I’ve owned a LOT of motorcycles in the last 20 years. Including two Vstrom 650s and one 1000. The 650 is one of my favorite motorcycles. I traded my first 650 in on a 17 Africa twin. That was a huge mistake. I can’t think of many bikes I’ve enjoyed more than my vstroms.
This is likely the most thoughtfully explained reviews of the Vstrom 650 I've watched. And I think I've watched most of them. I bought my '15 Vstrom 650 5 years ago as my first ever motorcycle at the ripe age of 47. 5 seasons and 17K miles later I cannot agree more with your views - they are spot on and fair. Needless to say it's been not only a great bike to learn on but also one that has allowed me to continue to advance my skills, confidence and adventures. It's a pleasure to ride whether I'm on my favorite early morning 50 mile loop or escaping on a multi-state multi-day trip. I can easily say it's the best bike I've ever owned. 🤣
I run the same bike (gen2). Very reliable and smooth commuter. I have taken it across states and when I sit on it a long time I always want to kick my legs out. That will be my next add-on if I find a suitable contraption for front-forward pegs. But for running around and enjoying summer its incredible for its repeatability. Always makes me smile.
The buffeting is one of those gremlins that people have been trying to sort out for years. Change the mirrors. Add deflectors to the crash bars. Bigger shield. Smaller shield. No shield. Madstad multi-position shield. I tried pretty much everything except the lower deflectors (some day), but I did finally fix the buffeting. Basically, I went back to the stock shield, which for the gen 1 is pretty low and doesn't adjust, and then just added a cheap Chinese import $30 multi-position spoiler attached to it. At the highest position of the spoiler, it sends the airstream right over my helmet, but leaves enough gap between itself and the main shield that a fair bit of air flows between, so there's no low pressure zone created and far less turbulence. It looks kind of silly. But it works great, especially for warm weather riding. I also have a tall Cee-Baily (look through) shield that I can quickly swap in for the colder/wet weather, and again, the spoiler works wonders with that too 😎
6.2 ft or 193cm Found a solution givi airflow, in the lowest position! Titled slightly rear wards.. before this solution it was unbearable, nausiating really..
The engine on these bikes is a gem. I owned a Gen 1 2006 V-strom 650 and loved it. I've also owned two SV650's, a naked and a faired model. Suzuki really got it right with this little v-twin. Everything you said rings true, I sold my Strom back in 2012 after 6 years of ownership but I remember it well, a fantastic all-rounder that will just keep going. Mine never missed a beat during my ownership, I did not have a single issue with it. I am in the market for a bike again and have been looking at used versions of these, so may end up with one again.
I have a 2012 650 vstrom, and I saw alot of videos saying exactly what he is saying about this bike. That's why I got one! It's not great at anything, but it's very good at everything. Not too exciting, and reliably boring descriptions were too subjective for me to pass on this bike. It's the best overall bike I've ever had and I enjoy riding it every time I get on it. Everyone I meet that had a Vstrom regrets getting rid of it. I hear the same thing in these videos. If I ever got rid of it, it would be to get a new one.
This is peter in Africa, uganda this review needs an award you explained it to the very best among all the reviews hv watched mine is a 2016 the last look with a beak of gen 2 i enjoy the sweet spot of that vtwin engine freeways btn 5500rpm onwards
Thank you. i have watched dozens of reviews on this bike and no one has ever explained the difference in the gen1, gen2, and 1000. also had no idea about the dash control. best review on youtube. cheers
I am almost always using less than 4L per 100km so 500km on a full tank is safe. Best 3.43. Worst, recently on slower rough hilly roads with a pillion, 5.2.
My 2013 V-Strom 650, which I purchased after deciding I wanted to stop chasing tech and power, is fantastic. I’ll stop for fuel at 400km and, doing the math, could probably hit 500.(my nerves won’t let me go there…) You’re right about the riding manner, it likes to sit at 3500 to 4000rpm in 6th which I find about 90 kph. My only gripe is at 4500 to 5000 rpm there’s significant vibes at the pegs and grips. This could be the crash bars transmitting the engine vibes through the frame, I don’t know. But it means you have to go faster to clear the threshold (or slower if that’s an option.) And that exhaust note through 6000 and up just entices spirited riding. Without putting you at crazy death wish speed! What a great bike.
I think if a lot of riders stopped reading about what they shouid ride, and instead, like you, stopped chasing tech and insane power, they'd actually be happier (and wealthier). Image has a lot to account for. You could be right about the crash bars, i don't remember that on mine (back in 2013+ which didn't have crash bars. The one I rode for a couple days didn't suffer either, so you could be onto something. Cheers.
I have one (my first and only bike) for 3 years now. Great bike for solo riding, on paved or unpaved roads, not pleasant riding it off-road. I'm gonna keep it 'till I or it can't be fixed...
Great review. I have a 2018 model, bought in 2019 with the "Adventure Pack" including crash bars, side boxes. I have ridden 15,000 kms (on the same roads as you have shown) and am very pleased with the bike. When I bought it, I had a "higher high seat" added, and lower pegs. I am 6' 2", with 33" inside leg. The changes made all the difference, as I found when riding the same model while mine was being serviced. (My friend watched me riding the loaner and said, "you just looked awkward" - the lower seat and higher pegs did not suit me!) So, if you are taller, or shorter, there is a range available for adjusting. Once adjusted, I loved the bike. Otherwise, all is as you have said. Thank you.
This is probably the best review, I was pretty sold on getting a DL650 but this solidified the idea. Excited to not HAVE to get a brand new bike but find one used and save some money.
Great review! I have a 2017 (new model) and I love it. Enough power, handles very well, very capable and I'm quite happy with all of it. You mentioned mpg... Riding at 454 mph on our county roads in SW Colorado, I have done several tanks at 60+mpg. Not that good if I'm "playing" with the throttle. Surprising passing power and totally predictable. At 6'3" and 215 lbs. I did lower the pegs 1 inch and put 2" Rox pivoting bar risers. Added a Sit&Fly seat cover and a Givi adjustable wind screen and Givi luggage. Hard to imagine a more pleasant ADV bike for pavement and dirt roads. Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for sharing. I am about to become a moto driver and look at this bike as my first one but you don’t really find many people that recommend this as someone’s first bike. I am excited to start driving with this one and as I know myself, If this bike it is good I will probably own it for a very long time. Thanks for sharing!
There is a lot of media inspired hyperbole out there. When that is ripped away from the discussions on motorbikes, this is absolutely one of the best bikes. It's not glamorous, expensive or the most capable, but it does everything very well, is bullet proof and reliable, and is friendly unlike any other bike I can think of in its range. Cheers.
