Glad to see Kuhn demo partnership working out great for you guys. You are a good spokesman for them. Now just need to see you at some farm shows with them.
Nice work Ryan...That machine works slick.. I've been dismissing the idea, but I definitely could fit that machine in my operation after watching this video...
I can easily see this being one of the next (and more valuable) investments for the farm. The benefit here is that you are able to really wrap any quantity of bales, at any location. You could drop the same money on a very basic shed, but with this thing you can move it where you want, you don't have to worry about it being damaged in a high-wind storm, and there really isnt a limit to how many bales this can "store" vs a shed. Plus, if your dad or Travis wanted to use it, they could. They just need the wrap. Bumper crop harvest? Perfect, grab an extra roll. It's almost impossible to NOT be able to store every bale you make safely from the weather. Plus, if you wrap right after baling, you can make silage quality hay out of the bales, which also means you can afford to bale at a % or 2 higher moisture. So yea, I can understand why you want one Ryan. Lol thanks for the video! Loving the Top Gun fly-bys with the drone!
A friend where I work/help part-time use his to wrap straw as well (both round and large-square). He doesn't have the infrastructure to shelter any, plus, it's all surplus hay and straw which he sells in the winter. This gives him the leisure of not having to move the crop back to it's main farm and leaves everything on location where it was made/cropped. It was originally bought for silage, but in time he tried dry-stock and works very well, as long as it's very dry.
awsome video ryan i remeber you talking about getting a wrapper for th bales to try it out awhile back and now you have one to try it out this will help you out alot in the long run thumbs up and shared
Good wrapping idea. Looks like it would be worth owning. I like that it wrapped them all together. Less wrapping and more airtight. Advantages if wrapping is higher quality of hay and the hay doesn't have to be as dry. Need no building for storage.
With dry, cured hay, hay quality can be maintained throughout the year and over winter. high moisture hay could be ensiled (ensilage) and gain feed quality, like it would in a Harvestore with much less investment in facilities. The main disadvantage I see would be the disposal of the wrap as the hay is fed. Also you would not need to use net wrap just wrap the bales with string again.
Hi Ryan. That Kuhn wrapper looks pretty good. Having tube wrapped a lot of silage bales I would say that 8 layers is over kill too keep hay dry. Four would probably work fine with a big saving on film.
Ryan alluded to one of the advantages of using a wrapper is that you can bale hay with higher moisture content. In fact, if you do it right you get high-quality silage bales. Does requirer some coordination as the bales must be wrapped as they are baled.
Looks like a great tool to have to keep your hay in great shape and to feed your herd tip top alfalfa. Looks like you could do some custom work with it too pay it off faster.
Have made a lot of hay over the years, never liked wrapping dry bales. To much molding when wrapped. Wrapping 50 to 60 percent moisture hay however makes excellent silage bales. Wrapping is designed for high moisture hay. Great demo though, always liked KUHN equipment.
Exactly... wow 60%?? Practically juice running out the bottom?? LOL:) What size? Could you even pick up a 5x6 bale at that moisture? I ask out of curiosity; I've read about it and studied it and I thought 35-50% was really the moisture you aimed for, with about 40-45% being ideal... read you can get "too wet" and have problems too with rot because the yeasts cannot ferment it properly and generate enough acetic acid and alcohol to preserve the hay... Later! OL J R :)
My grandmother always called these Wonder Bread loafs. All they need is the colored spots. Now if they were individually wrapped bails then I would call them marshmallows.
Nice machine! I was wondering if sometime you could create a cost analysis video on your hay product? I think that’d be interesting to see all the numbers that go into making a bale of hay!
Cool tool. Curious on the pros of wrapping vs increased covered storage of unwrapped bales? Is this lower capex (or something to get done custom, so no capex) vs more shed space? How's the feed quality of wrapped vs dry covered storage compare in the middle of winter? (It seems pretty apparent that either is better than bales out in the open.) How much is the benefit being able to wrap not ideally dry bales, as you alluded to toward the end (vs covered storage)? Not a farmer, but I find it a fascinating business as there are a myriad of choices each farmer must make for their unique operation.
