Gregory Benford - Are We Living in a Simulation?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Could our entire universe have been created by a super-intelligent species, just like computer scientists write software to simulate chemical reactions or the weather? It may sound silly, but with the exponential increase in computing power, it could be conceivable? And if for humans, why not for others? If our universe were a simulation, how could we tell?
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Gregory Benford is an American science fiction author and astrophysicist who is on the faculty of the Department of Physics and Astronomy at the University of California, Irvine. He is also a contributing editor of Reason magazine.
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The hologram is the computer and the computer is the hologram. My "Logic Geometry Theory": a computable logic that arises from how connections are made and/or broken over time. With dynamic connections, or dynamic geometric logic, or logic through the changing shape of geometry, like a truth table that the truths change and is essentially functional programming, but is computational logic without mathematics where the changing shape is the only information. That is it. The complete description of what it does. I have working models that do many different sophisticated things, including emulating math. The models are on top of a digital computer of course, but the entirety of the logic is performed by one command that allows you to create or rewrite a command to a string of commands, and nothing else. Contact me at johnphantom @ hotmail . com or go to github . com /johnphantom/Dynamic-Stateless-Computer for the models.
The double slit experiment weighs heavily on the side of us living in a “simulation” or a computer program” of sorts.
Simulation or not, the sufferings feel very real.
I was just thinking the same...
I agree. If this is a simulation, I wish those in charge would simply turn this game off.
Suffering is in your reaction to stimuli...not necessary.
From someone who has cancer, suffering is all to real. Wish I could react to it differently.
Dreams feel real. It's only when you wake up, you realise it's been a dream.
Got to admit, it certainly feels like a lab experiment sometimes.
...sometimes? I wanna live in *your* reality 🙇🏻♂️
What makes you feel like you're in a lab experiment?
Wait. Think. Those who are doing the simulation would also have to ask if they are in a simulation, and so on!
Yes I have the same sensation
I'd say that has nothing to do with the actual universe, but because of human society and it's social constructions eg. science, theories, experiments, institutions, etc.
Spoiler alert: yes. We've always known it but are damned to forget it through each lifetime.
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@Tom Sutherland
Everyone here 🕋is You in a different cubic dimension of space time 🗝
We made it a game to remember throughout each experience
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@@LeeHounshell so how to exit this bs thing ?? I don't want it anymore . I want to go home , where I can live peacefully . I want to end my suffering .
Wow. Brilliant comment.
Although I think the simulation universe argument is interesting, it's a cop out. It still does not explain who or what created the simulation. It just adds a layer to reality rather than explaining anything
This video explains that we would create an universe in the future that in term create life and consciousness and in term those people/aliens will also create another universe etc. So, there could be an infinite universes created by very advanced civilizations
@@Fmakegeo6 For sure I get that but it still does not explain how it all was created. Who created these advance civilizations that made the sim? Must be a heck of a graphics card too!!
@@Fmakegeo6 Life cannot be created, Life is Tthe Creator, also Consciousness, cannot be created, only renewed and developed.
Universes gets borrn, according to the Parents-Principle, like We do.
parents of the Universe might looks different than ours, but the principle is the same.
@@Fmakegeo6 I have debunked that argument already previously and if you’re interested I can share with you my counter arguments.
I created this world, it's my simulation..... Seriously
The Placebo effect suggests that what is "Real" for you . . . might as well be "real" if the end result is similar
Yeah, reality appears to be relative (to the universe in question). This differs from solipsism however, because the latter implies you *create* reality, while "local reality" takes a more materialistic approach (because you're just a subsystem within an overarching axiom)
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Although 'Anything' can be Possible, In Theory", I think that it would be more Practical to change the word, "Possible" to the Word, "Probable".
I prefer to take a Pragmatic approach with regard to things like this and keep my Mind as open as possible. If I can see a Practical use for it in my Life, Ill try to do so. If not, I can think of other things to occupy my Mind.
Be Well and Stay Safe
To me these concepts reveal the limitation of the human mind and imagination, as much as I love to hear them. There are turtles all the way down or there are scientists all the way down doesn’t make much difference.
