I love how they pump out content for people my age, the gaming history. This is stuff that I remember fondly, the KeSpa era was something great, the forerunner of modern esports. Broodwar was one of the greatest and most difficult games of all time, and Jaedong and Flash are living legends, the gosu elite, true bonjwas.
To understand how important these two people are: when the korean olympic soccer team needed a pep talk, the olympic team sent Flash to motivate them..
Jaedong didn't just earn the nickname "The Zerg Tyrant" he's the embodiment of it his aggressive plays are some of the most insane maneuver I've ever seen in SC Competitive, and they often paid off too
Jaedong is also the person that literally developed almost everything that is the staple of Zerg play in BW. He proved ZvP was Zerg favored after the topple of Savior and basically was like "no, Bisu is not the death of Zerg". He literally defined and showed how ZvZ is done, why there is a rock paper scissors between 9 pool, 12 pool, and 12 hatch, the strengths and weaknesses of each vs the other, as well as how to play both sides to victory. And he was the example of how to play against Terran. While Savior is a bonjwa because he revolutionized and revitalized Zerg to prove that Terran was not unbeatable, even at a time when maps were so heavily T favored and Z disfavored, at a time when the only bonjwas were terran players (and 4 out of 5 bonjwas are Terran), when Terran was considered broken (even though nowadays they still kinda are), Savior still struggled in other matchups, but Jaedong literally was the person you studied for every matchup and the person every Zerg attempted to model their style from, because he was the epitome and example of what Zerg could do. I also like what they said in this video, without Jaedong there may be no Flash as we know, and vice versa there might not be the Jaedong that we know. The thing about Flash is the playstyle he does is literally the perfect optimized style of Terran, knowing exactly what every build could be doing at any moment and doing just enough to stay slightly ahead or create an advantage against any race. But Flash would not have been able to make that playstyle without the players that existed at the time, like Bisu and Jaedong and Stork, the rest of the taekbangleesang.
@@willn8664 Actually Daigo and Justin Wong aren't the best in the same games (Daigo with Street Fighter and JWong with MvC) so they can't be described as a rivalry
Man, I really enjoyed this video. I'm one of the "old" gamers and started playing BW when I was about 9 years old. I still play sc2 to this day. I remember watching GOMTV streams at 3 or 4 in the morning. Starcraft and Starcraft 2 are definitely very special to me and I have countless good memories with the game.
Bro starcraft was the very first game I have ever played on pc at the age of 7! My age is 30 and over the 23 years I only got a pc just to starcraft! I will learn my kids how to play starcraft!
Kids these day will never understand how big Flash VS Jaedong back was in the day.They are literally 2 gods that was born to kill each other. Other players are just pepble for their paving ways to meet each other. It's like Ronaldo vs Messi of Esport, they can't be compared to anybody else, just themselves
When I was 8 or 9 I used to watch vods of a lot of the pro league, osl, and msl matches with my older brother through people posting them on UA-cam, torrents, etc. Both of us loved playing broodwar and we used to love watching pros like bisu, nada, flash, and jaedong. The flash vs jaedong matches were especially entertaining to watch because it was competitive and they kept pushing each other to their limits . Even though I didn’t understand everything they were doing I still enjoyed it. Eventually, I moved on to sc2 and enjoyed it but not as much as broodwar. I’m 18 now but I still reminisce about those days when talking to my brother about video games.
This rivalry has to be the greatest esports rivalry of all time, and exploded interest during a time when the Internet was quickly growing. Honestly, extraordinarily similar to Magic & Bird in the NBA, and how they brought basketball to a new level when color TVs were becoming more accessible to average consumers.
Thank you so much for the Starcraft content, this Chanel truly understands how important Starcraft is/has been for esports and I really really appreciate it as a StarCraft diehard
although Stork was my favorite player back then, i cannot deny the fact that jaedong made the game really fun to watch. i watch jaedong vs flash matches like its korea vs japan in soccer
I played broodwar occasionally since my highschool days way back in 2001. Now, I play mostly starcraft 2, plat 1 on the ladder. I'm glad you brought attention to the sc2 community. For the 2019 SEA games, sc2 will be the one ESPORTS pc games together with dota2. Much love, from Philippines! :)
@VeroMithril uhh? Sc2 esports still depends on both koreans and western players. Besides the fact that the players do purchase the prize pool and not blizzard anymore. In fact sc2 became independent from blizzard long ago to the point where it doesn't even matter if they take dev's from sc2 because the competitive scene is able to hold their head above water on their own.