I love mine for touring on two lane roads. Mine is a 2017. If it had a bit more edge coming out of tight corners in 2nd and third, I'd like that, but would also be going faster, and really when touring it is about just being smooth that gives me pleasure. It has a very reasuring idle too. All the bike I need. The only off road I'd bother with is a dirt or gravel road. It does fine on that.
I own a 2015 model, it is everything I want from a bike (52yrs old). Great and fair review, I agree with everything you said, the only thing you could added is that not only it does not break, but if it does, parts are quite cheap, in my experience, and normal servicing is cheap too. Unbeatable value for money.
Thanks, Alberto. Just got back from a 3000+km circle route in BC: met 3 riders, two very dirty 650 vstroms - they had ridden them on mainly dirt roads exploring dams. The riders couldn't say enough about them - and the smiles said it all. Great bikes.
As you know I currently own a gen 3 2017 Vstrom 650. Love it. And you know I have owned 3 1000 cc models 2003, 2006and 2014 also had a gen 2 650. I agree with everything you said. Spot on. I love my current 650 and feel it is a little bit better than the gen 2. I’m seeing average mileage ranges of over 500 Kms per tank. Would I prefer the 1000. Or 1050 now. Absolutely. But for the money and insurance costs here in Ontario I’ll stick with the 650. But there is no replacement for displacement. I absolutely also recommend the 650. Love it.
Yes, I rode the gen 2 around for a couple of days and really enjoyed it. Solo, and with a few tweaks (screen), there's really no difference on back roads to the 1000; it's only when you get to higher speeds and more load that the 1000 sparkles more brightly. Cheers.
It make me chuckle a bit when someone says something like "My V-Strom has 40K on it now but it still runs great." OK, so? There are Stroms out there with 100K more miles on them that that that run every bit as well. 40K, 80k, 100k, that's _nothing_ on a 650 V-Strom.
I've just found this revisit review. I'm in the UK and have a 2015 VStrom 650 which looks very similar to the one in the video. Last year I did just over 5,000 miles on mine including a 2,000 seven day tour up the tip of Scotland and home to the South West again, almost none of it on the motorways (highways). My bike has the GIVI Aeroflow screen which I would recommend getting. I also have a fork brace which helps with the tendency to follow tram lines on the bl**dy awful gravel 'top dressed' roads we have in places in the UK, also a front fender extender which just helps keep a little of the front wheel dirt away from the bash guard / exhaust. One major tip, especially for new riders, make sure your front tyre is in perfect condition. I had Battlax A40's on when I bought the bike (with 24,000 miles on), they had plenty of tread but had worn asymmetrically and made the front end twitchy and unpredictable. It took me a quite few miles to work out what the issue was, but with a new set of rubber on the issue was resolved. Tyre pressure too can make a big difference to the feel of the bike. The DL650 is a wonderful bike and I have another busy touring year planned for 2022.
Thanks for the comments. I just purchased a 2013 pretty much identical to the one reviewed and the 1,200 mile ride home from California to Colorado was not bad. Two things I wondered about was the front felt less stable than I would like with a slight wobble occasionally, which could be the 70/30 tires. And the idea of some sort of cruise, that is a looong time to hold the throttle without being able to rest that hand!
@@stevemoon9808 Unstable front end is almost certainly tyres (tires). Mine had some Bridgstone Battlaxe's fitted and the front was pretty scary. A change to Avon Spirit ST and it was an entirely different bike. Prior to the tyre change I also fitted a fork brace which also helped.
@@BlueMarbleRider ha ha, I should say I sold my starter bike (Honda CTX700 DCT) and bought the 13 v-strom, first real bike I'm working the gears. Absolutely love it and see it as a bike I will continue to build out for some touring and camping with friends. So easy and fun to ride, great video sir!
Bittersweet feelings today! A guy will arrive in a few hours to buy my 2013 V-strom650 which I've replaced with a Super Tenere ES. Not yet sure I'm doing the right thing!
Well there's only one way to find out: hope it works out. I've never ridden a Tenere, but I believe they're underrated too, so you could be in for a nice surprise. Cheers.
@@BlueMarbleRider I am definitely loving the Super Tenere. Loved my V-strom650, the Yamaha feels more substantial and stable, better at freeway speeds.
I've had both. Loved both. In the great west of the USA, the Tenere will put down some more comfortable big miles. The Wee also got me from Louisiana to Pikes Peak (1,000 + miles) in less than 24 hrs. If you only do 1 or 2 BIG tours a year, the Wee is the better bike. Given a choice between the two, the Wee wins, imho. Current ride is a 2020 NC 750X DCT and am considering the Wee for my tours (more comfortable).
@@myjhong91 Just spent time riding the Super Tenere in Washington, Idaho, Oregon and Montana. Fantastic road bike, not quite as playful as the V-strom650 on smaller backroads.
You'll miss the V-strom as soon as you get a rear wheel puncture in the rain and you're wrangling the wheel off and hoping not to damage the rims while trying to get the tyre off... Tubed tyres? No thanks...
Hi BMR, I’ve been following your channel for some time now, and it’s just because I’ve bought a 2022 v Strom 650, that this review popped up again, thought I’d comment on it as I’ve owned both 1000 and 1050. Excellent review by the way. I would agree, the big bike is probably the best for touring etc, but there is something about the 650, I can’t put my finger on it, but it feels sweeter, lighter, and IMO steers better. Each to their own, and I haven’t mentioned fuel efficiency, but I don’t feel short changed with the 650. Maybe I’m getting old, 61, but believe this or not, I traded in a Ducati V2’s for the 650, great bike, some people might think that’s crazy, but I still don’t feel short changed. Keep up the good work, I even enjoy your Moto Guzzi reviews 👍
@ejkirk5493. Pulled up for a break in my 650. A husband and wife were there both riding VStrom 1,000.’s I asked them about the bikes and they said that they both had 650’s and traded them in for the 1000 . They both agreed that they thought the 650 was a better bike and were sorry they changed to the 1000. I love my 650, it is the perfect bike from for me. I purchased it new in April 2018 (a 2017 model) and have done nearly 55,000 trouble free km. I am 80 next March and I hope to keep riding her for a few years yet. I guess when I can’t pick it up on my own I might have to get a lighter bike or give up. The last time I dropped it in my driveway was two years ago, I picked it up ok then, and I think I still can.
