Suzuki V-Strom DL650 review: the good the bad & the ugly ︱Cross Training Adventure
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- crosstrainingenduro.com tractionerag.com Our Suzuki V-strom DL650 review! My brother is selling his V-strom 650 soon, and everyone is asking for more mid range adventure bike reviews. So here our DL650 long term review, along with other owners comments, known issues, fixes, and a brief history. History first. Suzuki's SV650 was introduced back in 1999. This bulletproof sporty V-twin had great handling was a favourite with amateur road racers and helped establish the every popular lightweight twins race class. In 2004 it was slightly detuned, gained a 19 inch front wheel and immediately became a favourite with adventure riders. It also became known as the Wee-strom as it was smaller than its big brother, the V-strom 1000. A wee bit of Scottish influence for some reason which we had to mention in this Suzuki V-strom DL650 long term review. The 650 is definitely a favourite, and apparently outsells the 1000 model by two to one. There were constant tweaks to the design, but generally there were three broad groups. Generation 1 ran from 2004 to 2011. Generation 2 got a higher seat, quieter gearbox, more power, more rear suspension, and was lighter. On very early models, failing stators were an occasional issue. Eventually Suzuki issued a recall of the DL650 and it was resolved a long time ago. Another problem on early models, on high beam the two lights used too much power through the switchblock and could fry the wires. I suspect all old models would have been fixed with a replay. So what about the modern versions? The front forks use the old rod style set up. While most Suzuki V-stromowners find these acceptable, more spirited riders will find their limit quickly and may want to fit Plex valves, intiminators or emulators to mimick a cartridge fork. The Suzuki V-strom 650 is on the heavy side. It's 10kg heavier than its closest competitor, the Kawasaki Versys 650. Generation 3 gained a luggage rack, ajustable traction control, and throttle assist to reduce the chances of stalling. So what's to like? Plenty it seems according to the Suzuki V-strom 650 reviews. After lots of discussion, and reading dozens of reviews, it can be summarised as the bulletproof budget priced all rounder. Some minor problems were fixed in the early years and the reliability of the twin engine is famous. Along with its competitor the Kawasaki Versys it's the cheapest mid-sized twin cylinder adventure bike available that's also comfortable for riding two up. And the handing characteristics make it equally at home for commuting, carving through the twisties, or roaming easy dirt roads. And unlike many Japanese bikes, nowadays, the Suzuki V-strom DL650 is still actually made in Japan. Anyway, there are plenty of rave reviews out there, I want to focus more on the known issues and problems, something most reviews don't cover. The only problem was there almost aren't any. And it took heaps of digging to find them. And comparable to the weight of most adventure bikes around the 800cc mark. I can't find any cases of anyone actually damaging their oil filter but it does look quite exposed on the DL650. As does the exhaust pipe. Many fit a skidplate or pan plate if riding a lot of rocky roads. After that problems become very subjective. Average sized riders love the Suzuki V-strom 650 sitting position. Go figure. That's it guys. If you are chasing a cheap rock solid twin cylinder mid sized adventure bike, it's hard to go past the V-strom. Looking for something a bit smaller and not carrying a passenger? Check out our Honda CB500X review. Let us know your Suzuki V-strom 650 comments, especially if we missed anything. As always, we put important notes in our pinned first comment on the UA-cam video. I'm very tall and found my legs felt a bit cramped, I would want to lower the pegs or raise the seat a bit. Conversely, very short riders can have trouble reaching the ground and may want to cut the seat down. Most riders find the seat very comfortable. But some say they feel themselves sliding forward toward the tank too much on the Suzuki V-strom 650. I felt this, my brother didn't. So it's probably height related. The windscreen falls into a similar category. Most love it, some hate it. I think it just depends on how freakishly tall you are. I was really scraping the barrel to find negative comments. Some riders feel the ignition key is too big. But oddly enough others like the Suzuki V-strom 650 size as its easy to find.
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FURTHER NOTES: POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH FUEL FILTER Very rare, but I was told there's a high pressure fuel screen actually built into the fuel pump that can eventually become clogged. Apparently it's not serviceable (but there's a pre-filter that is, so stay on top of this). A popular mod is to bypass it and install an aftermarket fuel filter in the fuel line between the tank and the injectors. It doesn't seem to happen often but might be worth looking into if you do long rides in remote areas. Usual warning signs are loss of power at high revs, so it sounds as though normally you'll be able to ride home still.
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Certain 2017 and 2018 models had a recall for the pump mount spacer and o-ring. I worked on a ton of these for the last 3yrs or so and never an issue with fuel filters. Check with Suzuki to see if your bike was done.
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COMMENTS FROM OTHER OWNERS (WHO STILL LOVE THE STROM REGARDLESS)
The headset uses "ball" bearings. You may find the steering feels notchy at around 30,000 miles. Replace with tapered bearings which last longer. - Steph Liveright
Ergonomics don't suit standing, probably need bar and footpeg changes to suit if you like standing.
Very early generation one bikes had an oil cooler mounted very low, it needed protection.
On early models, ABS could not be turned off, possibly leading to some hairy moments (mods available).
Centrestand can apparently hit over big bumps (only one comment about this so far).
Air filter access is time consuming, avoid riding in dust and clean it less often!
Low ground clearance if you get seriously off road.
Be aware that models with cast wheels can be bent during serious off road (like all cast wheels).
One guy felt the service intervals were too long (I often think this with Japanese intervals and halve them!).
Stator recall mentioned in the vid was gen 2 apparently (check with Suzuki if yours has been done).
I recently bought a 2012 strom that turned out to have the fuel pump/filter issue. Test rode on suburban streets in the wet, wasn't noticeable until the following weekend when I took it for a good ride. However, the bike had 85,000 km on it, so that's not too bad. Solved with an aftermarket fuel pump that cost around $300 installed by my trusty mechanic. Apparently Suzuki want about $1000 for genuine fuel pumps.
Thanks for the info, so it sounds as though it has continued into the second generation models at least. It seems weird they would build it into the fuel pump, why not just have it external and just before going into the fuel injection?
@@crosstrainingadventure yep, mine is definitely an early gen 2. Who knows? If i had designed the bike i probably wouldn't have put the air filter under the seat either!
@@crosstrainingadventure There is a prefilter in the fuel pump that is replaceable. I never had any fuel pump issues, my vstrom has 200 000kms now.
Also soft front brakes on the “07” & “08”
Rode my 650 around the world with my wife as passenger. No issues at all in 43,000 miles.
Which model? I want to buy (with my budget) 2005-2006 model
I had a 2009, ended up with 56000 miles in 9 years. It was never in a shop, never needed a valve adjustment and not one lite bulb burnt out.
2017 here. About 1 year 8 months, a hair over 51000 miles, ABS pump burnt out under warranty, a few blown fuses (still not sure what caused it but it was about 30000 miles ago), and I'm on low beam headlight #4
Mate, some have reached the 200 000 km marker without a hitch…
@@thursdayfan sounds like you ride it to much
@@samharrington181 Nah, other people don't ride enough
I found a Spanish rider with over 400.000 km. That was 2 years ago and the guy is still riding!!! By now he must have about 450.000 km and the bike keeps going!!!
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Still riding my 2005 DL650 with just under 170,000 miles
Recently bought a 2004 DL1000 with 23,000 miles that needs a bit of work to get it roadworthy
Wow 175k millage that's mad, they built them well
Took my vstrom650 2007 all over the place for 7 years. Its a great reliable bike and if you outfit It correctly you will go places you wouldn't expect. Would not hesitate to take one across country. Easy to work on and gets great fuel economy
Bought my 2007 DL650 with 72,000 km. It now has 90,000. I really like the Heidenau K60 Scouts it came with, so recently replaced with more of the same. Got 14,000 km from first set. Replaced with about 20% tread remaining.
