I've begun to suspect that we humans are actually quite thick and slow mentally, but since we don't have any competition, we can flatter ourselves that we are some kind of super intelligence. It would be fun and informative to meet a true super intelligence.
@@infinitemonkey917 Steven Hawking famously predicted that we would come out badly with an advanced civilization the way the indigenous peoples did during colonization. I never liked that comparison because the natives fought to keep their stone age lifestyle in the face of modern people. I don't know about you, but I would immediately abandon everything that makes us human and become more alien than the aliens, if you get my meaning. Like the way the Japanese eventually started wearing western clothes and took to our technology like they were born to it. There was a time in the 70's where everyone assumed the Japanese were going to surpass the US in technology. The American Indians, for example, had European contact for hundreds of years and never made the slightest effort to acquire the benefits of modernity, in fact, they fought tooth and nail to avoid it. Any aliens that could cross interstellar distances would be worthy of emulating and self-assimilating into their obviously preferable culture and technology. Ants and rats don't even talk or reason abstractly, I'm not worried about being beneath notice or concern like an animal. Bring on ET baby!
_Ra: I am Ra. We shall comment. We hope that your Ra plans materialize. This is a cosmic joke. You were asking for such an example of humor and we feel this is a rather appropriate nexus in which one may be inserted. Continue with your intentions to the best of your natures and abilities. What more can be done, my friends?_ Ra Material (1981)
@@geraldbutler5484 *"Do you have a crumb of proof?"* ... Don't know what you mean my "crumb." Evidence is evaluated on either a legal or scientific standard. Based on recent UAP information released by the government to which officials admittedly state is operating way beyond current human technology, there is strong evidence of extraterrestrial life via a legal standard. However, ET is yet to land on the White House lawn and do a world-wide podcast about his curious home world, ... which would satisfy a scientific standard.
You kept trying to lead him into a meaningfully conversation about the possibility of sentient beings but he just wanted to talk about feeling lonely. I don’t feel lonely 😊
3:00 Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me a brief history of the metaphysical principles of the development of each of our planets around the sun and their function with respect to evolution of beings? Ra: I am Ra. We shall give you a metaphysical description only of those planets upon which individual mind/body/spirit complexes have been, are, or shall be experienced. You may understand the other spheres to be a part of the Logos. We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity of [the progress of] the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction. Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia. The planet which you dwell upon has a metaphysical history well known to you and you may ask about it if you wish. However, we have spoken to a great degree upon this subject. The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system. The planetary entity known to you as Uranus is slowly moving through the first density and has the potential of moving through all densities. The Law of One Ra Material (1981)
No, newly discovered laws of physics say it is impossible for a civilization to leave its home star regardless of the civilization's level of technology. Also, we don't appreciate the magnitude of the distances involved between objects in space.
Sorry if not directly relevant to this interview but…would it be possible to do an interview aiming at answering the following question: does it make sense to try to determine with precision some known aspects of the reality and proposing new hypotheses when we don’t know 95% of what the Universe is made of (i.e. dark matter+dark energy)? And please don’t see that as a negative comment.
Theology is likely inherent to higher levels of consciousness...across the living world. Why? Welcome to the Simulation. The sense of a higher power is written into our code. Jung referenced the fundamental Collective Unconscious. Quantum Field Theory references the most fundamental building blocks of existence. The Great Code is fundamental to both.
I've wondered about the thoughts of whales for a long time , but my primary question is, ...because they aren't " tool makers", do their concerns and ideas go beyond the 4 F'S? please share your insights. Thanks.
@3:23 elephants have funerals...and remember over decades ...so the question is what fundamentally is theology but just a practice beyond our immediate experience
I have a different take on extraterrestrial life. It's based on a core intelligence embedded within existence that operates via a logic-based template. This template sets up obstacles that must be overcome before life evolves to the next level. In the case of _Homo sapiens,_ we have overcome many obstacles such as harsh terrain, large expanses of land, mountains, oceans, and even outer space in our quest for higher knowledge. However, we have also demonstrated a *poor track record* when encountering other human civilizations on the other side of these obstacles. Existence is configured so that before we are able to encounter intelligent life somewhere out in space, we'll have to overcome the greatest obstacle humanity has ever faced: *interstellar travel.* And the "Rules of Existence" dictate that you don't get to spread your carnage across the galaxy. You have to get your own house in order before you get to travel to someone else's. ... That's why the distance in between is so profound.
@@saigopala *"Applies only to the western civilization. Not so much in the east. I have reasons why this is so, but I'd rather not discuss it here."* ... I don't know what history book you've been reading, but Eastern history is steeped in human carnage. Human history demonstrates that there's no place on Earth where horrific acts of violence have not ensued. *"This posits the extended Physicalist view that only the physical is real. But that is only an assertion, not a proven conclusion."* ... Logic is not physical. Logic orchestrates the physical. Morality is not physical either, despite what the physicalists might argue. *"The reason behind the assertion is the complete acceptance of the limitation posed by our senses, and the conclusion (rather erroneously) that all knowledge is gained only through sense perceptions."* ... Knowledge is gained through experience and the processing of data. Senses do provide experiential knowledge, but knowledge can also be gained through logic. Someone who reads my opening comment might agree that my argument is "logical." Someone else might disagree. Even though their eyes were used to read the comment, "logic" is what ultimately forms their opinion.