I agree
I see what ur saying but when they say that we're living in a simulation, it's for a lack of a better term. There's some sim theories that apply, like the world not being fully rendered and humans not being able to see 360 degrees around us. I live in a building in NY, and all I see is a backdrop. On a train, just everything which passes but it's definitely not fully rendered. I can blow ur mind with a theory I came up with called the " Shadow of a plane on the side of a mountain" theory, but I don't want to get killed!
Someone should play one of these pianos one day.
I call this one, Fermi Paradox Sonata in E minor
Strongly recommended reading about what is real and what is illusion:
"Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi"
For me, the most important moment of this interview is the statement, "If the Universe we live in is a simulation (or isn't), how would we know if it was (or wasn't)?"
The same way a fish wouldn't know any better if it were born in a fish tank or aquarium
The purpose of all the limits of physics is a mechanism to ensure we never discover this.
I like how he emphasized the main character of his book as a black woman particle physicist...he would of scored more points he used trans.
I appreciate your comment.
...and had her in a wheelchair.
How so?
Lol
Hahaha.
Heard this idea years ago. Along with multiple universes, string theory etc. I love cosmology because even those in the know know so little. Its brilliant.
These guys just push nonsense. Try Wal Thornhill. His presentations are excellent.
Not strictly a simulation, more of a 'daughter universe'.
Interesting variation on the computer-centric 'simulation' idea.
Bostom's argument would apply to both types of universe.
But... if you created a daughter universe, would you know you had done it?
It would be outside our own Universe, with no way to communicate in either direction…
(edit - this question is handled in Benford's novel 'Cosm' so maybe I need to read it)
The thing I flushed down the toilet this morning was no simulation
It was a universe within itself!
There is a very dark side to this theory. If true, then horrible universes could exist or will exist where unimaginable pain and suffering abound. Maybe the message of this universe, the message of love, hope, forgiveness and salvation should be taken seriously. I’m starting to think that the sermons I heard as a child were were true.
If this is a simulation then please explain to me why we poop and why must we wipe
You don't only the body need that
We exist on an expanding thought that might one day forget itself.
Interesting, a Boltzman brain maybe
Hmm? What is “thinking” that you exist? I thought you might strive to answer that!
The thought of the infinite mind.
A voice of reason in a town of buttermilk minds
What Benford is talking about is creating a small physical universe, not a simulation. The difference is a simulation requires the continuous injection of energy, whereas the creation of a real physical universe only requires the energy of creation.
We are an infinite series of simulations, turtles all the way down
Haha : )
Hmm? Unlimited....upside downs!
Your sentence tells me that you do not know what turtles are ¬ knowing turtles is everything.
To the Big Bang...
@@JerryMlinarevic I like turtles.
One problem I foresee is when 1st universe fizzles out so does every simulation ( maybe they should have used Duracel batteries )
End of your theory case closed.
Or, we're on such a small timescale compared to higher universes, that never happens.
We live in our own simulation. We simulate that we are so smart and profound.
Dear Gregory, I will grab Cosm from the shelf and read it again, thank you for the inspiring conversation with Mr. Kuhn and best from the obviously simulated Berlin!
Sometimes on a clear night at it looks like the stars are really close and they look like they were put in place.
Childish, back in the early 70's we, as teenagers used to sit on the floor in a circle, smoke weed and come up with similar crap but now we are grown up. shame on this guy.
As both a self-described and often accused intellectual, as well as an Atheist who both resides and originated from Southeast Texas, which has historically been and very much remains a region that religiously derived personalities dominate over what I offer the simple description of secular/humanist type approach to dealing with societal issues and everything that might arise from that all-encompassing catagorization of existence, I very much appreciate all that Closer To Truth attempts to provide as a source of guidance for those who wish to explore different high-level concepts such as Simulation Theories, but I often worry that what results of these explorations are more often than not going to serve as yet another vehicle to muddy the waters, as the saying goes. Please consider this concern and if you, those who produce this valuable resource, find yourselves in agreement in this regard then go forward in a way that will address it in a fashion that is concise and is always included in each segment and in each episode. Thanks, from an appreciative and subscribed regular audience member. Post Edit.I have proofread, I recognize multiple errors, I can live with them, I conclude with supposition and my appy polly logies, that for those of whom of which these comments were intended, any errors made in composition are freely admitted to by this author and what has been authored is sufficiently intelligable to have supplied that specified audience with the overall gist. Edit complete.