I bought this bike thinking it'd be for gravel and highway riding. Then, we went riding on decommissioned logging roads in British Columbia and Alberta. Also some two track and mild single track. Took it all in stride. I can't believe the abuse this bike just takes. She's a tank! The motor is super flexible. More than enough power both on and off pavement. The frame is also a gem, as it handles paved roads like a sportbike!
I find maintenance to be reasonable. You do NOT need to remove the front fairing or any other body work to access the air filter. Simply slide the tank off. You should try doing a modern Honda Goldwing, if you want a hard to change air filter!
This is a very underrated model. She's a great motorcycle.
How strange to see my motorbike on Cross Training Adventure!
I own the first gen 650 V strom, first model, built in 2003 and released in 2004. I hit 200 000 kms on the odometer last week on the circuit of Mettet, Belgium. I have owned for 8 years now, bought the bike with 30 000kms on the clock. It has been a very reliable all rounder. I do consider it to be a shit dirtbike for numerous reasons:
- lacks ground clearance and even more so with skidplate
-Oil filter, oil cooler and exhaust are very low and exposed
-centerstand will hit the ground when doing bigger bumps, the bolts will shear off the treads.
-heavy
-anatomically shit standing position, even with better footpegs.
-expensive shift lever that will break after a fall
-bouncy suspension when riding agressively.
Ok so why do I love it? As I am a tall fella, I love the seating position of this bike. i improved it significantly by raising the seat 5 cms, lowering the footpegs and raising the back with shorter dogbones. transformed it from ok to brilliant. screen spoiler got rid of the buffeting.
The engine is reliable, fun and needs very little maintenance. Never needed tot adjust any valves in 170 000kms! Getting to the front plug is not fun though, and the air filter is underneath the tank. No quick looking at this filter!
I went to 3 winter rallies on this bike, I ride it all year round. Did some dirt riding on it, went to the Northcape and back (6800kms) and rode the highest 'road' in the Alps. (actually a steep rocky trail). It is a very, very good motorcycle for the money, and to be able to clock the 200 000kms on it while revving the nuts off it on the track...words can not express! I overtook not only my group, but also the next one. Lots of bmw GS tears were shed. It is a very good canyon carver.
Engine is stock. I replaced on clutch (friction plates only) to be sure. Stock alternator, rectifier, shock, cam chains,...no replacing anything! All gaskets are dry, no weeping. Tires last me about 25 000kms, chainset about 30 000kms. No fuel pump problems, I did replace the pre filter once.
The reason I do not consider this bike a replacement for bikes like the DR 650 or similar, is because of the weight and the lack of simplicity. You simply can not remove a plug in 20 minutes or adjust valves in an half an hour.
But as a do it all bike....this is a legendary motorcycle. Suzuki built a rock solid bike, like only the Japanese can.
When In Belgium, I insist you crash this bike, Barry. It is unkillable.
greetings!
And theck this Polish guy out!
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Merci et dank u wel ook! Added some of those comments to the pinned first comment so potential buyers get a well rounded impression of the Wee before they buy one.
Great post, thealvaco. I have a new DL650XT - I am 6' 3" with a 34 inch inseam - I've had to lower the pegs and just got Rox Pivoting risers (2 inch) which will go on soon. I'll also raise the seat an inch or two. I found the stock standing position to be really bad (I'm 72 years old and have had back surgery so I just can't lean over much). But I LOVE this bike. Just under 1,000 miles in the few weeks I've owned it - getting over 60 mpg at 40 mph on the back roads where I love in SW Colorado. QUESTION: What screen spoiler did you buy? The buffeting is moderately bad and things are better without a screen at all! (Same on my Versys X300.) I've spent a nearly half the mileage on gravel roads and a few jeep trails (ones that don't require a lot of ground clearance). I'm pleasantly surprised how well the stock A40s are doing on gravel - at least with my Geezer riding style these days. I plan on keeping the 650XT till I can't ride anymore!
-Ray, near Durango, Colorado (Husaberg FE390; Versys X300; Vstrom 650XT)
@@GeezerWheels Hello Ray, I have a madstad windscreen adjuster for the stock screen, combined with an mra spoiler. Have fun!
@@thealvaco Thanks for the quick reply - sounds like what I need!
I've owned a 2009 Wee-strom (DL650A) for years and think it's one of the best deals in motorcycling right now. Mostly due to it's uglyness and lack of excitement, you can pick up a good condition 1st gen between $2000 - $4000 in the US. For this you get an all day comfortable, super reliable, fun to ride motorcycle, which is also capable of carrying two people and their kitchen sink.
I've sold mine with almost 50k miles on it and literally the only problem I've ever had is the negative terminal connection on the battery loosened up after some gravel roads. The only service I had to do aside from oil/filters/tires is a new chain and sprockets around the time I sold it.
It's also worth noting that the 1st gen Wee-stroms had an oil cooler down by the oil filter, which is a very sketchy place for it. That said, I've also not personally had an issue or know of anyone who has.
That, and the ABS was very scary off pavement (similar to what cars came with in the 90s), with no way to turn it off.
Thanks Dmitriy, added those notes in the pinned first comment. 😊
You can't beat these guys for an honest, real world review!!!!👍
Thanks M, it's what we are aiming for when there are so many dodgy 'reviews' out there!
I have the 2010 modell and have ridden it to Africa...where the stator failed in the middle of the Sahara in Mauritania - it took me three weeks to get back home...but thats a different story! one comment on the history: you missed the update in 2009 when ABS was added and therefore a bigger generator was needed. Otherwise its the best bike I have owned in the last 30 years...still gives me smiles everytimeI ride it...😍
Wow, I bet that was some journey!
Rick my old buddy put 330.000 kms on his 04. i drove my 09 to Argentina sold it to a Chilean who just sold it to a new owner after 5 years you'll see many old vstroms on the road, SUSPENSION
is a weakness on rough gravel roads ,that's a quick fix. smooth twin engine. I know klrs have a following which is great, but you wont see high mileage like the stroms now kLR 2021
the strom has it beat. Common issue 04=10 starter relay buy stiffer front springs seat and shield not much to cry about
As a former owner of both a 1st and 2nd gen VStrom 650, all I can say is that I am sorry I sold them.
I suspect my brother is about to feel the same way once it's sold
+Antonio Perez Oi m8 were there any problems you ever had with the bike?
@@randysavage1997 , none whatsoever. I’m sure your research will show you that I’m no exception in praising the Wee (as it is called). I am willing to bet that there is no better value than a VStrom, no matter which generation.
@@antonioperez1624 thanks for your feedback sir.
Between Gen 1 and Gen 2, which did you prefer? I'm considering getting one, but I'm not sure which. Mainly know I want abs
EXCELLENT REVIEW!!! I re-entered the bike world (after 30+ years) from cruisers to the ADV, because I LOVE the off road capabilities of this machine. It rides as smooth as any cruiser I've had and has surprising power for a 650. $5,300 is all I paid from a dealer and commuting I get 60-65 MPGs. I may get other bikes for different things, but this will be my go to for a long time. 14,000 miles and counting. I'm sure there are better ADVs like BMWs and Ducati's, but reliability and value are more important than 'all the bells and whistles' for me.
Great engines... the SV650 engine has a bit more power again and has been extremely popular in the twin cylinder road racing class for guys wanting to race but avoid all the expenses.
