I have ridden avidly for over 50 years, but I retired a few years back and started a 2nd career that allows me to commute to work on a motorcycle for the first time in 3 decades. I already owned an SV650 and loved the 90 degree, 645cc V-twin engine, so I picked up a near-mint condition, extremely low mileage, 2013 DL650 ABS Adventure model for a very fair price. Luck would also have it that the previous owner had spared no expense, and had graced it with absolutely every factory option that had been available. It quickly became one of my favorite motorcycles of all time, especially considering the large number of smiles I received per dollar spent, and I have owned dozens and dozens of bikes of every kind. My 'Strom is all day comfortable, perfectly dependable, superbly simple and easy to maintain, and reasonably capable of almost anything I have ever thrown at it. It excels at commuting and weekend explorer-type riding, but has also seen some motorcycle camp outs, 1 and 2-up touring duty, and even a bit of semi-serious off-road stuff, where it is admittedly hindered by low ground clearance, excessive weight and a rather long wheelbase. It is therefore primarily a street bike, but one that can take on any type of road, from dirt fire roads to interstate highways. And though it isn't a trail bike by any stretch of the imagination, if you are slow and careful, it does have enough "real" off-road capability to get you and your stuff to that perfect, secluded camp site just beyond the tree line. It is also easy to wrestle in and out of a crowded garage, and is perfectly flickable and easy to zip around town on, especially when compared to other bikes with a fairing, functional windshield and are capable of 2-up touring. I usually just ride with just the top box. The panniers mostly live high on the garage wall on a mount I made for them, but they can be slapped on or off the bike in under 10 minutes with a single tool - a flathead screwdriver. I have never had such a versatile motorcycle. I also happen to think it is a very handsome bike. Though I do understand that some would disagree with me on this point, I personally don't get their reasoning. The engine gets great mileage and runs smooth and beautifully. It will tug at your heartstrings. Compared to the SV, it is tuned more for "work" duty, and is possibly the most satisfying 70-ish horsepower on two wheels. Despite this, it does manage to maintain a noticeable top end rush, and mine therefore does occasionally see 9,500 RPM, as I do like the extra "thrust" I get above 6,000 on the tachometer 🤠. So far it hasn't complained. Despite my trusted, certified mechanic of 30 years telling me it would be a waste of time, the valves were checked at 20,000 miles, and they were perfectly within tolerance. I think I might stretch the interval a bit more for the next valve service, if I do that one at all. I could go on and on. Anyway, thanks for the great review, and for pretty much reiterating what most every DL650 owner already knew.
@@Fractal379 Thanks for the shout out! Still riding my Wee-Strom almost daily and loving it. I've owned around 40 Japanese motorcycles, {all were 800cc or under), and the 'Strom might be my favorite.
I have just finished my second tour on this bike. Part 1 (1-up with luggage and camping gear) - I rode 15,625km from Vancouver BC to Tuktoyaktuk then around Alaska and to Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay and back to Vancouver. Then Part 2 - (2-up with luggage) 5581km from Vancouver to Waterton Lakes Canada then in the US to Yellowstone National Park, Grand Tetons, through Idaho to Oregon, Pacific Coast Highway and back up to Vanvouver BC. What a great little bike, incredibly versatile. I was very pleased with its performance in so many different conditions.
This comment is rather late. You had many excellent videos on the DL 650 a few years ago. No more. I hope you are well. Would have loved to see video of your Alaska trip.
Great review! The first street bike I ever owned was a 2009 DL650 and it was great. I miss that bike! It was lots of fun to ride. Best value ever in motorcycles.
The most useful review for 2-up touring! Thank you! I was searching for more information about the v-strom (for touring around Europe with my girlfriend.) This review just convinced me that I found the perfect bike for it!
Thank you for the review. We also have a DL650 (1st gen though) primarily because of its reputation as a good "small" bike for 2-up. And although we have some nitpicks too, for the most part it has been working very well for us. The funny thing is that our complaints are completely different from yours! No telling how much of the difference is due to being gen 1 V gen 2 and how much is because of different riders, but it still gave me a little chuckle. Have a nice summer, guys!
That is exactly what I want to do. Ride 2 up with my wife. Thank you so much for your video. The more I her about the V-Strom, the more it sounds perfect.
I have to agree 100% with you, I am on my second DL 650 V-Strom , I sold the first one , because I thought I needed more power, I bought a Suzuki Bandit 1200 S .... big mistake! .. ride safe 👍
Loved your video. I have a 2013-same model-which I bought in Victoria and rode to Port Hardy at the top of Vancouver Island and back, then through BC (the long way), up the Icefields Parkway-Banff to Jasper-and off back home to Toronto. I agree with almost everything but the street cred. I thought the same thing but regularly had Harley guys come up to me and say they were thinking about buying a V-Strom too. It surprised me but I got nothing but compliments (although I coudn't care less) during my entire trip-and still do! My bike is Suzuki blue which looks pretty sharp. Also, regarding the size, I'm only 5' 7'' with a 29" inseam so it's a tad tall but totally manageable: left foot on the ground, right foot on the peg. The easy-to-find friction zone makes starting on hills never a problem. I don't even notice the bike's seat height anymore. Many people claim that it's not a good bike if you're under six feet but I disagree. Even at 5' 7" it's perfect for me. I'd really love to come your way to ride New Zealand one of these days. Hopefully I can. Anyway. Thanks for the great video and safe riding!
I think your review is great, as there are not many reviews about the V-Strom 650 riding 2 up. Thanks. I'd like to see you post more videos of your trips with your passenger.
Great information thanks. Just purchased 2008. I'm also from good old NZ now Croatia (2 years) and intend to tour 2 up. Normally sport's bike's but getting a bit long in the tooth for that 😁.
Awesome review! I've noticed mine has really opened up, and so your comment at the end it's spot on! Not ready to ride two-up just yet, but that day may come. Right now - learning to enjoy the bike. Great review!