If its baled with more moisture and wrapped right after its baled it will turn into silage bales and be some good feed but idk how wet this hay was but it will still be in better condition than bales that have set outside all winter when u go to feed it later that year
Wrapping bales is generally done more for high moisture bales to create silage. Usually wrap straight after baling. The hay then ferments in the wrap giving a high quality feed. So its not so much of a storage solution normally rather part of the feed production process
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Wrapping is best done for making balage, that is, silage bales... hay is baled at about 30-40% moisture (50% but that gets awfully heavy, 30% is basically a "hard stop" on the low end-- 33-35% is a safer number-- you have to have enough moisture for the hay to actually FERMENT in the bag-- yeasts convert part of the sugar in the plants into carbon dioxide, acetic acid, and alcohol, which preserves the forage and prevents it from rotting or decaying due to the action of anaerobic bacteria, which cannot live in the alcohol and low pH conditions caused by the acetic acid (essentially, vinegar). Wrapping dry hay causes a layer of mildew or mold on the outer surface of the bales, because the bales cannot "breathe" and the plastic is exposed to both the sun and the cold wind in cooler weather. Bales ALWAYS have a certain amount of moisture in them-- dry hay is typically baled below 20% moisture, with about 15-17% being ideal, and lower moisture certainly acceptable but the hay starts getting VERY brittle and chaffy and losing dry matter easily at lower moisture when baled due to leaf shatter. Of course anything upwards of about 20% moisture will heat up due to bacterial activity in the hay, and at about 25% you run the risk of spontaneous combustion. At any rate, hay that is properly cured and baled as "dry hay" will go through a 'sweat' which is directly proportional in amount of heat and duration to the moisture content when it was baled, ie the wetter the hotter it will get and the longer it will stay hot. Then the hay naturally cools down after this "sweat" period, which usually only lasts a few days to a week or so. Anyway, the hay will be stable after the sweat and cool down, BUT it will still have a certain amount of moisture in it that naturally 'breathes' to the atmosphere-- in dry low humidity conditions moisture will escape to the air, and in hot, moist, humid conditions, bales can actually pick up some moisture from the air even sitting inside. When dry hay is wrapped in plastic, which is nonpermeable, it is "sealed off" from the air, so the moisture in the hay is trapped in inside the plastic. As the sun heats the plastic, the hay is heated inside the plastic and some of that moisture is driven out of the hay, and the humidity inside the plastic SOARS. Then at night or with cooler temperatures, the moisture in the plastic condenses out on the inner surface of the plastic which is of course against the outside layer of hay, and this concentrated wetness or moisture causes fungal and bacterial growth, leading to a layer of mildew, mold, and rather rotty hay. It doesn't extend very deep into the bale-- usually only the outermost layer, but it's enough to really look like crap and it IS inedible or practically so. That's why it's best to store dry hay inside a shed where it can breathe if one wants to cut weathering losses to the bare minimum. Tarping bales can cause the same sorts of problems with molding or mildew of the outside, if the tarps contact the bales DIRECTLY... why some guys put spikes through some 2x4's and put them down the top and sides of the bales, to keep the tarps from directly contacting the bale, which creates an air gap between the tarp and the bale surface because the boards are holding the tarp up a bit off the bale-- any moisture condensing on the inner surface of the tarp can then run down the tarp and drip onto the ground, OR it can evaporate into the air in the gap, which is usually exchanged with outside air as the breeze blows under the tarp or around the ends, allowing the humid air to escape taking the moisture away. SO usually you don't see dry hay wrapped in sheet plastic like that. Depending on the local conditions, storing hay outside isn't terrible, for use the winter following baling... The biggest problem in most areas isn't with water infiltrating the bale (which CAN be a problem on legume hay or very coarse grass hays like sorghum sudan with large stems-- fine grass hay creates it's own "thatch roof" where MOST of the rainfall simply runs off the outside of the round bales-- legumes like alfalfa have larger stems and lobe-shaped leaves rather than long slender leaves like grasses, which allows more water to infiltrate the bale, since it doesn't run off as readily and has larger pore spaces in the bale, and coarse grass stems like sorghum-sudan again have larger pore spaces allowing water to infiltrate further into the bale.) On clay type soils or areas that receive a lot of rainfall, (or both), soil moisture can easily wick up into the bale out of the soil where the hay is in direct contact with the soil, keeping the bottoms of the bale wet and causing rot. This type of damage can be pretty easily minimized or eliminated through careful site selection for storing hay (on a terrace or levee or raised ground on high ground, preferably with sandy soil), putting down a layer of coarse stone or gravel or rip-rap to hold the bales up off the ground, and allow air to infiltrate into the space between rocks or stones, and/or storing the hay up on pairs of utility poles, or on plastic or wood pallets, old tires, etc. whatever can raise the bales up out of direct contact with the soil surface. Later! OL J R :)
Hi Ryan, Was wondering with the cost of the machine plus the yearly cost of the plastic, would it not be more cost effective to put up another pole shed for the hay storage instead?
