This is a great scenario, but the USSR would have a lot of problems invading Japan. Especially considering that most of their competent officers had been purged in the 30s. Also there is a lack of the land lease to the Soviets against Japan. Basically the Soviet invasion would have a lot of problems, imagine a blend between the winter war and Barbarossa in a situation where that Soviet military is invading not just Manchuria and Korea, but also trying to conduct an amphibious and possibly airborne invasion of Japan.
Most senior officers were purged in the 30s, not exactly the most competent (although there were many that were also very competent) the land lease was very helpful irl but tbh it wasn't a decisive factor in any of the Soviet victories as it was mostly logistical material
@@elisraxd1259 Wrong. It was decisive. First, it allowed the Soviets to concentrate on building tanks and other weapons. And second, look at the amount actually delivered. In total, the U.S. deliveries to the USSR through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials (equivalent to $143 billion in 2022):[56] over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[57] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[58] 11,400 aircraft (of which 4,719 were Bell P-39 Airacobras, 3,414 were Douglas A-20 Havocs and 2,397 were Bell P-63 Kingcobras)[59] and 1.75 million tons of food.[Wikipedia] Not to mention the supplies given by Britain. Between June 1941 and May 1945, Britain delivered to the USSR: 7,411 aircraft (>3,000 Hurricanes and >4,000 other aircraft) 27 naval vessels 5,218 tanks (including 1,380 Valentines from Canada) >5,000 anti-tank guns 4,020 ambulances and trucks 323 machinery trucks (mobile vehicle workshops equipped with generators and all the welding and power tools required to perform heavy servicing) 1,212 Universal Carriers and Loyd Carriers (with another 1,348 from Canada) 1,721 motorcycles £1.15bn ($1.55bn) worth of aircraft engines 1,474 radar sets 4,338 radio sets 600 naval radar and sonar sets Hundreds of naval guns 15 million pairs of boots Also Wikipedia. And you can't tell me that 12,000 tanks, 400,000 trucks, and 19,000 aircraft didn;t play a part in military victories.
@@elisraxd1259 youre saying us sending them 100b in equipment as land lease wasnt decisive, lmao. even stalin said they won because of britain was buying them time, usa was in factory mode and ussr sacrificed the blood..
While interesting, I find it highly unlikely that Sweden would buy military gear from Czechoslovakia. Sweden has traditionally bought British and American designs, some for local production. Later, it has been mostly Swedish designs in our armed forces. This scenario was more "What if Sweden decided to import the entirety of the Czechoslovakian military for some reason and then for some reason send them to Finland", and less of "What if Sweden joined the Allies", in my opinion. If Sweden joined the Allies, it would have gone all-in to help Finland with actual Swedish troops, as our public (in real life) demanded - but the government said no.
Sweden bought tanks from Czechoslovakia. They were seized by Germany during the annexation, because they had not yet been delivered, and were given the designation Pz 38. They were then built under license in Sweden under the names Strv m/41 and SAV m/43.
13:14 the exact borderline you drew through the Netherlands is an unrealistic detail. even in our timeline, the dutch managed to hold the Germans off at the ‘afsluitdijk’ , so that the germans could not get onto the northwestern tip of Holland, which is coloured red. Just a little detail I wanted to share, but the overall quality of the video is very high. keep up the good work.
I think the idea of russia giving up all of karelia for a greater buffer around st.petersburg is very unlikely, unless they are truly desperate, but the soviets weren't exactly known for their prowess in amphibious invasions, and pushing across the envisioned border here, between the two lakes, in the terrain of dense forests, bogs and marshes is very unfavorable. The frontline would've remained static for years, until the airforce overwhelmed the nordic alliance... but this is a shame, because this is the kind of border that would discourage future conflict. Geopolitically speaking, it's the "natural" border between the scandinavian peninsula, and russia. I think this region would be a lot more peaceful if the border between russia and finland was between the two lakes today.
Finlands ability to fight in East Karelia would be much better than the Soviets', with ski-mounted troops in a terrain similar to Finland itself. Also this is the absolutely worst time period for the Soviet army, soon after Stalins purges and with a politically dictated organization that was simply catastrophic. With a serious western commitment the war might be too fast for the Red Army to reform before losing Leningrad, only getting it back in the peace. In this timeline and after the division of Poland, the west would consider Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia to be allies and communism and nazism just variations on the same theme, so there is no reason to show any consideration to the Soviets once their armies are revealed to be dysfunctional. In three years of peace or one year of war Stalin would have restored the Red Army, but by then the war is over. As an aside, In our timeline I think that if the Soviets had not been shown the error of their ways in the Finnish Winter War, they would not have reformed their army when Germany invaded and they might have lost the war in a year. This makes any alt history touching on Finland in WWII very explosive.
I’m not sure the Soviets could’ve actually invaded Japan. In this situation, the Japanese navy is still fully intact because they never fight the Americans, and they’re still trading with the US since they never got embargoed cause they didn’t invade French Indochina. Given what the USSR gets in Europe, I’m very confident the support for Japan against the Soviets would’ve been considerable. The USSR probably takes Manchuria but I’d be willing to bet they don’t even invade Korea, much less attack the Japanese home islands. East Asia would be very weird since you’d have the Japanese and Chinese both as great powers and absolutely despising each other while both being mutually terrified of communism and both supported by the western powers as bulwarks against the spread of communism.
@@rewriting-historycould be a good alternative history if France somehow gained Sardinia instead of Corsica.😉 Great video mate, I’m loving all these uploads.👊 The Turkey being allied or axis in WW2 was 🔥
im also a swede, i honestly prefer the sweden i live in now over this. The fact that we're not patriotic and anti-communist like this is one of the best parts of sweden. Leftism, time and time again has been the thing making sweden such a haven. Our publc sector is one of the best in the entire world and the socialists and social democrats are the main reason for this. They obviously arent withouth their flaws, failing to incoroporate swedish culture into their improvements to swedish society, failing to properly integrate immigrants into swedish society, etc. but still. Not to mention the fact that this Sweden is a police state, most likely with a huge nationalism problem
Ah, as a Swede I think the topic of this video was interesting, all Swedes for the last almost 80 years have asked themselves what it would have been like if we where in the war. Although your scenario is very detailed and I think you did a great job, but there are a few things I must point at. You base the scenario entirely on hindsight that Sweden somehow knows war will break out, while the others doesn't. Regardless of which leader would be in charge, in 1936 Swedish politicians, as the rest of Europe, would see a war as avoidable. We had our pants down just as much as Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and so on. Sweden in the 1930's was more fearful of the communists and the Soviet Union than nazi Germany and would think that if a war broke out, Germany wouldn't have any interest in the Nordic countries. But we would expect Finland to fall in 1939, and the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact could make us belive we could be attacked from two sides. This could have led to Sweden forming a defencive pact with Norway, because if one of us falls, the other is in an extremely precarious situation. This would mean we would be attacked in 1940, and with 1+ year of mobilizing than in our timeline, we would stand a better chance, but would still not be able to resist. We could threaten to destroy our Iron ore deposits, and Germany could threaten to bomb for example Gothenburg to pieces.