I wasn't expecting a vstrom review from you guys. Yes please.
We have never had any luck with getting models from the manufacturer to review, Martin... so we are limited to just reviewing our own bikes or those of friends.
Got a 2013 model. Never let me down apart from a water hose that dried up during first lockdown. 29k miles and runs like new.
As usual, an excellent review. You're one of the only blokes on youtube that really knows his stuff. Never even heard of a VStrom when I bought my '17 DR 650. Bought a '17 DL and rode the hell out of it. 5 years and 35 k miles plus. Not one problem, except for a low beam burnt bulb.Sold it to by a Z900RS. Kept the Z and missed the DL. Bought one of the last 650 Adventures for about 10k usd. Not the latest and greatest, but I love this bike.
Actually there's a whole bunch of stuff I know nothing about, Frank. 😂 But generally I'll try and research stuff a lot to make sure I don't lead anyone astray...
Wow - A V-Strom 650 on "Cross Training Adventure" - I have a new V-Strom 650XT and love it. I really appreciate your channel your no-nonsense approach to bike reviews. I'm 6'3" with a 34 inch inseam and did, indeed, have to lower the pegs and plan to raise the seat. Just got Rox Pivoting risers. LOVE the hauntingly of this bike and at 72 years old it has all the power I need. Getting 60 mph on back roads at 40 mph. Added: skid plate, SVRP peg lowering blocks and Givi racks (with adapted Pelican cases). It's one of the best handling bikes of its weight I've ridden. Thanks for including this bike in your reviews - what a great, mid-priced ADV bike. -Ray near Durango, CO (Husaberg FE390; Versys X300; Gen 3 V-Strom 650XT)
Glad you enjoyed the review, Ray. Did the bar risers and footpeg lowering make it more comfortable to stand? I see a few guys complain about this and figured it's probably when the riders are over six foot.
@@crosstrainingadventure YES! FAR more comfortable to stand. I went EXTREME! Dropped the pegs almost 2.5 inches (but my new ADV wide, cleated pegs don't have a "feeler" on the bottom, so the bottom of the pegs only dropped about 1.5 inches - no scraping so far). At 72 years old I don't attack corners that fast! I did have to fabricate a new rear brake linkage part to properly position the brake pedal. I have not added the risers yet (2 inch Rox Pivoting risers, which I also added to my Husaberg FE390 and my Versys X300). This has become my everyday "go to" bike, although all my bikes are street legal. The Berg is amazing on rough stuff, but the Vstrom has surprised me in our Colorao "out back." Cheers!!! -Ray, in the hills near Durango, Colorado.
I've got a 2007 vstrom 650. I've never kept a bike for so long, I just love it. Had the headlight issue halfway up the M1 on a dark wet day which wasn't great but other than that any issues have been caused by me 🤣🤦♂️ what a bike, if/when I get a new bike..... I'll be getting another vstrom!
I bought my 2018 model ("adventure model" - armour, crash bars, panniers, etc) in 2019. Now at 11,000 kms. I had lower pegs fitted when I bought it and had the high seat raised more (higher high seat). This paid off, as I learned when riding another V-Strom 650 as a loaner - very uncomfortable riding position with my long legs (6' 2").
I enjoy this bike and plan on keeping it a long time. Good value, and lots of fun to ride.
Thanks for an informative video.
Same here, I feel very cramped on it. But it's good for shorter riders of course... and we tall guys can just get the higher seat.
2008 Wee with Progressive Suspension springs up front full (RAP) on the back and Akropovic exhaust. Did Death Valley and lots of Alberta Canada so far. Enjoy the bike very much and the mods were a big improvement but have done timing chain and have seen reports of clutch basket problems. Also not all owners did the relay upgrade for the lights so check your bike. My lights both went out in the dark on the way to work last week.
I have the 2015 version...its giving me all the hype I need to tour my country and beyond borders
I just bought a 2015 and I'm really loving it so far ❤
Asolutelty love my 2012 Strom! Great video
Heaps of comments here already. Great review. I have a 2019 XT & luv it. You forgot to mention the terrific engine upgrade in the Gen 3 model which makes the bike EVEN more wonderful as a touring package. 👍
Hey me Friend. If im 5.8 with barely 30” standover, would you say this bike is ok for me as a new rider?
@@nelsonrubiano7102 yes. I'm about the same height and if you ride solo, it's great. I have a pillion so I got the low seat option and it's 20mm lower and makes the screen even better for wind deflection.
I owned the model you showing on the video...arguably the best motor I have ever experienced in a motorbike. You could pull off in 3rd gear no problem, just a lovely motor. I ride a KTM 990 now and yes awesome bike and lots of smiles, but if I had the opportunity to travel Africa or any other continent, it would hands down be on the new Susie DL 650....
I had an SV650 a few years ago, it was a great engine too. So grunty...
I’m on my fourth Vstrom since 2008. I’ve owned three 650’s . The 1000 had more problems oil leaks , stator regulator rectifier. I ride year round and been riding 30 years . The Vstrom is the best do all motorcycle .
These "known issues reviews" are really valuable. It is super hard to find this information summarized like this, thanks!
My pleasure, Freeman. Forums have always been a good place for this type of info, although often you have to trawl through a very long thread to get all the tips... so I usually put all the text from these vids on various forums. It's a real pity that social media is moving more toward platforms that only cater for short attention spans (e.g. Facebook, Instagram) because they are next to useless for finding info like this. 😢
@@crosstrainingadventure What bugs me about the decline of forums and self hosted sites, is the accompanied decline of the free nature of internet. Sure, we can win all the battles for free internet legislature, but if we then chose to only use our unregulated connection to visit google, facebook, amazon, netflix or another of the few big corporate sites, it becomes even more regulated place than any western government ever wanted it to be (and they sure do try to regulate it quite a bit).
PS: I'm aware I'm writing this on youtube...
We have probably triggered some alert and we'll be followed by black SUVs everywhere now.... 😢
@@crosstrainingadventure So ride some gnarly terrain, always fun to see SUV in the technical stuff :D .
Bought my 2011 DL650 with 38,000ks six years ago now has 98,000ks. Very reliable, very comfortable have done many 700k plus days and several 1000k days. I also bought an immaculate 2007 Triumph Tiger 1050. The Tiger gets polished, the Vstrom gets thrashed, both get ridden. Never heard of the oil filter being damaged on any Vstrom despite it at first glance appearing vulnerable. Get one you wont regret it.
I've owned a 2009 wee with abs for two years and just over 20000 km. I found the seating position was immediately more comfortable than my previous bike a bmw r1100rt, better fuel economy, similar power to weight ratio and a bit better in the twisties (the old r was surprisingly nimble once it got going) and much, much cheaper to run. I found I was using most of the suspension travel on the road and consistently bottoming out on even mild dirt road ruts and dents. This improved measurably after the forks were re valved and the shock replaced with a fully adjustable wilbers.
I find the ergonomics not too bad, the previous owner fitted pivot pegs and reversed (left to right and vice a versa) them to lower them about 10 mm. He also fitted mild bar risers which I found didn't help the reach and made the bars a bit too tall for siting.Recently I found the stretch over the tank to the handlebars uncomfortable on long days and yes standing is uncomfortable. I have just bought some rox risers which I hope will improve matters. I am not that tall (5' 11"). I am extremely comfortable using this as my all kinds of roads bike and I have recently bought a dr650 which I intend to fit out as my "oh crap this road is terrible!" bike. My overall experience with my 1st gen wee is extremely positive.