It may, but from my position, I can't build on the farms myself unless I do it with cash. That's one of my current dilemmas on where to spend the next $40K
@@HowFarmsWork $40k on machine plus wrap, which requires yearly rolls of wrap and upkeep of machine good for so long VS pole shed which is longer term and increased farm value. If done with cattle, you'll have shed. Toss up depending on farm/ranch operation.
@@BWYinYang Your not going to build much of a shed for 40K today. Where the wrapper shines is the ability to wrap wet and improve nutrition, this is an afterthought.
Other than for demonstration purposes I'm not sure I understand why you wrapped bales that had already cured? I'm guessing you could have used the demo baler and put up new bales at 30-40% moisture and had some baleage for your cows. Good video and the wrapper does look to be built well. Perhaps Kuhn can let you talk about who should be looking to purchase one of these machines vs number of bales that make it break even on cost?
Spot on Ryan. The wrapped bales should last years like that. Do you recycle plastic wrap in the states. It hasn't been to successful over here simply because of volume and handling it at the end.
Wonder if this method is cost effective compared to building a structure for storage? Wind won't blow these away as it might a shelter. I guess spend the money on a smaller shelter for the machine. ;)
Hello Ryan, greetings, I'm Jorge, I'm from Colombia, the technology with which you preserve food for cattle is incredible. I wanted to ask you something ¿in the United States, where can I buy the plastic to wrap hay bales?. We have a bale wrapper kuhn model rw 1110. Thank you very much.I hope your answer.
Uses less plastic than an individual bale wrapper, and usually less damage to the bales from plastic punctures... BUT you basically can't move the bales until you use them. Later! OL J R :)
Hi Ryan 😀 we wrap most of the round bales we use individually In Ireland down at 50% dry matter ( cut the day before and baled with out tedding ) You can get away with 70% dry matter for wrapping which will make very good hayliage ( not quite hay but very good feed for cows )
Something I never hear talked about? Is that wrap actually plastic or is it the same as the mulch made from corn starch that can be put on the ground to prohibit weed growth in a garden and biodegrade over time? If it is plastic why am I recycling and trying to do the right thing and farmers are throwing away rolls of plastic each year into the landfill? What happened to haylage or corn silage in a reusable silo?
I wrap around 800 dry bales a year I put between 18 & 20 wraps on. never have any mold. a lot of people don't put enough on and that's why it molds. that's on a 4 foot wide bale. if your bales are 5 feet wide I would put around 25 wraps
If a lot of hay ground got plowed up and planted to corn, yes. Haven't kept up with the acreage reports, so I don't know if that happened or not. Drought and weather are the biggest drivers of hay prices not necessarily the corn price. Of course numbers of livestock is THE biggest driver of hay prices (demand), next to drought or weather problems limiting supply... Later! OL J R : )
Some locales it's prohibitive to build permanent shelters or sheds due to the tax implications. Around here guys are now using "fabric structures" on concrete waste-blocks instead of pole barns since they're "tents" not buildings. My brother has a "tent" for hay that's 80 feet clear-span by 210 feet that he can drive a stacker-wagon into and unload small square bales with plenty of headroom ...but it's NOT a taxable building.