The type of simulation that's consistent with Occam's Razor is a dream. All the evidence thought to support other theories can also be found in a dream, and dream architecture can explain what other theories cannot.
What is Occam’s razor? I have heard of it before but can’t remember, Is it like a Boltzman brain?
🌟Yes we live in simulated reality
🌟GOD created this simulated reality
🌟Simulated reality origins from conscious reality which is govern by supreame conscious (GOD). Conscious reality is the fundamental reality in all realities.
🌟Simulated reality is created by supreame conscious (GOD) for conscious beings or immortal souls so that they can mix with material universe or multiverse in this material body which is given to us for a certain period of time.the whole purpose of simulated reality is that Conscious beings like us & other life forms, can live & experience their life & lot more things in material universe in material body.
“It would strongly imply that maybe...”
Love Benford, galactic center especially, GSR in particular.
There would be no reason to make the universe so big if we were living in a simulation. We can barely leave our planet yet there’s 2 trillion galaxy’s out there? Makes no sense for a simulation.
True. But what if the simulation started as only the earth, but as humans became more intelligent and have invented more and more powerful telescopes, the creator has had to simulate an ever increasing universe, otherwise the powerful telescopes would see beyond it.
@@GameTime-yj6qv I suppose that could be true but the creator could have just stopped at making our galaxy and we wouldn’t have cared much. But instead the creator of the simulation made two trillion more galaxy’s??? Don’t make much sense.
@@craigthescott5074 yeah, fun to think about, but don't believe it either because of the sheer size of the universe.
I have a creative mind, that means I think differently to the norm, I'm not that good with math, but man can I visualise the problem;
what I can see is that the universe extends itself to match how far you look. If you reach the edge of the universe it will simply extend more, if you reach the smallest point, it will simply get smaller. This is proof of reality, our universe being designed in such a way as to contain us inifinately. It is programmed to keep us contained.
Its similar to the saying if a tree falls in a forrest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a make sound? Eg. If we had not sought out the edge of the univese, would that which is beyond the exit actually exist?
So it's not about finding the edge, we can't find that and never will. We need to find why the edge moves away from us. The underlying logic that creates that. To do that we probably need to understand time itself and how that applies itself outside this universe. Though again, we probably are not authorized to understand that (and if we did it would extend itself again further to explain.
Thus we are in an ever repeating pattern, a fractal - and we need to think about how the fractal is controlled. Else we will never meet the edge. Just more questions to have answered
I’m convinced that Benford wrote me into existence.
wonderful video on the simulation theory!
more, please
Man to God : I can make a man from dirt.
God to Man : Impressive.. I made the dirt.
If we are a simulation it would explain why we seem to be all alone in the Universe - it doesn't make any sense for us to be all alone, unless advanced species are "protecting" us by keeping us in the dark so to speak
Can’t imagine to know that my ex wife ( carbon copies) are tormenting “me” in other universes ?.
Hahaha Lol ! 🌴😎❤️
ahahahahah good joke bro !
Not all of them. In some of those other universes you realized it wasn't all her fault. You made other choices which caused you and your now ex wife to get along better. In some universes you and her feel like soul mates. This is true for everyone. Every road you could have ever taken is equally as real and exist as much as you right here right now reading my comment. Maybe in a few universe's you go find her. Tell her because of a random guy on youtube you've woken up. You've changed. Because you can. Peace brother. ✌🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍🌍
@@EliteNugz woo nonsense, aj is no simp. thats a redpill joke. r u taking your redpills elitenugz ?
@@EliteNugz .
My friend, you believe in Santa Clause.
This is not a simulation but when we die our consciousness is uploaded into one - there are endless sims.
I might be knowing where am falling next
If it's numerically impossible we are the first simulation, "clearly we aren't" If it's numerically impossible we exist without fine tuning, "there must be infinite universes and we are just lucky" despite zero evidence for the answer.
It was nice of Greg to create this fun thought exercise
The credit should really go to Nick Bostrom, who laid out the Simulation Hypothesis in a paper some 20+ years ago. He now heads Oxford Universities "existential threats to the future of humanity research project". If you find the concept to be a stimulating one then I would would urge you to investigate further. Cheers.