Hey. Just reading my comments below. After a bit of investigation decided the 650 vstrom ticked nearly all the boxes. Put a deposit on one today and collect next week. Got the xt with traction control. Thanks for your advice.
reksubbn It is a great bike and I'm sure you will enjoy it. There is a cool FB group that you might enjoy about the DL650 too, lots of pics etc of people riding them all over the world, nice group. facebook.com/groups/wee.strom/
@@Joburble Greetings from Ireland Jo & Co, and thanks for the great review. I hope to travel to the UK soon to ride one home, and get back in the saddle after 30+ years. That Facebook group looks cool, so thanks again. May the road rise with you!
Great review thanks! I really like 2-up touring with my wife and the wee-strom is a very good bike for this job if you need a cost-effective 2-up tourer. I managed to convince my wife to let me get us an Africa Twin based on your 2-up review. Regards Ted Hughes
Hi Ted, I hope you like the AT then. We love ours 2-up, on gravel roads especially. In fact I love every bike I currently own, a KLX300R, a DR650SE, the AT and this V-Strom 650. They are all bikes I'd buy again because for their intended purpose I think they are the best of the bunch, for me anyway.... and for my budget. Now I'm back in NZ I'm looking forward to putting a few ks on the AT over the summer and a few times since being back Rachel has said "I just want to be riding again", which is always nice to hear. Rachel has also decided she wants to get her own bike license now after seeing so many women riding bikes on our recent trip. She wants a cruiser. In regard to the Wee-strom, you are right, it's a cost-effective 2-up tourer and I'm pleased I bought it. If I'd rented one it would have cost me $4418.00 Canadian so as I plan on doing a few trips it is much more cost effective for me to buy a bike IMO.
Good review mate thanks. That thing he missed it's called "break in" lol his loss is your gain. I recently bought a v-strom 650 2008 model year it had 12,000 mi on it one owner. Could change the oil to 2050 Valvoline motor oil synthetic for motorcycles. Amazing part was it's actually running smoother in a game more powerful still I would say at 15,005 right now and a good bit more powerful than the day I brought it home so if my experience is any guide breaking continues for quite a while.
I have a 2014 vstrom 650. I ride alone but I'm 6ft.2in and 270lbs. I love this bike. I have 33,000 trouble free miles on it. After 4 years I am looking for another adventure bike but I'm afraid to let this one go. It has all the power I need so why trade?
Nice review. I just got a 2013 V-Strom 650 ABS adventure last summer and I love it. I've riden a sports bikes for 16 years and nice to have this bike also. Still have my 20 year old Honda CBR600F4.
it was not less than 370 kilos of the total weight(the bike itself+riders+personal stuff). With a big windshield and side panniers and top case we were riding just fine 10 hours straight.
Going to need a Touratech rear shock on that bike for all the weight. Serviceable, much more tough, easy adjustment, better traction and wheel control, less front end float.
It all comes down to dollars and as it's cheaper to diet than buy a new shock then dieting will have to be my plan, although a new shock does sound nice.
I’m no sailor but I couldn’t help but notice the red and green channel markers on the mirror stalks; ”red right return” I think it goes. Something like that. Nice touch for an adventure bike ; ) Thanks for the review, I’m close to making my mind up on a 2011 model now. Fingers crossed!
Just what I wanted to know. Think that settles it for me. Off on a tour with the missus. And from that last comment on screen, you're the same combined weight as us two. How heavy do you think you kits is? Thanks very much.
Fully loaded with you and your wife, what would a comfortable cruising speed be? I'm debating between this one and the 1000. I will do 2up weekend trips. 99% on road. What's holding me back from the 1000 is the extra $$$ and the weight.
I have 2 bikes that I'm looking: 2014 DL1000 and 2015/16 DL650 (not sure if 15 or 16). Both are fully loaded but DL1000 has 42k km and DL650 has only 3k on it. 650 is a bit more customized. I commute daily through traffic, weekend gateways on twisties and 1 or 2 times a year a week ot two through Europe, sometimes 1 up sometimes 2 up. Because I mainly use it to commute and twisties, I think I can survive occasional European trips 2up on 650. After your video, I think I'm leaning toward 650 now. Or should I get DL1000 ?
While it is all personal opinion and subjective, having owned a DL1000 and a DL650 I would never again buy a DL1000 unless I was only traveling in straight lines at high speeds on smooth roads. In my opinion that is the only place that the 1000 is a better bike. In my opinion the 650 is better in every way in all other conditions. I would buy a DL650 again without hesitation. I have ridden 18,000km on a DL1000 and around 30,000km on a DL650 and that is what I have based my opinion on.
As I normally ride in New Zealand where we drive/ride on the left side of the road the tape is a quick indicator to me which side of the road I should be riding on. Green = good, Red = death and mayhem.
4:40 May I ask what your combined weight is? We would be around 150 kg with all clothing. Would that still be too much, given same amount of luggage is present?
@@Joburble I see, 172 kg. That for us would be 142. Do you think 30 kg matters a lot, regarding the soft rear suspension or would we have the same issue there?
@@RonaiHenrik In normal riding conditions on good quality roads I believe you'd be fine. On rough roads it's something you'd have to be very conscious of if you are 2-up with luggage. I have just finished another tour on the bike a couple of weeks ago, part of which was 5581km 2-up with luggage on good quality, smooth roads and the bike was fine as is, provided that I warned my passenger of the occasional large bump so she could get her weight off the seat and onto the footpegs. I had the rear preload maxed out and it was manageable. The question is, would I still buy the same bike for two up touring? Absolutely. Bang for buck, the DL650 in my opinion is still a winner.
I’m still undecided on the 650 or thousand. Will mostly be riding one up but would regularly be riding two up around city and in longer rides. Any suggestions?
I have answered the same question a couple of times in the comments of this video. Give it a read and if you still have any questions I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my ability. Cheers.
Uros Go Well spotted. I have always driven on the left side of the road in NZ where I live, so the colors are just a precaution really to tell me which side of the road to ride on. It can be helpful when pulling out of gas stations etc when no other vehicles are around for reference. Red = wrong side of the road, Green = correct side of the road.
Uros Go I have ridden enough bikes over the years to know a good one, and for two up "easy" riding I would highly recommend the DL650, we love it. Just for clarification, when "I" say "easy" I am meaning good condition non bumpy roads ridden at legal speeds. If the roads are more bumpy a rear suspension upgrade should fix any issues. I am talking predominantly sealed roads, not gravel with potholes. If you ride it easy it's good on gas too.