Hayaan niyo yang si veromithril. Hindi kasi naglalaro ng sc2 kaya insecure lang. Hindi katulad ng hots, ibang klaseng legacy ang na-contribute ng sc at sc2 kaya hindi yan basta basta bibitawan ng blizzard. Sabi nga nila pig at beastyqt malakas parin ang scene ng sc2 tapos may mga weekly tournaments pa sila wardi at yung ominoleague ni crank
AAAAAHHH BROOODWAR Yesssssssssssssssss Thank you guys. Thaaaaaaaaaaank you. Such a wonderful esport. So much depth. Really appreciate all the love it gets.
that's what i was confused about. He says FvJ paved the way for esports, meanwhile I'm sitting there like... did Boxer Yellow do nothing for Brood War? How about Nal-Ra Savior? Reach oov?
Yellow and boxer paved the way of just Starcraft esports. Heck the term esports probably didn’t exist in their era. They are Important on their own rights，but what truly made the term “esports” a worldwide and not just a South Korea thing was Flash and Jaedong’s unbelievable rivalry.
Not only rivalry, back in December of 2015 in Shanghai SC 2 Legacy of the Void Invitational, when they playing the Archon mode together, they dominated everyone else (although there were rarely good players in that tournament 'Snute, Liwbow, Flash, Jaedong, McSed, Mayuki, F91, etc.'), I was so blessed to get both of their signatures.
GOD I love sc/bw I've never played this shit mainly cause im bad at it but I was good enough to play roc/tft but boy I got to be honest sc/bw shaped the esports forever
@@wasdwasdedsf You were saying? What more does he have to prove to you at this point? He beat all the WCS foes last year, you guys called him a joke; so they pitted him with Koreans in GSL vs the World, he won that tournament too, beating all the best Koreans at the time in their perspective races, and 3-0d the zerg, 1-0d Maru, and 4-3d stats. And when you thought that wasn't enough but one tournament, and one game with Maru; he ended up coming back, winning some WCS - and then beat the Koreans against, at Blizzcon, giving us some of the best ZvZ I have ever seen (look at that match vs Rogue at blizzcon 2018, omfg, best ZvZ ever, it was intense, coming down with fighting for scraps as map mined out, and still close). He took a little break, came back for WCS winter this year, did decent, and lost 2 WCS events - but both to Reynor, the second best ZvZ person on the planet. But he has won more, got his own WCS titles... And you guys still doubt him... So he just won GSL vs the World second year in row, crushing everyone with ease this time, the best Koreans again, could not even make him bleed in that tournament. Nor could any of the foreigners for that matter. And you know that ZvZ nemesis he had? Oh, right after the GSL vs the World in the current WCS summer, he just 4-0d him in the finals in some very lopsided games. So I ask you: How the fuck do you find Serral overrated? Who are you even comparing him to when you say overrated? Who do you think you can pit him against in SC2 where you think he wouldn't win more often than not? Maru? No, he wouldn't beat Serral even 40% of the time; especially on account of Serral's latent ZvT strength after figuring out the nuke strat early in the year (with a now rather high win rate vs T in the last couple months or so). Reynor? After last tournament, and with the constantly different results both of them post vs overall race competition of high caliber, it is clear. No, Serral is just better, not slightly. Rogue, soO, Stats or Neeb? No, he would be favored against them as well. You are saying he isn't dominating anything, but you are just denying big result after big result, simply because you do not like him.
@@adrianbundy3249 "you guys called him a joke;" who called him a joke? "but both to Reynor, the second best ZvZ person on the planet." you cant be this incompetent " Maru? No, he wouldn't beat Serral even 40% of the time;" lol hes overrated because hes hyped up as a god in a far lower skill game than SC1, in a dead game where semiserious washed up old koreans are the Cream of the crop. when sc1 was at the peak you would have 30 times more people trying to be proffesional, playing for professional teams, practicing more ffeciently and beyond fulltime, 12+ hours a day. fucking ancient 28-30year olds in zest, Classic, stats, soo would never have a chance in hell to be competetive with the top. for basically the whole duration of the game there werent a single person 25 and over who were top10 in the World. sc2 is a fraud dead game and thats why serral is disgustingly overrated. the guy didnt even become like top100 in the World until he was 19. flash, bisu and jaedong were ontop of the World in a game requiring more skill and had infinitely more competition at 15-17. there hasnt ever been a single person in sc1s history whos randomly arrived from nowhere at 19 and became noteable to any degree.
Would love some Warcraft 3 content! You guys hardly touch that game... if I missed one someone reply to this and give me a link! I have many many fond memories of waking up early on sunday morning's to watch the Zotac cup with some friends. One of the best games of all-time! And great timing with the remake coming up!