Timescape was a superb book, and so prophetic.
I love listening to people talk about these things. So glad it can be shared freely with everyone through a little thing called social media 😊
Can we be in an infinite series of simulations if we haven’t created a simulation ourselves? If the series is not infinite, then having not created a simulation would mean we are the last in the chain and then wouldn’t those odds also be vanishingly small?
But that kind of universe is not quite a simulation but rather a rearrangement of the existing things at a smaller scale
At our scale where molecules were possible life was able to appear but at different scales we don’t know what is possible.
Also there is Penrose hypothesis in which the universe goes to different scales on and on by itself
Then, the initial configuration starting with a conscious entity is far less likely that a configuration where things are in a random arrangement, as we can see that life is hard to appear even after a very long period of time.
We do not live in a simulation🙄
Why are the titles in this series constantly inadequate?
I loved "Cosm". It provided lots of grist for my mental mill.
So in other words, there is a relationship between the observer and the observed . Consciousness creates Matter and not the other way round, and so getting back to the age old belief that our planet is a stage for all sorts of actors and actresses to play out this cosmic song and dance. Then we get off the stage(die) and reflect on our actions and reactions, make adjustments, and begin our true reality , like all actor's do after getting off the stage or film set ... 😁
Where simulations fall down for me is that there are close to eight billion of us. Who could monitor eight billion humans?
@@oldcigarette7538 Quantum Entanglement describes how God can be everywhere at once.
@@peaceonearth351 So if he's everywhere at once, was he in the concentration camps when the Nazis were torturing and killing people, or in John Wayne Gacey,'s house when he was doing the same kind of thing to young men he had picked up, over many years? So he was there, but couldn't be arsed doing anything. But he answers our prayers ...
@@peaceonearth351 So if he's everywhere at once, was he in the concentration camps when the Nazis were torturing and killing people, or in John Wayne Gacey,'s house when he was doing the same kind of thing to young men he had picked up, over many years? So he was there, but couldn't be arsed doing anything. But he answers our prayers ...
@@oldcigarette7538 Yes, we have free will. We can choose evil. I don't believe that has anything to do with God, though.
I love all the comments, so many philosophers! You are all wonderfully thought provoking. There is no way this universe could only be in my mind. I'm not that smart or clever, yet all these great ideas emerge.
You’re referring to solipsism? But that’s not the videos point tho..
@@dermalion6410 I did not mention the video, only the commenters. But thanks!
@@dj-kq4fz you’re confusing me but ok
If you believe our universe is a simulation then you believe there is a God.
God is only one of many metaphoric names (or labels) that you can give the Greater Consciousness System that permeates throughout this simulation / Sims game that we exist in.
How would we even determine if it exists "outside" our own? Where are the parameters for what is "outside" and what is "inside"? The imagination creates a universe of its own.
His perspective is "a bit" too nihilistic for my taste....
What is his perspective? He's not arguing for a simulated universe. He was considering it as a possibility but I didn't get the impression that he actually believes in simulation theory.
Occam’s razor suggests we don’t, because now you have to explain the origin of the simulator.
Simulation Theory is bunk. It walks around in a circle and leads back to all of the same questions. Who created the simulation and how old is their universe? How vast? What is the purpose of the simulation? What happens when the simulation ends?
I too believe in simulant physics. But. I take exception that simulation is like computer like visions . We are within the creator or simulation source. Not separate from the creators. But I like the interview.
Were part of the simulant -software whereas the hardware is a different kind. Giving us consciousness instead.
A interesting thought well worth discussing.
this thought leads to nothing, energie is energie, simulation or reality, all the same. It explains nothing, it makes more questions. If we proof this is an simulation there would only be one use: looking for glitches
@@kysa3535 Well I never .
@Zac Atkinson Iam sure that is the case but its always interesting to hear different perspectives.
@@kysa3535 A thought that generates more questions can hardly be said to be 'leading to nothing'.
@@akumar7366 The fact that 'things fell down' was nothing new until Newton put some additional thought to it and opened a whole box of further questions to be answered ..
It makes total sense when you think about infinite time and infinite space there has been infinite very high intelligence in the universe that are capable of creating simulations on our scale we are in now, and god knows what base reality is/was like, it could be completely different to how we experience reality
Calculating God by Robert Sawyer is a fun take on related topics.