Interestingly Sweden was very close to joining the war near the end. The Swedes had trained both Danish and Norwegian ex-soldiers as the "Norwegian police troops" and the "Danish brigade". The Swedish approved a plan called rädda danmark (Save denmark) on the 4th of may which involved the Danish brigade and Swedish troops to land in northern Denmark and kick the germans out. Around 60 000 men were to be involved on the Swedish side. The plan was set for the 18th of may but the war ended before the plan could start.
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Why is Churchill at Stockholm? Chamberlain was ousted because of Allied failures in Poland and Norway. With the Allies doing well, I doubt he would have been voted out.
This is a really good video with an fascinating scenario but I dont understand why after the fall of the USSR Romania didnt keeped Bassarabia and North Bucovina or why the USSR didnt split East Prussia with Lithuania.
It's too bad for the germans they were so ideologically motivated. Aside from a large minority in sweden and other nordics, most people did not sympathize with the nazi's, however they did sympathize very much with the german people, and the british and their allies were not very well liked after them being directly responsible to starving thousands of people in scandinavia, in the first world war, due to a naval blockade. It is not unlikely that sweden and the other nordic countries would've joined a nationalistic germany that wasn't ruled by nazis.
There are archices open from british and us intelligence of the time. They state without reservation that sweden is a country of anglofiles, including the royal family. Books, music, plays, movies, english was dominating. The german sentiment had been larger during ww1 and wasn't gone but it was severly lesser than propaganda and myths have made it out to be.
The video is great, tho I'd change a few things with the scenario itself, mostly with the peace deal after the war: 1. Sweden would probably make some kind of an arrangement with Finland regarding the Åland islands, which had an almost fully Swedish population despite belonging to Finland (maybe Finland would even give them to Sweden after the Winter War as compensation for the support they got from Sweden) 2. Poland would most likely still get at least all of Silesia (tho maybe they'd give Kłodzko to Czechoslovakia, since it wasn't even part of the historical Silesia region, rather a part of Bohemia proper), western Wielkopolska (with cities like Piła, Wałcz and Międzyrzecz) and parts of East Prussia which bordered Poland and weren't important enough for the USSR to care about them that much (including the Pomezania/Powiśle region, the city of Elbląg/Elbing, and bordering parts of Mazuria) and maybe also some parts of german Pomerania (with cities like Lębork, Bytów and Słupsk/Stolp) as compensation for the eastern lands they lost to the Soviets despite being on the winning side + these lands were, and to this day are, inhabited by Slavic nations like Silesians, Kashubians, and Mazurians so it wouldn't even mean the deportations of Germans being as huge as in OTL 3. On the flipside, Poland would probably still not get all of its pre-WW2 lands back after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but some agreements would be made with Belarus and Ukraine about the territories with large Polish populations (with cities like Lwów/Lviv, Grodno/Hrodna, or Brześć/Brest), so the Polish border would still be more to the East than in OTL 4. East Prussia would definitely not be given back to the Weimar Republic, it would either be an independent state, a Russian base similar to Kaliningrad in OTL, or be split between Poland and Lithuania 5. I doubt that the French would be allowed to completely annex Western Rhineland after the war. They definitely would be allowed to take the Saarland, maybe also parts of South-West Rhineland (with cities like Trier and Koblenz) + some small bits of land would be also given to Belgium and Luxembourg, but the rest would most likely be just occupied for some time and then returned to the Weimar Republic 6. The Netherlands would probably also annex East Frisia from Germany to reunite the Frisian people, most of whom were and are living in the Netherlands 7. This one is probably just a map error at the end, but since Romania never gave up Besarabia and North Bucovina to the USSR, it would stay Romanian instead of being split between Ukraine and Moldova after the collapse of the USSR
Denmark and Sweden wouldnt want those territories, denmarm might want really small border changes but mostly they would both want money and security guarantees
Not sure if you did one like this, but could you do one when czechoslovakia refuses the munich agreement and fights alone? Their army was smaller, however more experienced and with strong border fortifications. And also defending. Could they possibly defend themselves and achieve a pece deal? Or would the german citizen perhaps revolt upon seeing their leader fail so hard at invading a nation for no reason, or maybe, with some help with czech spies too ;) . Would be very interesting.
First part: Czechoslovakia giving sweeden stuff Second part: Czechoslovakia Fighting ussr ( again) Peace: not great but, as a czech, i can live with that
I know you like to make your scenarios more unrealistic to make them more interesting, but I'd just like to mention that Joseph Stalin actually wanted good relations with the leader of China and probably would have given Manchuria back and maybe even give them Korea.
There was a Soviet-Japan war in 1939 before the start of WWII that Soviet won decisively. Japan had useless tanks, they could not win a land war against Soviet. But Soviet had very little fleet power, so could never win a sea war against Japan.
It was very close that Sweden joined Finland. It was the premade plan of the army HQ and they even completed an expeditionary division in Norrtälje. The cabinet was unaware and stopped it as they found out. Apparently, handover of power in 1936 had not included defense plans. Imagine the entire army thinking they have a go and the government doesn't know it'seven on the table. That could have been a story. Some lesser known details that can be interesting to know. Much of the polish navy spent the war interned in the Swedish lake Mälaren. Had Sweden joined the allies, these assets of course would have joined the fight. Sweden also fought the Soviet navy during 1943 in open hostilities. Germans had been unlawfully using swedish waters, even swedish colors and bribed swedish ships, to avoid soviet subs in the baltic, in its connection with Finland. In february 43, the soviet declared unrestricted warfare in the baltics. They started attacking swedish vessels in international waters between Swedish mainland and Gotland. They even attacked swedish ships in swedish waters from international waters. Hundreds of swedes lost their lives. No numbers exists for soviet losses but after an intense spring the soviets returned to respecting neutrality. About 3000 german soldiers pilots and sailors lost their lives to swedish forces during the war. That's well worth remembering as some seem to think neutrality is just sitting there doing nothing. The fact it didn't come to war is rather incredible but after 41 swedish forces were too strong for anything germany had to spare. It is often debated what rile swedish iron played both in the war but also keeping sweden out of it. One must however remember sweden was completely dependent on german coal and other goods. Any scenario with sweden willingly joining the allies must explain where sweden would then get its electricity and how it would fight with otherwise efficiently zero industry.