Yes property taxes on farm sheds and barns are definitely something to consider before building one, as some areas tax them quite substantially. Of course the cost of all that plastic isn't trivial either... and handling and disposing of it as well. Later! OL J R :)
I think it's a great solution. And it uses less wrap than competitors. Now the pole shed is empty the new crop can go in there. Yes you have the shed that fell over, and land to build another, but you have to lay that out and have extra if there are complications. By financing it you can stretch your dollars and keep your cash. It might even help your brother on his hay production. How is it transported on the farm, lay down trailer or low boy? From farm to farm. Marshmallow comment. Those are vegan marshmallows!
burn pile LOL:) Either that or let it blow on the neighbors (my BIL's) place like his neighbors do LOL:) Recycling usually don't want it because of the contaminants (hay and mold stuck to it, nobody is cleaning that crap off!) Later! OL J R :)
Only thing missing is a foot stand so you don't have to walk next to it when moving it around other than that it's cool you need one then rent it out to local farmers
Could you buy it and market it as a contractor to other farms in the area? Charge a per bale fee to wrap, with a set minimum, as a part of your side business.
If bales are wrapped properly they should be airtight and get no mould at all. Would you ever consider making bale silage as it has far more nutritional value than hay and you don’t need to wait for the grass to dry as long
Most fun any idot brick thrower could have in a hay field. Now your ready for 3rd crop. If deer get smart, go to the barber shop and spread hair around the perimeter.
Does Kuhn not want to show the world how the wrap begins on a bale? Guessing you have to pin the first wraps to the bale for friction to start working. I have to say though if you had one it would make sense to feed it off the bale wagon, otherwise a progressive u it that can pick feed itself down a line is more practical.
Fancy driving with that drone buddy !
Glad to see Kuhn demo partnership working out great for you guys. You are a good spokesman for them. Now just need to see you at some farm shows with them.
theyre great company. we use alot of their cattle equipment and mowers.
I’m liking the new drone!
How nice of Kuhn
Nice work Ryan...That machine works slick.. I've been dismissing the idea, but I definitely could fit that machine in my operation after watching this video...
I can easily see this being one of the next (and more valuable) investments for the farm. The benefit here is that you are able to really wrap any quantity of bales, at any location. You could drop the same money on a very basic shed, but with this thing you can move it where you want, you don't have to worry about it being damaged in a high-wind storm, and there really isnt a limit to how many bales this can "store" vs a shed. Plus, if your dad or Travis wanted to use it, they could. They just need the wrap. Bumper crop harvest? Perfect, grab an extra roll. It's almost impossible to NOT be able to store every bale you make safely from the weather. Plus, if you wrap right after baling, you can make silage quality hay out of the bales, which also means you can afford to bale at a % or 2 higher moisture. So yea, I can understand why you want one Ryan. Lol thanks for the video! Loving the Top Gun fly-bys with the drone!
Very useful design that makes one consider the price of a barn vs wrapping bales
Great video Ryan!!!! Glad you got your hay finally up. Still got to cut 2cd cut at my farm. Nothing but rain for 2 weeks.
WOW, hats off to KUHN & to you
Now that was a cool, tool.
A long tube or individually wrapped, at least it's not getting beat up by the weather.
Great video.
Very satisfying to watch
Where you see the most benefit to a wrapper is silage bales. That makes great quality feed.
Great video!! I used to run a single bale rapper,I always enjoyed watching bales get wrapped.
Looks like a nice wrapper. Has a lot of Anderson's influence looks like. I really like the pusher bar system and the digital controller.
Amazing. Fascinating. Thanks Ryan for another exceptionally educational, informational video provided with great audio and video. Well done again.
Nice drone work, great flying!
Time to buy a wrapper
Another awesome video, great learning tool for those of us who don’t farm…thanks
A friend where I work/help part-time use his to wrap straw as well (both round and large-square). He doesn't have the infrastructure to shelter any, plus, it's all surplus hay and straw which he sells in the winter. This gives him the leisure of not having to move the crop back to it's main farm and leaves everything on location where it was made/cropped. It was originally bought for silage, but in time he tried dry-stock and works very well, as long as it's very dry.
Who needs Santa? Not Ryan, he's got Kuhn bringing by presents all the time!
Really find the tech and equipment available to the ag community quite interesting. Another good one Ryan. Thanks
awsome video ryan i remeber you talking about getting a wrapper for th bales to try it out awhile back and now you have one to try it out this will help you out alot in the long run thumbs up and shared
"That's a wrap"... haha Ryan made a funny!