Great Review ! I had this Exact loaner a couple weeks prior from Mile zero when I had my 2020 in for its first service ! I found the seat a tad more comfortable than my 2020 650 ! Rode it home through Yellowpoint and had to slow because of the gravel in some sections. Rode this past Monday again through Yellowpoint and its repaved and no more gravel! Someone told me it was in the best shape in the 35 years he has ridden on it ! For me I find on this one and on mine , I like to be in the 5-7,000 rev range .
Yes took it out again today and re rode those new sections. Definitely the best road surface around, and far better than it used to be! I used to use the really bad sections to test bike's suspension and handling...guess I'll have to find somewhere new now :-)
I bought the 2014 V-Strom 650 with 69 hp as my very first bike, still not done with my license, but I've tried it (legally) and I'm happy with it. the driving school got the SV650 with a more powerful tuning of 95 hp, but I simply can't say I like it, as it's so low that it's uncomfortable over time. same engine, different tunings, and different style of bike, still, the V-Strom is the clear winner for me getting a license takes time in Norway, or Europe in general, compared to the US, where it seems to be just about a test, and bare minimum stuff to learn. we're at least allowed to train legally on public roads here, with either an instructor, or someone who had their license for 5+ years, and they're at least 25 y/o, so I've trained both with the school/instructor, and family
Great to hear you're getting your license. The UK is similar to Norway - probably for the best. Here in Canada, you can jump on any bike (yes a Ducati V4S/BMWs1000RR/Kawasaki H2R) and take a round the cones parking lot test. Then you ride for a few weeks with a friend with experience (full license), then take a short road test. Then you are considered a motorcycle rider. It's like putting a kid in canon, shooting them out, and expecting them to fly safely. Yes, agree, while the SV and Vstom share the same motor, they are quite different.
@@BlueMarbleRider I got my license at monday morning, while it was raining a little. during this week, I've already done like 500 km on my V-Strom, and it's insane how comfortable it is compared to the SV650. I just need a small tank bag for easily accessible stuff, like credit cards and I'm good btw, the US and Norway might have similarities for the test, but we have to do hours of training with an instructor, going thru 3 levels of skill mastering, incl. a 3 hour session on a track for experience, a 6 hour session with an instructor on public roads as a "long trip" experience, and so on. in total, we have to pay about $3k for our license also, we have 3 levels of the license. A1 for 125cc and max 11 kW power, A2 for 35 kW power and max power of 0,2 kW/kg weight of the bike, and A, which is no restriction each level has age restrictions as well, so A1 is 16 y/o, A2 is 18 y/o, and A is a little more complicated, because it is 24 y/o, but we can "upgrade" from A2 after 2 years to A as well, meaning someone who got their A2 when they turned 18, they can upgrade to A when they're turning 20, but as far as I remember, they have to be 21 y/o to actually be fully unrestricted
BTW, I am also a Husaberg rider! My son-in-law and I both ride Husaberg FE390s for dirt bikes - now street legal and doing the TransAmericaTrail on the Bergs / done Oregon to Arkansas so far, still hoping to finish the Arkansas to North Carolina sections next year. LOVE the 70 degree Berg!
So cool! I'd love to do those trails on the Berg. It's my favourite machine ever. Love all my bikes, but it's the last one I'll part with. Just did the fork seals and took her for a spin the other day. Video to come in the next few weeks. Cheers. And enjoy the Bergs!
great review! thx. 1st raider here looking for my 1st budget bike to get into touring /small off road for camping. unfortunately i cant afford the latest one, 2021 but i see 2012-14 should fit the bill.
Thanks BlueMarbleRider, interesting review. I’m hoping to have one soon, as my first big bike, and this helps me a lot with this bike being my first choice.🙏👍
Yes, I have ridden the Tracer. Different sort of bike for me. I enjoyed both. I found the TDM shield to have the same problem as the vstrom - lots of buffeting. Aftermarket is the way to go. Cheers.
I bought a new 2015 DL650 XT, the first ever new machine in over fifty years of motorcycling, having only bought good secondhand bikes, apart from The first horror a 1954 125 BSA Bantam bought n 1962 it was a dog, bought for a five sold a couple of months later for thirty bob. Love the V-Strom, however top milage this old git can handle riding it in a day is about two hundred miles, even this will set my rear end on fire. My goto bike is my Kawasaki GT550, riding this machine is really armchair riding to me, with it Air suspension , I have clocked uo over 400 miles on a day round my part of Scotland with no ill effects whatsoever other than the pain of its MPG, which is no where near the DL650 XT, I have recorded 74 MPG on the computer, its only clocked up 6000 miles being so uncomfortable to ride. However you description of its handling is very accurate. No doubt it will become someone 'barn find' along with all my other classic Motorcycles one day..
I owned a fox orange vstrom 2012. Twice !!! Bought one in LA area. Rode out. Sold 10 days later. Mistake. Bought another in Seattle area. Rode out. Sold it. Just great bike. I own five now but here I am again pondering vstrom. Now question is do I try the 1000 next time ? One fine motorcycle. The 650 like shown I mean
It's slow for a bike but i can ride 16 hours no problems on mine. And it handles well enough that it is fun, i always scrape the skid plate because i corner too hard but oh well. Good bike for daily cheap and doesn't break, good fuel economy
Slow? 70bhp? Z900 in its hey day the fastest bike power to weight was same as the 650. My honda cb750k7 was 70ish hp. I cannot ride my 21 plate 650 flat out on road.I live in uk. It will cruise 90mph 6500rpm. In 3rd it will do 30-90 very strong torque curve. Agreed in a straight line or track it’s down on power but for road riding it’s my favourite bike out of the 44 I’ve owned. Mine does 70mpg when being caned. My favourite is the suspension on bumpy roads. Wheels never leave ground so much better than hyper bikes I’ve owned at least on uk shitty roads
@volt8684 sorry for the late reply, I live in America and it is underpowered on the freeway and I am constantly looking for 7th gear. I get around 35mpg doing 90mph on the highway. 63hp used to be good for bikes but nowadays with many cars having at least 200hp now and the electric cars like telsa it is absolutely underpowered. You will probably beat most gasoline cars off the line but they will pass you eventually as they have a higher top speed. And electric cars will beat this bike at all speeds, which is a safety issue for me since i use acceleration as a defensive riding technique
Love this bike!!! Do you think is beginner froendly ad first bike!? I am 1,83cm high with 110kg, passing from maxi scooter to proper motorcycles. Great review, thanx and regards from far away Serbia 🇷🇸✌️
Yes, definitely, Alen, this is a very friendly, easy to ride, and perfect bike for a beginner or novice. It will also keep you comfortable, entertained and do it cheaply and reliably. Cheers.
