something about tornado behind Im not sure what ATC were refering to
Anybody else notice how Boeing aircraft seems to have more engine noise and resonance intrusion into the cabin? Airbus on the other hand have quieter engines but noisier pumps and hydraulics.
The A320 seemed to be empty, maybe a training go around?
"I'm gonna go around and try it again."
"But we're on the ground."
"I know, but my OCD compels me to try it again to grease it."
That old 757-200 sounds more like a cheap sex toy 🫨
That Caravan landing was pitiful, and probably didn't do any damage.
Curious why the BA would do a go around... looked like a normal touchdown?
I live a KM north of the Runways 11L/R for KFAT, my first cup of morning coffee at 6AM sees an American Airlines 737, a SWA 737, an Alaska Airlines RJ and the morning FedEx 767 and UPS 757 depart. All in less than 10 minutes.
if that Cessna had been 10 feet higher when his left wing dipped, it would have been way uglier
The go around is a must. The plane is falling down like a rock, and without go around, the plane will likely bounce, or even lead to a collapsed landing gear.
It is smart for pilot to increase thrust, so the momentum is pushed forwards, and less stress is put on the landing gear. Nothing wrong in the video, in terms of pilot maneuver
Episode: Bouncing around and a barking Rolls Royce.
huh, french airbus and QNH in inch, why not HPa?
Cessna passenger to pilot, Have we landed or did we crash?
That pilot broke the left landing gear strut on that C208.... 🤦🏽♂️
Until the reversers come out, it’s never “too late”.
And it's only too late then because it takes a few seconds to stow them again, so you can't apply thrust in a timely fashion.
@@chrisschack9716 yes indeed - “too late” by SOP 😎
Cessna tipstalled. I did not know they can tipstall like that.
A "too late" go-around usually results in a crash.
do 757-200 has a rolls royce engines?
Delta has PR American has RR and most others have a mix the PR engines are also the same ones on the C 17
@@ronparrish6666 This is a United -200 with P&W engines. .
About 80 % of B757's have RR engines.
I believe most B757 have RR...
And knowing the pilot of that bush pilot, he probably got more people on and went right back up in the air.
The RAM pilot was just practicing their soft field landings.
It’s actually a very tough decision. It’s very compelling to pilots to just land already if you’re all the way there. Only in few seconds you have to decide.
I love the 75s...sports car of the sky!
First one is hydraulic system failure
I'm curious about the Pilot's HUD. Do they think it's more helpful than traditional methods of using instrument panels or do they find it not so helpful? I only ask because I've seen some pilots say in reference to flying they will only fly Boeing because they don't like the Side Stick on Airbus. I would imagine it would be the senior veteran pilots more than newer ones. I just wonder though if they like aviation innovation and the direction it's heading to.
I've flown with HUD on small planes. The simple fact that you can keep you eyes outside, and during approach, that your aiming point is actually shown in real time on the landscape, is just amazing. Hand flying is a lot more natural with a HUD for me.
@@n666eo That is interesting I wasn't aware smaller planes were using HUD as well. Do you fly a Lear or Cessna style plane?
Which pilots do you speak to? 1930s or 1940s?
@@RJSAMCRO It was on an experimental aircraft, quite similar to a Vans. It's very very not common in this kind of aircraft. But it was a very interesting experience !
I’ve been flying with a HUD since 2001. A lot of pilots refused to switch, but finally the FAA requires them to use the hud during training. Suddenly a lot of my coworkers regret not switching earlier to the HUD.
It’s way more helpful. I barely look down and the regular displays. More importantly, you have your eyes outside at all times.
I think Boeing and Airbus are installing HUDs on their latest aircraft, because too many of the younger generation keep their focus inside 100% of the time. You can actually see it on all these UA-cam videos how pilots go “inside” while the airplane is still on the ground.
@ 2:03 "Hard Landing" = S**t landing.
I never want to go through that ever again
it's never too late for a go around
Sadly, no Aerosucrae
0:22
Everyone on that plane is 1 inch shorter, now.
Nice video
2:20 - GTFO of san fran as fast as possible! good job!
Accidentally read Royal Air Maroc as "Ryan Air Maroc."
Title sucks.. too late means too late, not made it easily...
Was that last engine noise normal? Hugely annoying all flight long, if it was.
Usually it only makes that sound on full power or high thrust settings, so you only really hear it on takeoff. You also hear it louder when you're sitting in front of the engines than behind them.
Thats Rolls Royce aircraft engines . GE much quieter and more efficient.
It is normal, it’s a 757 with RR. At around 15000ft, you no longer hear this sound, the wind become louder.
It is. As the aircraft climbs and accelerates the sound of the air flowing around the airplane over takes the engine noise. At cruise the sound in the cabin is similar to that of a fast flowing river.
Thanks Gentlemen, obvs I can only afford to sit behind the engines and usually next row up from the loos, so the noises I hear are quite different!
Perversely I enjoy watching this channel, even though it is about mistakes and occurrences that are beyond my comprehension, but the sheer magnificence of flight is a joy to behold (landing safely better!)