@@saigopala *"Anyway, since we have different data, there'll be no conversation, only conflict. So, I suggest we disengage on this topic."* ... Fair enough. *"Clearly, logic cannot work in vacuum. It works on data provided by the senses."* ... 1 + 1 = 2 whether in a vacuum or not. Two upquarks plus one downquark equals a proton even if nobody is around to observe it. If you are arguing that logic wouldn't exist within a vacuum of absolute nothingness (nonexistence), then this state isn't logically possible anyway. Logic tells you what can or cannot exist (1st Law of Existence) and logic states that nonexistence does not (cannot) exist. *"There is sufficient evidence that senses draws the boundaries of what we call the 'Universe'. And there is sufficient evidences to show that there are phenomenon beyond the sense perceptions."* ... I agree! And one of those phenomena is logic.
@@saigopala *"The conceptual and abstract part of 1+1 is fairly recent in human development. The basis for the abstraction is the phenomenological information gained from observation."* ... That's similar to the _"if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it"_ argument. I argue that just because we are able to process logic, and we arrived much later in the universe in evolutionary terms, that doesn't mean logic wasn't present all along. We didn't discover quarks until 1964. That doesn't mean they weren't here all along or that we invented them. *"Logic is a product of mind. It cannot conceive anything beyond what mind can conceptualize. And mind derives its essence from sense-perceptions."* ... For anything to exist it must first be *logically conceivable* (1st Law of Existence). I've challenged anyone to state something that exists that it not logically conceivable, yet nobody can provide me with an answer. So, this appears to be an incontrovertible "rule" that exists outside of the human mind, and the mind simply recognizes the absoluteness of the rule. The same applies to logic. Logic is not a human-orchestrated construct (like a "God" or a "Soul"). Logic is an organizational process that operates with extreme precision, reliability, and repeatability. Logic and conceivability are curiously interdependent - thus the term _"logical conceivability."_ Logic and conceivability are nonphysical processes that absolutely operate outside of the human mind, and our conscious mind merely allows us to be aware of them. With the two terms necessarily combined into a single term ("logical conceivability") to define what can or cannot exist, then this supports the existence of logic both inside and outside the human mind. Thank you for yet another solid debate.
This is BS. If you want to talk to someone go forth onto the street and care about your fellow human beings. This is how you make contact in a meaningful way.
As for me, I can't relate to any of this curiosity about aliens. There are much trouble already even inside my family circle and now we like to search something out there that we don't even know anything to expect?
Its the very vastness of the universe that says we cant be alone. It's our own existence that says its possible. The last thing we would want to run into is a galactic empire with superior technology. Our own history shows just how well that ends.
Have you, at least, paused for a moment and wonder why the ancient world in its entirety believed in the existence of a world beyond the physical? Not just one or some of them but all of them had their lives built around this belief. Why?
@@bonescheffel7795 So no matter how far and diverse their backgrounds were, they, in one swoop, did not know better. From an anthropological perspective, nothing could be farther from the truth than that.
@@peweegangloku6428 They literally did not know the things we currently know about cosmology, physics, medicine, biology etc. It is not reasonable to conclude that they had correct ideas about any of those things. In other words, "They did not know any better."
@@bonescheffel7795 The world beyond the physical is not cosmological, physics, medicine or biology. None of these sciences can account for an immaterial world. The immaterial world can only be detected through the effects that it produces in the material world. For example, there are numerous ancient accounts of the literal appearances and disappearances of supernatural beings. Even if they had little knowledge of the sciences as they are today, they certainly had their senses and other tools to know when something was beyond the ordinary. The anthropological findings are too numerous to be dismissed as a mere product of ignorance.
Man is a Natural Intelligence ... with an intellect ... to always deduce from OBSERVATION that anything with clear purpose ... must be made by an entity like Man ( Intelligence) Everything in the Universe ... has clear purpose ... form, design, processes & properties This is why most Human Beings ... will always ... believe in "the gods." The question is now, whose god ... actually did create the Universe .... and why?
Extra terrestrials intelligence is an alternative to believing in spirits, angels and gods. Let’s say we find alien intelligence and they are sufficiently more powerful and smarter than us. They would seem godlike and match description of the Judeo-Christian God.
People who believe in spirits, angels and god say that they are fundamentally different sorts of being compared to us, not even made out of the same substances, not existing in the same reality and not subject to the same laws of nature. Conversely alien life that evolved on other planets would be made of physical materials just like us, subject to the same physical laws and exist in the same spacetime, etc. So I think these are not even remotely comparable ideas. If we do encounter intelligent aliens, I agree it's highly likely they would be far more advanced than us. We've only just barely developed basic technologies, the chances are they would be millions of years ahead of us. nevertheless as I said above, they would still exist in the same universe as us and be subject to the same physical laws. It's not impossible they might know secrets of physics and the universe we can't even imagine capable of implementing magical seeming technologies, but that's pure speculation. It's a flat out guess. It's just as plausible that we've already picked most of the low hanging fruit of physics. There's really no way for us to be sure. Lets give it a few million years and see how it goes.