This will get eaten up in the comments but like everyone said, you need heroes in any competitive scene, and that was Jaedong and flash. I religiously followed the BW scene back in the day. These two monsters literally stood at the top throughout all the meta changes. Even during the height of other players such as stork fantasy and other notable players, it was Jaedong and flash that brought excitement to everyone’s eyes. Jaedong is known as the tyrant and legend killer for a reason. Absolutely monster that brought the team lecaf back into a title winning worthy team. Flash came in at a time where he was seen as second best rookie, behind by.baby but he proved everyone wrong. Fucking cheesed Bisu during his height out of the osl, and after people thinking that was a fluke, became known as the ultimate weapon for his ability to consistently win ace matches and do reverse sweeps. KT magicns were at a time when their team of legendary players such as teach, nal ra, yellow and chojja became old. Flash brought kt into absolute glory earning them many titles they had never achieved. Both absolute monsters. I follow competitive e sports scene and nothing in terms of quality compared to the rivalry of these two. The most historic rivalry that brought e sports to where it is now is of course boxer vs yellow. This rivalry is so historic, which started the entire e sports scene and laid the foundation of competitive gaming, that you said boxers name to any korean and they know who he is.
Even though their Rivalry was back in the days, when Jaedong called Flash god at ASL and Flash started cryin, I realized ive been watching BW for 13 years and cried too best Rivalry in Esports!
The F4 of SCBW/rising to incredible heights of popularity in esports. WCG is a classic too, missed those times. Was only able to watch BW from Arirang, and also with the help of SCBW replays which are low file sizes haha. The Korean casting though is unique in hype haha, bit funny sometimes but indeed adds flavor to the match. Whenever Flash and Jaedong battles, its quite painful to see a stomp on either side. Very close wins are the best, no sweep etc haha Flash eye twitching also was memorable haha, been like a meme that its his power up time.
People dont understand how huge of a deal was flash in his prime. He broke the game so much that for a time it seemed boring(if it werent for JD or effort flash woulda have like 15 tittles both OSl and msl by now). I remember for a time zergs dominating terran right and left, except for flash which seemed to understand the meta better than everybody else eliminating all zergs(at that time he started using an aggressive style to punish fast 3rd bases to starve zergs), in what it was considered his weakest matchup. 70% winrate in a matchup in sc is something very rare, let alone having that winrate in ALL matchups.
I don't think most people understand how much more favored you are when your winrate is just a little over 50%. I think it's jaw-dropping that Flash was at 70% against other PROS in ALL matchups.
@@asmylia9880Late reply, but the 6 dragons were the 6 dominant protosses that were crazy good especially in 2008. Bisu, Stork, Best, Jangbi, Free and Kal.
Giving flash that victory still seems unfair in hindsight, not only because either player of this caliber could win, but also because terran is usually gonna be behind in number of bases by at least 1.
i fucking love this channel. how did i only find out about it just now? i guess its not a bad thing. now its more like netflix and less like a tv show :D
I was barely sentient during this era. For league of legends bros, flash vs jaedong was 5x what SKT vs Samsung was and I'm not even remotely exaggerating
BroodWar was never in decline until Blizzard started messing with it. FvJD was great sure, but before that there was PLENTY of hype for every star league and proleague. Which is part of the reason why even still ASL is going strong despite the fact that Blizzard attempted to kill BW during SC2's release by trying to force the pros into SC2.
Serral might be better than Jaedong but he is never able to play as entertaining as the Tyrant! This is why I am a fan of JD.Starcraft was never the same after he left.
As a fan of Jaedong, I'd say although other people may consider them as rivial, Flash actually dominated and “destroyed” BW after the heater incident. JD had a lower chance against Flash, and Flash became the god. Cuz I'm a fan of JD it was so sad to watch JD lose most of time. In Shanghai OSL final, JD did 5 pool twice but both failed, and one of them was perfectly defended by Flash without a single death of SCV. By still, who else standed a chance against Flash except Effort? Ofc not other race users cuz T OP. And TvT is the mirror match that is hardest for an underdog to win. I love the era of Flash, JD, Bisu and Stork. They raised BW to a further new level which remained the highest peak. During the last days of OSL and SPL, I feel the most shining players were Jangbi, Fantasy, Soulkey, Zero. But only Jangbi looks brutal and better, others just maintained competitive enough during the time BW pro scene got a series of troubles...
Actually Flash himself has said that they continued to learn even more about starcraft bw and develop new strats. That he could definitely beat his younger self if they were to play today just because of how much more they've mastered the game. Effort had some damn crisp gameplay back in the day.
Could have done with a bit more explanation of what's actually going on in the game. Ehan (or something) timing? Ingenious cheese? Kind of bewildering to someone like me.