Great to hear it's worked out for you, Ian. We are fortunate that it's quite easy to adjust the ergos nowadays with so many different risers, footpegs and seats available.
Great review, thanks!
Great video and great music! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
This is the Best all around Adventure bike Period.
Hmm. Ok here comes my two cents. First of all I'd like to thank you for the video review. Ok, so I have a 07 vstrom with almost 50k on it. Not easy km either as it has been ridden in very rough terrain. I never really strained the engine much I guess. Never rung it's neck that is. That being said I have had zero issues with the engine. The suspension is another thing. I found it very soft on the front and changed the forks early on to dirtbike forks. Raised the bike 2" for better ground clearance and also dropped the foot pegs 2" for more leg room. Those mods have been a game changer for the bike and make it much, much more off road capable. The shock I left stock and figured I would replace it when it broke. To my surprise, after an enormous amount of abuse taking hard hits. it still seems to be just fine. I have crushed my oil filter previous to mounting a heavy duty skid plate. I am not really sure about the headlight switch problem you are referring to but I did have an issue where my lights would not go on. It had to do with the headlight cutout switch when you engage the starter. I simply spaced the engagement with a thin piece of material and it has been good ever since. Not sure how long that will last though. I have bent the front rim numerous times and have always been able to pound or press it back into working territory. I find the seat horrible! Half an hour on that seat is like eight hours on a stock FJR seat. It is simply brutal. I attach a type of cushion for long rides. I mostly stand on this bike when off road and it certainly needed some help in this area. I have risers that took care of most of that. A different bar took care of the rest for proper wrist angle for me. I am a big fan of Mitas E-07s on this bike. E-09s for more extreme terrain. Not a fan of Heidenaus as I find them too slippery. TKCs for this bike....ugh. Love the rear tire although I have ruined one in a 3 hour stretch so they are not very tough. Literally tore it apart. The front TKC tire at 19" is an atrocious thing to try and manage. Absolutely horrible. I was pretty much scared of crashing the entire time it was on the bike. It felt like the bike was on marbles. Stressful!! That is one problem with this bike is tire size. More because of tire choices that one has for it. I adjusted the valves once just because. I don't care for the transmission as I find it hard to shift with motorcross boots on. I know it wasn't made for shifting with motorcross boots but other bikes shift very easily in comparison. Shifts fine with normal street riding boots. Never have found a good windshield for this bike. I finally just cut off the stock windshield and take the wind full on to stop the buffeting. The bike is heavy and under powered but you can't have everything in this price range. It is almost impossible to wheely when off road too which I find annoying but yet again I am asking a lot from this bike. All and all every negative that I mentioned doesn't add up to much. The positives far far outweigh the negatives. It is a GREAT bike!! Cheers!
So... you built a KTM Enduro from your V-Strom? Not bad but you may have been better off buying one in the first place ;)
@@Sunrazor Well 13 years ago I didn't have a tonne of money. I did the best with what I had. I think the bike was $9000 new when I bought it. I put another couple grand in to get it to that as I could afford it. I also needed a commuter of 2hrs per day to justify it back then. Now however is a different story. I am waiting for the new Norden 901 to come out. And if that isn't everything that I hope it is then perhaps the New 890 from KTM. Not sure yet. I ride hard. The bike gets to see what the ground looks like from close up quite often. Not sure I want to subject a $20000 bike to that punishment. I love the Africa Twin for an actual adventure bike. KTM can not compare with comfort and wind control. However I don't really want to ride that offroad like I do the Vstrom. At least we now have a ton of options and more coming down the pipe all the time. I just heard that KTM is going to make a 750 soon. I am guessing it will be to compete with the T700 as an entry level bike. Have to wait and see.
😂 If you factor in reliability though I suspect it could be an even match. We might see major long term issues arising with more KTM adventure models being made in China from 2020 and on...
@@WhatTimeIsIt369 Honestly I think you get better quality from the Suzuki. KTM ain't really known for reliability. Sure it is heavier and not as agile. And it will be left in the dust when going off road. But it won't fail. I think you probably did the right thing anyway :)
Thanks - that was very useful to me.
Hay mate I actually have a YamaSuzuki TDV 900 ADV , ( it’s a Yamaha TDM 900 2012 model with a Suzuki VStrom 650 Front forks , Wheel , brakes , axle and front guard ) did this to change from the stock 18inch front to a 19 . The TDM cost 5000, and around 2500.00 for EVERYTHING else . So a fantastic light off road ADV bike .
3rd gens have wind buffeting and it's not so much windscreen as an issue with the flat trucker looking mirrors. But I do love my WEE. looking forward to riding it for many years
Absolutely agree with your comments. I had a Gen -1, 2006 V-strom sixfiddy that i purchased new, what a sweet ride it was. Owned it for 6 years, racked up 60K on it without a single issue, it never missed a beat. Sold it to upgrade, but if I was looking for a cheap reliable bike to do a lap around Oz or something similar, I would thoroughly recommend one of these. I could sit on the highway all day on 120 plus and it loved it. It was also quite at home on as you say, 'easy' dirt roads. I found it confident on dirt roads (just don't get into sand, you've been warned). I remember when i first bought mine, ppl were saying they were fugly, and I don't disagree with that, they did have a touch of that about them, but when u get on one and ride it, none of that matters.
I agree, Gary.... accept it for what it is then it's a great bike. If you want looks, performance and lots of electronics then just pay twice as much. 😎
I'm surprised I haven't seen this Vid before 🤷♂️.
Being a PO of an 012 model for 2+ years and 25k miles,, I can say with 💯 honesty that it was the best bike I've owned next to my current machine. An 012 Yamaha Super Tenere XTZ1200. Both Epic machines 👍👍.
And I would definitely consider purchasing another We-Strom!!
Cheers 🍻,, G. In beautiful Boulder City Nv. USA 🇺🇲
Getting my hands on a used 2012 "Wee" tomorrow, if my only complaint is that the ignition key is too big I will be very happy indeed!!!
If you have big hands the big key could even be a good thing lol. Hope you enjoy it!
Very Nice Review, Thanks!
My daily commuter is a 2011 (last year of Gen 2) since 71000k .
Main connector burned before installing relay, alternator changed under warranty, some glitches with electronic/fuel injection recently, a very rare case of oil leak between the 2 cylinders through the frame/support/attaching bolt (talked to a French owner who had his engine changed for same reason) mine "solved" with special cement. Bettering farkles/mods are not off-rod related. A DL1000 taller seat, a fork brace helps handling, a Gipro to stop guessing "5th or 6th?" on highway, cartridges in the front, progressive in the back, an additional hole in the windscreen to lower inside air buffeting, slightly longer-stemmed Kawa same shape rear mirrors, front fender extension, etc.. Only experiences off road were easy gravel/forest trails on dry days, no worries even with pillion. Ground clearance better than average road bike, fuel capacity (22L) as well.
She's mostly ugly with long fat front side panels, but anybody has ever heard a gen2 being stolen?
Not designed/advertized as a dirt-bike. More a dual sport tourer. Not a beast, but proved safe on the road by inviting you to stay within your own limits. Yeah ,well, almost boring, but a wise ride... Neutral and well balanced = surprisingly efficient . A budget-minded 80% tarmac adventurer. A serious off-roader on slim-wallet would go fetch the bush pig instead.
Did the cartridges in the forks make a big difference, Ralph? I used to have the road going SV650 and the forks were terrible... so I was surprised the V-strom didn't seem bad at all. But I know guys who do the emulators etc.