The death of my husband is too real and painful to say this is a simulation. I sure didn’t want this pain, but that’s the price of love
I believe we will be with our loved ones again. To be otherwise would be too cruel of the creators of this existence.
@@rons5319 i certainly hope so. Already life has no purpose if i cannot meet my loved ones death for me will be useless as well. ☹
Time would be almost frozen until you zoom in on the world and as you did it would accelerate per %zoom etc. The totality of a image and all that is in it can be on diffrent time dilutions
I think it fits with Complex Systems Science and the universe is fractal. Which may suggest ever more universes in repetition with variations.
This Theory has crossed my mind more than once.
Hmm? Is your “mind” thought, thinking or-- a unlimited phenomena?
I have this weird obsession with this theory, it’s affecting me to a point where I don’t even want to do anything because realistically speaking if this is all a virtual life, nothing we do matter. All this work, pain we put in is for nothing.
You could look at it in a different light. As Max Planck implied the Universe could be a conscious construct. Each one of us in this reality has created their own Universe and it is slightly different from everyone else's but able to interact with each reality to different degrees. If this is the case you are the master of creating your own reality and the ground rules are that you have challenges to overcome to gain new skills in using our intellect to create more challenging, more creative and more rewarding scenarios as you advance.
Whether we are or not, What difference does it make? This seems to be one of lifes unchangeables and we simply have to ...deal with it.
the ultimate question would be, where does one begin and the other end - the simple presence of whatever it is that defines boundaries, should not be disgarded as a wall, or door, or valve or whatever. The big challenge for contemporary physics is to view everything as one, never ever separating
Q, how to survive pain and suffering
A, Short answer, Thru observatory meditation, some would call it transcendental meditation, i personally name it emptiness meditation.
Long answer :
To all the replies here, once u keep doing, practice, master (emptiness/observative) meditation,there on, you will only witness to all events, emotions, sufferings, that are merely happening within and around you thats including terminal illness within you, physical pain and outerior like your fmly conflicts,loss of frenship, relationship breakups, country political instability, global pandemic, even worse, war
All will become mere relative events and observatory to you as if you're the third person view that is how you ultimately can overcome all suffering in and outside type thru observative (emptiness) meditation that is how the suffering will be overcome.
This is my direct personal experience with observation meditation that I do everyday for the past 3 years and I'm telling you now but many will not believe it irregardless although I've given the direct reply to your questions about suffering is real in this world can in fact, be overcomed, mentally. Do not look at this meditative as part of religion because it is not. Remember, all is mental in the first principle hermetic law of mentalism. You cannot use physical to solve physical problem but must be one up level mental to solve physical problem.
Meditation will warp you backward as a witness to all yes everything event thats happening within you and outside whether good or bad circumstance and thus dial back the pain (or happiness in terms of good happenstance) and dial down as well the direct emotional response you have or will have because you are merely an observer not a victim or participant to the event althou relatively speaking you are victim but you now take the observator role and are now emotionally spared and yiur direct negative emotional response are no longer as valid as you may have thought them to be and as a observator you now no longer give as much validation and power to the negative emotional response that largely beget your suffering and pain. If you no longer feed the negative emotional response, your suffering and pain becomes a mere 'sighting' from your perspective. The physical pain still there but have been largely decimated already to within your awareness of it only.
Thus, in long term meditation is someway, is literally able to take away your suffering fear anxiety violence depression, and vice versa, ground you in the event of esctasy, happiness, achievement ,grounds you to be humble, thus ever maintaining level headed ,clarity, modesty that eventually heighten your wisdom thru thick and thin events, you will maintain your heighten sense thru polished observatory skill that is active/passive every moment that makes you the best sharpest person to observe with complete neutrality toward the events with the max wisdom and clarity. In spiritual term, this is the revered inequinimity. I am practising this now
I mean 1000% what I said and I hope you guys get it. You may reach me by replying here if you need my guidance.