Timing attacks iirc refer to strikes just as you get a power spike due to some upgrade you just finished. If you're just a little bit faster, you are able to suddenly do more damage than the opponent can take. A cheese is referring to an all in attack in the early game, relying on total surprise to try to overwhelm a base not expected to need to defend that heavily in the first few min of the game. If the cheese fails, either due to the cheese being spotted early enough, or a perfect defense, it is usually an instant loss because their economy was rendered non existent, so far behind that no army you can build will be fast enough to defend anything else coming in.
5:46 Not super cool to give credit to the original production but not the commentary. That's from the Violetak account, a dual commentary between Moletrap and Klazart
Flash was the clear number one. Jaedong just happened to be the clear #2 at the time. But in most of their head-to-head matchups, Flash dominated Jaedong
in the opinions of people I've heard speak on the matter, jaedong is the best zerg of all time (pertaining to only BW obviously), not the greatest. An important distinction I think. I agree with this, he was the best not the greatest.
So much hyperbole with theScore trying to create an epic rivalry narrative. You can't call it a great rivalry when Flash just stomped Jaedong for an entire year. Flash's GOAT career is the real story. His other matchups often produced more entertaining series too.
I love how they pump out content for people my age, the gaming history. This is stuff that I remember fondly, the KeSpa era was something great, the forerunner of modern esports. Broodwar was one of the greatest and most difficult games of all time, and Jaedong and Flash are living legends, the gosu elite, true bonjwas.
Not only Jae and Flash, but also Bisu and Stork as well. It wasn't called the era of TaekBangLeeSsang for no reason...
old good days
I'm a late sc2 player and did my history catch up when I started playing (2014) and I love flash, Flash is my God
Broodwar still is one of the greatest and most difficult games of all time :D
@@Oblivionm24 here here!
To understand how important these two people are: when the korean olympic soccer team needed a pep talk, the olympic team sent Flash to motivate them..
I heard it was their favourite progamers, didn't know it was Flash :O
Hey do you have a source for this story? I've heard it for years but I can't find anything on google.
This is unfortunately not true.
@@faolensmith8814 yeah it doesn't really make sense. What's he gonna tell them, zerg rush the opponents goal? lol.
Lol!
Jaedong didn't just earn the nickname "The Zerg Tyrant"
he's the embodiment of it
his aggressive plays are some of the most insane maneuver I've ever seen in SC Competitive, and they often paid off too
Jaedong is also the person that literally developed almost everything that is the staple of Zerg play in BW. He proved ZvP was Zerg favored after the topple of Savior and basically was like "no, Bisu is not the death of Zerg". He literally defined and showed how ZvZ is done, why there is a rock paper scissors between 9 pool, 12 pool, and 12 hatch, the strengths and weaknesses of each vs the other, as well as how to play both sides to victory. And he was the example of how to play against Terran.
While Savior is a bonjwa because he revolutionized and revitalized Zerg to prove that Terran was not unbeatable, even at a time when maps were so heavily T favored and Z disfavored, at a time when the only bonjwas were terran players (and 4 out of 5 bonjwas are Terran), when Terran was considered broken (even though nowadays they still kinda are), Savior still struggled in other matchups, but Jaedong literally was the person you studied for every matchup and the person every Zerg attempted to model their style from, because he was the epitome and example of what Zerg could do.
I also like what they said in this video, without Jaedong there may be no Flash as we know, and vice versa there might not be the Jaedong that we know. The thing about Flash is the playstyle he does is literally the perfect optimized style of Terran, knowing exactly what every build could be doing at any moment and doing just enough to stay slightly ahead or create an advantage against any race. But Flash would not have been able to make that playstyle without the players that existed at the time, like Bisu and Jaedong and Stork, the rest of the taekbangleesang.
While Jaedong had more titles and everything, I always though Effort was even more aggressive.
I hope JD can overcome his last bad results and become ASL or KSL champion before join the military
More like the greatest esports rivalry
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@@willn8664 Actually Daigo and Justin Wong aren't the best in the same games (Daigo with Street Fighter and JWong with MvC) so they can't be described as a rivalry
@@jijmotorp3079 they can be
More like the greatest rivalry
Shoutout to Moletrap, NuketheStars, Cholera and Klazart for bringing English commentary of these amazing matches to youtube back in the day
Indeed man. Those were the fucking days
Diggity
Ranshin
Rise
Didn't knew about this rivalry, but the tears after Jaedong refered to him as "God"... that is pure
Man, I really enjoyed this video. I'm one of the "old" gamers and started playing BW when I was about 9 years old. I still play sc2 to this day. I remember watching GOMTV streams at 3 or 4 in the morning. Starcraft and Starcraft 2 are definitely very special to me and I have countless good memories with the game.