@@crosstrainingadventure Sorry late answer. I must check to be sure, as I have bought the FFRC Plex valves for the DR, then Cogent DDC for the DL, but I'm quite sure that's still not what's in. I have to ask the mechanics who placed them with the progressive springs, as I do not read any specs on his bill... Whatever is in doesn't bring more comfort. But handling feels clearly better in general, the behavior over little to middle bumps/holes is much cleaner. Rebound is obviously much better, as the front wheel used to stay off ground much longer after a bump. Tires being Pirelli Sorpion II reputed hard riders/stiff. Not sure about progressivity though, but general efficiency is better. Also far less brutal/mushy front diving in emergency breaking. Now I better learn exactly what's in !...
In the front progressive springs and Racetech valves, in the rear progressive shock with remote preload adjuster. During a mountain ride with pillion & camping gear/cases last month my fork brace went slowly loose. Wow, what a difference. Can't believe I rode without it for a couple of years...
Great review
Thanks
Bought a used 2004 DL650 three years ago. Serviced the bike and was told to replace the chain that still looked OK. I was wrong about the chain! Went on a 7000 mile trip from Denver Colorado to the Arctic circle in Alaska and back in 13 days, most of those miles in the rain. I did not service the chain and it became obvious that the chain was on it way out. Made it home though. Although I did not do any off-roading, the roads in Alaska were bad. Would suggest tires that does well in loose gravel and mud for the trip. This bike did not let me down! The fact that this bike does not require high octane fuel made it easy to drive in remote areas.
A good point with the chain, Filip. I don't know what the chain life would be on a V-strom but I usually get about 12000 miles on the DR650. A long trip like that would probably be best with a new chain.
your review is making me want one of these now.. im trying to find out what kind of bikes would be reliable enough to do an around australia trip and this definitely looks like a candidate ;)
I suspect any similar Japanese bike is going to be incredibly reliable. There's also the Kawasaki Versys 650.
I have a 2014 vstrom650. Air flow screen. Full delkelvic exhaust. 32 000 ks. UNREAL BIKE 🚲
Great bike for sure but that stator problem was still an issue on later models. Yup mine failed on a big trip and I was stuck in Northern Ontario for five days before a replacement was flown up. Suzuki never issued any recall here so far as I know. There was also a problem with 2013/14 models which had been fitted with untreated camshafts which failed rather quickly, within 5000 km as I remember.Suzuki did issue a recall for that problem.
After that I traded it for a Tiger 800 ,no issues so far.
Those camera angles off the bike (on a swing arm mount?) are fantastic. And did you also use a follow drone here and there?
Very happy ‘16 Strom XA owner here. Thanks for the filter points. Disagree with the standing point below, at a hair under 6’2” the standing position is very comfy, and I improved on that with *lowered pegs and a 2” bar riser and adjusting all control angle/positions properly to suit my body. My XA has spoked wheels and I put on *Avon 50/50 trekrider tires which are very good. *Use an inexpensive gel seat pad for long tours not only for me bum, but mainly to rise up a bit and increase knee angle. Also *replaced windshield to suit my height and then it the stock down and painted behind black for a nice little cowl for trail riding. *Very Comfortable: I’ve ridden 11.5 hr days and got off not feeling slogged at all (age 56) and ready for beer with relations. *Added skid plate, diy radiator screen (two doubled up BBQ screens with fuel hose surround piping fits like stock), and aluminum plates to protect ABS and kick stand sensors. *Build quality: In May a car breaked hard and turned across in front of me and I mashed nearly TBone angle into it at 50kms. The engine guard jabbed into the car and held but force of crash bent it outward 70 degrees. Fork damper both bent in slightly and I am replacing some plastic on one side, all was fairly easy to find at very good prices on eBay. (I bounced off and then was sent over it, landing 25’ on pavement. ATGATT saved my ass again, RIP Schuberth S2. Suggest everyone where a neck collar, and save your vertebrae. Fortunately it was not a high SUV or I probably wouldn’t be sending this, or anything else, now). *The bike is a Swiss Army Knife and carries a ton of stuff in its nooks, crannies and seat tray. *Two things though is it’s on the pudgy side for flicking around on too much of a trail (but it’s not meant for it either), and yes changing the air filter is a pain in the ass, and much more involved than it should be (but not rocket science).
We are getting some interesting angles with our 360 cam, Pete. You can get a pseudo drone effect... ua-cam.com/video/MEousGJCWhg/v-deo.html The V-strom is well summed up as the Swiss army knife!
Thanks for the video!
Our pleasure!
Nice vid !! Just picked up a 2015 650abs
Only 4k on the clocks ! Iv got big plans for this little pony !
Nice 👍
I had a lot of fun with my Vstrom off road and on. It had Conti TKC70's for the 2 years I had it and they were very good until about 3/4 worn, then they were a bit bad in the rain.
I loved it off road since its fairly manageable (I'm 6'3"), I got it stuck in a deep ish rut once by myself (about 1.5ft deep), so I just got off (the rut held it upright) and lifted the rear wheel out about a foot up using the pannier rails. It was surprisingly easy.
Then just lent it over to the left a bit more and lifted the handlebar to get the front wheel out. Sort of slid the bike up the forks a bit but it was just a bit of mud.
The fuel economy is SO GOOD as well. If I was driving around back roads and A roads up to 70 I could get 65mpg😳
I also cornered so hard on it that not only did I not have chicken strips, the edge of the tyres were actually scorched like they would be on track. I'll never forget that, riding around some twisty Welsh roads with my mate👍
Good review
The XT with the 19inch front and spoked tubeless wheels is pretty sweet, and 214kg wet!
Thanks for the review; I became familiar with your channel through your Beta reviews and have a highly modified 2018 Beta 500RRS. I recently purchased a 2014 Suzuki V-Strom 650 after test riding one. I found the bike to be far more fun to ride than it should be with a very forgiving gearbox, add to that the legendary reliability and you have a dead bang winner. Mine came with an aftermarket V-Stream windshield that works great, I'm 6' 2" so I dropped the pegs for increased comfort using a $63 kit available on eBay. I also installed a Seat Concepts kit to eliminate the down slope toward the tank, it raised the seat height and made it more comfortable and a bit wider as well; which necessitated bar risers that set the bars up and back an inch, now the bike eats up the miles in total comfort and reliability. Other changes: LED headlights (Yes, even those pesky marker lights), LED turn signals w/ a tail tidy, crash bars, added a skid plate then modified my lower cowling to fit over it and converted the bike to wide dirt bike foot pegs. I added some hand guards, Oury grips, custom graphics, mounted my Rokform cell phone mount and installed a dual Quick Charge 3.0 USB port in the "dash" as well, something that should be OEM by now. I just have to wear out the tires so I can run some Shinko 804/805 dual sports or Mitas E-07 Plus Dakar (stiffer sidewall). One minor perk, the bike has a good amount of storage under the seat, enough to stash a jump pack, a good size tool kit I put together, a front brake lock and bungee net.
Great to hear you are enjoying the bike! I know some guys find the bike is too 'vanilla' for them but when it comes to a budget reliable bike for road and easy dirt roads it's certainly a winner for many. My brother loves his, and isn't planning on selling it even though he bought a DR650 for tougher adventure rides.
@@crosstrainingadventure Things have changed a bit since I commented on your post. I sold the Beta and made enough extra money off of it to pick up a street legal Suzuki RM 250 two-stroke, which is borderline impossible to have plated in California. The bike came with Faast Flexx bars, a Scott's steering dampener, Boyesen covers and internals, spendy suspension work and an FMF exhaust. I ordered a Lectron carb for it, which arrives tomorrow.