That's a wrap. Love the pun.
Pretty kool machine I don't blame ya for wanting one as long as the pros out weight the cons
Ryan tried to see how many people he could make throw up while piloting the drone. Great video as usual.
I loved the zoom around with the drone😍
Hey Ryan looks like the wrapper done a great job. The drone footage was great. Hope you guys have a great rest of the week 👍
Great drone shots 😃
Good wrapping idea. Looks like it would be worth owning. I like that it wrapped them all together. Less wrapping and more airtight. Advantages if wrapping is higher quality of hay and the hay doesn't have to be as dry. Need no building for storage.
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Interesting vid. Thank you.
Seems like a great low cost alternative to a new pole shed.
If you hire someone to wrap yes, but not purchasing one which only use once a season a year, much like combine.
I would rather have one compared to a shed because you can make silage bales.
With dry, cured hay, hay quality can be maintained throughout the year and over winter. high moisture hay could be ensiled (ensilage) and gain feed quality, like it would in a Harvestore with much less investment in facilities. The main disadvantage I see would be the disposal of the wrap as the hay is fed. Also you would not need to use net wrap just wrap the bales with string again.
Hi Ryan. That Kuhn wrapper looks pretty good. Having tube wrapped a lot of silage bales I would say that 8 layers is over kill too keep hay dry. Four would probably work fine with a big saving on film.
Love the smell of a wrapped bale being fed, now if someone could make an air freshener!
Is it similar to silage? I love the smell of silage.
@@jeffc6268 yes
Whipping the hell outta that drone! Awesome vid!
Great vid! Wrapped bales were the best hay on our farm in wa. State.well worth the time
Ryan alluded to one of the advantages of using a wrapper is that you can bale hay with higher moisture content. In fact, if you do it right you get high-quality silage bales. Does requirer some coordination as the bales must be wrapped as they are baled.
Good job Ryan keep it up
That wrapper is very nice👍😁 I think it is even better than a wrapper that wraps just one bale at a time😉👍
Awesome video again👍👍
Great How Farms Work, thanks for sharing
Looks like a great tool to have to keep your hay in great shape and to feed your herd tip top alfalfa. Looks like you could do some custom work with it too pay it off faster.
Have made a lot of hay over the years, never liked wrapping dry bales. To much molding when wrapped. Wrapping 50 to 60 percent moisture hay however makes excellent silage bales. Wrapping is designed for high moisture hay.
Great demo though, always liked KUHN equipment.
Exactly... wow 60%?? Practically juice running out the bottom?? LOL:) What size? Could you even pick up a 5x6 bale at that moisture? I ask out of curiosity; I've read about it and studied it and I thought 35-50% was really the moisture you aimed for, with about 40-45% being ideal... read you can get "too wet" and have problems too with rot because the yeasts cannot ferment it properly and generate enough acetic acid and alcohol to preserve the hay...
Later! OL J R :)
Very good 👍👍👍
Nice way to keep the hay dry
My grandmother always called these Wonder Bread loafs. All they need is the colored spots.
Now if they were individually wrapped bails then I would call them marshmallows.
Nice machine! I was wondering if sometime you could create a cost analysis video on your hay product? I think that’d be interesting to see all the numbers that go into making a bale of hay!
It would be cool to see the finances of the hay they do.
have you seen the new baler and rapper all in one operation, it's great
That’s a really slick machine, an that’s a wrap for today folks 🤣😂
Cool tool. Curious on the pros of wrapping vs increased covered storage of unwrapped bales? Is this lower capex (or something to get done custom, so no capex) vs more shed space? How's the feed quality of wrapped vs dry covered storage compare in the middle of winter? (It seems pretty apparent that either is better than bales out in the open.) How much is the benefit being able to wrap not ideally dry bales, as you alluded to toward the end (vs covered storage)? Not a farmer, but I find it a fascinating business as there are a myriad of choices each farmer must make for their unique operation.