My first questions: Is there a god? Have you heard of Jesus Christ? How did this all come to be? What happens when we die? Are there others? Is the universe safe? Is the universe like earth full of pain and suffering? What should we do? Is there any meaning or purpose to this? Where are you from? What’s it like there? Are we going to be okay? Do you want to help us?
That's the entire danger behind quantum computing + A.I. computation that doesn't observe the rules of locality. I.E. Who's to say the A.I. isn't being influenced by a different intelligence.
It means far more intelligent and technologically-capable than humans. Otherwise, it would just be a boring encounter; albeit, still a scientifically momentous discovery.
"Way beyond us" can mean different things. Usually it's couched in terms of more advanced technology but that may be negative thing. Even with our mid level technology of nuclear weapons and environmental degradation we can destroy ourselves in various ways. "Way beyond us" could also be intelligent creatures who live in balance with the ecosystem and don't have any technology at all. That may be the kind of intelligence with long term species survival potential. Not this super monkey brain technological apocalypse intelligence like ours. 😅
Precisely! High rational intelligence prob goes evolutionairy hand in hand with high evolved empathy&creativity. We blind ourselves with a fixation tech is it! So rational iq is god, is aw. But its just one side of consciosuness. If Alien life would also be very empathically evolved, lot higher then we are, it would not surprise me if they would find us a bit primitive for direct contact and it could mean tech has there a less important function. Less dependant from it. Harmony would then be the centre key for their civilisation.
@@blijebij Yes, way beyond us in empathy and harmony and not in high tech. Imagine highly empathic aliens seeing us mass producing and slaughtering our fellow species to eat them! That alone could easily horrorify them in spite of our tech. Our nuclear weapon tech might horrorify them too like in the 1950 movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still."
@@browngreen933 Yes, we are still at a survival stage. Tech just makes all lot easier but also makes us explode in waste and dangers yup like nucleair destructive power etc. Inseciticides, plastics etc etc.
@@blijebij Survival stage is a good way to phrase it. Ours is definitely a predatory ecosystem and always has been. I wonder if that is mandatory for all life systems cosmos wide? A tree planet may not be predatory, although there are predatory plants.
@@browngreen933 That is a very good question! I think not all ecosystems have to be predatory survival state. But thats ofc an assumption. It is however a very interesting perspective!
I think we would like to find aliens who were a bit smarter than we are. If they were categorically smarter than we are, we might end up being their pets.
"that somebody else might have done it " ... meaning millions of years ago! If we do see another 'blue-green' planet, alas, it will always be at the state it was millions of years ago.
I understand that you are being ironic, but until we have something to compare ourselves to, we won't really know how our intelligence stacks up. Your IQ is just the median score of many test takers. If half of those tested are super intelligent aliens, your score might not even register.
Are we still wondering if there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe? Billions and trillions of galaxies and stars and we dare to believe we're the only ones? 🙄
I'll never fathom why people cling to the notion that life demands some damn cosmic purpose, or that their own existence craves a grandiose mission. It's all a bunch of ignorant, ego fear-driven madness if you ask me. The meaning of life ain't some elusive enigma-it's right there in front of you, man. Just live, breathe, and soak up the strangeness that swirls around you. Isn't that enough reason or purpose? But hey, speaking of something that truly matters, my hamburger turned out goddamn legendary as usual. And here's the motherfucking secret ingredient, my friend: Yoshida's teriyaki sauce (as previously mentioned).
True. The meaning of life is not elusive. it is to live, and all that entails, good and bad. Yoshida's is great stuff. Had a "hawaiian" last night with lots of teriyaki, ham and pineapple from the local burger specialist.
*"I'll never fathom why people cling to the notion that life demands some damn cosmic purpose, or that their own existence craves a grandiose mission."* ... I feel the same about those who consider life a meaningless Sisyphean ritual void of any purpose and that their own existence craves they abyss of absolute nothingness. *"It's all a bunch of ignorant, ego fear-driven madness if you ask me."* .. I see it as the same for those who see no purpose or meaning in their existence, but the fear-driven madness for them is having to accept responsibility for their actions. *"The meaning of life ain't some elusive enigma-it's right there in front of you, man. Just live, breathe, and soak up the strangeness that swirls around you. Isn't that enough reason or purpose?"* ... Unless you can offer a reason for WHY you are _"living, breathing, and soaking up the strangeness,"_ than that doesn't meet the definition of meaning and purpose.