Spectacular review! Ya, I’m all in on the V-Strom. Question; I’m around 6’4” and 240lbs. Would I fit this bike comfortably? I do like lower bikes and being flat footed at stops and in the dirt. I sat on a Kawasaki KLR and even being tall, I didn’t like the height.
Ordinarily, I might say you were too tall, but given your propensity to avoid taller off road bikes, this may be the bike for you. It's not short by any means, and may suit you perferctly.
I’m 6’5” with a 35” inseam and I ride a 2013 DL650. It could be a tiny bit bigger but honestly I ride it for 3 to 6 hours at a time and I’m never very sore or stiff - and I’m 54 with lower back issues. If I rode a cruiser I’d be happier with the “cool” factor but that’s about it.
I get 70 mpg on my 20k 2012 model, not the best looking bike but does everything above average. Apparently the V stands for versatile and not the V twin. The turbulence/buffeting seems to be coming from low down and running up your legs/torso causing the helmet buffeting. On the forums there are many who have made some side deflectors which have reduced it considerably. i watched a very interesting video by MCrider who describes in detail the reason for the buffeting.
650? 1000? I'm pretty sure anything before 2016 in North America is free of Euro 4 (they do have emissions, but not to that level). Moto Guzzi stopped producing the Griso 1200 SE in 2016 as they couldn't make the big 1200 block compatable with the Euro 4 specs.
The cam is an older Gopro Hero 5 Black running at 2.7/4K 60fps and on the bike a older Hero 5 Session. Still going strong and both capable of high quality footage; however, they lack updated image stabilization compared to the newer models. Conversely, the sound on the older ones is more reliable...Might find some older ones on Amazon (second hand) or Marketplace. Don't pay too much for them - they're up to the Go Pro 10 now...
1-first bike - yes..... 2) Touring.... yes... but if it had cruise it would be perfect for one up touring, 3) ADV.... fire road, gravel roads sure... I have a GS.... and I'm not an off roader.... if I needed to replace my GS today, I'd go for the V-Strom 1000 with cruise (I had a 2014 V-Strom 1000 before the GS). If cruise was on the 650 that would change things a lot)
I'm not a cruise person, but having ridden the 1050, I see the attraction. The next itineration of the 650 will likely have cruise according to my local dealer. It may be announced late August, but it's more likely for 2023 with the GSX-S 1000T.
I depends what you want: Tracer is sporty; Vstrom is least sporty but most comfortable and likely better for touring. The Versys is somewhere between. . The tracer is much lighter than both bikes and smaller than the versys. The tracer is very like the mto7 - fun light and flickable, but the suspension lets it down. It's more punchy than both the other bikes, with good torque and better top end. The Versys is more predictable, more neutral, not quite as much fun, but more comfortable and adventure bike like. The vstrom is more comfortable than both, with more torque, but the engine feels anemic compared the Tracer 700. Like the Vstrom would tour better and be more comfortable. For me, it's the tracer. The CP2 engine is a delight. The tracer is cheaper than the versys: use the money saved to get a better aftermarket shock for better damping and you've got a great bike. Hope this helps. Cheers.
Yes, but it's closer than you might think ~30lbs, having owned both: 2012-2014 DL650:470lbs (and more top heavy); 2014 - 2020 DL1000 500lbs. Certainly the DL1000 feels lighter as the 650 feels slightly top heavy. Cheers, thanks for the feed back.
I’ve owned a LOT of motorcycles in the last 20 years. Including two Vstrom 650s and one 1000. The 650 is one of my favorite motorcycles. I traded my first 650 in on a 17 Africa twin. That was a huge mistake. I can’t think of many bikes I’ve enjoyed more than my vstroms.
Why do you regret having the Africa twin?
@@whatthefitt Boat anchor.
Did you try the Tdm 900 ? I can’t decide btw Vstrom 650 and Tdm 900
I dare to write a small sentence: one of the BEST bikes EVER build.
Simple as that.
Great review, cheers.
Wow, thanks!
This is likely the most thoughtfully explained reviews of the Vstrom 650 I've watched. And I think I've watched most of them. I bought my '15 Vstrom 650 5 years ago as my first ever motorcycle at the ripe age of 47. 5 seasons and 17K miles later I cannot agree more with your views - they are spot on and fair. Needless to say it's been not only a great bike to learn on but also one that has allowed me to continue to advance my skills, confidence and adventures. It's a pleasure to ride whether I'm on my favorite early morning 50 mile loop or escaping on a multi-state multi-day trip. I can easily say it's the best bike I've ever owned. 🤣
I agree. Sold mine to go bigger. Now I'm going smaller (66 yo with some damage😮) BTW 1 riding season , 18,000 miles😊
I run the same bike (gen2). Very reliable and smooth commuter. I have taken it across states and when I sit on it a long time I always want to kick my legs out. That will be my next add-on if I find a suitable contraption for front-forward pegs. But for running around and enjoying summer its incredible for its repeatability. Always makes me smile.
Thanks for sharing
The buffeting is one of those gremlins that people have been trying to sort out for years. Change the mirrors. Add deflectors to the crash bars. Bigger shield. Smaller shield. No shield. Madstad multi-position shield. I tried pretty much everything except the lower deflectors (some day), but I did finally fix the buffeting. Basically, I went back to the stock shield, which for the gen 1 is pretty low and doesn't adjust, and then just added a cheap Chinese import $30 multi-position spoiler attached to it. At the highest position of the spoiler, it sends the airstream right over my helmet, but leaves enough gap between itself and the main shield that a fair bit of air flows between, so there's no low pressure zone created and far less turbulence. It looks kind of silly. But it works great, especially for warm weather riding. I also have a tall Cee-Baily (look through) shield that I can quickly swap in for the colder/wet weather, and again, the spoiler works wonders with that too 😎
6.2 ft or 193cm Found a solution givi airflow, in the lowest position! Titled slightly rear wards.. before this solution it was unbearable, nausiating really..
The engine on these bikes is a gem. I owned a Gen 1 2006 V-strom 650 and loved it. I've also owned two SV650's, a naked and a faired model. Suzuki really got it right with this little v-twin. Everything you said rings true, I sold my Strom back in 2012 after 6 years of ownership but I remember it well, a fantastic all-rounder that will just keep going. Mine never missed a beat during my ownership, I did not have a single issue with it. I am in the market for a bike again and have been looking at used versions of these, so may end up with one again.
I'm pretty sure I'll cross paths with one again. Like you say, they're a gem. Cheers.