Funny thing is; the preview image shows a picture of the first generation bike; yet the review is for a 2nd gen :) The headlights in the older model are not stacked, so they may be better, not sure.
Not quite sure what you are talking about regarding the generations. The preview is a photograph of my bike, a 2015 DL650A (Gen 2 'A' model). Gen 3 has the stacked headlights. I just checked out your bike on FB, your bike is a Gen 1. Different shaped side by side headlights among other things.
Joburble the rear suspension appears to be the one common complaint of the 650. Is it worth upgrading? I pick mine up in 5 days. Also were you happy with the lights. I often ride at night and am thinking about extra lighting. Thanks.
reksubbn Yes. The boxes themselves are pretty good, but the keys are buttery soft and the locks accasionally stick. Just have to be careful when unlocking them.
I will keep this short and sweet because I think I have discussed this at length in either these comments or comments on another one of my videos. I used to own a DL1000 (2008 model I think) and I put 18,000 km on it mainly 2-up. IMHO the 2015 DL650 is a way better bike than the 2008 DL1000 in every catagory but one, that is 2-up fully loaded at above 120kph. I have not ridden the new model DL1000, but in my opinion it would be a very hard push to beat the Africa Twin as an adventure bike for 2-up touring with luggage in the 1000cc bracket. About 3 weeks ago while on tour my wife and I had fun on a gravel road getting the back end out under power while fully loaded and 2-up on our Africa Twin. In the 1000cc bracket it'd go AT for sure. In the budget or 650 bracket I think along with countless others that the DL650 is the way to go. Yes, that was the short and sweet answer, lol. I'd love to know what you end up buying.
@@Joburble thanks for short answer :) so you don't feel 650 is underpowered for 2up, that's good to hear. AT is nice but I don't need tubed tyres and 21" front wheel for riding with my wife. I am concerned about rear suspension though as you mentioned, although not sure what you meant, it's too soft or too harsh. 650 is definitely good value for the money, DL1000 not that much as ity's close to AT and ST.
@@wildone2163 Rear suspension on the DL650 is too soft for 2-up with luggage and bottoms out easily on bumpy roads, so you have to manage it which mainly involves warning the passenger about approaching bumps. Having said that, I would still buy the same bike again for 2-up touring on a budget.
Great video and review! Thank you for sharing your experience with the dl650. I own a 2012 model and one of the things I struggle with on a regular basis are (A) indeed the stock Bridgestone Scorpion trail tires for my 100% paved riding and (B) the fact that when there's load (passenger or luggage or both) the front of the bike tend to be super loose and sometimes it scares me a bit. Planning on installing a recommended fork brace on it to try to help keeping the front low when the back is heavy with load. A tank bag might help too. Have you experienced it too? Question @Joburble: which tires did you end up putting on your dl650 after deciding to get rid of the stock trail ones?
I can't remember what tires I put on it, however for 100% road riding I very much like the Pilot Road 4 which I have used on another bike. In regard to the front end feeling loose make sure that you have the rear preload set to maximum when you have a heavy load on the bike. This raises the rear of the bike and steepens up the fork rake slightly making the bike want to push the front less. Although this does make a difference you may not feel it very much, but it will help. (Note: don't do this if you are a lightweight and have no heavy luggage on board as at higher speeds especially with empty panniers it will make the bike tend to speed wobble). The other thing that will help the front end feeling loose is if you sit slightly further forward in the corners. A fork brace may help as some have suggested however on a DL thousand that I used to own I don't think it'd made that much difference. I'd be spending my money on a nice sticky front tyre instead of a fork brace but this is just a personal choice. On my most recent trip on this DL650 I did notice some slight flex in the front end, but I found it manageable and it didn't create a problem. One other thing which you could try that often gets neglected is changing the fork oil as it does wear out and makes a performance difference. I would stick with the factory recommended fork oil weight when changing the fork oil. Hope some of this helps.
Please be aware that the comments below are just my opinion and they are only for the Pre-Beak DL1000 model in comparison to the DL650A model. I used to own a pre-beak DL1000 (2008 model I think) and I put about 18,000km on it 2-up. In my opinion the 650 is a better all-round bike. The only place the 1000 would be better than the 650 is in a drag race or if you are always riding in a straight line at over 120kph with a fully laden bike. The reason I sold the 1000 was that I found the bike limiting when it came to being fully loaded on gravel roads. The front end just wanted to tuck and it was only a matter of time until I'd end up dropping it on the gravel roads. I found the 1000 to be a handful to negotiate round tight first and second gear corners even on sealed roads. If I was only ever going to ride on sealed 'open roads' and not first gear tight twisties then I'd buy another one tomorrow. The odd thing about the 1000 is the huge step in gearing between 1st and 2nd gear, this is a real pain fully loaded when ascending tight 1st and 2nd gear corners as it's uncomfortably revving in 1st, but won't pull 2nd. On the open road or when riding 1-up it's not a problem. The other odd thing is the huge step in gearing between 5th and 6th. I should imagine it would be great for freeways (70mph+) in 6th, but not much use at 60mph. The bike rides like a big heavy old beast in comparison to the 650 and you'd better get your lines right in the corners or she's not going round. It just means every corner has to be set up well in advance. On the road it steers okay, stops okay, goes okay. The 1000 isn't just a 650 with more power, it's a completely different bike to ride even though it shares many of the same parts. Personally, given the choice I'd buy the 650 over the old 1000 every time. Also please be aware that ergonomics can play a huge roll in your opinion of a motorcycle and if I were a taller, heavier rider I may feel differently, but I'm not and I don't. Strengths and weaknesses in comparison for 2-up riding with luggage. DL1000 Strengths: Comfort (10/10) for rider and passenger, power, price, fuel range. "Very slightly" larger under seat storage than the 650 DL650 Strengths: Comfort (8-9/10) for rider and passenger, nimbleness, flexible forgiving power delivery with nice midrange, price, fuel economy, fuel range. Good feedback and feel from the road to the rider. Easily ride in city traffic. Feels much lighter and the weight feels lower than the 1000. DL1000 Weaknesses: Heavy (weight feels high), poor stability on gravel, BAD wind buffeting, suspension is a 'little' soft if 2-up fully loaded. A bit of a handful to ride in city traffic. DL650 Weaknesses: Rear suspension is too soft if 2-up and fully loaded
Travelled RTW on motorcycle your miles over weight better off with soft panniers own 2007 DL650 travelled around the block with the wife 15000 klms done outback tracks with no problems.