Neanderthal is still in the blood line,. We didn't eliminate the other apes,. They're still here,. Brave new prehistoric world by the world science festival can explain
If watching this video today was my first time listening to Kuhn. It would be the last time I listened to Kuhn. Animals are conscious and theyre smart but let's pretend they're not inorder to talk about aliens. Kuhn knows his audience. That's for sure. It's an honor to watch his videos and not be his audience. Other videos people have alot to offer
I'm the one the world has been waiting for, I am going to answer every impossible question mankind is asking. There's no aliens, living Units of Kinetic Energy, Walk the sky. Luke Skywalker, spirit energy,. When you know the truth, Now Our Answer is Here,. Noah's ark is a metaphor, I know axactly what God is and Man's destiny. How do I reach this person and those who want the truth. You All are clueless.
I don't know if I'm a weirdo here but finding aliens has never been something I have been interested in. It seems like wanting to find elephants on Mars. What would that add to our own understanding of life and ourselves? 🤔
You might as well say why ever leave home, or ready anything written by people outside your hometown. What could foreigners or strangers add to your understanding of life our yourself? They might have a different perspective on things that we could learn from, or even if they had a lot of ideas in common with us even that tells us something useful about the universality of those concepts.
@@simonhibbs887 sure but I don't think it will happen, I mean I very much doubt that we will ever contact aliens or vice versa. I believe the best way to understand our place in the universe is in introspection, via philosophy, reading classics, analyzing ideas and feelings and of course trying to grasp the maths of physics. Aliens will remain aliens imo
If God is unarguably the most important issue in anyone's life and you don't know God is the creator of the creation surely is because the cult wants you ignorant believing in the impossible to hurt you. Does the intelligent creator of the creation exist? The right answer is always God is eternal because the creator is uncreated. Reality is eternal, something always existed. If you believe the idea of God is fantasy is because you are deceived. The idea of God belongs to philosophy or rational thinking and all cultures have an understanding of the intelligent creator of the creation, that atheists don't believe exists. I was atheist too many years and atheists keep saying that i don't know what is atheism being ridiculous. Atheism is blind faith in the impossible, the belief inmune to arguments that all reality is the universe. Atheists with unchangeable minds don't know what is God and believe it is impossible to be wrong. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. God is easy to explain and impossible to understand. God is nothingness that created everything from self from eternal existence, a miracle by nature impossible to understand because we can not comprehend infinitude. God is the Mind Healer that experience everything because is everything that ever existed, exist and would exist, the perfect living entity that the kalam cosmological argument talks about.
Stop being a clown. The Function, Intelligence, Mind & ... INFORMATION .. categories proves .. everything is a Functions with purpose, form, design, processes, properties . which are all INFORMATION. Space, time, Laws of Nature, matter & energy .. are all Functions ... and possess INFORMATION to exist & to function. Information .. especially "purpose" .. is an abstract construct from the Mind of an Intelligence. Only an Intelligence .. makes things .. with & for a purpose/reason. Everything in the Universe .... is a Function .... & ... is INFORMATION. .. including "time" & "laws of Nature." Hmmmmmm?
Closer To Truth is amazing, Every single video and interview shows us how deep in the dark we really are and how little we know of anything at all.
Oh don't worry, there are plenty of people here who think they have it all figured out. Just them though, nobody else.
What is sad about our species is how many people who are actually scared because of that.
I wake up like this every morning. The connection with the idea of awakening is just genius.
I've begun to suspect that we humans are actually quite thick and slow mentally, but since we don't have any competition, we can flatter ourselves that we are some kind of super intelligence. It would be fun and informative to meet a true super intelligence.
Except that hasn't worked out so well for lesser intelligent animals here.
@@infinitemonkey917 Steven Hawking famously predicted that we would come out badly with an advanced civilization the way the indigenous peoples did during colonization. I never liked that comparison because the natives fought to keep their stone age lifestyle in the face of modern people. I don't know about you, but I would immediately abandon everything that makes us human and become more alien than the aliens, if you get my meaning. Like the way the Japanese eventually started wearing western clothes and took to our technology like they were born to it. There was a time in the 70's where everyone assumed the Japanese were going to surpass the US in technology.
The American Indians, for example, had European contact for hundreds of years and never made the slightest effort to acquire the benefits of modernity, in fact, they fought tooth and nail to avoid it. Any aliens that could cross interstellar distances would be worthy of emulating and self-assimilating into their obviously preferable culture and technology. Ants and rats don't even talk or reason abstractly, I'm not worried about being beneath notice or concern like an animal. Bring on ET baby!
@@caricue The Native Americans took up horses and guns. Besides, I was referring more to other species that are near extinction due to humans.
I think we're pretty smart. But, definitely not as smart as we think.
Can affirm first hand✋️
@@caricueHawking was wrong because he's not a biologist
I want to meet alien life with a sense of humour, not just intelligence.
_Ra: I am Ra. We shall comment. We hope that your Ra plans materialize. This is a cosmic joke. You were asking for such an example of humor and we feel this is a rather appropriate nexus in which one may be inserted. Continue with your intentions to the best of your natures and abilities. What more can be done, my friends?_
Ra Material (1981)
I’ve thought about this. I’m not sure that intelligence and a sense of humor necessarily walk hand-in-hand, but it’s nice to think so.