Wise man. Just bought my second 3rd gen DL650. I love these wonderful bikes. They're always at the ready.
Took the screen off my 2011, gen 1, best thing I’ve done to it. Clean smooth air now. Glorious.
Bang on. I replaced mine. Suzuki have yet to make a reasonable OEM screen for any Vstrom. I've had two, and ridden the new 1050, and they all suffer.
Indeed.
I just took mine completely off after trying different things .
Now it’s brilliant.
I have a 2012 650 vstrom, and I saw alot of videos saying exactly what he is saying about this bike. That's why I got one! It's not great at anything, but it's very good at everything. Not too exciting, and reliably boring descriptions were too subjective for me to pass on this bike. It's the best overall bike I've ever had and I enjoy riding it every time I get on it. Everyone I meet that had a Vstrom regrets getting rid of it. I hear the same thing in these videos. If I ever got rid of it, it would be to get a new one.
You certainly echo everything I have heard about the bike. Mine was an amazing bike, so much so that I bought the 1000 afterwards. Cheers.
sound like the Nokia 3310 in the phone world to me...I have the same bike by the way...2023 model 650XT
This is peter in Africa, uganda this review needs an award you explained it to the very best among all the reviews hv watched mine is a 2016 the last look with a beak of gen 2 i enjoy the sweet spot of that vtwin engine freeways btn 5500rpm onwards
Thanks, Peter. Reliable bikes. Probably perfect for Uganda.
Thank you. i have watched dozens of reviews on this bike and no one has ever explained the difference in the gen1, gen2, and 1000. also had no idea about the dash control. best review on youtube. cheers
Glad it was helpful. Thanks.
I've done 600 km without refuelling. Best tourer ever.
Amazing bike - so frugal but fun. Cheers.
I am almost always using less than 4L per 100km so 500km on a full tank is safe. Best 3.43. Worst, recently on slower rough hilly roads with a pillion, 5.2.
My 2013 V-Strom 650, which I purchased after deciding I wanted to stop chasing tech and power, is fantastic. I’ll stop for fuel at 400km and, doing the math, could probably hit 500.(my nerves won’t let me go there…)
You’re right about the riding manner, it likes to sit at 3500 to 4000rpm in 6th which I find about 90 kph. My only gripe is at 4500 to 5000 rpm there’s significant vibes at the pegs and grips. This could be the crash bars transmitting the engine vibes through the frame, I don’t know. But it means you have to go faster to clear the threshold (or slower if that’s an option.) And that exhaust note through 6000 and up just entices spirited riding. Without putting you at crazy death wish speed! What a great bike.
I think if a lot of riders stopped reading about what they shouid ride, and instead, like you, stopped chasing tech and insane power, they'd actually be happier (and wealthier). Image has a lot to account for. You could be right about the crash bars, i don't remember that on mine (back in 2013+ which didn't have crash bars. The one I rode for a couple days didn't suffer either, so you could be onto something. Cheers.
Radio, there is a whole thing on the "thrust nut torqueing" that really helps out with this.
This and the Versys 650 are legendary sport Adventure bikes, but I love the character of the Vstrom better. And both are under appreciated
I have one (my first and only bike) for 3 years now. Great bike for solo riding, on paved or unpaved roads, not pleasant riding it off-road. I'm gonna keep it 'till I or it can't be fixed...
I am thinking the same about my Vstrom - it's worth more to me than the few dollars I'd ever get for it - and it just keeps on going. Cheers.
Great review. I have a 2018 model, bought in 2019 with the "Adventure Pack" including crash bars, side boxes. I have ridden 15,000 kms (on the same roads as you have shown) and am very pleased with the bike. When I bought it, I had a "higher high seat" added, and lower pegs. I am 6' 2", with 33" inside leg. The changes made all the difference, as I found when riding the same model while mine was being serviced. (My friend watched me riding the loaner and said, "you just looked awkward" - the lower seat and higher pegs did not suit me!)
So, if you are taller, or shorter, there is a range available for adjusting. Once adjusted, I loved the bike. Otherwise, all is as you have said. Thank you.
Great feed back for taller riders. Thanks.
I have one the same colour. I rode it around the world in 2018-19
A perfect bike for it! Thanks for the feedback.
This is probably the best review, I was pretty sold on getting a DL650 but this solidified the idea. Excited to not HAVE to get a brand new bike but find one used and save some money.
Getting my first MC in a few days a V-Strom 650XA. Can't wait! 😀
Have fun!
Great review! I have a 2017 (new model) and I love it. Enough power, handles very well, very capable and I'm quite happy with all of it. You mentioned mpg... Riding at 454 mph on our county roads in SW Colorado, I have done several tanks at 60+mpg. Not that good if I'm "playing" with the throttle. Surprising passing power and totally predictable. At 6'3" and 215 lbs. I did lower the pegs 1 inch and put 2" Rox pivoting bar risers. Added a Sit&Fly seat cover and a Givi adjustable wind screen and Givi luggage. Hard to imagine a more pleasant ADV bike for pavement and dirt roads. Thanks for a great video!
Nicely put, Geezer.
YIPES!!! I meant, "Riding at 45 mph on country roads..." 🤣
Thank you for the review. I passed my test on Wednesday and I’m about to buy one this afternoon so was delighted to watch your review of the bike.
Congrats! Glad the review was helpful. Loved my 650. Cheers.
I bought one new last year - love it
Thanks for sharing. I am about to become a moto driver and look at this bike as my first one but you don’t really find many people that recommend this as someone’s first bike. I am excited to start driving with this one and as I know myself, If this bike it is good I will probably own it for a very long time. Thanks for sharing!
There is a lot of media inspired hyperbole out there. When that is ripped away from the discussions on motorbikes, this is absolutely one of the best bikes. It's not glamorous, expensive or the most capable, but it does everything very well, is bullet proof and reliable, and is friendly unlike any other bike I can think of in its range. Cheers.
I love mine for touring on two lane roads. Mine is a 2017. If it had a bit more edge coming out of tight corners in 2nd and third, I'd like that, but would also be going faster, and really when touring it is about just being smooth that gives me pleasure. It has a very reasuring idle too. All the bike I need. The only off road I'd bother with is a dirt or gravel road. It does fine on that.
I own a 2015 model, it is everything I want from a bike (52yrs old).
Great and fair review, I agree with everything you said, the only thing you could added is that not only it does not break, but if it does, parts are quite cheap, in my experience, and normal servicing is cheap too.
Unbeatable value for money.