If its baled with more moisture and wrapped right after its baled it will turn into silage bales and be some good feed but idk how wet this hay was but it will still be in better condition than bales that have set outside all winter when u go to feed it later that year
Wrapping bales is generally done more for high moisture bales to create silage. Usually wrap straight after baling. The hay then ferments in the wrap giving a high quality feed. So its not so much of a storage solution normally rather part of the feed production process
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Wrapping is best done for making balage, that is, silage bales... hay is baled at about 30-40% moisture (50% but that gets awfully heavy, 30% is basically a "hard stop" on the low end-- 33-35% is a safer number-- you have to have enough moisture for the hay to actually FERMENT in the bag-- yeasts convert part of the sugar in the plants into carbon dioxide, acetic acid, and alcohol, which preserves the forage and prevents it from rotting or decaying due to the action of anaerobic bacteria, which cannot live in the alcohol and low pH conditions caused by the acetic acid (essentially, vinegar).
Wrapping dry hay causes a layer of mildew or mold on the outer surface of the bales, because the bales cannot "breathe" and the plastic is exposed to both the sun and the cold wind in cooler weather. Bales ALWAYS have a certain amount of moisture in them-- dry hay is typically baled below 20% moisture, with about 15-17% being ideal, and lower moisture certainly acceptable but the hay starts getting VERY brittle and chaffy and losing dry matter easily at lower moisture when baled due to leaf shatter. Of course anything upwards of about 20% moisture will heat up due to bacterial activity in the hay, and at about 25% you run the risk of spontaneous combustion. At any rate, hay that is properly cured and baled as "dry hay" will go through a 'sweat' which is directly proportional in amount of heat and duration to the moisture content when it was baled, ie the wetter the hotter it will get and the longer it will stay hot. Then the hay naturally cools down after this "sweat" period, which usually only lasts a few days to a week or so. Anyway, the hay will be stable after the sweat and cool down, BUT it will still have a certain amount of moisture in it that naturally 'breathes' to the atmosphere-- in dry low humidity conditions moisture will escape to the air, and in hot, moist, humid conditions, bales can actually pick up some moisture from the air even sitting inside. When dry hay is wrapped in plastic, which is nonpermeable, it is "sealed off" from the air, so the moisture in the hay is trapped in inside the plastic. As the sun heats the plastic, the hay is heated inside the plastic and some of that moisture is driven out of the hay, and the humidity inside the plastic SOARS. Then at night or with cooler temperatures, the moisture in the plastic condenses out on the inner surface of the plastic which is of course against the outside layer of hay, and this concentrated wetness or moisture causes fungal and bacterial growth, leading to a layer of mildew, mold, and rather rotty hay. It doesn't extend very deep into the bale-- usually only the outermost layer, but it's enough to really look like crap and it IS inedible or practically so.
That's why it's best to store dry hay inside a shed where it can breathe if one wants to cut weathering losses to the bare minimum. Tarping bales can cause the same sorts of problems with molding or mildew of the outside, if the tarps contact the bales DIRECTLY... why some guys put spikes through some 2x4's and put them down the top and sides of the bales, to keep the tarps from directly contacting the bale, which creates an air gap between the tarp and the bale surface because the boards are holding the tarp up a bit off the bale-- any moisture condensing on the inner surface of the tarp can then run down the tarp and drip onto the ground, OR it can evaporate into the air in the gap, which is usually exchanged with outside air as the breeze blows under the tarp or around the ends, allowing the humid air to escape taking the moisture away.
SO usually you don't see dry hay wrapped in sheet plastic like that. Depending on the local conditions, storing hay outside isn't terrible, for use the winter following baling... The biggest problem in most areas isn't with water infiltrating the bale (which CAN be a problem on legume hay or very coarse grass hays like sorghum sudan with large stems-- fine grass hay creates it's own "thatch roof" where MOST of the rainfall simply runs off the outside of the round bales-- legumes like alfalfa have larger stems and lobe-shaped leaves rather than long slender leaves like grasses, which allows more water to infiltrate the bale, since it doesn't run off as readily and has larger pore spaces in the bale, and coarse grass stems like sorghum-sudan again have larger pore spaces allowing water to infiltrate further into the bale.) On clay type soils or areas that receive a lot of rainfall, (or both), soil moisture can easily wick up into the bale out of the soil where the hay is in direct contact with the soil, keeping the bottoms of the bale wet and causing rot. This type of damage can be pretty easily minimized or eliminated through careful site selection for storing hay (on a terrace or levee or raised ground on high ground, preferably with sandy soil), putting down a layer of coarse stone or gravel or rip-rap to hold the bales up off the ground, and allow air to infiltrate into the space between rocks or stones, and/or storing the hay up on pairs of utility poles, or on plastic or wood pallets, old tires, etc. whatever can raise the bales up out of direct contact with the soil surface.