Don’t forget Day[9] and justin tv
Bro starcraft was the very first game I have ever played on pc at the age of 7! My age is 30 and over the 23 years I only got a pc just to starcraft! I will learn my kids how to play starcraft!
Kids these day will never understand how big Flash VS Jaedong back was in the day.They are literally 2 gods that was born to kill each other. Other players are just pepble for their paving ways to meet each other. It's like Ronaldo vs Messi of Esport, they can't be compared to anybody else, just themselves
dead game
@@ALLAHwithdaughterALLAT calm down there 40apm kid
When I was 8 or 9 I used to watch vods of a lot of the pro league, osl, and msl matches with my older brother through people posting them on UA-cam, torrents, etc. Both of us loved playing broodwar and we used to love watching pros like bisu, nada, flash, and jaedong. The flash vs jaedong matches were especially entertaining to watch because it was competitive and they kept pushing each other to their limits . Even though I didn’t understand everything they were doing I still enjoyed it. Eventually, I moved on to sc2 and enjoyed it but not as much as broodwar. I’m 18 now but I still reminisce about those days when talking to my brother about video games.
Starcraft was the shit back then. Good times.
Lim yo hwan terran emperor.. before them.
This rivalry has to be the greatest esports rivalry of all time, and exploded interest during a time when the Internet was quickly growing.
Honestly, extraordinarily similar to Magic & Bird in the NBA, and how they brought basketball to a new level when color TVs were becoming more accessible to average consumers.
Only the true BW OG players will remember watching that final live when the power cut out.
Yeah I remember was so angry that day, i have skipped going to class to see it, and then this happens, and then flash loses XD.
Yeah I was still in college and remember staying late to watch this before finals. Was so angry after that happened.
LOL the infamous air-conditioner incident.
Thank you so much for the Starcraft content, this Chanel truly understands how important Starcraft is/has been for esports and I really really appreciate it as a StarCraft diehard
Every once and a while i come back and rewatch this and it gives me goosebumps every time. Bisu was my all time favorite pro player.
This channel finally gave StarCraft some love. Keep it up!
Always giving me chills every time i watch your videos. Keep up the good work
Never regretted playing Brood war for a second. So many good memories
Same.
Hi
My childhood
although Stork was my favorite player back then, i cannot deny the fact that jaedong made the game really fun to watch. i watch jaedong vs flash matches like its korea vs japan in soccer
Flash is the Michael Jordan of Esports.
I played broodwar occasionally since my highschool days way back in 2001. Now, I play mostly starcraft 2, plat 1 on the ladder. I'm glad you brought attention to the sc2 community. For the 2019 SEA games, sc2 will be the one ESPORTS pc games together with dota2. Much love, from Philippines! :)
Peenoise! FTW
Autumnwillow pa representative natin nun sa WCS, anyways goodluck dre.
@VeroMithril not really. Especially now since serral just stomped a 20 year long reign of Korean/Asian. The era of sc2 has just begun.
@VeroMithril uhh? Sc2 esports still depends on both koreans and western players. Besides the fact that the players do purchase the prize pool and not blizzard anymore. In fact sc2 became independent from blizzard long ago to the point where it doesn't even matter if they take dev's from sc2 because the competitive scene is able to hold their head above water on their own.
Hayaan niyo yang si veromithril. Hindi kasi naglalaro ng sc2 kaya insecure lang. Hindi katulad ng hots, ibang klaseng legacy ang na-contribute ng sc at sc2 kaya hindi yan basta basta bibitawan ng blizzard. Sabi nga nila pig at beastyqt malakas parin ang scene ng sc2 tapos may mga weekly tournaments pa sila wardi at yung ominoleague ni crank
Its 2023 and I still miss JD gameplay. I wish I could go back in time.
AAAAAHHH BROOODWAR
Yesssssssssssssssss
Thank you guys. Thaaaaaaaaaaank you. Such a wonderful esport. So much depth. Really appreciate all the love it gets.
Great summary, I watch it every 6 months or so when I get back into spectating competative gaming (even if it's not star craft).
How about yellow and boxer rivalry
that's what i was confused about. He says FvJ paved the way for esports, meanwhile I'm sitting there like... did Boxer Yellow do nothing for Brood War? How about Nal-Ra Savior? Reach oov?
@@KTFlaSh96 lets not mention savior. he literally ruined the league by matchfixing
Yellow and boxer paved the way of just Starcraft esports. Heck the term esports probably didn’t exist in their era. They are Important on their own rights，but what truly made the term “esports” a worldwide and not just a South Korea thing was Flash and Jaedong’s unbelievable rivalry.