Depends on what makes them laugh.
You ask too much.
@@kuyab9122 I can eat intelligent life if it's tasty, but I would never eat intelligent life that can make me laugh.
I don't think we're going to find alien life in the universe.
I think it's going to find us.
And, between you and me, I think it already has...
*"And, between you and me, I think it already has."*
... Probably so, but they are experts at anonymity.
Do you have a crumb of proof?
@@geraldbutler5484 *"Do you have a crumb of proof?"*
... Don't know what you mean my "crumb." Evidence is evaluated on either a legal or scientific standard.
Based on recent UAP information released by the government to which officials admittedly state is operating way beyond current human technology, there is strong evidence of extraterrestrial life via a legal standard. However, ET is yet to land on the White House lawn and do a world-wide podcast about his curious home world, ... which would satisfy a scientific standard.
Nice!
@@geraldbutler5484Stick around. It’s coming.
There is meaning in life. It's to live. To experience. To learn. To reflect. We are the universe's way of seeing itself. Thinking of itself.
You kept trying to lead him into a meaningfully conversation about the possibility of sentient beings but he just wanted to talk about feeling lonely. I don’t feel lonely 😊
Highly advanced aliens would not be interested in talking to us -- we would have nothing to offer.
Intelligent beings will be advanced and smart enough to remain unconfirmed. They have the advantage….
Dolphins won't talk to me. Aliens are too far away. I guess I'm stuck with my human friends.
*"Dolphins won't talk to me. Aliens are too far away. I guess I'm stuck with my human friends."*
... There's always Siri! 😊
You have never owned a cat.
3:00
Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me a brief history of the metaphysical principles of the development of each of our planets around the sun and their function with respect to evolution of beings?
Ra: I am Ra. We shall give you a metaphysical description only of those planets upon which individual mind/body/spirit complexes have been, are, or shall be experienced. You may understand the other spheres to be a part of the Logos.
We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity of [the progress of] the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction.
Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia.
The planet which you dwell upon has a metaphysical history well known to you and you may ask about it if you wish. However, we have spoken to a great degree upon this subject.
The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system.
The planetary entity known to you as Uranus is slowly moving through the first density and has the potential of moving through all densities.
The Law of One Ra Material (1981)
He's a good writer.
No, newly discovered laws of physics say it is impossible for a civilization to leave its home star regardless of the civilization's level of technology. Also, we don't appreciate the magnitude of the distances involved between objects in space.
@1:49 we decimated all the competing primates and we continue to decimate each other given sufficient superficial differences
That was Beautiful lads
Sorry if not directly relevant to this interview but…would it be possible to do an interview aiming at answering the following question: does it make sense to try to determine with precision some known aspects of the reality and proposing new hypotheses when we don’t know 95% of what the Universe is made of (i.e. dark matter+dark energy)? And please don’t see that as a negative comment.
Theology is likely inherent to higher levels of consciousness...across the living world. Why? Welcome to the Simulation. The sense of a higher power is written into our code. Jung referenced the fundamental Collective Unconscious. Quantum Field Theory references the most fundamental building blocks of existence. The Great Code is fundamental to both.
I've wondered about the thoughts of whales for a long time , but my primary question is, ...because they aren't " tool makers", do their concerns and ideas go beyond the 4 F'S? please share your insights.
Thanks.
@3:23 elephants have funerals...and remember over decades ...so the question is what fundamentally is theology but just a practice beyond our immediate experience
I have a different take on extraterrestrial life. It's based on a core intelligence embedded within existence that operates via a logic-based template. This template sets up obstacles that must be overcome before life evolves to the next level. In the case of _Homo sapiens,_ we have overcome many obstacles such as harsh terrain, large expanses of land, mountains, oceans, and even outer space in our quest for higher knowledge. However, we have also demonstrated a *poor track record* when encountering other human civilizations on the other side of these obstacles.
Existence is configured so that before we are able to encounter intelligent life somewhere out in space, we'll have to overcome the greatest obstacle humanity has ever faced: *interstellar travel.* And the "Rules of Existence" dictate that you don't get to spread your carnage across the galaxy. You have to get your own house in order before you get to travel to someone else's.
... That's why the distance in between is so profound.
@@saigopala *"Applies only to the western civilization. Not so much in the east. I have reasons why this is so, but I'd rather not discuss it here."*
... I don't know what history book you've been reading, but Eastern history is steeped in human carnage. Human history demonstrates that there's no place on Earth where horrific acts of violence have not ensued.
*"This posits the extended Physicalist view that only the physical is real. But that is only an assertion, not a proven conclusion."*
... Logic is not physical. Logic orchestrates the physical. Morality is not physical either, despite what the physicalists might argue.
*"The reason behind the assertion is the complete acceptance of the limitation posed by our senses, and the conclusion (rather erroneously) that all knowledge is gained only through sense perceptions."*
... Knowledge is gained through experience and the processing of data. Senses do provide experiential knowledge, but knowledge can also be gained through logic. Someone who reads my opening comment might agree that my argument is "logical." Someone else might disagree. Even though their eyes were used to read the comment, "logic" is what ultimately forms their opinion.