Later! OL J R :)
@@lukestrawwalker ..Haha - I found the same article on the Net, Good reading & good hay is made just like you say.. !!!
That's some pretty fancy flying Maverick LOL awesome Drone footage Ryan 👍
Hi Ryan,
Was wondering with the cost of the machine plus the yearly cost of the plastic, would it not be more cost effective to put up another pole shed for the hay storage instead?
It may, but from my position, I can't build on the farms myself unless I do it with cash. That's one of my current dilemmas on where to spend the next $40K
@@HowFarmsWork $40k on machine plus wrap, which requires yearly rolls of wrap and upkeep of machine good for so long VS pole shed which is longer term and increased farm value. If done with cattle, you'll have shed. Toss up depending on farm/ranch operation.
@@BWYinYang
Your not going to build much of a shed for 40K today. Where the wrapper shines is the ability to wrap wet and improve nutrition, this is an afterthought.
very nice this machine
Other than for demonstration purposes I'm not sure I understand why you wrapped bales that had already cured? I'm guessing you could have used the demo baler and put up new bales at 30-40% moisture and had some baleage for your cows. Good video and the wrapper does look to be built well. Perhaps Kuhn can let you talk about who should be looking to purchase one of these machines vs number of bales that make it break even on cost?
Spot on Ryan. The wrapped bales should last years like that. Do you recycle plastic wrap in the states. It hasn't been to successful over here simply because of volume and handling it at the end.
Hey Ryan, just curious what happened to the few bales in the front. Looked like they didn't make the cut.
You should get one it would be cool
Bale wrapper Is a great tool to have in the farm with how many bales yall do
Wonder if this method is cost effective compared to building a structure for storage? Wind won't blow these away as it might a shelter. I guess spend the money on a smaller shelter for the machine. ;)
Nice machine. Hopefully it's a mild winter and you won't need all them bales
Great job Men, a lot less chance of bale damage with that set up compared to single wrapped bales:):)
Nice one 🤜🤛
When I was a kid and I was riding in a car and I saw warped bales I always through they looked like marshmallows. Lol. But now I know what they are
Hello Ryan, greetings, I'm Jorge, I'm from Colombia, the technology with which you preserve food for cattle is incredible. I wanted to ask you something ¿in the United States, where can I buy the plastic to wrap hay bales?. We have a bale wrapper kuhn model rw 1110. Thank you very much.I hope your answer.
Pretty impressive machine. Have you figured out how much it cost to wrap each Bale
Depends on what you factor in to the cost and how many bales you wrap in the end.
Nice good video brother
Is that something you would purchase just to use on the farm or would you do custom work with it too?
Hey Ryan!!
Hey Darrin!
Your drone shots are looking amazing! so often it looks like you're about to crash, then, it swoops on out! Great piloting!
How long can the bales stay wrapped? Is there an advantage to wrapping bales?
Last time I had bales good for two years. They are much better quality than letting sit outside
Future demo of baler wrapper combo unit?
Is there an advantage to an in-line wrapper ?
Cool video
It will maintain the bales' feed quality throughout the year and over the winter.
Uses less plastic than an individual bale wrapper, and usually less damage to the bales from plastic punctures... BUT you basically can't move the bales until you use them. Later! OL J R :)
What do you use for editing videos?
hello ryan i am a big fan keep up the good work and i am a boy on my moms computer
Did you guys trade in the bobcat for the 330 g?
We kept the Bobcat so Travis has a loader at his place, though trading it was on the table.
Hi Ryan 😀 we wrap most of the round bales we use individually In Ireland down at 50% dry matter ( cut the day before and baled with out tedding )
You can get away with 70% dry matter for wrapping which will make very good hayliage ( not quite hay but very good feed for cows )
Something I never hear talked about? Is that wrap actually plastic or is it the same as the mulch made from corn starch that can be put on the ground to prohibit weed growth in a garden and biodegrade over time? If it is plastic why am I recycling and trying to do the right thing and farmers are throwing away rolls of plastic each year into the landfill? What happened to haylage or corn silage in a reusable silo?