@@jack90054 yea boxer-yellow is like pele-maradona and flash-jaedong is like messi-ronaldo
@@jgs4934 why pele-maradona, they arent in the same generation :/
I miss those days playing with my older brother Bloodwar :) It was awesome
This was the first esport I watched!!! I was young and in awe of this competition.
Those two were original clasico of Esports.
More broodwar content please. There is so much rich history of the birth of eSports.
2:17 yeah thats still my all time favorite moment
props on using revolutionary in conjunction with bisu
It was like watching Manstein VS Zhukov in realtime. So many strategies & tactics.
The finals osl 2011 and 2012 were epic . Jangbi vs Fantasy.
Not only rivalry, back in December of 2015 in Shanghai SC 2 Legacy of the Void Invitational, when they playing the Archon mode together, they dominated everyone else (although there were rarely good players in that tournament 'Snute, Liwbow, Flash, Jaedong, McSed, Mayuki, F91, etc.'), I was so blessed to get both of their signatures.
4:55 Flash goes "toes to toes" with toes in the background... well played theScore
Loved watching these games back in the day. Hadn't played for a while before getting hooked on the Korean pro scene. So much nostalgia
GOD I love sc/bw
I've never played this shit mainly cause im bad at it but I was good enough to play roc/tft but boy I got to be honest sc/bw shaped the esports forever
this legit made me tear up
Pls do more Starcraft, something about Serral would be great :P
Definitely, but Serral's dominance isn't over yet
@@Leterren It's only just begun.
@@Leterren hes not dominating anything, hes overrated joke
@@wasdwasdedsf You were saying? What more does he have to prove to you at this point? He beat all the WCS foes last year, you guys called him a joke; so they pitted him with Koreans in GSL vs the World, he won that tournament too, beating all the best Koreans at the time in their perspective races, and 3-0d the zerg, 1-0d Maru, and 4-3d stats. And when you thought that wasn't enough but one tournament, and one game with Maru; he ended up coming back, winning some WCS - and then beat the Koreans against, at Blizzcon, giving us some of the best ZvZ I have ever seen (look at that match vs Rogue at blizzcon 2018, omfg, best ZvZ ever, it was intense, coming down with fighting for scraps as map mined out, and still close).
He took a little break, came back for WCS winter this year, did decent, and lost 2 WCS events - but both to Reynor, the second best ZvZ person on the planet. But he has won more, got his own WCS titles... And you guys still doubt him...
So he just won GSL vs the World second year in row, crushing everyone with ease this time, the best Koreans again, could not even make him bleed in that tournament. Nor could any of the foreigners for that matter.
And you know that ZvZ nemesis he had? Oh, right after the GSL vs the World in the current WCS summer, he just 4-0d him in the finals in some very lopsided games.
So I ask you: How the fuck do you find Serral overrated?
Who are you even comparing him to when you say overrated? Who do you think you can pit him against in SC2 where you think he wouldn't win more often than not? Maru? No, he wouldn't beat Serral even 40% of the time; especially on account of Serral's latent ZvT strength after figuring out the nuke strat early in the year (with a now rather high win rate vs T in the last couple months or so). Reynor? After last tournament, and with the constantly different results both of them post vs overall race competition of high caliber, it is clear. No, Serral is just better, not slightly. Rogue, soO, Stats or Neeb? No, he would be favored against them as well.
You are saying he isn't dominating anything, but you are just denying big result after big result, simply because you do not like him.
@@adrianbundy3249 "you guys called him a joke;" who called him a joke?
"but both to Reynor, the second best ZvZ person on the planet."
you cant be this incompetent
" Maru? No, he wouldn't beat Serral even 40% of the time;"
lol
hes overrated because hes hyped up as a god in a far lower skill game than SC1, in a dead game where semiserious washed up old koreans are the Cream of the crop. when sc1 was at the peak you would have 30 times more people trying to be proffesional, playing for professional teams, practicing more ffeciently and beyond fulltime, 12+ hours a day.
fucking ancient 28-30year olds in zest, Classic, stats, soo would never have a chance in hell to be competetive with the top. for basically the whole duration of the game there werent a single person 25 and over who were top10 in the World.
sc2 is a fraud dead game and thats why serral is disgustingly overrated. the guy didnt even become like top100 in the World until he was 19. flash, bisu and jaedong were ontop of the World in a game requiring more skill and had infinitely more competition at 15-17. there hasnt ever been a single person in sc1s history whos randomly arrived from nowhere at 19 and became noteable to any degree.
I still remember when I was just a little kid and my uncle and his buddies were watching those two play, arguing who's gonna win this time.
I swear you will never see anything like that. Epic.