The most important consequence would be that Orr, in Joseph Heller's novel Catch 22, would not spend th whole book doing mystrious, stupid seeming things that turn out to be preparation for going AWOL to neutral Sweden.
playing hoi4 as Germany rn and I believe if Switzerland and/or Sweden chose a team they'd choose Germany the war would have had to have been in Germanys favor long enough however or they'd pulled a Turkiye and Brasil being states more likely to join Germany but fought Germany for relations with the winning team
I'm Swedish. No Swedish iron exports to Germany would make quite a large difference. I can't really judge the events in Czechoslovakia and Poland. Similar to the Poles in our timeline, the Checks would be willing to fight against both Germany and the Soviet Union, but would they make a big impact in Finlands Winter War? Regardless, if Sweden is better armed and a decided ally of England and France and France does not have to fear Italy, French and Swedish forces and British Navy could do much of what you credit the Checks with, so Finland could win against the Soviet Union. Swedish-British navy would likely liberate Estonia and maybe more of the Baltic states. If Finland gets so much of Karelia from Russia due to Swedish intervention, I think the Swedes would make Finland give up Swedish-speaking Åland and the Swedish-speaking regions around the Gulf of Bothnia to them. Sweden is much more interested in these areas than in the old Swedish Pomerania. Even so, Finland almost doubles its territory. Finland might also absorb Estonia, which is very close linguistically and culturally. This double-sided Finnish lock on Leningrad's shipping would infuriate the Soviets. If Sweden defends Norway and later liberates Denmark, the old ideals of pan-scandinavianism might resurface, creating strong links and possibly a future union between Sweden, Denmark and Norway. England and France would support this as a way to keep the Soviets in check. Closely allied with Greater Finland, this would actually be a major power. Sweden in itself simply lacks the population to be a major power. You are right in saying Sweden would not be the social democrat utopia Per-Albin Hanson wanted, instead it would be a more authoritarian state similar to Finland of our timeline, more conservative and with larger class divisions. However, over time, I don't think the difference would be that large. Would Stalin attack Japan in this scenario? Perhaps, but he would not be able to take the islands as he would need to keep a sizeable reserve in Europe to guard against the Scandinavian Union and Finland. Perhaps he could take Korea and Manchuria, only to become the enemy of an allied Japan and China. I don't think he'd be that reckless and content himself with minor border adjustments.
"I think the Swedes would make Finland give up Swedish-speaking Åland and the Swedish-speaking regions around the Gulf of Bothnia to them. " I mean, Åland can be fair game as they are not considered as Fennoswedes, but people from Pohjanmaa certainly are. We are multilingual nation, and those Fennoswedes who speak Swedish as their mother tongue are quite Finnish by their ancestry today.
Per Albin Hansson was responsible for the 1920's demolishing of the Swedish defense. He had had a failed army career and hated the officers, blaming them for his failures.
how does basarabia got to the soviets? you dint say anything about soviet ocupation of basarabia, and after the soviet explosion basarabia magicaly gets eaten by ukraine?
If Sweden joined the Allies then Germany would jump at them right after Norway and Denmark. Under German occupation Sweden would then most likely get bombed by both the Soviet union and the Allies, once Barbarossa was pushed back The Soviets would probably "liberate" parts of Sweden and the Allies would do the same. Sweden never officially picked any sides because it would get bombed and attacked no matter what side it would pick. Sweden joins the Commitern with The Soviets would end up in German occupation and being bombed by both Soviets and Allies. Sweden joins the Axis would result in The Soviets attacking it occupying it which would result in Sweden being bombed by the Germans.
There are a difference, Sweden have already mobilized hundreds of thousand men, thinking USSR will defeat Finland and continue and attack Sweden, and the soldier did trained/drilled as the war is coming. Germany do not have the air or sea capacity to invade both Denmark, Norway and Sweden at the same time, historical they barley succeeds in overwhelming the the Norwegian troops who never really had time to mobilize. Now in a scenario then Sweden elect to join the Allies, Sweden have the initiative and can mobilize even more troops, and have maximum redness.
10:46 why would Czechoslovaks join Finland against USSR when Ussr was the only major power that supported them against Germany during Sudetenland crisis
Wasn't German attack on Norway and Denmark executed for protecting trading with Sweden if Sweden in this scenario is not that keen on cooperating with Germans why would they attack scandinavia in the first place?
not bad but you seem in need of a refresher of the winter war as you claim it was over fast ...... 3,5 months of soviets perishing for every meter they advanced when Finland had around 350K soldiers at best to cover a border of 1300-1450 KM ... that is not fast my friend ... that is sluggish progress
@@stijncools9233 i agree, but compared to other wars that lasted decades or even centuries, it wasn't that fast. I was speaking in terms of world standards 😅
@@rewriting-history well I'm Danish and a history nerd so I guess it's a six Sense when someone changes the borders around my home country XD. but it was a brilliant video and I did really enjoy it
I think this scenario, and scenarios like this in general, suffer from one problem in particular. They fail to adjust the actions of parties to take the changes into consideration. Would the Germans have acted as they did with Poland with a stronger guarantee from the West, with Sweden, the source of a great deal of their critical war material aligned against them? Would the Soviet Union have invaded from the east when the Poles were putting up stiff resistance against the Germans? What is the timetable for their invasion? Would they move it up or down? Historically they lagged behind the Germans intentionally, so as to appear that they were not in fact invading the Polish Republic, but protecting their Belarusian and Ukrainian brothers with the collapse of the Polish Republic. Would the Soviet Union have invaded Finland when Stalin knew he was not just fighting a weak, new country on its own but one possessing the former Czech army and the help of Sweden besides, with the potential of British intervention? Stalin likely would not have considered an intervention against the Germans when he was becoming increasingly isolated. Instead, he probably would have stepped up his support for the Germans, with their desperation leading to increasing promises, such as control over Bulgaria, a goal he had attempted historically but was thwarted by German influence. Stalin's hope in this situation would be to create another World War One with trench warfare so that the capitalist powers would destroy one another, enabling him to sweep over the remnants with ease. Why would Stalin declare war on the Japanese? His policy in the region was much the same as in Europe: exhaust both potential adversaries by allowing them to fight each other. He would be much better off by prolonging the war for as long as possible, providing some weapons to the Chinese or help from his divisions if they were faltering too much as he did historically. A Soviet invasion of the Japanese home isles provides an excellent opportunity for detente between America and Japan, or at the least a weakening of the American oil embargo. With such an event, it would be impossible for the Soviet Union to invade the home isles, as they possessed few naval assets in the far east, in comparison to the Japanese at least. All of these decisions as presented in the video and more besides are questionable at best.