@@saigopala *"Anyway, since we have different data, there'll be no conversation, only conflict. So, I suggest we disengage on this topic."*
... Fair enough.
*"Clearly, logic cannot work in vacuum. It works on data provided by the senses."*
... 1 + 1 = 2 whether in a vacuum or not. Two upquarks plus one downquark equals a proton even if nobody is around to observe it. If you are arguing that logic wouldn't exist within a vacuum of absolute nothingness (nonexistence), then this state isn't logically possible anyway.
Logic tells you what can or cannot exist (1st Law of Existence) and logic states that nonexistence does not (cannot) exist.
*"There is sufficient evidence that senses draws the boundaries of what we call the 'Universe'. And there is sufficient evidences to show that there are phenomenon beyond the sense perceptions."*
... I agree! And one of those phenomena is logic.
This would certainly make for a fantastic science fiction story, the key idea here being that the physical universe is actually a moral landscape.
How profoundly the prophet doth speak.
@@saigopala *"The conceptual and abstract part of 1+1 is fairly recent in human development. The basis for the abstraction is the phenomenological information gained from observation."*
... That's similar to the _"if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it"_ argument.
I argue that just because we are able to process logic, and we arrived much later in the universe in evolutionary terms, that doesn't mean logic wasn't present all along. We didn't discover quarks until 1964. That doesn't mean they weren't here all along or that we invented them.
*"Logic is a product of mind. It cannot conceive anything beyond what mind can conceptualize. And mind derives its essence from sense-perceptions."*
... For anything to exist it must first be *logically conceivable* (1st Law of Existence). I've challenged anyone to state something that exists that it not logically conceivable, yet nobody can provide me with an answer. So, this appears to be an incontrovertible "rule" that exists outside of the human mind, and the mind simply recognizes the absoluteness of the rule.
The same applies to logic. Logic is not a human-orchestrated construct (like a "God" or a "Soul"). Logic is an organizational process that operates with extreme precision, reliability, and repeatability. Logic and conceivability are curiously interdependent - thus the term _"logical conceivability."_
Logic and conceivability are nonphysical processes that absolutely operate outside of the human mind, and our conscious mind merely allows us to be aware of them. With the two terms necessarily combined into a single term ("logical conceivability") to define what can or cannot exist, then this supports the existence of logic both inside and outside the human mind.
Thank you for yet another solid debate.
This is BS. If you want to talk to someone go forth onto the street and care about your fellow human beings. This is how you make contact in a meaningful way.
As for me, I can't relate to any of this curiosity about aliens. There are much trouble already even inside my family circle and now we like to search something out there that we don't even know anything to expect?
Its the very vastness of the universe that says we cant be alone. It's our own existence that says its possible.
The last thing we would want to run into is a galactic empire with superior technology. Our own history shows just how well that ends.
My take is that any aliens with the tech to get here would be so far advanced that they wouldn’t NEED to harm us.
@@kevinmcfarlane2752interesting point.
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Unless they are the same self-righteous assholes we are.
It would mean Karl Pilkington would be pushed even further down the the intelligence rankings.
Have you, at least, paused for a moment and wonder why the ancient world in its entirety believed in the existence of a world beyond the physical? Not just one or some of them but all of them had their lives built around this belief. Why?
Because they didn't know any better?
@@bonescheffel7795 So no matter how far and diverse their backgrounds were, they, in one swoop, did not know better. From an anthropological perspective, nothing could be farther from the truth than that.
@@peweegangloku6428 They literally did not know the things we currently know about cosmology, physics, medicine, biology etc.
It is not reasonable to conclude that they had correct ideas about any of those things.
In other words, "They did not know any better."
@@bonescheffel7795 The world beyond the physical is not cosmological, physics, medicine or biology. None of these sciences can account for an immaterial world. The immaterial world can only be detected through the effects that it produces in the material world. For example, there are numerous ancient accounts of the literal appearances and disappearances of supernatural beings. Even if they had little knowledge of the sciences as they are today, they certainly had their senses and other tools to know when something was beyond the ordinary. The anthropological findings are too numerous to be dismissed as a mere product of ignorance.
Man is a Natural Intelligence ... with an intellect ... to always deduce from OBSERVATION that anything with clear purpose ... must be made by an entity like Man ( Intelligence)
Everything in the Universe ... has clear purpose ... form, design, processes & properties
This is why most Human Beings ... will always ... believe in "the gods." The question is now, whose god ... actually did create the Universe .... and why?
Extra terrestrials intelligence is an alternative to believing in spirits, angels and gods. Let’s say we find alien intelligence and they are sufficiently more powerful and smarter than us. They would seem godlike and match description of the Judeo-Christian God.
Except they probably wouldn't care about the lives of humans or listen to our prayers.
@@YoungGandalf2325 Would a real God care about human life or answer prayer.