Would love some Warcraft 3 content! You guys hardly touch that game... if I missed one someone reply to this and give me a link! I have many many fond memories of waking up early on sunday morning's to watch the Zotac cup with some friends. One of the best games of all-time! And great timing with the remake coming up!
This!
Moletrap and Klazart had some epic commentary in these matchups. Game 3 was pretty amazing despite the computers crashing and Jaedong getting the win.
this gave me nerd chills..
Nice to hear some voices from VioleTak. 5:47 - 6:52. Moletrap and someone else. = D
I think that is Klazart or Cholera
Haha the nostalgia.
the bisu-build, the 6 dragons.. the rise of flash and his insane dominance... man, SC was truely amazing
Long live the Tyrant. Long live God. No player in esports history even comes close.
but daigo tho
Rapha in quake?
...and he just won ASL as random.
...just lost to Soma in semis though. One of his Terran picks even got dismantled hard.
Damn, hearing the names Bisu, Jeadong, and Flash brings back memories. They were just absolute monsters. Bisu underrated imo
true
Bisu change the TvZ matchup forever, after his victory vs Saviour "with the DT-Corsair combo"
the matchup swing ~20% to Protoss
They're all still playing in the ASL :)
Flash is in the military, he'll be out soon. Jaedong just got back. Bisu and Stork play as well.
Man, I've always been awful at RTS games but this video really made me want to play some Starcraft again.
This will get eaten up in the comments but like everyone said, you need heroes in any competitive scene, and that was Jaedong and flash. I religiously followed the BW scene back in the day. These two monsters literally stood at the top throughout all the meta changes. Even during the height of other players such as stork fantasy and other notable players, it was Jaedong and flash that brought excitement to everyone’s eyes.
Jaedong is known as the tyrant and legend killer for a reason. Absolutely monster that brought the team lecaf back into a title winning worthy team.
Flash came in at a time where he was seen as second best rookie, behind by.baby but he proved everyone wrong. Fucking cheesed Bisu during his height out of the osl, and after people thinking that was a fluke, became known as the ultimate weapon for his ability to consistently win ace matches and do reverse sweeps. KT magicns were at a time when their team of legendary players such as teach, nal ra, yellow and chojja became old. Flash brought kt into absolute glory earning them many titles they had never achieved.
Both absolute monsters. I follow competitive e sports scene and nothing in terms of quality compared to the rivalry of these two. The most historic rivalry that brought e sports to where it is now is of course boxer vs yellow. This rivalry is so historic, which started the entire e sports scene and laid the foundation of competitive gaming, that you said boxers name to any korean and they know who he is.
Always loved Jaedong, glad to see some attention being brought to him.
Even though their Rivalry was back in the days, when Jaedong called Flash god at ASL and Flash started cryin, I realized ive been watching BW for 13 years and cried too best Rivalry in Esports!
great vod :)
Took you a while to do a piece on the biggest esport to have existed with the two objectively greatest gamers that has ever took up a keyboard.
The F4 of SCBW/rising to incredible heights of popularity in esports.
WCG is a classic too, missed those times.
Was only able to watch BW from Arirang, and also with the help of SCBW replays which are low file sizes haha.
The Korean casting though is unique in hype haha, bit funny sometimes but indeed adds flavor to the match.
Whenever Flash and Jaedong battles, its quite painful to see a stomp on either side. Very close wins are the best, no sweep etc haha
Flash eye twitching also was memorable haha, been like a meme that its his power up time.
I wish that I could've seen that.
8:02 i cried
People dont understand how huge of a deal was flash in his prime. He broke the game so much that for a time it seemed boring(if it werent for JD or effort flash woulda have like 15 tittles both OSl and msl by now). I remember for a time zergs dominating terran right and left, except for flash which seemed to understand the meta better than everybody else eliminating all zergs(at that time he started using an aggressive style to punish fast 3rd bases to starve zergs), in what it was considered his weakest matchup. 70% winrate in a matchup in sc is something very rare, let alone having that winrate in ALL matchups.
I don't think most people understand how much more favored you are when your winrate is just a little over 50%. I think it's jaw-dropping that Flash was at 70% against other PROS in ALL matchups.
Great video
Biggest rivalry in e-sport history ! Flash basically the greatest in any game any time, his legacy is the biggest ever
I'm here because of theScore esports latest video "Is Faker The Esports GOAT?"
They should make a Starcraft Anime that chronicles their battles between Flash and Jaedong Terran vs Zerg.
Wew this brings back memories
what about NC_Yellow? Boxer Vs Yellow was before the best rivalry
my childhood right here
el clasico
such a legendary time
Thanks for the info :)
boxer vs yellow is the greatest rivalry in starcraft
the golden days
Wow Klazart throwback!!