It's more of a highly sophisticated VR game..rather than a lab experiment
I think the simulated universe theory is a very serious possibility
Ofcourse you will believe that because your reality isn’t pleasant enough to accept. 🤡
@@dermalion6410 ahhh your a lovely little man
God bless you
@@theliamofella didn’t you just say in another comment that it’s unlikely we’re in a sim? 🤔
I’ve never bought the simulation theory, existence is too messed up and too complicated. Yes a simulation it’s self would be complex by its very nature but the universe is in many ways imperfect as well as being perfect.
Incredible
I like this theory.....All the kinks in the system like Quantum..could just be glitches in the program.
If you go back and think about what we knew.....or rather....what we thought we knew.....and compare that to what we will know in 300 or 500 years or more.
I have written 2 sims. One of Intel 8048 microprocessor. One of neural net genetic learning to produce a 1 of 10 decoder given 4 bit word inputs.
A lot of intelligent people can’t come up with an answer because common sense says absolutely not. “ Back to life back to reality”
Do you think Hemingway had ever thought of wrting a sci-fi novel?
Here is a possible plot:
A long time ago there was a perfect life on Mars. Oh, those Martians, they were such a bright people! More advanced civilisations decided to treat them with a bit of their advanced technology and little by little they travelled the road from the electric bulb to digitalisation. Finally, they self-destroyed. The Papa Architect wondered what was wrong with the people, how could they be so bright and so dumb at the same time and he decided for a little experiment nearby, on the Planet Earth. He decided he would give the new life all that the Martian life had had and perhaps introduce some variations - like a more complex religious system, where they start with polytheism and the nature gods and goddesses and end up in their new 2000 with the main sacred religions of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism, in the same access to science and technology. The decisive moment was the introduction of the machine and the possibility of having control over the extraterrestrial life arriving here, when they make their moral choice.
At the end of the novel, which leaves the Earth in the condition we found Mars in, we learn that the Earth has been the lab for many extraterrestrial tribes, so different religions spoke of different beginnings of life. What matters is the people of none remained faithful to God, each wanting to take the position.
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Each individual projects their own unique universe that extends to the boundaries of the individuals senses. All of the individual universes intersect according to, and as long as our group interactions are mutually occuring. Be it two beings experiencing a common experience or multiple "dreamers". Still, the individuals experience exists continuosly for him. So each entity projects a continuous reality that may be shared by others. Note however, that no two universal experiences are identical. No one sees the same reality. Each one is like a bubble that lasts for the duration of ones life.
I can’t take the simulation theory seriously as it’s just like the what made god problem all over again, like you questioned, maybe someone can go further or sideways with this
Almost expected him to start with "Ergo.." 👀
Yes, it's WestWorld, The Matrix, and Fringe.
Very thorny this sort of thinking, you might live in base reality and still pose this question and be unsure. In all universes simulated or base though the question of why there is something rather than nothing etc remain; excepting that the base universe does not differ radically in some way to the ones being simulated (perhaps due to limitations of the simulation). However simulation tries to be as accurate as possible in representation; would inaccuracy exclude the reason and mode by which the universe came into being?
And are these experiments unethical, given the amount of suffering in this one, at least?
If you are not “human”, “ethical” doesn’t apply to you.
@@Elena-zm4fc Of course, this is arguable, especially in the case of animal rights; in the case of superior beings, we would be the 'animals' in question.
Life really is the perfect game. For those who can put the fear of death aside and control their perceptions
Yet it still doesn't explain/account for the first one.
Crazy? Correlations validating this bizarro-world theory are now daily revelations!
What difference would it make if it were?
Where did the first turtle come from?
I mean with all these theories, I Just need to know the Whole 'why something instead of nothing' thing :(
That’s the way the programmers want you:)
@vip47287 well that is your idea, but i mean theres us so that is 'something' and not nothing. An illusion is based on something too. Wether it is brain cells making things up or visually because of heat or whatever so this is kinda a meme answer
@vip47287 or we have a higher eternal self. It goes infinitely more complex in my opinion. Our soul or mind is bigger than we can fathom. Everything is a eternal cycle of being. Has not meaning since it is eternal and unfathomable. Things are created from the unkown.
@vip47287 oke
@vip47287 just because we exist in a very short timeline of all other that exists, does not mean nothing exists.. we do, but not too long
ok if we are for certain not in a simulation then what are we in
What's the point of such a simulation. Is it beneficial to everyone ?(NO) Is it practical for everyone? (NO) Does it help everyone? (NO) Is it meant for everyone? (NO) Does it hold meaning for everyone?(NO)
It's reality, as real as touching something and feelng it, sniffing something and smelling it,listening and hearing something, looking at something and seeing it.