Thanks, Alberto. Just got back from a 3000+km circle route in BC: met 3 riders, two very dirty 650 vstroms - they had ridden them on mainly dirt roads exploring dams. The riders couldn't say enough about them - and the smiles said it all. Great bikes.
I’m 56, just passed my test (in the UK) and this will be my first bike… I’m looking forward to riding this, a lot! 👍
I have one, fantastic bike and the best I've ever owned. Great review.
As you know I currently own a gen 3 2017 Vstrom 650. Love it. And you know I have owned 3 1000 cc models 2003, 2006and 2014 also had a gen 2 650.
I agree with everything you said. Spot on. I love my current 650 and feel it is a little bit better than the gen 2. I’m seeing average mileage ranges of over 500 Kms per tank. Would I prefer the 1000. Or 1050 now. Absolutely. But for the money and insurance costs here in Ontario I’ll stick with the 650. But there is no replacement for displacement. I absolutely also recommend the 650. Love it.
Yes, I rode the gen 2 around for a couple of days and really enjoyed it. Solo, and with a few tweaks (screen), there's really no difference on back roads to the 1000; it's only when you get to higher speeds and more load that the 1000 sparkles more brightly. Cheers.
Have a 2013 with 77,000 miles (123,000 kms) You just can't beat these or SV 650's for the money.
Finally a good review with answers i was looking for, ty man.
It make me chuckle a bit when someone says something like "My V-Strom has 40K on it now but it still runs great." OK, so? There are Stroms out there with 100K more miles on them that that that run every bit as well. 40K, 80k, 100k, that's _nothing_ on a 650 V-Strom.
Such a thorough review with great narration! Made me think of Alain de Cadanet when he would review motorcars.
I'll take that!
I've just found this revisit review. I'm in the UK and have a 2015 VStrom 650 which looks very similar to the one in the video. Last year I did just over 5,000 miles on mine including a 2,000 seven day tour up the tip of Scotland and home to the South West again, almost none of it on the motorways (highways). My bike has the GIVI Aeroflow screen which I would recommend getting. I also have a fork brace which helps with the tendency to follow tram lines on the bl**dy awful gravel 'top dressed' roads we have in places in the UK, also a front fender extender which just helps keep a little of the front wheel dirt away from the bash guard / exhaust. One major tip, especially for new riders, make sure your front tyre is in perfect condition. I had Battlax A40's on when I bought the bike (with 24,000 miles on), they had plenty of tread but had worn asymmetrically and made the front end twitchy and unpredictable. It took me a quite few miles to work out what the issue was, but with a new set of rubber on the issue was resolved. Tyre pressure too can make a big difference to the feel of the bike. The DL650 is a wonderful bike and I have another busy touring year planned for 2022.
Thanks, Neil - valuable tips and review there. Thanks.
Thanks for the comments. I just purchased a 2013 pretty much identical to the one reviewed and the 1,200 mile ride home from California to Colorado was not bad. Two things I wondered about was the front felt less stable than I would like with a slight wobble occasionally, which could be the 70/30 tires. And the idea of some sort of cruise, that is a looong time to hold the throttle without being able to rest that hand!
@@stevemoon9808 Unstable front end is almost certainly tyres (tires). Mine had some Bridgstone Battlaxe's fitted and the front was pretty scary. A change to Avon Spirit ST and it was an entirely different bike. Prior to the tyre change I also fitted a fork brace which also helped.
I like it. Rode one when my bike was being serviced at Mile Zero.
I have a 2013 vstrom 650 as my 2nd bike and I love it. Only 4K miles so I’m still breaking it in. Can’t wait to do some light touring on it this year.
The perfect bike for it, Chris. You call it your second bike now...but those things have a way of kicking the other one out of the nest... :-)
@@BlueMarbleRider ha ha, I should say I sold my starter bike (Honda CTX700 DCT) and bought the 13 v-strom, first real bike I'm working the gears. Absolutely love it and see it as a bike I will continue to build out for some touring and camping with friends. So easy and fun to ride, great video sir!
Bittersweet feelings today! A guy will arrive in a few hours to buy my 2013 V-strom650 which I've replaced with a Super Tenere ES. Not yet sure I'm doing the right thing!
Well there's only one way to find out: hope it works out. I've never ridden a Tenere, but I believe they're underrated too, so you could be in for a nice surprise. Cheers.
@@BlueMarbleRider I am definitely loving the Super Tenere. Loved my V-strom650, the Yamaha feels more substantial and stable, better at freeway speeds.
I've had both. Loved both. In the great west of the USA, the Tenere will put down some more comfortable big miles. The Wee also got me from Louisiana to Pikes Peak (1,000 + miles) in less than 24 hrs. If you only do 1 or 2 BIG tours a year, the Wee is the better bike. Given a choice between the two, the Wee wins, imho. Current ride is a 2020 NC 750X DCT and am considering the Wee for my tours (more comfortable).
@@myjhong91 Just spent time riding the Super Tenere in Washington, Idaho, Oregon and Montana. Fantastic road bike, not quite as playful as the V-strom650 on smaller backroads.
You'll miss the V-strom as soon as you get a rear wheel puncture in the rain and you're wrangling the wheel off and hoping not to damage the rims while trying to get the tyre off... Tubed tyres? No thanks...
Hi BMR, I’ve been following your channel for some time now, and it’s just because I’ve bought a 2022 v Strom 650, that this review popped up again, thought I’d comment on it as I’ve owned both 1000 and 1050. Excellent review by the way. I would agree, the big bike is probably the best for touring etc, but there is something about the 650, I can’t put my finger on it, but it feels sweeter, lighter, and IMO steers better. Each to their own, and I haven’t mentioned fuel efficiency, but I don’t feel short changed with the 650. Maybe I’m getting old, 61, but believe this or not, I traded in a Ducati V2’s for the 650, great bike, some people might think that’s crazy, but I still don’t feel short changed. Keep up the good work, I even enjoy your Moto Guzzi reviews 👍
Thanks. The 650 is definitely a peach of a bike - very undervalued. Glad you discovered it. Cheers.
@ejkirk5493. Pulled up for a break in my 650. A husband and wife were there both riding VStrom 1,000.’s
I asked them about the bikes and they said that they both had 650’s and traded them in for the 1000 .
They both agreed that they thought the 650 was a better bike and were sorry they changed to the 1000.
I love my 650, it is the perfect bike from for me. I purchased it new in April 2018 (a 2017 model) and have done nearly 55,000 trouble free km. I am 80 next March and I hope to keep riding her for a few years yet.