With a wrapper, much more inside storage available; nice to rent, but like most farm eqpt, probably gotta buy.
I wrap around 800 dry bales a year I put between 18 & 20 wraps on. never have any mold. a lot of people don't put enough on and that's why it molds. that's on a 4 foot wide bale. if your bales are 5 feet wide I would put around 25 wraps
Wrappers are a love hate relationship. I really like the push off system compared to some of the other brands.
white wrap for wet hay black wrap for dry hay
Been wondering why you guys never had a wrapper before.
Not a farmer, so this may be a dumb question. But with corn prices being so high, won't that make hay more valuable too?
Hay prices are high right now. They are about where they were mid-winter last year.
If a lot of hay ground got plowed up and planted to corn, yes. Haven't kept up with the acreage reports, so I don't know if that happened or not. Drought and weather are the biggest drivers of hay prices not necessarily the corn price. Of course numbers of livestock is THE biggest driver of hay prices (demand), next to drought or weather problems limiting supply... Later! OL J R : )
Some locales it's prohibitive to build permanent shelters or sheds due to the tax implications. Around here guys are now using "fabric structures" on concrete waste-blocks instead of pole barns since they're "tents" not buildings. My brother has a "tent" for hay that's 80 feet clear-span by 210 feet that he can drive a stacker-wagon into and unload small square bales with plenty of headroom ...but it's NOT a taxable building.
Yes property taxes on farm sheds and barns are definitely something to consider before building one, as some areas tax them quite substantially. Of course the cost of all that plastic isn't trivial either... and handling and disposing of it as well. Later! OL J R :)
Nothing works pretty slick. If you bought one of those I’m sure you can rent it out a lot. How much does a roll of the wrapping cost?
Pandemic is also driving the cost and availability of plastic. The last we bought this fall was $95 a roll. Up roughly 20%from a year ago.
I think it's a great solution. And it uses less wrap than competitors. Now the pole shed is empty the new crop can go in there. Yes you have the shed that fell over, and land to build another, but you have to lay that out and have extra if there are complications. By financing it you can stretch your dollars and keep your cash. It might even help your brother on his hay production. How is it transported on the farm, lay down trailer or low boy? From farm to farm.
Marshmallow comment.
Those are vegan marshmallows!
What’s up Ryan
How do you dispose of the wrap? Please don't say you burn it! Is it recyclable?
burn pile LOL:) Either that or let it blow on the neighbors (my BIL's) place like his neighbors do LOL:) Recycling usually don't want it because of the contaminants (hay and mold stuck to it, nobody is cleaning that crap off!) Later! OL J R :)
Only thing missing is a foot stand so you don't have to walk next to it when moving it around other than that it's cool you need one then rent it out to local farmers
Could you buy it and market it as a contractor to other farms in the area? Charge a per bale fee to wrap, with a set minimum, as a part of your side business.
If bales are wrapped properly they should be airtight and get no mould at all. Would you ever consider making bale silage as it has far more nutritional value than hay and you don’t need to wait for the grass to dry as long
What about the ends? They are still exposed.
Caps are $100/piece. I’ve heard they’re not often worth the hassle when 2 poorer bales on each end do the same job
You should have had all three skid loaders going would be a lot faster and you would get the bales wrapped faster as well
Is there a job in the company
Most fun any idot brick thrower could have in a hay field. Now your ready for 3rd crop. If deer get smart, go to the barber shop and spread hair around the perimeter.
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Bale city
0:06 that ain't huge pile, i have to make 2-3 thousand hay bales and 1-1.5 thousand ''marshmallows'' for our farm, every year. :)
Its kinda weird, harvesting and so on the US is miles ahead of us, but baling and wrapping we really are years ahead
Nice machine and you are getting white worms in the field from it 🤣
Does Kuhn not want to show the world how the wrap begins on a bale? Guessing you have to pin the first wraps to the bale for friction to start working. I have to say though if you had one it would make sense to feed it off the bale wagon, otherwise a progressive u it that can pick feed itself down a line is more practical.
That almost wraps faster than you can load.