What if Crassus conquered Parthia alongside Publius They could have took the route of Trajan, the Armenians hated the Parthians and offered Crassus but Crassus didnt trust the Armenians
Why did you randomly decide that Japan would just roll over and be taken over by the USSR? If anything, Japan would stalemate the USSR with support from the West as while they weren't fans of Japan, they'f be even more hostile against Communism. I could see Japan being forced to give up its ambitions in China and Manchuria by the West in exchange for aid but be allowed to keep Korea and maybe Taiwan but probably not.
Well i have one more word: germany will win after spain joined and croatian empire,turkish joined,Portugal invaded,Switzerland,British annexed ireland if germany invaded sweden as well
For as much as i like it the region of Silesia looks horrendous and North Germany is still too Powerful which could easily be cut off by taking away silesia, as well as Poland is looking ugly for cold war
This question is beyond stupid since the answer is blindingly simplistic. The war between Finland-Sovjet was a warof territory. Had Sweden joined, and lost (as Finland was forced to negotiate peace, the Sovjet army was bigger than the Finnish population...) then Stalin would have demanded land from Sweden and Finland would ceased to exist in the same moment. I always tell Finnish people to thank us Swedish for not joining.
USSR hardly can take land from Sweden without having borders with them, and as for Finland ceasing to exist can happen only if all of Finland is occupied, hardly a possible scenario during the winter war.
@@molotovribbentrop2839 Do you really know how the negotiations went after the winter war? It's more like a capitulation agreement than anything else. The second war, USSR had more soldiers than Finland had population. If Stalin would liked, Finland would be no more and Sweden had lost its Northern parts.
@@andreaseriksson8803 You can want many things, it still doesn't mean you get to have them. Right now Russia wants Ukraine, and they have larger population than them, yet they still don't have it. Occupation of Finland during the Continuation War isn't easy feat and that's specifically why USSR didn't pursue it. Not to even mention the ramification it would have had from the Allied side, as they had already demanded USSR to stop the war with Finland. Conquering Sweden is on the other level, even harder feat to pull.
@@andreaseriksson8803 Well they invaded it, and tried to take its capital city. It's pretty obvious what they are doing, even without watching Russia today. Goes to show that you don't always get what you want. Of course, you might not know about this if only media you consume is the Russian one. After all, people were sentenced to prison in Russia for calling a war what it is; a war.
What on earth were those borders lmao. I feel as if there’s a point where giving up plausibility for entertainment just turns the scenario into a comedy.
Sweden would be much more interested in Åland. Finish and Estonian are similar languages and they have historic relations, so a Finnish Estonia is much more likely.
Good video but soviet wouldn't invade japan since they aren't at war with the west beacuse there was no pearl harbor no oil embargo and japan didn't took inodchina. meaning they still trade with us so they have resouces to fight china and holding ussr wouldn't be much problem japan would moblize in manchuria and korea and defend manchuria. soviet would struggle much since japan have better navy. Also i think allies would give german lands to poland as a compensation for losing so much lands so they get lands they got in our timeline but they gain even more since they lost more probably but without eastern prussia. France and sweden wouldn't annex anything from germany (maybe saarland for france) sweden would get a lot war reperations and if allies didn't want rihenland to be part of germany than they would make it free state under french protection. Mussolini would want more likely whole austria as a puppet state.
This is a great scenario, but the USSR would have a lot of problems invading Japan. Especially considering that most of their competent officers had been purged in the 30s. Also there is a lack of the land lease to the Soviets against Japan. Basically the Soviet invasion would have a lot of problems, imagine a blend between the winter war and Barbarossa in a situation where that Soviet military is invading not just Manchuria and Korea, but also trying to conduct an amphibious and possibly airborne invasion of Japan.
And Japan in this timeline hasn't list it's navy, so the Soviets are no match to the Japanese fleet
Most senior officers were purged in the 30s, not exactly the most competent (although there were many that were also very competent) the land lease was very helpful irl but tbh it wasn't a decisive factor in any of the Soviet victories as it was mostly logistical material
@@elisraxd1259 Wrong. It was decisive. First, it allowed the Soviets to concentrate on building tanks and other weapons. And second, look at the amount actually delivered. In total, the U.S. deliveries to the USSR through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials (equivalent to $143 billion in 2022):[56] over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[57] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[58] 11,400 aircraft (of which 4,719 were Bell P-39 Airacobras, 3,414 were Douglas A-20 Havocs and 2,397 were Bell P-63 Kingcobras)[59] and 1.75 million tons of food.[Wikipedia] Not to mention the supplies given by Britain. Between June 1941 and May 1945, Britain delivered to the USSR:
7,411 aircraft (>3,000 Hurricanes and >4,000 other aircraft)
27 naval vessels
5,218 tanks (including 1,380 Valentines from Canada)
>5,000 anti-tank guns
4,020 ambulances and trucks
323 machinery trucks (mobile vehicle workshops equipped with generators and all the welding and power tools required to perform heavy servicing)
1,212 Universal Carriers and Loyd Carriers (with another 1,348 from Canada)
1,721 motorcycles
£1.15bn ($1.55bn) worth of aircraft engines
1,474 radar sets
4,338 radio sets
600 naval radar and sonar sets
Hundreds of naval guns
15 million pairs of boots
Also Wikipedia. And you can't tell me that 12,000 tanks, 400,000 trucks, and 19,000 aircraft didn;t play a part in military victories.
@@elisraxd1259 youre saying us sending them 100b in equipment as land lease wasnt decisive, lmao. even stalin said they won because of britain was buying them time, usa was in factory mode and ussr sacrificed the blood..
No it was not decisive@@palious13
While interesting, I find it highly unlikely that Sweden would buy military gear from Czechoslovakia. Sweden has traditionally bought British and American designs, some for local production. Later, it has been mostly Swedish designs in our armed forces. This scenario was more "What if Sweden decided to import the entirety of the Czechoslovakian military for some reason and then for some reason send them to Finland", and less of "What if Sweden joined the Allies", in my opinion.
If Sweden joined the Allies, it would have gone all-in to help Finland with actual Swedish troops, as our public (in real life) demanded - but the government said no.
Sweden bought tanks from Czechoslovakia. They were seized by Germany during the annexation, because they had not yet been delivered, and were given the designation Pz 38. They were then built under license in Sweden under the names Strv m/41 and SAV m/43.