@@SoCalSpy I'm thinking of getting a V-Strom 650. Have a Drz400sm now, which I might keep and put regular DRZ wheels on for trails. But I had a 06 RM250. Man, I loved that thing. Motor was fabulous
Oh gosh, I had a buddy that sold me his farkled 04 for stupid cheap, and it was a great bike. Unfortunatley at the time I was more involved with hardcore dirt riding via 300 two-smokes and didn't really ride it all that much, though I really enjoyed it when I did. Had to sell it due to layoffs, and nowadays I'm kicking myself in the butt. Now I'm looking for a replacement Wee or Glee for the longer more road/ light dirt orientated trips and keep the DR for the light road/ harder dirt riding.
My gen1 2011 has been great. I’m short with a 28 inch inseam so I lowered the bike and am quite comfortable. My son with longer legs also rides it so we lowered the pegs. It’s a great machine.
How did you lower it
@@williamsmith8041
There are a pair of suspension parts known as "dog bones". You can buy longer ones that will lower the frame.
Great review, thank you so much for the informations!
Quick question, how tall are you?😁
Nice review ....great allrounder as you say. On 2015 650XT I have lowered the pegs and had the ridges on the sides of the seat removed by an auto upholsterer due to extreme discomfort. Other than ground clearance I have no issues with the design of the bike. On its reliability no problems until leaving for Perth on first leg of Lap (pre-covid) bike wouldn't start ..waited for 5-10 minutes then it did. As this was the Grand Depart decided to press on. Wouldn't start again in Queenscliffe so had to push off the ferry to the amusement of my companions and then intermittently thereafter. Had it checked by dealers in Warrnambool and Adelaide fault code P1650 'IG Switch Circuit Malfunction both of whom couldn't find anything specific and cleared the fault. No more problems between Adelaide and Perth then on 2nd last day before flying back to Melbourne it happened again. Started next morning and now awaits in storage at Perth airport !
The starter switch has the headlights going through it and can burn out. It's mentioned in the video.
Thanks but it didn’t actually say that headlight power (LHS switch block) went through the starter (RHS) switch block and it doesn’t. That problem isn’t relevant to my bike (2015) or this fault
@@scrambledpegs2202 go to your bike. Turn on the ignition. Then without pulling in the clutch (so it doesn't crank the engine) press the starter switch button.
Do the headlights stay on? If so, you're right.
Do the headlights go out while the small running lights stay on or even get very slightly brighter as the load from the headlights is cut? If so you're wrong.
Let us know how you get on.
Ok thanks will give that a go
This is a doozy...when eventually picked up, started ok but then problem reoccurred. Took it to Savage Suzuki in Perth to get it checked . They couldn’t find anything wrong with the bike but told me to check both keys and any accessories ...the keys have chips in them and both would start the bike ok. However I had a plug in USB charger (the type with led light in it) in 12v cigarette socket close to the ignition ...I removed this, no problem. Put back...problem. It seems that this was intermittently interfering with the ‘handshake’ between the key and the ignition circuit that permits the bike to start..I tried a couple of different USB chargers until I found one that didn’t and rode on to Cairns without any further issues..(well...starting issues that is ...I did drop the bike in a river but that’s another story !!)
A beautiful unit for any application.
It sure is!
This past month
In Sahuarita AZ
I met a guy who had 176,000 on the clock. Amazing. Engine had not been opened up
Iv got the Dl650 “07” great bike only thing I can complain about is a numb arse if I’m riding anymore then an hour I’m only 70 odd ok sadly I’m selling my much loved Vstrom it’s got 80 thou on the clock and it’s not missing a beat
I haven't damaged my filter, but I did have to get a new exhaust after smashing my header into a rock and putting a massive dent in it
Awesome review as always!! I've often thought I would end up with one of these bikes.... Do they feel planted on gravel roads?
It certainly felt planted to me, John. Or as much as a 19 inch front wheeled bike should.... e.g. it was quite up there with the 21 inch front of the DR650. The ABS on later models would also be a plus if needing to haul on the brakes in a hurry.
Hi John. As a long time owner I just wanted to add my two cents. The bike can feel really planted or very scary depending on tire choices. One of the most famous tires out there, the TKC 80, is down right scary on this bike! I have never ridden anything that felt this horrible. Seriously a sport bike with sport bike tires feels more planted on a gravel road than the TKC does on the front of this bike. The rear TKC is fantastic but very short lifespan. I am a big fan of Mitas tires. E 07 and E 09. Long lasting and handle very well. Anyway, the point is that tires make a huge difference on this bike as it does with all bikes. But this bike can be great or horrible depending on the tires you choose.
Do they make a moose bumper for those? I'm always worried about smashing my bike
0:45 , is the Vstrom 1000 and 650 pictures are reversed ?
BTW Great little review, i have a 2012 one and it's very good, sometimes i would like to have a Vstrom 800cc version
Doh, thanks for picking that up. I've annotated the vid at that point. An 800 is an interesting idea... it's proving to be a very popular capacity and the 650 already outsells the 1000 model two to one apparently. They might pick up more sales if the 1000 became an 800? 🤔
Wow... if those are the issues, I'm sold
about to buy a new 2020 DL 650. Can't buy a new KLR now. They don't sell them yet. Glad I waited, the DL is more expensive, but smoother and faster than a thumper.
@3:32 well, actually, v strom 650 -213 kilos, v strom 650 XT - 216 kilos, versys 650 - 217 kilos and these are all taken from the european sites and that means fueled (at least 90 % tank), ready to ride.
I bought a used 2012 with ABS and about 25,000 miles on it. I kept it for about a year and a half until KTM came out with the 790. That Weestrom was bullet proof. Great machine for paved roads and dirt fire roads. Sold it when I got my 790. I like the 790 better but for the money the DL650 is hard to beat.
I haven't ridden the 790 but when you look at the cost I figure it must be quite a different bike for that money. It looks as though the 790 / 890 will be made in China at some point. indianautosblog.com/ktm-790-duke-ktm-790-adventure-production-shifted-china-september-2020-p319129
@@crosstrainingadventure For where I ride the 790 works better for me. I have miles of forest service roads and hardcore twisty paved mountain roads. The power and suspension is much appreciated on the high mountain climbs and corners. The cornering ABS is comforting given I’m prone to act like a juvenile at times on the twisties when out with my buddies. I have cruise control on mine but honestly I don’t use it much. For the average guy living in a mostly flat land environment or commuting the DL650 doesn’t give up that much to the 790. In those circumstance it may not be worth the price difference. I paid $3,500 US for my used 2012 in 2018 and sold it a little over a year later for about the same amount. Try that with the new KTM. I only put about 2,500 miles on the DL but I was very impressed with the value.
My brother has a mint condition DL650 which he picked up for peanuts. He doesn't ride it often but loves it when he does and says why bother selling it when it costs so little? I'm sure that would be different with a depreciating 790 gathering dust in the garage....
With a pair of 50-50 tires, the VStrom can handle various terrain, just stay away from mud. Think of it as a mid-size SUV with some off-road potential.
Out of interest, what tires are you running? My brother had been looking at the Shinko 804.
@@crosstrainingadventure that's the tire my dad's running 2010 1000. Loves it, no issues however only done a coupla hundred k's as we were (and still are) still in lockdown when we put em on. Gotta love Vic!