I guess when I can’t pick it up on my own I might have to get a lighter bike or give up. The last time I dropped it in my driveway was two years ago, I picked it up ok then, and I think I still can.
Great Review ! I had this Exact loaner a couple weeks prior from Mile zero when I had my 2020 in for its first service ! I found the seat a tad more comfortable than my 2020 650 ! Rode it home through Yellowpoint and had to slow because of the gravel in some sections. Rode this past Monday again through Yellowpoint and its repaved and no more gravel! Someone told me it was in the best shape in the 35 years he has ridden on it !
For me I find on this one and on mine , I like to be in the 5-7,000 rev range .
Yes took it out again today and re rode those new sections. Definitely the best road surface around, and far better than it used to be! I used to use the really bad sections to test bike's suspension and handling...guess I'll have to find somewhere new now :-)
I bought the 2014 V-Strom 650 with 69 hp as my very first bike, still not done with my license, but I've tried it (legally) and I'm happy with it. the driving school got the SV650 with a more powerful tuning of 95 hp, but I simply can't say I like it, as it's so low that it's uncomfortable over time. same engine, different tunings, and different style of bike, still, the V-Strom is the clear winner for me
getting a license takes time in Norway, or Europe in general, compared to the US, where it seems to be just about a test, and bare minimum stuff to learn. we're at least allowed to train legally on public roads here, with either an instructor, or someone who had their license for 5+ years, and they're at least 25 y/o, so I've trained both with the school/instructor, and family
Great to hear you're getting your license. The UK is similar to Norway - probably for the best. Here in Canada, you can jump on any bike (yes a Ducati V4S/BMWs1000RR/Kawasaki H2R) and take a round the cones parking lot test. Then you ride for a few weeks with a friend with experience (full license), then take a short road test. Then you are considered a motorcycle rider. It's like putting a kid in canon, shooting them out, and expecting them to fly safely. Yes, agree, while the SV and Vstom share the same motor, they are quite different.
@@BlueMarbleRider I got my license at monday morning, while it was raining a little. during this week, I've already done like 500 km on my V-Strom, and it's insane how comfortable it is compared to the SV650. I just need a small tank bag for easily accessible stuff, like credit cards and I'm good
btw, the US and Norway might have similarities for the test, but we have to do hours of training with an instructor, going thru 3 levels of skill mastering, incl. a 3 hour session on a track for experience, a 6 hour session with an instructor on public roads as a "long trip" experience, and so on. in total, we have to pay about $3k for our license
also, we have 3 levels of the license. A1 for 125cc and max 11 kW power, A2 for 35 kW power and max power of 0,2 kW/kg weight of the bike, and A, which is no restriction
each level has age restrictions as well, so A1 is 16 y/o, A2 is 18 y/o, and A is a little more complicated, because it is 24 y/o, but we can "upgrade" from A2 after 2 years to A as well, meaning someone who got their A2 when they turned 18, they can upgrade to A when they're turning 20, but as far as I remember, they have to be 21 y/o to actually be fully unrestricted
Great review, thank you. Thinking about one as my first big bike.
You can't go wrong with this bike: not intimidating, reliable and very neutral handling. Lots of fun.
so nice an dbeautiful explanation about the LIVING LEGEND THE BEST,THE SMART BIKE OF ALL TIME
very lovely review thank you, I'm looking for my new first bike and I'm more and more convinced this one will do nicely.
Glad I could help - It's an excellent choice: stable, predictable, reliable and rewarding. Cheers.
BTW, I am also a Husaberg rider! My son-in-law and I both ride Husaberg FE390s for dirt bikes - now street legal and doing the TransAmericaTrail on the Bergs / done Oregon to Arkansas so far, still hoping to finish the Arkansas to North Carolina sections next year.
LOVE the 70 degree Berg!
So cool! I'd love to do those trails on the Berg. It's my favourite machine ever. Love all my bikes, but it's the last one I'll part with. Just did the fork seals and took her for a spin the other day. Video to come in the next few weeks. Cheers. And enjoy the Bergs!
13:30 "it is a relative Sippa of fuel" ... I like they way he said that. It's sound very fancy. I keep saying it now.
Very detailed and helpful review! Thanks.
Nice one, good all rounder....
Cheers was thinking about a 2016 model for touring and gravel roads
great review! thx. 1st raider here looking for my 1st budget bike to get into touring /small off road for camping. unfortunately i cant afford the latest one, 2021 but i see 2012-14 should fit the bill.
Basically the same bike, with different plastics. You're getting great value for money.
Thanks BlueMarbleRider, interesting review. I’m hoping to have one soon, as my first big bike, and this helps me a lot with this bike being my first choice.🙏👍
Glad it was helpful!
@@BlueMarbleRider thanks! Well, I passed my test, and collected my L4 650, and rode home over 180 miles.. wow, what a fantastic machine! 😄👍👍
@@stoatsngroatsuk5012 650 ? The 1000 rules .
@@joecamel6835 Thanks Joe, I’m very happy with my 650! 👍
congrats!
Amazing review,thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Very good review ! Did you try the TDM 900 ? If so what did you think about it compared to this V ? Cheers !
Yes, I have ridden the Tracer. Different sort of bike for me. I enjoyed both. I found the TDM shield to have the same problem as the vstrom - lots of buffeting. Aftermarket is the way to go. Cheers.
I bought a new 2015 DL650 XT, the first ever new machine in over fifty years of motorcycling, having only bought good secondhand bikes, apart from The first horror a 1954 125 BSA Bantam bought n 1962 it was a dog, bought for a five sold a couple of months later for thirty bob.
Love the V-Strom, however top milage this old git can handle riding it in a day is about two hundred miles, even this will set my rear end on fire. My goto bike is my Kawasaki GT550, riding this machine is really armchair riding to me, with it Air suspension , I have clocked uo over 400 miles on a day round my part of Scotland with no ill effects whatsoever other than the pain of its MPG, which is no where near the DL650 XT, I have recorded 74 MPG on the computer, its only clocked up 6000 miles being so uncomfortable to ride. However you description of its handling is very accurate. No doubt it will become someone 'barn find' along with all my other classic Motorcycles one day..
Thanks for the chat, enjoyed reading that.
I owned a fox orange vstrom 2012. Twice !!! Bought one in LA area. Rode out. Sold 10 days later. Mistake. Bought another in Seattle area. Rode out. Sold it. Just great bike. I own five now but here I am again pondering vstrom. Now question is do I try the 1000 next time ? One fine motorcycle. The 650 like shown I mean
I guess the answer to your dilemma is what else do you own. The 1000 is a great bike, but different from the 650. Good luck!