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“I’m once again asking for Finland🗿”
13:14 the exact borderline you drew through the Netherlands is an unrealistic detail. even in our timeline, the dutch managed to hold the Germans off at the ‘afsluitdijk’ , so that the germans could not get onto the northwestern tip of Holland, which is coloured red. Just a little detail I wanted to share, but the overall quality of the video is very high. keep up the good work.
I think the idea of russia giving up all of karelia for a greater buffer around st.petersburg is very unlikely, unless they are truly desperate, but the soviets weren't exactly known for their prowess in amphibious invasions, and pushing across the envisioned border here, between the two lakes, in the terrain of dense forests, bogs and marshes is very unfavorable. The frontline would've remained static for years, until the airforce overwhelmed the nordic alliance... but this is a shame, because this is the kind of border that would discourage future conflict. Geopolitically speaking, it's the "natural" border between the scandinavian peninsula, and russia. I think this region would be a lot more peaceful if the border between russia and finland was between the two lakes today.
Finlands ability to fight in East Karelia would be much better than the Soviets', with ski-mounted troops in a terrain similar to Finland itself. Also this is the absolutely worst time period for the Soviet army, soon after Stalins purges and with a politically dictated organization that was simply catastrophic. With a serious western commitment the war might be too fast for the Red Army to reform before losing Leningrad, only getting it back in the peace.
In this timeline and after the division of Poland, the west would consider Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia to be allies and communism and nazism just variations on the same theme, so there is no reason to show any consideration to the Soviets once their armies are revealed to be dysfunctional. In three years of peace or one year of war Stalin would have restored the Red Army, but by then the war is over.
As an aside, In our timeline I think that if the Soviets had not been shown the error of their ways in the Finnish Winter War, they would not have reformed their army when Germany invaded and they might have lost the war in a year. This makes any alt history touching on Finland in WWII very explosive.
I’m not sure the Soviets could’ve actually invaded Japan. In this situation, the Japanese navy is still fully intact because they never fight the Americans, and they’re still trading with the US since they never got embargoed cause they didn’t invade French Indochina. Given what the USSR gets in Europe, I’m very confident the support for Japan against the Soviets would’ve been considerable. The USSR probably takes Manchuria but I’d be willing to bet they don’t even invade Korea, much less attack the Japanese home islands. East Asia would be very weird since you’d have the Japanese and Chinese both as great powers and absolutely despising each other while both being mutually terrified of communism and both supported by the western powers as bulwarks against the spread of communism.
I can't really imagine Hungarian annexation of Slovakia not being considered aggression.
19:24 i love how Romania randomly lost Basarabia
10:04 Italy has corsica instead of Sardinia
OMG HOW DID I MADE THIS MISTAKE... THIS IS INSANE.... :D
@@rewriting-historycould be a good alternative history if France somehow gained Sardinia instead of Corsica.😉
Great video mate, I’m loving all these uploads.👊 The Turkey being allied or axis in WW2 was 🔥
@@rewriting-history19:32 Germany takes back the Sorbs
As a swede this is a really intresting video idea, keep up the good content king 🍷🗿
Glad you're interested! Will do more!
Yes
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@rewriting-history Could you make a scenario where Russian empire won ww1 and there is a second world war between Russia and Britain?
im also a swede, i honestly prefer the sweden i live in now over this. The fact that we're not patriotic and anti-communist like this is one of the best parts of sweden. Leftism, time and time again has been the thing making sweden such a haven. Our publc sector is one of the best in the entire world and the socialists and social democrats are the main reason for this. They obviously arent withouth their flaws, failing to incoroporate swedish culture into their improvements to swedish society, failing to properly integrate immigrants into swedish society, etc. but still. Not to mention the fact that this Sweden is a police state, most likely with a huge nationalism problem
Love your content! Can't wait 😊😊😊😊
Ah, as a Swede I think the topic of this video was interesting, all Swedes for the last almost 80 years have asked themselves what it would have been like if we where in the war.
Although your scenario is very detailed and I think you did a great job, but there are a few things I must point at.
You base the scenario entirely on hindsight that Sweden somehow knows war will break out, while the others doesn't.
Regardless of which leader would be in charge, in 1936 Swedish politicians, as the rest of Europe, would see a war as avoidable. We had our pants down just as much as Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and so on.
Sweden in the 1930's was more fearful of the communists and the Soviet Union than nazi Germany and would think that if a war broke out, Germany wouldn't have any interest in the Nordic countries.
But we would expect Finland to fall in 1939, and the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact could make us belive we could be attacked from two sides.
This could have led to Sweden forming a defencive pact with Norway, because if one of us falls, the other is in an extremely precarious situation.
This would mean we would be attacked in 1940, and with 1+ year of mobilizing than in our timeline, we would stand a better chance, but would still not be able to resist.
We could threaten to destroy our Iron ore deposits, and Germany could threaten to bomb for example Gothenburg to pieces.
Interestingly Sweden was very close to joining the war near the end. The Swedes had trained both Danish and Norwegian ex-soldiers as the "Norwegian police troops" and the "Danish brigade". The Swedish approved a plan called rädda danmark (Save denmark) on the 4th of may which involved the Danish brigade and Swedish troops to land in northern Denmark and kick the germans out. Around 60 000 men were to be involved on the Swedish side. The plan was set for the 18th of may but the war ended before the plan could start.
The worst part of this is that during the destruction of Czechoslovakia Poland didn't seem to have time to get their piece of that country.
I have no idea why your intonation goes up and down like a sinus curve, sorry I can't watch it as that's too distracting.
Well I have improved a lot since then, now my accent is better
This sounds like a HOI4 scenario when you turn historical AI off 🤣
Great video though
Great video, and also very intresting scenario
Very nice video! It was very enjoyable!
Thank you very much!
The Reason I Watch you cause of your hard work and the amount of time you put in all of your videos I'm sure you can reach 1m subscribers in span of this year good luck❤❤❤
Appreciate that wholeheartedly! 1m is too far away right now, but I would be happy to get 100k before the end of the year!
@@rewriting-history Dont worry you can I believe in you
Very good video! I love the idea of this! 🇸🇪
Thanks! 😃
10:05 You gave Corsica to Italy (while separating Sardinia from it).
As a french, I take it personally...
Great video anyway.
Lmao, you get more territoriale though
Why is Churchill at Stockholm? Chamberlain was ousted because of Allied failures in Poland and Norway. With the Allies doing well, I doubt he would have been voted out.
He wasn’t ousted, he resigned because of faltering health, but also embarrassment.
This is a really good video with an fascinating scenario but I dont understand why after the fall of the USSR Romania didnt keeped Bassarabia and North Bucovina or why the USSR didnt split East Prussia with Lithuania.