@@crosstrainingadventure I ran Shinko 800's all over the western US in June, and got a 2nd set which I am enjoying on some northeastern rocky/unpaved roads. They absolutely rail corners on the pave, are usually a blast on loose gravel, and did well in all conditions, most of the time. (snow is ok if fresh and not crusty or over 6" deep; mud is a no go if it is rutted/slippery base, can be ok in some muds if they are thicker and don't have a too hard (slippery) , nor endless bottom).
@@crosstrainingadventure Sorry for the very late reply, just saw your comment now. This season I used Mitas E07+, which are great for most terrain types - had them through gravel, deep gravel, dirt, superficial mud, grass and even crossed a couple of creeks with them. On the road, not the greatest piece of rubber. Ok in warm and dry conditions, but they feel sketchy on wet / cold tarmac. I would not push them if conditions are not ideal.
EDIT: I have a gen 1 2005 DL650, suspension is completely stock; just added protective elements - crashbars, steel skid-plate and Barkbusters for hand-guards.
I like that analogy :-)
I own a 2016 XT, so the last of the Gen 2 bikes. Two issues I have:
1) the combination of lots of plastic bodywork and a V-twin makes maintenance a chore - just compared with the SV650 for example the radiator cap and rear brake master cylinder are obscured by plastic panels that you won't face on the SV with almost identical components. Most jobs require a session of undoing crumby fasteners and panels that feel like they're going to break both when you take them off and put them back on.
2) I ride on salty roads in the UK and corrosion is an ongoing battle of touching bits up. My main issue with this is the wire wheel spokes as they're very visible and a pain to actually get the rust off, and even then they look shabby. By comparison my previous bike was a 90s Honda and it had far fewer rusty fasteners despite being 20+ years older.
That all said the bike is comfortable and more than competent enough for any road riding at legal speeds, and will handily get you to places that a sports bike wouldn't. Other bonuses are the big fuel range (250+ miles easy) and the wind protection is great as long as you can find a windscreen setup you get on with. If I end up replacing this bike it will likely be a case of want vs actual need.
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately I only found out about the lack of access due to plastic panels after making this vid, Geshmaal. My brother still hasn't done his air filter yet but apparently it's a real chore... I did add this to the 'further comments' I always put into the pinned first comment.
@@crosstrainingadventure I followed a youtube video to change the air filter - no big deal bit fiddly but simple enough.
My 2019 dl650 abs is incredible. Can’t wait to set up it for off-road next year! Kinda need those nobbies for the terrain I’m after! The only down fall to this bike, the top end. 120 mph tops.
Yup great bike!! Will probably keep it until it dies. (If it ever does) 😄
Wow. I think you hit all the "concerns" with this excellent bike. There aren't many.
I'll add one: The headset uses "ball" bearings. Before hitting 30,000 miles (assuming you're doing some gravel roads fairly often), you'll start to notice the steering will "notch" in the center as the balls wear a groove in the races.
The repair is to put tapered bearings in. This repair can be done without removing the fairings. About 4 hrs with simple tools for the DIYer..
my crappy ole XR650 from the 1990's came with taper bearings. Hard to believe Suzuki still uses ball bearings in the triple tree....
Great point Steph, I'll add that to the pinned first comment notes.
I had a series one the buffeting was ridiculous till I found the smallest screen possible for it then I had it for a few years I now have the mk3 650 and its superior to the mk1 in all ways
There is a problem with clogging the high pressure fuel screen that is not replaceable on it’s own but built into the fuel pump assembly I’ve just dealt with this on my 2008 dl650. A popular mod is bypassing this and installing an aftermarket fuel filter in the fuel line between the tank and the injectors.
I didn't come across this one despite hours of hunting around online, thanks for the tip. I assume it's just a generation one issue? Any idea which year model they fixed this?
@@crosstrainingadventure i know Gen 2 still has the fuel filter issue. I pre filter fuel as it goes in, but it's a slow and slightly annoying fix.
Que máquina Fantástica.......tenho uma 650 XT - 3° geração....... gostaria de saber se aí na Europa já se cogita a 4° Geração, com o layout da 1050.
Marcos - Brasil
I had the failed headlight issue on my 2012, a connector failed under the air box.
I had to bypass the failed pin.
Best bang for the buck! 💥
Love my wee 2006
How is the CB 500x included
Great video mate what was the engine vibration like through the handle bars?
I'm probably the wrong person to ask, Michael. I don't seem to really notice vibrations at all. And coming from two stroke dirt bikes all these adventure bikes seem incredibly smooth to me...
The vibrations actually turned me off buying the strom. Perhaps some aftermarket grips would have sorted it but I figure it shouldn’t need them. I also found the footpegs in the wrong spot for when my legs were on the ground. They hit my calfs. Such a shame Suzuki didn’t refine things more, but if those things don’t bother you - they’re a great bike.
I spoke with a previous owner who was quite short and he didn't like its weight and how top-heavy it felt. He found it particularly an issue on steep hills. Being a short rider myself, that kind of put me off buying this bike for serious adventure riding. If I had to get this bike, I'd get it at most for gravel roads. And if I'm going to ride mostly pavement, then I'd get the lighter Tracer 700. I sat on the Versys 650 and as far as road bike ergonomics go, it was as if I was sitting on a couch. Seat height was a bit high (I have a 30" inseam) but I could easily plant 1 foot solidly on the ground, so no issues there. But it's a heavy bike... Just moving it up from the side stand required some effort. I wouldn't want to drop it. :)
There is a lower seat option from Suzuki, and a few aftermarket options too. www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/product/parts-accessories/45100-28K50-BGP/v-strom-650-low-seat-l7/ There are some lighter twin cylinder bikes around, but of course usually a bigger price tag. You are right, it is a bike intended for highway and easy dirt roads only. I think for anything more off road you need to go to the 21 inch front wheel and a lighter bike.
@@crosstrainingadventure Now you've just reminded me of a guy who rode 2-up from Malta all the way to Malaysia on the 650 V-Strom. It seems like his website is down but you can still find posts detailing his journey and bike problems he encountered on Facebook here: facebook.com/wildfeathersblog/
He flogged the bike and rode it OVERLOADED through places it had no right to go through. Of course, he did break a number of things along the way. Despite that, I still see him riding the bike around today. Says a lot about the V-Strom's quality tbh!
It's a road bike. It really has no place on a steep rocky fire trial, but having said that, I've got a 29 inch in seam and I mostly ride it with a very thick sheepskin on the seat and it still feels very low to me. I often read about people lowering this bike or complaining that it's high and I'm always completely baffled. I have no problem *at all* taking a quick dab on one side if I have to.
2020 Adventure 650 picked up a few days ago. Planning to ride TAT and BDR CO, WY, ID, NM, A few adjustments needed...bars too far for my short arms...maybe pegs too. Really enjoying it so far just 200 miles.
Great to hear, Eric! And if you stay out of everyone's dust you won't have to do your air filter for ages... apparently it's a real pain trying to access them.
@@crosstrainingadventure your info and videos are AWESOME.. Sold my Harley after dropping in on my sandy,hilly,gravel,rattlesnake 1 mile driveway and could not pick it up. Really enjoying your videos. My 650 Wee Strom is 350lbs less than comfy Harley.🙂
I'm not even 60 yet but I struggle a bit to pick up my DR650, Eric. 😂 I figure I'll just get progressively lighter bikes as I get older!
@@crosstrainingadventure lol....TURNED 60 A MONTH AGO. I figure learning new stuff will help my old brain stay healthy. Going to gym and watching fly fishing videos to take up new hobby. Look forward to camping off my bike near high alpine Colorado lakes and catching supper. 100% going for it. Old guy in Texas. Just watched your "Certain death" video. Well done Brother, very well done.