Is there unexplained phenomenon?
( YES) Are there unexplained events?
(YES) THE MATRIX is an idea, nothing more than that. Believe what you may, everyone has their own beliefs. We have no real concrete, written in stone clue on why the human was put here, but here we are.
If you choose to believe your life is a simulation no one can stop you from believing that, just try not to have others persuade you that you see yourself as just a simulated figure in a simulation of what life is.
We are living souls living in what is known to all as life itself.
They just can't let go of materialism. As soon as you accept the idea that reality is information based, then you realise that nothing is sold whatsoever. We just experience it as that via our 5 senses. We have a clue when we look at nature; nature is very efficient, as is evolution, to produce multiple universe takes astronomical amounts of energy whereas a probability based reality would only take a fraction of energy. Therefore which is logically the more efficient. Think of it like this; on a computer video game, the computer only needs to render what we actually see. So, for example, in the game, if we see a person the computer renders the body the face the clothes etc. It does not need to render the brain, the heart, the liver and so on, because we don't need to see all that. Think how much computer power is saved by only rendering what we see. In the many universes idea every reality would have to create every single atom, this is massively inefficient.
So, if we are living in a simulation who, and what are our simulators?
And are they also a simulation?
Does it hurt when you punch yourself in the face
Do you wake up on the side of the road in San Andreas after you die ...
When people live in extreme suffering and pain and these people feel consoled that one day they will die and their suffering and pain will stop, they realized this is not a simulation, it is too real for some people.
5:00 Saying that says maybe there is a God, problem is that "God" might be part of another simulation - one day our computers might become so powerful that we can create artificial worlds where we can play God but then we know that we might be in a simulation as well - all that we see is in a Computer
We wuz particle physicists n' shieeet!
Beautiful conversation
Are we living in a simulation? No.
It's actually a universe, but whatever terms or words you choose to refer to as reality, it is what it is and it does exist... in real time... unless you're a nihilist. That's entirely different though. Word of advice, don't be a nihilist. 😇
Yes, and I don't like it. Can someone please change the simulation to a better one? 😥
I ask my self, simulation maybe the matter, matter will disappear but still reproduce life, life will not disappear is not illusion, is the reason multi-universe are there. In this life and the next one stay in the light.
If we are living in a simulation, are the simulators in a simulation?
If a part of our society has advanced so much farther than other parts, the less advanced can become their biological computers. In my opinion for this to take place you only need some form of communication that is imperceivable. Some of us might notice this and others may not. We would act according to their silent demands and rationalize if the behaviour is out of character. I feel I have been experiencing a lot of this for more than 15 years now. At times I have perceived(heard) the communication and other times not. Or, maybe I just lost my mind, and nobody told me. I think the error in this scenario is that I don't believe we are only our subconcious. Our subconcious is part of our conscious whole. So in essence they would not really be commmunicating with us. But, it would be such a novelty and the ones that can do this would see themselves as special, better, and think they are in fact communicating with the full person without their awareness. I think for us to become a simulation the first thing that needs to go is our memory. Maybe some of us have higher aspirations and want to be godlike.
I do not believe we are living in a simulation because such a thing would be unethical and illegal. Take for instance this old computer game called “Rapelay”. It was a crude game that depicted rape and because of this, the game was banned around the world and it is illegal. We know that the characters in the game have no real feeling but yet the game was unethical because it desensitized rape. Now what if Rapelay had the computing power that would lead to a simulated reality. Wouldn’t that be even more unethical and illegal if the characters in the game could really feel pain and fear? Rape happens all the time all around the world. If we are living in a simulation, the base reality must be populated by evil monsters simulating rape and violence and torture in feeling and conscious beings. Nothing like a simulated reality that included pain, suffering and torture on a global scale would ever be able to be created. At least not by a good, kind and just civilization.
bingo!!!
We might be like lab rats to them. We put lab rats through all kinds of torture.
there are experiments good and bad.
its your genetic program and your estimulos and learning that counts.
Design constraints: can't have good without bad. You can't have left without right.