Can’t wait to see
Very Interesting video 😊
It just released, I hope you will like it now!
You're the Best! Suggestion for sweden: What if Napoleóns stepson eugene got the crown?
It's too bad for the germans they were so ideologically motivated. Aside from a large minority in sweden and other nordics, most people did not sympathize with the nazi's, however they did sympathize very much with the german people, and the british and their allies were not very well liked after them being directly responsible to starving thousands of people in scandinavia, in the first world war, due to a naval blockade. It is not unlikely that sweden and the other nordic countries would've joined a nationalistic germany that wasn't ruled by nazis.
I don’t know about Sweden but Norway was always pro-Britain, even during ww1 was Norway in favour of Britain while still keeping practical neutrality
There are archices open from british and us intelligence of the time. They state without reservation that sweden is a country of anglofiles, including the royal family. Books, music, plays, movies, english was dominating. The german sentiment had been larger during ww1 and wasn't gone but it was severly lesser than propaganda and myths have made it out to be.
Nice video!
Sweden gave as much as it could to Finland when USSR attacked. Government change would have mattered little.
The video is great, tho I'd change a few things with the scenario itself, mostly with the peace deal after the war:
1. Sweden would probably make some kind of an arrangement with Finland regarding the Åland islands, which had an almost fully Swedish population despite belonging to Finland (maybe Finland would even give them to Sweden after the Winter War as compensation for the support they got from Sweden)
2. Poland would most likely still get at least all of Silesia (tho maybe they'd give Kłodzko to Czechoslovakia, since it wasn't even part of the historical Silesia region, rather a part of Bohemia proper), western Wielkopolska (with cities like Piła, Wałcz and Międzyrzecz) and parts of East Prussia which bordered Poland and weren't important enough for the USSR to care about them that much (including the Pomezania/Powiśle region, the city of Elbląg/Elbing, and bordering parts of Mazuria) and maybe also some parts of german Pomerania (with cities like Lębork, Bytów and Słupsk/Stolp) as compensation for the eastern lands they lost to the Soviets despite being on the winning side + these lands were, and to this day are, inhabited by Slavic nations like Silesians, Kashubians, and Mazurians so it wouldn't even mean the deportations of Germans being as huge as in OTL
3. On the flipside, Poland would probably still not get all of its pre-WW2 lands back after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but some agreements would be made with Belarus and Ukraine about the territories with large Polish populations (with cities like Lwów/Lviv, Grodno/Hrodna, or Brześć/Brest), so the Polish border would still be more to the East than in OTL
4. East Prussia would definitely not be given back to the Weimar Republic, it would either be an independent state, a Russian base similar to Kaliningrad in OTL, or be split between Poland and Lithuania
5. I doubt that the French would be allowed to completely annex Western Rhineland after the war. They definitely would be allowed to take the Saarland, maybe also parts of South-West Rhineland (with cities like Trier and Koblenz) + some small bits of land would be also given to Belgium and Luxembourg, but the rest would most likely be just occupied for some time and then returned to the Weimar Republic
6. The Netherlands would probably also annex East Frisia from Germany to reunite the Frisian people, most of whom were and are living in the Netherlands
7. This one is probably just a map error at the end, but since Romania never gave up Besarabia and North Bucovina to the USSR, it would stay Romanian instead of being split between Ukraine and Moldova after the collapse of the USSR
Denmark and Sweden wouldnt want those territories, denmarm might want really small border changes but mostly they would both want money and security guarantees
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
@@rewriting-history I honestly didn’t think that Sweden joining would make such a difference
Awesome video! (Daniel here!)
Hey, thanks! Soon I will make some for Denmark too!
@@rewriting-history cool
13:37 why Italy has corsica 💀
Not sure if you did one like this, but could you do one when czechoslovakia refuses the munich agreement and fights alone? Their army was smaller, however more experienced and with strong border fortifications. And also defending. Could they possibly defend themselves and achieve a pece deal? Or would the german citizen perhaps revolt upon seeing their leader fail so hard at invading a nation for no reason, or maybe, with some help with czech spies too ;) . Would be very interesting.
Interesting question. However, this clip cannot be listened to as the sound is unbearable to listen to.
First part: Czechoslovakia giving sweeden stuff
Second part: Czechoslovakia Fighting ussr ( again)
Peace: not great but, as a czech, i can live with that
I know you like to make your scenarios more unrealistic to make them more interesting, but I'd just like to mention that Joseph Stalin actually wanted good relations with the leader of China and probably would have given Manchuria back and maybe even give them Korea.
Although @Indianajones4321 does have a very good point that the Soviets would probably be devastated by the Japanese.
There was a Soviet-Japan war in 1939 before the start of WWII that Soviet won decisively. Japan had useless tanks, they could not win a land war against Soviet. But Soviet had very little fleet power, so could never win a sea war against Japan.
Day 4 of asking you to do "What if Skanderberg's crusade succeseded"
Interest8; I wasant expecting this one swedens rarely mentioned
Poland should have acquired Eastern Silesia. Aside from that, very good video!
This scenario should be renamed: What if the Czechoslovak army went on a volenteering trip to the nordics.
Wouldn't get too many clicks if I named it that, right
Very cool❤ but can you do more interactive videos??
Those take a while and are pretty tedious to make, so it may take a while. I do think he said he is working on some more tho!
Pretty cool :)
Really glad you liked it!
Ass a swidish man 🇸🇪 i am happy that you do videos about Sweden and Italy has corsica Napoleon
It was very close that Sweden joined Finland. It was the premade plan of the army HQ and they even completed an expeditionary division in Norrtälje. The cabinet was unaware and stopped it as they found out.
Apparently, handover of power in 1936 had not included defense plans. Imagine the entire army thinking they have a go and the government doesn't know it'seven on the table. That could have been a story.
Some lesser known details that can be interesting to know. Much of the polish navy spent the war interned in the Swedish lake Mälaren. Had Sweden joined the allies, these assets of course would have joined the fight.
Sweden also fought the Soviet navy during 1943 in open hostilities. Germans had been unlawfully using swedish waters, even swedish colors and bribed swedish ships, to avoid soviet subs in the baltic, in its connection with Finland. In february 43, the soviet declared unrestricted warfare in the baltics. They started attacking swedish vessels in international waters between Swedish mainland and Gotland. They even attacked swedish ships in swedish waters from international waters. Hundreds of swedes lost their lives. No numbers exists for soviet losses but after an intense spring the soviets returned to respecting neutrality.
About 3000 german soldiers pilots and sailors lost their lives to swedish forces during the war. That's well worth remembering as some seem to think neutrality is just sitting there doing nothing. The fact it didn't come to war is rather incredible but after 41 swedish forces were too strong for anything germany had to spare.