reksubbn The lights are not poor, they are actually good lights, but when 2-up and fully loaded they point up into the sky because the rear suspension squats too much under those conditions. If you are only riding 1-up that would not happen and you can adjust them, it's just a pain to do so in comparison to some other bikes. The suspension would be fine for 1-up riding with luggage in my opinion. If riding 2-up with luggage the rear suspension would ideally need an upgrade to at least a heavier spring in my opinion. I have been quite specific in my appraisal of this bike in that it is only a 2-up fully loaded review and as you have seen I have included our weights. From there you can work out if the bike would be suitable for you. As stated I haven't ridden it on gravel yet but I have ridden the DL1000 (08 model) on gravel and I didn't like it. However the 650 is in my opinion a far better bike. In 2019 I plan to put about another 20,000km on it and about 4000km of that will be 1-up with luggage and on gravel. I do expect it to be a good bike under those conditions judging from my experiences on it as stated in my review. In regard to long distances I think it is very comfortable and am planning to do 4 x 700km days on it back to back myself. Whether it would be the right bike for you depends on factors you haven't shared. Bang for buck it's a great bike in my opinion and should not be overlooked in your option of bikes to choose from. It all depends on what you want from a bike really.
Joburble TY for your comments. Riding a 400 Majesty scooter atm so riding on gravel not an option with this bike. Live in Australia so coping with gravel a must. Ride at night a lot so good lighting essential. 60 yo so concerned that 1000 may be a bit heavy. Serious off road unlikely. My wife is still indecided if she wants to ride with me. If so her comfort is the only priority! Liking the African twin or V Strom 650 atm. Commuting 140 km every day. What is the longevity of the 650 motor vs 1000? Cheers.
reksubbn Another thing I didn't mention in my reply to you was alternative bikes. I saw on your video playlists that you may also be interested in the Africa Twin. It is obviously a LOT more expensive, but if you are doing mainly long distances 2-up and fully loaded on gravel it is a stunning bike right out of the crate. The suspension, brakes and handling on gravel are terrific. The ergonomics for a person 5'11" to 6'1" seem right on the money too. At lower speeds while street riding the AT feels heavier than the DL650 and is less nimble round town, but is certainly rideable in those conditions. The other bike that in my opinion must be considered if you are riding gravel roads and trails 1-up is the DR650SE. It is a RTW capable bike and with a better seat, larger gas tank and screen added is a stunning bang for buck dual sport highway capable bike too (just not luxury). I own all three of these bikes and while the DR650SE has no finesse in comparison to the other two, it is my "go-to" bike for 1-up gravel road riding loaded with luggage for 1. The Africa Twin is the "Rolls Royce" of the pack with better everything, especially for two up riding. And the V-Strom, well... the video says it all including that I'd happily buy another one. Let me know what you get? I hope I have been of some help. :)
reksubbn No one knows how far the AT motor will go yet, but the DL650 motor is legendary for reliability I understand. If you are riding "bumpy" gravel roads 2-up and passenger comfort is a MUST then the AT is brilliant. My wife and I have hit some significant potholes and bumps 2-up and fully loaded without a problem. The DL650 with the same load and same conditions would have been physically painful on our backs and we are 50+ too. Riding the AT 2-up and loaded we get an average of 20.5km/L and it's an 18.8L tank. I haven't ridden in Aussy, but from what I've seen of the gravel and outback roads I'd be going AT all the way. The suspension alone would make that choice for me. If you check out my channel you will see I do a 1-up and 2-up review of the AT. Just disregard the "hunting" motor comment, got that all sorted no probs. Seat is nicely height adjustable on the AT too.
I have ridden avidly for over 50 years, but I retired a few years back and started a 2nd career that allows me to commute to work on a motorcycle for the first time in 3 decades. I already owned an SV650 and loved the 90 degree, 645cc V-twin engine, so I picked up a near-mint condition, extremely low mileage, 2013 DL650 ABS Adventure model for a very fair price. Luck would also have it that the previous owner had spared no expense, and had graced it with absolutely every factory option that had been available. It quickly became one of my favorite motorcycles of all time, especially considering the large number of smiles I received per dollar spent, and I have owned dozens and dozens of bikes of every kind.
My 'Strom is all day comfortable, perfectly dependable, superbly simple and easy to maintain, and reasonably capable of almost anything I have ever thrown at it. It excels at commuting and weekend explorer-type riding, but has also seen some motorcycle camp outs, 1 and 2-up touring duty, and even a bit of semi-serious off-road stuff, where it is admittedly hindered by low ground clearance, excessive weight and a rather long wheelbase. It is therefore primarily a street bike, but one that can take on any type of road, from dirt fire roads to interstate highways. And though it isn't a trail bike by any stretch of the imagination, if you are slow and careful, it does have enough "real" off-road capability to get you and your stuff to that perfect, secluded camp site just beyond the tree line.
It is also easy to wrestle in and out of a crowded garage, and is perfectly flickable and easy to zip around town on, especially when compared to other bikes with a fairing, functional windshield and are capable of 2-up touring. I usually just ride with just the top box. The panniers mostly live high on the garage wall on a mount I made for them, but they can be slapped on or off the bike in under 10 minutes with a single tool - a flathead screwdriver. I have never had such a versatile motorcycle. I also happen to think it is a very handsome bike. Though I do understand that some would disagree with me on this point, I personally don't get their reasoning.
The engine gets great mileage and runs smooth and beautifully. It will tug at your heartstrings. Compared to the SV, it is tuned more for "work" duty, and is possibly the most satisfying 70-ish horsepower on two wheels. Despite this, it does manage to maintain a noticeable top end rush, and mine therefore does occasionally see 9,500 RPM, as I do like the extra "thrust" I get above 6,000 on the tachometer 🤠. So far it hasn't complained. Despite my trusted, certified mechanic of 30 years telling me it would be a waste of time, the valves were checked at 20,000 miles, and they were perfectly within tolerance. I think I might stretch the interval a bit more for the next valve service, if I do that one at all.