It is a LEGEND GAME BROOD WAR. IT is like chess but with brood
Do the dragons of the protoss next.
If you mean by that Bisu and Stork, I totally agree.
My wife to hire!
@@asmylia9880Late reply, but the 6 dragons were the 6 dominant protosses that were crazy good especially in 2008. Bisu, Stork, Best, Jangbi, Free and Kal.
hope you guys do a series covering WC3 legends like, Grubby, Moon, Sky, etc, when Reforged comes out!
This!
Jaedong has put on some weight.
MORE STARCRAFT PLEASE
jaedong was above all but flash was even better
brood war wanna of the most hype e sports of all time
The only thing that could have made this rivalry more perfect is if Jaedong was on SKT.
does anyone remember hyuk(z, 5%winrate) vs Jaedong(z,95%winrate)? That game was funny as hell
Giving flash that victory still seems unfair in hindsight, not only because either player of this caliber could win, but also because terran is usually gonna be behind in number of bases by at least 1.
i fucking love this channel. how did i only find out about it just now? i guess its not a bad thing. now its more like netflix and less like a tv show :D
Here just to remind myself to build a depot all the time and secure the godamn bunker.
I was barely sentient during this era.
For league of legends bros, flash vs jaedong was 5x what SKT vs Samsung was and I'm not even remotely exaggerating
You need to do an episode on Boxer
BroodWar was never in decline until Blizzard started messing with it. FvJD was great sure, but before that there was PLENTY of hype for every star league and proleague. Which is part of the reason why even still ASL is going strong despite the fact that Blizzard attempted to kill BW during SC2's release by trying to force the pros into SC2.
that KeSPA ref tho
Serral might be better than Jaedong but he is never able to play as entertaining as the Tyrant! This is why I am a fan of JD.Starcraft was never the same after he left.
As a fan of Jaedong, I'd say although other people may consider them as rivial, Flash actually dominated and “destroyed” BW after the heater incident. JD had a lower chance against Flash, and Flash became the god. Cuz I'm a fan of JD it was so sad to watch JD lose most of time. In Shanghai OSL final, JD did 5 pool twice but both failed, and one of them was perfectly defended by Flash without a single death of SCV.
By still, who else standed a chance against Flash except Effort? Ofc not other race users cuz T OP. And TvT is the mirror match that is hardest for an underdog to win.
I love the era of Flash, JD, Bisu and Stork. They raised BW to a further new level which remained the highest peak. During the last days of OSL and SPL, I feel the most shining players were Jangbi, Fantasy, Soulkey, Zero. But only Jangbi looks brutal and better, others just maintained competitive enough during the time BW pro scene got a series of troubles...
Actually Flash himself has said that they continued to learn even more about starcraft bw and develop new strats. That he could definitely beat his younger self if they were to play today just because of how much more they've mastered the game. Effort had some damn crisp gameplay back in the day.
I thought Jaedong is trying to get back to playing competitive SC2?!
6:05 there is NO reason for that kespa referee to be that good looking, what the fuck
Could have done with a bit more explanation of what's actually going on in the game. Ehan (or something) timing? Ingenious cheese? Kind of bewildering to someone like me.
Timing attacks iirc refer to strikes just as you get a power spike due to some upgrade you just finished. If you're just a little bit faster, you are able to suddenly do more damage than the opponent can take.
A cheese is referring to an all in attack in the early game, relying on total surprise to try to overwhelm a base not expected to need to defend that heavily in the first few min of the game. If the cheese fails, either due to the cheese being spotted early enough, or a perfect defense, it is usually an instant loss because their economy was rendered non existent, so far behind that no army you can build will be fast enough to defend anything else coming in.
Trying to make 14 CC finally paid off.
5:46
Not super cool to give credit to the original production but not the commentary. That's from the Violetak account, a dual commentary between Moletrap and Klazart
Oh shit, that clip of incontrol in the background... rip big man!!
Flash was the clear number one. Jaedong just happened to be the clear #2 at the time. But in most of their head-to-head matchups, Flash dominated Jaedong
Yeah, right... thats why their score is 24-25... And 3-3 in bo5.
facepalm
JD the true Legend XD
in the opinions of people I've heard speak on the matter, jaedong is the best zerg of all time (pertaining to only BW obviously), not the greatest. An important distinction I think. I agree with this, he was the best not the greatest.
damn i miss bw english youtube casters so much
You guys keep pumping out videos slow down
Greatest esports rivalry*
So much hyperbole with theScore trying to create an epic rivalry narrative. You can't call it a great rivalry when Flash just stomped Jaedong for an entire year. Flash's GOAT career is the real story. His other matchups often produced more entertaining series too.