It is often debated what rile swedish iron played both in the war but also keeping sweden out of it. One must however remember sweden was completely dependent on german coal and other goods. Any scenario with sweden willingly joining the allies must explain where sweden would then get its electricity and how it would fight with otherwise efficiently zero industry.
Not even the soviets were invited to the Munich conference why would Sweden be invited if they were only going to vote against it anyway
The most important consequence would be that Orr, in Joseph Heller's novel Catch 22, would not spend th whole book doing mystrious, stupid seeming things that turn out to be preparation for going AWOL to neutral Sweden.
Those postwar German borders almost resemble a HOI4 peace deal, at least with the gains for Czechoslovakia and Sweden.
10:04 Sardinia: What?
Corsica: What?
13:36 Again?!
playing hoi4 as Germany rn and I believe if Switzerland and/or Sweden chose a team they'd choose Germany
the war would have had to have been in Germanys favor long enough however or they'd pulled a Turkiye and Brasil being states more likely to join Germany but fought Germany for relations with the winning team
I'm Swedish. No Swedish iron exports to Germany would make quite a large difference.
I can't really judge the events in Czechoslovakia and Poland. Similar to the Poles in our timeline, the Checks would be willing to fight against both Germany and the Soviet Union, but would they make a big impact in Finlands Winter War?
Regardless, if Sweden is better armed and a decided ally of England and France and France does not have to fear Italy, French and Swedish forces and British Navy could do much of what you credit the Checks with, so Finland could win against the Soviet Union. Swedish-British navy would likely liberate Estonia and maybe more of the Baltic states.
If Finland gets so much of Karelia from Russia due to Swedish intervention, I think the Swedes would make Finland give up Swedish-speaking Åland and the Swedish-speaking regions around the Gulf of Bothnia to them. Sweden is much more interested in these areas than in the old Swedish Pomerania. Even so, Finland almost doubles its territory. Finland might also absorb Estonia, which is very close linguistically and culturally. This double-sided Finnish lock on Leningrad's shipping would infuriate the Soviets.
If Sweden defends Norway and later liberates Denmark, the old ideals of pan-scandinavianism might resurface, creating strong links and possibly a future union between Sweden, Denmark and Norway. England and France would support this as a way to keep the Soviets in check. Closely allied with Greater Finland, this would actually be a major power. Sweden in itself simply lacks the population to be a major power.
You are right in saying Sweden would not be the social democrat utopia Per-Albin Hanson wanted, instead it would be a more authoritarian state similar to Finland of our timeline, more conservative and with larger class divisions. However, over time, I don't think the difference would be that large.
Would Stalin attack Japan in this scenario? Perhaps, but he would not be able to take the islands as he would need to keep a sizeable reserve in Europe to guard against the Scandinavian Union and Finland. Perhaps he could take Korea and Manchuria, only to become the enemy of an allied Japan and China. I don't think he'd be that reckless and content himself with minor border adjustments.
You would concentrate on learning how to pronounce English instead of talking about things you don't know or know anything about😉
"I think the Swedes would make Finland give up Swedish-speaking Åland and the Swedish-speaking regions around the Gulf of Bothnia to them. " I mean, Åland can be fair game as they are not considered as Fennoswedes, but people from Pohjanmaa certainly are. We are multilingual nation, and those Fennoswedes who speak Swedish as their mother tongue are quite Finnish by their ancestry today.
Per Albin Hansson was responsible for the 1920's demolishing of the Swedish defense. He had had a failed army career and hated the officers, blaming them for his failures.
You messed up corsica and sardinia on the map. Otherwise nice vid
As a Swede, I thank you
Can you create an alternate Post-Russian Civil War timeline if Anastania Romanov still survied from the execution and became the Tsarina of Russia?
how does basarabia got to the soviets? you dint say anything about soviet ocupation of basarabia, and after the soviet explosion basarabia magicaly gets eaten by ukraine?
Он знает о Мексике. 4:09
If this would really had happened if sweden joined ww2 on the allies side, bs this is the best and even better for my country Finland
We might have taken Åland from you. /Sweden :)
If Sweden joined the Allies then Germany would jump at them right after Norway and Denmark.
Under German occupation Sweden would then most likely get bombed by both the Soviet union and the Allies, once Barbarossa was pushed back The Soviets would probably "liberate" parts of Sweden and the Allies would do the same.
Sweden never officially picked any sides because it would get bombed and attacked no matter what side it would pick.
Sweden joins the Commitern with The
Soviets would end up in German occupation and being bombed by both Soviets and Allies.
Sweden joins the Axis would result in
The Soviets attacking it occupying it which would result in Sweden being bombed by the Germans.
There are a difference, Sweden have already mobilized hundreds of thousand men, thinking USSR will defeat Finland and continue and attack Sweden, and the soldier did trained/drilled as the war is coming.
Germany do not have the air or sea capacity to invade both Denmark, Norway and Sweden at the same time, historical they barley succeeds in overwhelming the the Norwegian troops who never really had time to mobilize.
Now in a scenario then Sweden elect to join the Allies, Sweden have the initiative and can mobilize even more troops, and have maximum redness.
Why do you have the czechoslovaks doing things like helping finland? They didn't do as much in otl as in your scenario
10:46 why would Czechoslovaks join Finland against USSR when Ussr was the only major power that supported them against Germany during Sudetenland crisis
Wasn't German attack on Norway and Denmark executed for protecting trading with Sweden if Sweden in this scenario is not that keen on cooperating with Germans why would they attack scandinavia in the first place?
True, but to be fair it also allowed Germany to secure their northern flank, likely by gaining Norwegian airports
not bad but you seem in need of a refresher of the winter war as you claim it was over fast ...... 3,5 months of soviets perishing for every meter they advanced when Finland had around 350K soldiers at best to cover a border of 1300-1450 KM ... that is not fast my friend ... that is sluggish progress
@@stijncools9233 i agree, but compared to other wars that lasted decades or even centuries, it wasn't that fast. I was speaking in terms of world standards 😅
i don’t see how the price of steel changes all of this, and the relocation of czechoslovak industry is unrealistic.
my man casually gave Læsø to Sweden even though it's a Danish Island
Bro how did you notice this haha? Must be a mapping mistake, no idea how it happened
@@rewriting-history well I'm Danish and a history nerd so I guess it's a six Sense when someone changes the borders around my home country XD. but it was a brilliant video and I did really enjoy it
Why is corsica under italy and sardinia independent?
But what if they joined the axis ?
I think, they didn't only because Germans had failed to take Leningrad.