I could go on and on. Anyway, thanks for the great review, and for pretty much reiterating what most every DL650 owner already knew.
Thank you sir!
Excellent review! I hope you and yours are well.
@@Fractal379 Thanks for the shout out! Still riding my Wee-Strom almost daily and loving it. I've owned around 40 Japanese motorcycles, {all were 800cc or under), and the 'Strom might be my favorite.
I have just finished my second tour on this bike. Part 1 (1-up with luggage and camping gear) - I rode 15,625km from Vancouver BC to Tuktoyaktuk then around Alaska and to Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay and back to Vancouver. Then Part 2 - (2-up with luggage) 5581km from Vancouver to Waterton Lakes Canada then in the US to Yellowstone National Park, Grand Tetons, through Idaho to Oregon, Pacific Coast Highway and back up to Vanvouver BC.
What a great little bike, incredibly versatile. I was very pleased with its performance in so many different conditions.
This comment is rather late.
You had many excellent videos on the DL 650 a few years ago. No more. I hope you are well. Would have loved to see video of your Alaska trip.
@@TrustyZ900 I have two big trips to edit, but just haven't had the time in the last few years. Who knows, may get to them this year.
Great review! The first street bike I ever owned was a 2009 DL650 and it was great. I miss that bike! It was lots of fun to ride. Best value ever in motorcycles.
The most useful review for 2-up touring! Thank you! I was searching for more information about the v-strom (for touring around Europe with my girlfriend.) This review just convinced me that I found the perfect bike for it!
It's not non-noticable! My red and black '06 gets tons of compliments 🏍️ I absolutely love it
Thank you for the review. We also have a DL650 (1st gen though) primarily because of its reputation as a good "small" bike for 2-up. And although we have some nitpicks too, for the most part it has been working very well for us. The funny thing is that our complaints are completely different from yours! No telling how much of the difference is due to being gen 1 V gen 2 and how much is because of different riders, but it still gave me a little chuckle. Have a nice summer, guys!
That is exactly what I want to do. Ride 2 up with my wife. Thank you so much for your video. The more I her about the V-Strom, the more it sounds perfect.
I have to agree 100% with you, I am on my second DL 650 V-Strom , I sold the first one , because I thought I needed more power, I bought a Suzuki Bandit 1200 S .... big mistake! .. ride safe 👍
Loved your video. I have a 2013-same model-which I bought in Victoria and rode to Port Hardy at the top of Vancouver Island and back, then through BC (the long way), up the Icefields Parkway-Banff to Jasper-and off back home to Toronto. I agree with almost everything but the street cred. I thought the same thing but regularly had Harley guys come up to me and say they were thinking about buying a V-Strom too. It surprised me but I got nothing but compliments (although I coudn't care less) during my entire trip-and still do! My bike is Suzuki blue which looks pretty sharp.
Also, regarding the size, I'm only 5' 7'' with a 29" inseam so it's a tad tall but totally manageable: left foot on the ground, right foot on the peg. The easy-to-find friction zone makes starting on hills never a problem. I don't even notice the bike's seat height anymore. Many people claim that it's not a good bike if you're under six feet but I disagree. Even at 5' 7" it's perfect for me.
I'd really love to come your way to ride New Zealand one of these days. Hopefully I can.
Anyway. Thanks for the great video and safe riding!
If you head to NZ I would be more than happy to give you the "heads up" on the places to ride.
J Lewis , agree, I’m your same height and inseam and no issues. I’m also 67, and loving this bike (my second VStrom).
10:20 haha sooooo true :) Made me smile. I always want a different bike than I currently have.
I think your review is great, as there are not many reviews about the V-Strom 650 riding 2 up. Thanks. I'd like to see you post more videos of your trips with your passenger.
Great information thanks. Just purchased 2008. I'm also from good old NZ now Croatia (2 years) and intend to tour 2 up. Normally sport's bike's but getting a bit long in the tooth for that 😁.
Awesome review! I've noticed mine has really opened up, and so your comment at the end it's spot on! Not ready to ride two-up just yet, but that day may come. Right now - learning to enjoy the bike. Great review!
Hey. Just reading my comments below. After a bit of investigation decided the 650 vstrom ticked nearly all the boxes. Put a deposit on one today and collect next week. Got the xt with traction control. Thanks for your advice.
reksubbn It is a great bike and I'm sure you will enjoy it. There is a cool FB group that you might enjoy about the DL650 too, lots of pics etc of people riding them all over the world, nice group. facebook.com/groups/wee.strom/
@@Joburble Greetings from Ireland Jo & Co, and thanks for the great review. I hope to travel to the UK soon to ride one home, and get back in the saddle after 30+ years. That Facebook group looks cool, so thanks again. May the road rise with you!
@@patmurphy7708 I hope you enjoy it and what a great bike to get on after 30 yrs out of the saddle.
Great review thanks! I really like 2-up touring with my wife and the wee-strom is a very good bike for this job if you need a cost-effective 2-up tourer. I managed to convince my wife to let me get us an Africa Twin based on your 2-up review. Regards Ted Hughes
Hi Ted, I hope you like the AT then. We love ours 2-up, on gravel roads especially. In fact I love every bike I currently own, a KLX300R, a DR650SE, the AT and this V-Strom 650. They are all bikes I'd buy again because for their intended purpose I think they are the best of the bunch, for me anyway.... and for my budget. Now I'm back in NZ I'm looking forward to putting a few ks on the AT over the summer and a few times since being back Rachel has said "I just want to be riding again", which is always nice to hear. Rachel has also decided she wants to get her own bike license now after seeing so many women riding bikes on our recent trip. She wants a cruiser.
In regard to the Wee-strom, you are right, it's a cost-effective 2-up tourer and I'm pleased I bought it. If I'd rented one it would have cost me $4418.00 Canadian so as I plan on doing a few trips it is much more cost effective for me to buy a bike IMO.
Good review mate thanks. That thing he missed it's called "break in" lol his loss is your gain.