Great quality video, and audio.
It's slow for a bike but i can ride 16 hours no problems on mine. And it handles well enough that it is fun, i always scrape the skid plate because i corner too hard but oh well. Good bike for daily cheap and doesn't break, good fuel economy
Slow? 70bhp? Z900 in its hey day the fastest bike power to weight was same as the 650. My honda cb750k7 was 70ish hp. I cannot ride my 21 plate 650 flat out on road.I live in uk. It will cruise 90mph 6500rpm. In 3rd it will do 30-90 very strong torque curve. Agreed in a straight line or track it’s down on power but for road riding it’s my favourite bike out of the 44 I’ve owned. Mine does 70mpg when being caned. My favourite is the suspension on bumpy roads. Wheels never leave ground so much better than hyper bikes I’ve owned at least on uk shitty roads
@volt8684 sorry for the late reply, I live in America and it is underpowered on the freeway and I am constantly looking for 7th gear. I get around 35mpg doing 90mph on the highway.
63hp used to be good for bikes but nowadays with many cars having at least 200hp now and the electric cars like telsa it is absolutely underpowered. You will probably beat most gasoline cars off the line but they will pass you eventually as they have a higher top speed. And electric cars will beat this bike at all speeds, which is a safety issue for me since i use acceleration as a defensive riding technique
Nice bike, and nice roads !
Thanks ✌️
Excellent review.
Thank you kindly!
The “top heaviness” could well be attributed to the large top box you have on rear rack.
A good thought, but I had one for many years and rode it without a top box - it always felt a little top heavy to me, but it's still a great bike.
Love this bike!!! Do you think is beginner froendly ad first bike!? I am 1,83cm high with 110kg, passing from maxi scooter to proper motorcycles. Great review, thanx and regards from far away Serbia 🇷🇸✌️
Yes, definitely, Alen, this is a very friendly, easy to ride, and perfect bike for a beginner or novice. It will also keep you comfortable, entertained and do it cheaply and reliably. Cheers.
Spectacular review! Ya, I’m all in on the V-Strom. Question; I’m around 6’4” and 240lbs. Would I fit this bike comfortably? I do like lower bikes and being flat footed at stops and in the dirt. I sat on a Kawasaki KLR and even being tall, I didn’t like the height.
Ordinarily, I might say you were too tall, but given your propensity to avoid taller off road bikes, this may be the bike for you. It's not short by any means, and may suit you perferctly.
I’m 6’5” with a 35” inseam and I ride a 2013 DL650. It could be a tiny bit bigger but honestly I ride it for 3 to 6 hours at a time and I’m never very sore or stiff - and I’m 54 with lower back issues. If I rode a cruiser I’d be happier with the “cool” factor but that’s about it.
I get 70 mpg on my 20k 2012 model, not the best looking bike but does everything above average. Apparently the V stands for versatile and not the V twin. The turbulence/buffeting seems to be coming from low down and running up your legs/torso causing the helmet buffeting. On the forums there are many who have made some side deflectors which have reduced it considerably. i watched a very interesting video by MCrider who describes in detail the reason for the buffeting.
Thanks for sharing!
That looked like the Nanaimo airport? Just picked up a vstrom past night. Same color scheme
Yes it was. Congrats, DG. Have fun on her. Cheers.
Would I be right to see 80mph 3500-4000rpm?
around 4500 would be more like it. Cheers.
Anyone knows if the second generation vstrom is euro4 emissions???
650? 1000? I'm pretty sure anything before 2016 in North America is free of Euro 4 (they do have emissions, but not to that level). Moto Guzzi stopped producing the Griso 1200 SE in 2016 as they couldn't make the big 1200 block compatable with the Euro 4 specs.
what camera's are u using on helmet and on the bike and where to purchase
The cam is an older Gopro Hero 5 Black running at 2.7/4K 60fps and on the bike a older Hero 5 Session. Still going strong and both capable of high quality footage; however, they lack updated image stabilization compared to the newer models. Conversely, the sound on the older ones is more reliable...Might find some older ones on Amazon (second hand) or Marketplace. Don't pay too much for them - they're up to the Go Pro 10 now...
What's the timing chain change interval like?
I cannot for the life of me remember, but I don't remember it being mentioned in the manual or service guide on mine. Valves were 24000km.
@@BlueMarbleRider i'm assuming you have changed it at least one time.
Mine has almost 80k miles on it and I'm positive it has not been changed😅
1-first bike - yes..... 2) Touring.... yes... but if it had cruise it would be perfect for one up touring, 3) ADV.... fire road, gravel roads sure...
I have a GS.... and I'm not an off roader.... if I needed to replace my GS today, I'd go for the V-Strom 1000 with cruise (I had a 2014 V-Strom 1000 before the GS). If cruise was on the 650 that would change things a lot)
I'm not a cruise person, but having ridden the 1050, I see the attraction. The next itineration of the 650 will likely have cruise according to my local dealer. It may be announced late August, but it's more likely for 2023 with the GSX-S 1000T.
@@BlueMarbleRider as long as the next iteration doesn't have that ghastly parallel twin that's been leaked...no thank you 😊
@@cmuz0013 Agree Chris: don't want to see a mainstream engine config in the Vstrom...it's not a Vstrom without the V:-)
well what if i am between versys tracer and vstrom 650 which do i choose its so hard
I depends what you want: Tracer is sporty; Vstrom is least sporty but most comfortable and likely better for touring. The Versys is somewhere between. . The tracer is much lighter than both bikes and smaller than the versys. The tracer is very like the mto7 - fun light and flickable, but the suspension lets it down. It's more punchy than both the other bikes, with good torque and better top end. The Versys is more predictable, more neutral, not quite as much fun, but more comfortable and adventure bike like. The vstrom is more comfortable than both, with more torque, but the engine feels anemic compared the Tracer 700. Like the Vstrom would tour better and be more comfortable. For me, it's the tracer. The CP2 engine is a delight. The tracer is cheaper than the versys: use the money saved to get a better aftermarket shock for better damping and you've got a great bike. Hope this helps. Cheers.
i think its more like a 50lb difference between the 650 and 1000 not 10 lbs
Yes, but it's closer than you might think ~30lbs, having owned both: 2012-2014 DL650:470lbs (and more top heavy); 2014 - 2020 DL1000 500lbs. Certainly the DL1000 feels lighter as the 650 feels slightly top heavy. Cheers, thanks for the feed back.
Exactly and the weight is more manegeable on it then on the 1000.I rode both and by the way go ses what Big rock moto got to sans about it.