How the hell did Romania loose Northern Bucovina, Moldova and Budjak to the Soviets
Bruh… MILLIONS of Czechs magically live and operate in Sweden/Finland with bo regards for logistics?..
I think this scenario, and scenarios like this in general, suffer from one problem in particular.
They fail to adjust the actions of parties to take the changes into consideration.
Would the Germans have acted as they did with Poland with a stronger guarantee from the West, with Sweden, the source of a great deal of their critical war material aligned against them?
Would the Soviet Union have invaded from the east when the Poles were putting up stiff resistance against the Germans? What is the timetable for their invasion? Would they move it up or down? Historically they lagged behind the Germans intentionally, so as to appear that they were not in fact invading the Polish Republic, but protecting their Belarusian and Ukrainian brothers with the collapse of the Polish Republic.
Would the Soviet Union have invaded Finland when Stalin knew he was not just fighting a weak, new country on its own but one possessing the former Czech army and the help of Sweden besides, with the potential of British intervention?
Stalin likely would not have considered an intervention against the Germans when he was becoming increasingly isolated. Instead, he probably would have stepped up his support for the Germans, with their desperation leading to increasing promises, such as control over Bulgaria, a goal he had attempted historically but was thwarted by German influence.
Stalin's hope in this situation would be to create another World War One with trench warfare so that the capitalist powers would destroy one another, enabling him to sweep over the remnants with ease.
Why would Stalin declare war on the Japanese? His policy in the region was much the same as in Europe: exhaust both potential adversaries by allowing them to fight each other.
He would be much better off by prolonging the war for as long as possible, providing some weapons to the Chinese or help from his divisions if they were faltering too much as he did historically. A Soviet invasion of the Japanese home isles provides an excellent opportunity for detente between America and Japan, or at the least a weakening of the American oil embargo. With such an event, it would be impossible for the Soviet Union to invade the home isles, as they possessed few naval assets in the far east, in comparison to the Japanese at least.
All of these decisions as presented in the video and more besides are questionable at best.
Destroying Germany this much in a scenario where the war is so short doesn't seem likely to me.
What if Crassus conquered Parthia alongside Publius
They could have took the route of Trajan, the Armenians hated the Parthians and offered Crassus but Crassus didnt trust the Armenians
Why did you randomly decide that Japan would just roll over and be taken over by the USSR? If anything, Japan would stalemate the USSR with support from the West as while they weren't fans of Japan, they'f be even more hostile against Communism. I could see Japan being forced to give up its ambitions in China and Manchuria by the West in exchange for aid but be allowed to keep Korea and maybe Taiwan but probably not.
Dope
Sweden was famously neutral during ww2, this prevented mau dezong from every coming to party
May be, Sweden remained neutral only because Germans had failed to take Leningrad.
Otherwise it could have join Axis.
great vid but oml the border gore is real 😭
Poland should get Silezia in the peace treaty, as they lost land to the Soviet Union and were attacked by Germany
Would all of what Stalin annexed in Galicia go to the Ukrainian SSR or would a separate Polish SSR be created?
This is a good video but i very much doubt the Soviets would be able to invade mainland Japan
Well i have one more word: germany will win after spain joined and croatian empire,turkish joined,Portugal invaded,Switzerland,British annexed ireland if germany invaded sweden as well
sweden did help finland we had 15000+ troops there and gave them supply s and did plan to invade norway in 1945 with 100k soldiers but the war did end
Why italy own Corsica and not Sardinia?
Sweden Will get really good army if that much of Czechoslovak Industry And army moved to Sweden
For as much as i like it the region of Silesia looks horrendous and North Germany is still too Powerful which could easily be cut off by taking away silesia, as well as Poland is looking ugly for cold war
wait skoda? damnnnnnn
This question is beyond stupid since the answer is blindingly simplistic.
The war between Finland-Sovjet was a warof territory.
Had Sweden joined, and lost (as Finland was forced to negotiate peace, the Sovjet army was bigger than the Finnish population...) then Stalin would have demanded land from Sweden and Finland would ceased to exist in the same moment.
I always tell Finnish people to thank us Swedish for not joining.
USSR hardly can take land from Sweden without having borders with them, and as for Finland ceasing to exist can happen only if all of Finland is occupied, hardly a possible scenario during the winter war.
@@molotovribbentrop2839 Do you really know how the negotiations went after the winter war?
It's more like a capitulation agreement than anything else. The second war, USSR had more soldiers than Finland had population.
If Stalin would liked, Finland would be no more and Sweden had lost its Northern parts.
@@andreaseriksson8803 You can want many things, it still doesn't mean you get to have them. Right now Russia wants Ukraine, and they have larger population than them, yet they still don't have it. Occupation of Finland during the Continuation War isn't easy feat and that's specifically why USSR didn't pursue it. Not to even mention the ramification it would have had from the Allied side, as they had already demanded USSR to stop the war with Finland. Conquering Sweden is on the other level, even harder feat to pull.
@@molotovribbentrop2839 They want Ukraine?
Are you both unable to read and hear? Or do you read western media? 🤣
@@andreaseriksson8803 Well they invaded it, and tried to take its capital city. It's pretty obvious what they are doing, even without watching Russia today. Goes to show that you don't always get what you want. Of course, you might not know about this if only media you consume is the Russian one. After all, people were sentenced to prison in Russia for calling a war what it is; a war.
What if Democratic oe Monarchic Romania joined the commintern?
What on earth were those borders lmao. I feel as if there’s a point where giving up plausibility for entertainment just turns the scenario into a comedy.
Do pls sweden join the axis what if❤
Will poll it and see if it's popular
Too unrealistic for my taste even as a Finn
18:57 sweden could anex estonia after colapse of USSR
Sweden would be much more interested in Åland. Finish and Estonian are similar languages and they have historic relations, so a Finnish Estonia is much more likely.
if they also get pomerania and hamburg better
Good video but soviet wouldn't invade japan since they aren't at war with the west beacuse there was no pearl harbor no oil embargo and japan didn't took inodchina. meaning they still trade with us so they have resouces to fight china and holding ussr wouldn't be much problem japan would moblize in manchuria and korea and defend manchuria. soviet would struggle much since japan have better navy. Also i think allies would give german lands to poland as a compensation for losing so much lands so they get lands they got in our timeline but they gain even more since they lost more probably but without eastern prussia. France and sweden wouldn't annex anything from germany (maybe saarland for france) sweden would get a lot war reperations and if allies didn't want rihenland to be part of germany than they would make it free state under french protection. Mussolini would want more likely whole austria as a puppet state.
How about a video
What if Germany had a Kaiser loyal, social democrats and Marxist revolution after 43 or the Normandy landings
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