I recently bought a v-strom 650 2008 model year it had 12,000 mi on it one owner. Could change the oil to 2050 Valvoline motor oil synthetic for motorcycles. Amazing part was it's actually running smoother in a game more powerful still I would say at 15,005 right now and a good bit more powerful than the day I brought it home so if my experience is any guide breaking continues for quite a while.
I have a 2014 vstrom 650. I ride alone but I'm 6ft.2in and 270lbs. I love this bike. I have 33,000 trouble free miles on it. After 4 years I am looking for another adventure bike but I'm afraid to let this one go. It has all the power I need so why trade?
Very nice and informative video, Thank You.
Nice review. I just got a 2013 V-Strom 650 ABS adventure last summer and I love it. I've riden a sports bikes for 16 years and nice to have this bike also. Still have my 20 year old Honda CBR600F4.
Cool that you have marked your mirrors with Port and Starboard :)
Great review, not many 2-up reviews on the V-strom. I love my wee. Safe riding
Cheers. Safe riding to you too :)
Great review, thank you! We did about 3k km 2up. It is absolutely capable bike for 2up touring.
what was the total weight ? ... estimated
it was not less than 370 kilos of the total weight(the bike itself+riders+personal stuff). With a big windshield and side panniers and top case we were riding just fine 10 hours straight.
Going to need a Touratech rear shock on that bike for all the weight. Serviceable, much more tough, easy adjustment, better traction and wheel control, less front end float.
It all comes down to dollars and as it's cheaper to diet than buy a new shock then dieting will have to be my plan, although a new shock does sound nice.
Great review Joburble!! Very handy info for my needs in a bike. Cheers!!
I’m no sailor but I couldn’t help but notice the red and green channel markers on the mirror stalks; ”red right return” I think it goes. Something like that. Nice touch for an adventure bike ; )
Thanks for the review, I’m close to making my mind up on a 2011 model now. Fingers crossed!
The "channel markers" are a visual reminder of which side of the road I'm meant to be riding on.
Spot on!!
Just what I wanted to know. Think that settles it for me.
Off on a tour with the missus. And from that last comment on screen, you're the same combined weight as us two. How heavy do you think you kits is?
Thanks very much.
Fully loaded with you and your wife, what would a comfortable cruising speed be?
I'm debating between this one and the 1000. I will do 2up weekend trips. 99% on road.
What's holding me back from the 1000 is the extra $$$ and the weight.
Givi airflow is the way to go...I can ride on the motorway at 130kph with the visor open and sunglasses in the summer no problem
I have 2 bikes that I'm looking: 2014 DL1000 and 2015/16 DL650 (not sure if 15 or 16). Both are fully loaded but DL1000 has 42k km and DL650 has only 3k on it. 650 is a bit more customized. I commute daily through traffic, weekend gateways on twisties and 1 or 2 times a year a week ot two through Europe, sometimes 1 up sometimes 2 up. Because I mainly use it to commute and twisties, I think I can survive occasional European trips 2up on 650. After your video, I think I'm leaning toward 650 now. Or should I get DL1000 ?
While it is all personal opinion and subjective, having owned a DL1000 and a DL650 I would never again buy a DL1000 unless I was only traveling in straight lines at high speeds on smooth roads. In my opinion that is the only place that the 1000 is a better bike. In my opinion the 650 is better in every way in all other conditions. I would buy a DL650 again without hesitation. I have ridden 18,000km on a DL1000 and around 30,000km on a DL650 and that is what I have based my opinion on.
@@Joburble Good enough. I'm moving from 2008 Yamaha Fazer Sport Touring to a newer bike, so 2015 DL650 should suit my needs :) Thanks for an input.
@@drilonicus did u get one? thoughts?
I noticed the red/green tape you've added (port/starboard) and am curious of your use for such markings (?)
As I normally ride in New Zealand where we drive/ride on the left side of the road the tape is a quick indicator to me which side of the road I should be riding on. Green = good, Red = death and mayhem.
Curious about the red & green tape on the mirror stems - port & starboard? On a bike?? Nice review, I have the same bike, what a great all rounder...
It reminds me which side of the road to ride on. Red = death and mayhem, so ride on the green side of the road.
10:50 thanks for the clarificatio..ive been thinking why am I listening a kiwi accent from American.. Lol
4:40
May I ask what your combined weight is? We would be around 150 kg with all clothing. Would that still be too much, given same amount of luggage is present?
I answer your question in the last 15 seconds of the video.
@@Joburble Oh sorry, should have waited till the end before asking.
@@Joburble I see, 172 kg. That for us would be 142. Do you think 30 kg matters a lot, regarding the soft rear suspension or would we have the same issue there?
@@RonaiHenrik In normal riding conditions on good quality roads I believe you'd be fine. On rough roads it's something you'd have to be very conscious of if you are 2-up with luggage.
I have just finished another tour on the bike a couple of weeks ago, part of which was 5581km 2-up with luggage on good quality, smooth roads and the bike was fine as is, provided that I warned my passenger of the occasional large bump so she could get her weight off the seat and onto the footpegs. I had the rear preload maxed out and it was manageable.
The question is, would I still buy the same bike for two up touring? Absolutely.
Bang for buck, the DL650 in my opinion is still a winner.
@@Joburble Thanks! Nice video as well.
I ride normally and do 23 km/l and had not problems with the original tires...
Where did you get the windscreen deflector from? Enjoyed the video, Thanks
Pat Davey It was on the bike when I got it. It works really well. I think it may have been on the bike from new.
looks like the x-creen tour
Whats with the red and green tape? Port and starboard left n right? 🤷♂️😉
See my answer to this same question by Dave Dempster (below)
I’m still undecided on the 650 or thousand. Will mostly be riding one up but would regularly be riding two up around city and in longer rides. Any suggestions?
I have answered the same question a couple of times in the comments of this video. Give it a read and if you still have any questions I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my ability. Cheers.
I've got a'17 650 strom mate & your video is fantastic.The most pos+ comments yet & I've seen a few.Is that a kiwi accent?
Very nice review. Why do you have right side designated green, and left in red?