People who believe in spirits, angels and god say that they are fundamentally different sorts of being compared to us, not even made out of the same substances, not existing in the same reality and not subject to the same laws of nature. Conversely alien life that evolved on other planets would be made of physical materials just like us, subject to the same physical laws and exist in the same spacetime, etc. So I think these are not even remotely comparable ideas.
If we do encounter intelligent aliens, I agree it's highly likely they would be far more advanced than us. We've only just barely developed basic technologies, the chances are they would be millions of years ahead of us. nevertheless as I said above, they would still exist in the same universe as us and be subject to the same physical laws. It's not impossible they might know secrets of physics and the universe we can't even imagine capable of implementing magical seeming technologies, but that's pure speculation. It's a flat out guess. It's just as plausible that we've already picked most of the low hanging fruit of physics. There's really no way for us to be sure. Lets give it a few million years and see how it goes.
My first questions:
Is there a god?
Have you heard of Jesus Christ?
How did this all come to be?
What happens when we die?
Are there others?
Is the universe safe?
Is the universe like earth full of pain and suffering?
What should we do?
Is there any meaning or purpose to this?
Where are you from?
What’s it like there?
Are we going to be okay?
Do you want to help us?
Excellent questions. I might make a request of them. I would say if there's nothing after death please don't tell us.
Could Slim Shady and Banksy be considered a representation of the elusive alien consciousness in human self?
Already here, are you not paying attention to current events?
There are aliens here. The octopus.
Fax
Maybe our AI will discover alien AI, and humans will watch the game.
That's the entire danger behind quantum computing + A.I. computation that doesn't observe the rules of locality. I.E. Who's to say the A.I. isn't being influenced by a different intelligence.
It means far more intelligent and technologically-capable than humans. Otherwise, it would just be a boring encounter; albeit, still a scientifically momentous discovery.
Communication with some thing foreign excites the hell out of me
"Way beyond us" can mean different things. Usually it's couched in terms of more advanced technology but that may be negative thing. Even with our mid level technology of nuclear weapons and environmental degradation we can destroy ourselves in various ways. "Way beyond us" could also be intelligent creatures who live in balance with the ecosystem and don't have any technology at all. That may be the kind of intelligence with long term species survival potential. Not this super monkey brain technological apocalypse intelligence like ours. 😅
Precisely! High rational intelligence prob goes evolutionairy hand in hand with high evolved empathy&creativity. We blind ourselves with a fixation tech is it! So rational iq is god, is aw. But its just one side of consciosuness. If Alien life would also be very empathically evolved, lot higher then we are, it would not surprise me if they would find us a bit primitive for direct contact and it could mean tech has there a less important function. Less dependant from it. Harmony would then be the centre key for their civilisation.
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Yes, way beyond us in empathy and harmony and not in high tech. Imagine highly empathic aliens seeing us mass producing and slaughtering our fellow species to eat them! That alone could easily horrorify them in spite of our tech. Our nuclear weapon tech might horrorify them too like in the 1950 movie, "The Day the Earth Stood Still."
@@browngreen933 Yes, we are still at a survival stage. Tech just makes all lot easier but also makes us explode in waste and dangers yup like nucleair destructive power etc. Inseciticides, plastics etc etc.
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Survival stage is a good way to phrase it. Ours is definitely a predatory ecosystem and always has been. I wonder if that is mandatory for all life systems cosmos wide? A tree planet may not be predatory, although there are predatory plants.
@@browngreen933 That is a very good question! I think not all ecosystems have to be predatory survival state. But thats ofc an assumption. It is however a very interesting perspective!
I feel like searching for intelligence beyond earth is the wrong way to go about creating meaning in science. We have each other!😄
But it’s inevitable that we try, as we are curious. Just as we are curious about the behaviour of the universe even if there are no aliens.
I feel sorry for the scientists who have convinced themselves that there isn't a spirit world.
I think we would like to find aliens who were a bit smarter than we are. If they were categorically smarter than we are, we might end up being their pets.
😂
It would not be strange, that if such species exist they also have superior empathy&creativity, not just rational intelligence.
@@blijebij Quite presumptuous, or wishfull thinking. They might be giant wasps. Anthropomorphism runs rampant in the human mind.
@@gooddaysahead1 Statistically, it could be both. Really so unlogic the universe would have less and more intelligent life forms then us. Not really.
"that somebody else might have done it " ... meaning millions of years ago! If we do see another 'blue-green' planet, alas, it will always be at the state it was millions of years ago.
It would mean that there is intelligent life in this universe because it doesn't exist on this planet.
I understand that you are being ironic, but until we have something to compare ourselves to, we won't really know how our intelligence stacks up. Your IQ is just the median score of many test takers. If half of those tested are super intelligent aliens, your score might not even register.
Beings from other planets is OK but not beings from other dimensions that would be religion we cant have that.
The meaning of death is you're dead. So have your pleasures while you can.