Camping by alpine lakes... sounds like you'll be living the dream Eric!
Yeah that is what I count on for daily duty.(2017 base model) My friend with a vastly more powerful Kawi wonders why I don't want another 50 HP? I find the Vstrom 650 great for running through the gears on. It is very docile at low revs , but has a comforting power delivery. It seems I am always pushing it hard to ask myself... is this bike slow? No, I don't think it is. My only complaint is the forks are a bit soft and the brakes could be a bit sharper for sport riding. Swapped my seat as I found it not comfortable (Russel Sport now) lowered my pegs, brought the bars one inch up and one inch back. It now is about perfect for me in terms of fit. I could ride this thing all day. Hope to put extended miles on it some day soon. All that for $5300 USD brand new. (Bought in Canada, where bikes are cheapest)
Who needs more power? I still remember a mate with his Casey Stoner replica Fireblade with 110 hp more than my Suzuki 650 but I could keep up with him because the crazy acceleration always spooked him and he'd hit the brakes way too early... and wasn't game to hit the throttle until well out of the corner.
@@crosstrainingadventure The bike my friend rides and lets me sample is a ZX14R. Has a Governor on it that keeps it under 300KM/HR. He's seen 270 on the track and he is a 64 year old with bad vision. I'm always happy when I give the keys back. I find I'm into slower roads now and actually don't enjoy much above 65 MPH. Two lane corners are fun though. Salut Barry!
Stator flywheel magnets move on earlier models, fuel pump is very very expensive to replace, yes the internal filter is a pain, the small screen on the end is a $70 part on its own, fueling on early models questionable, revove the timing retard - big diference. Keep them serviced and the throttle bodies balanced and they run fine. My first Gen DL1000 is up to 103,000kms, and has the usual early model clutch basket rattle which is slightly anoying at low revs, but can and will be fixed with an aftermarket modified basket when the clutch gets replaced. As with any bike, tune the suspension to your weight and riding style and it is happy days. Front fender needs to be raised for any mud riding, my last crash was caused from the front wheel locking up with mud, making it more like a snow mobile. Agressive knobbies may reqire this to be raised regardless. Rumour has it a fork brace is also a worth investment. Great all day traveller. Will keep mine until it dies.
@ 5ft 9in (standard units, yuck!), I had some pretty bad problems with wind buffeting on the first generation model. Absolutely great bike otherwise, but beware the windscreen! Google search will yield various solutions.
Yes my 2019 vstrom 1037cc sometimes I call it 1050cc bit it's a 1000cc but who cares the only problem I can say is riding in the rain water pools on my lap if I had a seat cover that could drain the water faster would help but I don't care about getting wet it's normal for a motorcyclist I am 6 foot 2 inches and the seat height is ok the other problem is when going through a corner my feet scrap the ground maybe leaning it to far but hay it's lots of fun
Love my wee it's 2006 89K miles on :)
Lov’n your Wee Scottish Accent 👍👈
Aye, ma bum's oot the windae!
I'm 1m89. I'm between the vstrom 650 and the nc750x. The vstrom seems to have better sizing for me and will be more comfortable for long distance. The nc750x has everything else: dct, frunk, lower center of gravity and more agile in curves and city and lower fuel consumption
Interesting... I'm a bit taller again and found the Vstrom a bit cramped after about 30 minutes of riding. I figured I would need a higher seat and/or lower footpegs if I owned one.
@@crosstrainingadventure I guess the nc750x would feel even worse since it's smaller, especially the newer versions. Have you tried the gs1200? I think that one is the biggest. Tall handlebar, tall seat
My buddy is 6'7" and rides the wee. He loves it.
It is a good sized bike, I'm not quite that tall but find it has plenty of room.
Own DL650 2007 found get an air flow on the seat will stop you sliding forward to the tank.😊
good reliable strong little bikes
How does it do with pillion + luggage? Underpowered? Does the suspension get overwhelmed?
It's been fine with two average weight people but haven't carried luggage as well.
A have a new vstrom 650 great bike but causes vibrations on the footrest
Yeah, unfortunately Suzuki only recalled SOME of the 1st gen for the stator issue. My 2009 was never recalled, and sure enough the stator died. This despite the part number being the same as that of other Suzuki's that DID see the recall. I will never forgive Suzuki for this. The only other big issue has been wind noise, which appears to be more due to the mirrors than the windscreen.
Just needs a 21 Inc front and spoked wheels and I am sold
If they were going to do a major update this would be a great idea! And drop some weight too. The earlier SV650 road bike was 20 kg lighter, showing it shouldn't be hard to do.
@@crosstrainingadventure i guess i am gonna have to keep riding my bmw650
They have a 21" front wheel🙄😁
0:44 you got the pictures switched.
You made no comment on the brakes which I'm curious about as I'm considering purchase of a 650 V Strom. I've read a number of comments about lack of feel and undue pressure required to effect rapid braking. Thoughts?
That's interesting to hear, Alex. I spent a long time googling around, reading forum posts, and watching vids. I didn't come across any complaints about the brakes. I wonder if these might be comments from riders who've come from a road riding background? Of course I come from a dirt riding background so the brakes felt quite strong and very capable to me.
@@crosstrainingadventure Good point, the reviews that I found were all UA-cam videos and there was a comment or two about how modification to improve initial bite might be advantageous on tarmac but a disadvantage on dirt. Several commentators noted that the 1000cc V Strom's brakes were better than the 650's but again as you say (and I frankly don't recall which review said what i've watched so many) this may be from guys with a primarily road riding bias.
That inherent bias we all have can certainly be a problem, Alex. It's partly why I've been collecting dozens of online opinions to work into my own thoughts when reviewing stuff nowadays... hopefully it makes things more objective.
I had a fluid change at the 12k service. I would have sworn black and blue that a fluid change could have no effect, but I did get a lot more feel from it.
It also seems sensitive to the lever position. It's adjustable and if you get it wrong the brakes feel weak.
The brakes do a damn good job of slowing or stopping the bike and I've had to stop in a hurry plenty of times, 2014 DL650 with ABS.
Someone complained about key size 😆. Seriously
Lo to mid range power is less than I like, so will change a sprocket.
I like it doesn’t have lots of tech cuz tech breaks, complicates fixes & its a mid size ADV many will drop a few times.
I agree Will, all this technological wizardry leaves me cold... with motorbikes or cars.
A well-maintained, garage kept, first or second generation DL650 with less than 40,000 miles on the clock might be the best "bang for the buck" bike in motorcycledom. They can be expected to last for over 100,000 miles and many years without major problems, and they can be bought for a song, relatively speaking. They are not the speediest bikes, but you probably will never experience a more satisfying and capable 70-ish horsepower on two wheels. As a matter of fact, the WeeStrom's 90 degree V-twin is one of my favorite engines of all time, and I've ridden avidly for 50 years and owned over 40 motorcycles.
Great summary, Ralph!
@@crosstrainingadventure Thanks, CTA! With the smorgasbord of used, remarkably-priced DL650 motorcycles in the world, many already accessorized to the max, there is no reason at all for anybody to use budget restraints as an excuse to be bikeless. With retirement looming and several other financial factors severely limiting my disposable income at the present time, I got a great deal on a loaded-out, 2013 V-Strom 650 ABS Adventure a few years ago and never skipped a riding beat. As a matter of fact, I would say I'm as well off motorcycle-wise as I have ever been.
CHEERS!
Great to hear! We can save huge amounts of money if we don't fall for all the marketing hype about needing the latest and greatest.