Uros Go
Well spotted. I have always driven on the left side of the road in NZ where I live, so the colors are just a precaution really to tell me which side of the road to ride on. It can be helpful when pulling out of gas stations etc when no other vehicles are around for reference. Red = wrong side of the road, Green = correct side of the road.
Interesting. Didi you try any other bike for touring? Would you recommend dl650 or some other one for 2 people, easy riding?
Uros Go
I have ridden enough bikes over the years to know a good one, and for two up "easy" riding I would highly recommend the DL650, we love it. Just for clarification, when "I" say "easy" I am meaning good condition non bumpy roads ridden at legal speeds. If the roads are more bumpy a rear suspension upgrade should fix any issues. I am talking predominantly sealed roads, not gravel with potholes. If you ride it easy it's good on gas too.
Thank you for a great review
Funny thing is; the preview image shows a picture of the first generation bike; yet the review is for a 2nd gen :) The headlights in the older model are not stacked, so they may be better, not sure.
Not quite sure what you are talking about regarding the generations. The preview is a photograph of my bike, a 2015 DL650A (Gen 2 'A' model). Gen 3 has the stacked headlights.
I just checked out your bike on FB, your bike is a Gen 1. Different shaped side by side headlights among other things.
Oh alright, I thought the 2015 also had the stacked headlights. My mistake! Nice review....I enjoyed watching.
When the rear suspension bottoms out 2 up is that only on gravel roads or sealed roads as well?
reksubbn On bumpy sealed roads.
Joburble the rear suspension appears to be the one common complaint of the 650. Is it worth upgrading? I pick mine up in 5 days. Also were you happy with the lights. I often ride at night and am thinking about extra lighting. Thanks.
reksubbn Ride it, get to know your new bike, only upgrade the suspension if "you" find it lacking.
how much you weigh if I may ask? anyway the newer 650xt models seems to have quite good suspension.
As this is only a 2-up review I have only included our combined weight. It's at the very end of the video.
Were the boxes from suzuki?
reksubbn Yes. The boxes themselves are pretty good, but the keys are buttery soft and the locks accasionally stick. Just have to be careful when unlocking them.
nice review, been thinking about same bike but not sure if for 2up it's not gonna be better DL1000, what do you think? have you tried it?
I will keep this short and sweet because I think I have discussed this at length in either these comments or comments on another one of my videos.
I used to own a DL1000 (2008 model I think) and I put 18,000 km on it mainly 2-up. IMHO the 2015 DL650 is a way better bike than the 2008 DL1000 in every catagory but one, that is 2-up fully loaded at above 120kph. I have not ridden the new model DL1000, but in my opinion it would be a very hard push to beat the Africa Twin as an adventure bike for 2-up touring with luggage in the 1000cc bracket. About 3 weeks ago while on tour my wife and I had fun on a gravel road getting the back end out under power while fully loaded and 2-up on our Africa Twin. In the 1000cc bracket it'd go AT for sure. In the budget or 650 bracket I think along with countless others that the DL650 is the way to go. Yes, that was the short and sweet answer, lol.
I'd love to know what you end up buying.
@@Joburble thanks for short answer :) so you don't feel 650 is underpowered for 2up, that's good to hear. AT is nice but I don't need tubed tyres and 21" front wheel for riding with my wife. I am concerned about rear suspension though as you mentioned, although not sure what you meant, it's too soft or too harsh.
650 is definitely good value for the money,
DL1000 not that much as ity's close to AT and ST.
@@wildone2163 Rear suspension on the DL650 is too soft for 2-up with luggage and bottoms out easily on bumpy roads, so you have to manage it which mainly involves warning the passenger about approaching bumps. Having said that, I would still buy the same bike again for 2-up touring on a budget.
DL650's power won't tear your arms off but it will get the job.
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Great video and review! Thank you for sharing your experience with the dl650.
I own a 2012 model and one of the things I struggle with on a regular basis are (A) indeed the stock Bridgestone Scorpion trail tires for my 100% paved riding and (B) the fact that when there's load (passenger or luggage or both) the front of the bike tend to be super loose and sometimes it scares me a bit. Planning on installing a recommended fork brace on it to try to help keeping the front low when the back is heavy with load. A tank bag might help too. Have you experienced it too?
Question @Joburble: which tires did you end up putting on your dl650 after deciding to get rid of the stock trail ones?
I can't remember what tires I put on it, however for 100% road riding I very much like the Pilot Road 4 which I have used on another bike.
In regard to the front end feeling loose make sure that you have the rear preload set to maximum when you have a heavy load on the bike. This raises the rear of the bike and steepens up the fork rake slightly making the bike want to push the front less. Although this does make a difference you may not feel it very much, but it will help. (Note: don't do this if you are a lightweight and have no heavy luggage on board as at higher speeds especially with empty panniers it will make the bike tend to speed wobble).
The other thing that will help the front end feeling loose is if you sit slightly further forward in the corners.
A fork brace may help as some have suggested however on a DL thousand that I used to own I don't think it'd made that much difference. I'd be spending my money on a nice sticky front tyre instead of a fork brace but this is just a personal choice.
On my most recent trip on this DL650 I did notice some slight flex in the front end, but I found it manageable and it didn't create a problem.
One other thing which you could try that often gets neglected is changing the fork oil as it does wear out and makes a performance difference. I would stick with the factory recommended fork oil weight when changing the fork oil.
Hope some of this helps.
One other thing, when packing your luggage keep the heavier items forward and low in your packing.
hi, any comparison to pre beak modell dl 1000 ?
Please be aware that the comments below are just my opinion and they are only for the Pre-Beak DL1000 model in comparison to the DL650A model.
I used to own a pre-beak DL1000 (2008 model I think) and I put about 18,000km on it 2-up. In my opinion the 650 is a better all-round bike. The only place the 1000 would be better than the 650 is in a drag race or if you are always riding in a straight line at over 120kph with a fully laden bike. The reason I sold the 1000 was that I found the bike limiting when it came to being fully loaded on gravel roads. The front end just wanted to tuck and it was only a matter of time until I'd end up dropping it on the gravel roads. I found the 1000 to be a handful to negotiate round tight first and second gear corners even on sealed roads. If I was only ever going to ride on sealed 'open roads' and not first gear tight twisties then I'd buy another one tomorrow. The odd thing about the 1000 is the huge step in gearing between 1st and 2nd gear, this is a real pain fully loaded when ascending tight 1st and 2nd gear corners as it's uncomfortably revving in 1st, but won't pull 2nd. On the open road or when riding 1-up it's not a problem. The other odd thing is the huge step in gearing between 5th and 6th. I should imagine it would be great for freeways (70mph+) in 6th, but not much use at 60mph. The bike rides like a big heavy old beast in comparison to the 650 and you'd better get your lines right in the corners or she's not going round. It just means every corner has to be set up well in advance. On the road it steers okay, stops okay, goes okay.