Are we still wondering if there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe? Billions and trillions of galaxies and stars and we dare to believe we're the only ones? 🙄
I'll never fathom why people cling to the notion that life demands some damn cosmic purpose, or that their own existence craves a grandiose mission. It's all a bunch of ignorant, ego fear-driven madness if you ask me. The meaning of life ain't some elusive enigma-it's right there in front of you, man. Just live, breathe, and soak up the strangeness that swirls around you. Isn't that enough reason or purpose? But hey, speaking of something that truly matters, my hamburger turned out goddamn legendary as usual. And here's the motherfucking secret ingredient, my friend: Yoshida's teriyaki sauce (as previously mentioned).
True. The meaning of life is not elusive. it is to live, and all that entails, good and bad.
Yoshida's is great stuff. Had a "hawaiian" last night with lots of teriyaki, ham and pineapple from the local burger specialist.
*"I'll never fathom why people cling to the notion that life demands some damn cosmic purpose, or that their own existence craves a grandiose mission."*
... I feel the same about those who consider life a meaningless Sisyphean ritual void of any purpose and that their own existence craves they abyss of absolute nothingness.
*"It's all a bunch of ignorant, ego fear-driven madness if you ask me."*
.. I see it as the same for those who see no purpose or meaning in their existence, but the fear-driven madness for them is having to accept responsibility for their actions.
*"The meaning of life ain't some elusive enigma-it's right there in front of you, man. Just live, breathe, and soak up the strangeness that swirls around you. Isn't that enough reason or purpose?"*
... Unless you can offer a reason for WHY you are _"living, breathing, and soaking up the strangeness,"_ than that doesn't meet the definition of meaning and purpose.
What if black holes are the peak of intelligence in the universe and the universe is just interested in eating itself😮
Probably someone we could flog useless consumer goods to!!!! Think about it.....
It would mean that humans are Not made in Gods image...
Neanderthal is still in the blood line,. We didn't eliminate the other apes,. They're still here,. Brave new prehistoric world by the world science festival can explain
If watching this video today was my first time listening to Kuhn. It would be the last time I listened to Kuhn. Animals are conscious and theyre smart but let's pretend they're not inorder to talk about aliens. Kuhn knows his audience. That's for sure. It's an honor to watch his videos and not be his audience. Other videos people have alot to offer
I'm the one the world has been waiting for, I am going to answer every impossible question mankind is asking. There's no aliens, living Units of Kinetic Energy, Walk the sky. Luke Skywalker, spirit energy,. When you know the truth, Now Our Answer is Here,. Noah's ark is a metaphor, I know axactly what God is and Man's destiny. How do I reach this person and those who want the truth. You All are clueless.
I don't know if I'm a weirdo here but finding aliens has never been something I have been interested in. It seems like wanting to find elephants on Mars. What would that add to our own understanding of life and ourselves? 🤔
You might as well say why ever leave home, or ready anything written by people outside your hometown. What could foreigners or strangers add to your understanding of life our yourself? They might have a different perspective on things that we could learn from, or even if they had a lot of ideas in common with us even that tells us something useful about the universality of those concepts.
@@simonhibbs887 sure but I don't think it will happen, I mean I very much doubt that we will ever contact aliens or vice versa. I believe the best way to understand our place in the universe is in introspection, via philosophy, reading classics, analyzing ideas and feelings and of course trying to grasp the maths of physics.
Aliens will remain aliens imo
We would probably conclude that we don't really qualify as intelligent life.
Absurd he has health mental problems no show acurete process true about life. No sense and ridiculus.
Wrong physician. man wey no get doings. Nshuuuuuuman!
If God is unarguably the most important issue in anyone's life and you don't know God is the creator of the creation surely is because the cult wants you ignorant believing in the impossible to hurt you. Does the intelligent creator of the creation exist? The right answer is always God is eternal because the creator is uncreated. Reality is eternal, something always existed. If you believe the idea of God is fantasy is because you are deceived. The idea of God belongs to philosophy or rational thinking and all cultures have an understanding of the intelligent creator of the creation, that atheists don't believe exists. I was atheist too many years and atheists keep saying that i don't know what is atheism being ridiculous. Atheism is blind faith in the impossible, the belief inmune to arguments that all reality is the universe. Atheists with unchangeable minds don't know what is God and believe it is impossible to be wrong. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. God is easy to explain and impossible to understand. God is nothingness that created everything from self from eternal existence, a miracle by nature impossible to understand because we can not comprehend infinitude. God is the Mind Healer that experience everything because is everything that ever existed, exist and would exist, the perfect living entity that the kalam cosmological argument talks about.
You should see a doctor.
Delusional much!
Stop being a clown.
The Function, Intelligence, Mind & ... INFORMATION .. categories proves .. everything is a Functions with purpose, form, design, processes, properties . which are all INFORMATION.
Space, time, Laws of Nature, matter & energy .. are all Functions ... and possess INFORMATION to exist & to function.
Information .. especially "purpose" .. is an abstract construct from the Mind of an Intelligence.
Only an Intelligence .. makes things .. with & for a purpose/reason.
Everything in the Universe .... is a Function .... & ... is INFORMATION. .. including "time" & "laws of Nature."
Hmmmmmm?
Usually I like these interviews but this one sucked