The 1000 isn't just a 650 with more power, it's a completely different bike to ride even though it shares many of the same parts. Personally, given the choice I'd buy the 650 over the old 1000 every time. Also please be aware that ergonomics can play a huge roll in your opinion of a motorcycle and if I were a taller, heavier rider I may feel differently, but I'm not and I don't.
Strengths and weaknesses in comparison for 2-up riding with luggage.
DL1000 Strengths: Comfort (10/10) for rider and passenger, power, price, fuel range. "Very slightly" larger under seat storage than the 650
DL650 Strengths: Comfort (8-9/10) for rider and passenger, nimbleness, flexible forgiving power delivery with nice midrange, price, fuel economy, fuel range. Good feedback and feel from the road to the rider. Easily ride in city traffic. Feels much lighter and the weight feels lower than the 1000.
DL1000 Weaknesses: Heavy (weight feels high), poor stability on gravel, BAD wind buffeting, suspension is a 'little' soft if 2-up fully loaded. A bit of a handful to ride in city traffic.
DL650 Weaknesses: Rear suspension is too soft if 2-up and fully loaded
Joburble You should copy and paste this answer to the top of this video a lot more people would read it, thank you for putting this up 👌
What brands are those boxes?
They came on the bike as a Suzuki factory accessory, however I think they are identical SW Motech Trax Evo's. Maybe superseded now by Trax ION's.
@@Joburble Thanks! I'm looking to do some two up touring, and I found this video extremely helpful. So thanks a ton!
Im close to buying the 2014 650 with all the farkles,
did you go for it? how much did it run you? looking at a 2012 myself
Put 14kg/mm spring rear and 1.0kg fronts and it will solve all your problems
Travelled RTW on motorcycle your miles over weight better off with soft panniers own 2007 DL650 travelled around the block with the wife 15000 klms done outback tracks with no problems.
If I bought a V Strom I would want to be able to ride long distances on unsealed roads. Poor lights poor suspension. Doesn't sound so good.
reksubbn
The lights are not poor, they are actually good lights, but when 2-up and fully loaded they point up into the sky because the rear suspension squats too much under those conditions. If you are only riding 1-up that would not happen and you can adjust them, it's just a pain to do so in comparison to some other bikes. The suspension would be fine for 1-up riding with luggage in my opinion. If riding 2-up with luggage the rear suspension would ideally need an upgrade to at least a heavier spring in my opinion. I have been quite specific in my appraisal of this bike in that it is only a 2-up fully loaded review and as you have seen I have included our weights. From there you can work out if the bike would be suitable for you. As stated I haven't ridden it on gravel yet but I have ridden the DL1000 (08 model) on gravel and I didn't like it. However the 650 is in my opinion a far better bike. In 2019 I plan to put about another 20,000km on it and about 4000km of that will be 1-up with luggage and on gravel. I do expect it to be a good bike under those conditions judging from my experiences on it as stated in my review. In regard to long distances I think it is very comfortable and am planning to do 4 x 700km days on it back to back myself. Whether it would be the right bike for you depends on factors you haven't shared. Bang for buck it's a great bike in my opinion and should not be overlooked in your option of bikes to choose from. It all depends on what you want from a bike really.
Joburble TY for your comments. Riding a 400 Majesty scooter atm so riding on gravel not an option with this bike. Live in Australia so coping with gravel a must. Ride at night a lot so good lighting essential. 60 yo so concerned that 1000 may be a bit heavy. Serious off road unlikely. My wife is still indecided if she wants to ride with me. If so her comfort is the only priority! Liking the African twin or V Strom 650 atm. Commuting 140 km every day. What is the longevity of the 650 motor vs 1000? Cheers.
reksubbn
Another thing I didn't mention in my reply to you was alternative bikes.
I saw on your video playlists that you may also be interested in the Africa Twin. It is obviously a LOT more expensive, but if you are doing mainly long distances 2-up and fully loaded on gravel it is a stunning bike right out of the crate. The suspension, brakes and handling on gravel are terrific. The ergonomics for a person 5'11" to 6'1" seem right on the money too. At lower speeds while street riding the AT feels heavier than the DL650 and is less nimble round town, but is certainly rideable in those conditions.
The other bike that in my opinion must be considered if you are riding gravel roads and trails 1-up is the DR650SE. It is a RTW capable bike and with a better seat, larger gas tank and screen added is a stunning bang for buck dual sport highway capable bike too (just not luxury).
I own all three of these bikes and while the DR650SE has no finesse in comparison to the other two, it is my "go-to" bike for 1-up gravel road riding loaded with luggage for 1.
The Africa Twin is the "Rolls Royce" of the pack with better everything, especially for two up riding. And the V-Strom, well... the video says it all including that I'd happily buy another one.
Let me know what you get?
I hope I have been of some help.
:)
reksubbn
No one knows how far the AT motor will go yet, but the DL650 motor is legendary for reliability I understand. If you are riding "bumpy" gravel roads 2-up and passenger comfort is a MUST then the AT is brilliant. My wife and I have hit some significant potholes and bumps 2-up and fully loaded without a problem. The DL650 with the same load and same conditions would have been physically painful on our backs and we are 50+ too. Riding the AT 2-up and loaded we get an average of 20.5km/L and it's an 18.8L tank. I haven't ridden in Aussy, but from what I've seen of the gravel and outback roads I'd be going AT all the way. The suspension alone would make that choice for me.
If you check out my channel you will see I do a 1-up and 2-up review of the AT. Just disregard the "hunting" motor comment, got that all sorted no probs. Seat is nicely height adjustable on the AT too.