Thanks for the video, Dan. Only one problem: I have an iMac G5 ALS, and have owned it from new. I've downloaded MorphOS (in April 2024), and burned it to CD using Toast, but the Mac refuses to begin booting from it. The CD is read, the screen blanks for a moment, and then reverts to the greys screen while the cooling fans go to full power. Nothing else happens, even if I leave the machine for an hour. I've tried holding down the C key and I've also used the Option key and selected the CD and tried to boot from it that way. Nothing.
Nice to see the state of MorphOS. I have a Powerbook G4 with a MorphOS license. I haven't used it in a couple of years. This inspires me to maybe pull it out and update it. I really hope they get a full build working on Raspberry Pi. I think that's the platform where they'll get the most people trying out the OS.
@@alynicholls3230 Nobody in their right mind would want to pay for this. There are far better free OSes out there. It's a bad joke for people clinging to an OS/OEM that died 30+ years ago. It's so, so niche (the hardware restrictions alone are ridiculous) that it's virtually pointless. This probably doesn't even have 1% of the users GNU/Linux have, and GNU/Linux is in a distant 3rd behind Windows and Mac OS. The fact that they have the gall to actually charge people to use it just demonstrates that they have totally lost their marbles.
@@encycl07pedia- It's ultra-niche but it looks pretty polished and is being updated somewhat regularly it seems. So the fact that the devs are charging for this OS isn't shocking. 80€ is relatively steep, though.
@@encycl07pedia- The money that they charge probably (hopefully) pays for them to develop new things for it. I think it is nice, it is like people going to their local pub and tipping the musicians. If it wasn't for their money then probably it would just die and then there'd be one less OS people could use. I wonder why BeOS didn't last the same way though? Maybe there is a core group of developers who do it even if there isn't enough money.
I'm currently anticipating at least a WIP release of MorphOS for AMD64. They showcased a prototype back in 2019 on a Ryzen 5 and it was impressive for how early it was in development. I did consider AmigaOS 4.1, but they don't seem to be weaning off PPC anytime soon.
Dump PPC and move to ARM. I fool around with enough old Amiga hardware to not be dorking around with old Macs too and an Amiga like experience on a RPI or related board would be a welcome change from the various Linux distros. (Of course I have been saying the same thing about AmigaOS 4 for quite a while now too.)
Interesting video, I'm a big fan of any OS that keeps old hardware going but.....show me where you can get a Mac Mini G4 for 20 quid! They are starting at £100 on that well known auction site.
You can get Intel based ones much cheaper but the PowerPC ones are quite expensive these days. That said, I found one for 50€ (not labeled as G4, but it is one) just a few minutes ago. Ordered it right away, so I can give this MorphOS thing a try.
@@andycraig7734 I paid 80 plus postage for my G5, guy is a professional recycler Computer dealer. Ask for a plywood screen protector to be put over it. saves the heartbreak of a damaged LCD on a classic machine. I did and he did.. I discoverd MacOS is a weird operating system.
Thought I had seen every good retro UA-camr, since I started on UA-cam in 2007. I have never seen you before. And yet your videos are clearly in the absolute top tier of retro content. That is surprising and a bit sad to me. But I am happy that I was finally given a random recommendation for your videos by the UA-cam algorithm. I hope it means that you are about to be blessed with many more subscribers.
Morphos is the crown jewel of amiga systems. The os and programs for it are spectacular and people run their businesses on the thing is cool. Iris even has contacts and meetings scheduling.
If they ever ported MorphOS to the Raspberry Pi, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I love what I have seen of it, but I don't have any hardware that can run it, and don't want to have to run out to buy a G4 or G5, which are a bit under powered now by modern standards. I'd definitely buy a copy, if it's available for ARM 64 on any non-Apple hardware.
Internet banking was one of the reasons people did not use alternative operating systems. But now that people use their cell phones for these functions, people might give alternative systems another look.
eh, even Linux has problems gaining market share. If you mean geeks like us, it is more realistic, but again even "common" alternative OSes (like BSD) are really niche systems with not that many users using it as daily drivers
Maybe but i just think installing operating systems in general should be more accessible for most users its a stressful experience with a lot of things that can go wrong so people will only use what comes pre installed even if its bad.
Internet Explorer* And we must be aware of alternative mobile operating systems, even Android custom roms are having problems with banking apps because many of them takes action against rooted and jailbroken devices, which directly violates the user's freedom.
Sorry for double commenting but its really sad that we are now being forced to use our phones and computers for such important things Going to a bank and doing your banking there on their terminal should be a option for those that don't want to deal with computers and the internet or those that don't want to rely on them for such important stuff but looks like this is a way for them to save money so just force everyone to get a phone even if they don't want to. i loved my computer and phone because it gave me entertainment and knowledge but now it will be too important to experiment with.
@@vetrixfx9264 In the case of the BSD family hasn't helped it being heavily dependent on Linux either, the fact that those OSes provides the same desktop environments, display servers, etc, and don't do anything new and their own makes them indistinguishable from Linux, and this makes it very difficult even for most Linux users to use FreeBSD (the most usable of the 4) for daily desktop use, there is no real justification, Linux has all that, the same o r more modularity and with all the official free software support. +80-90% of FreeBSD packages are shared with Linux and are developed from the Linux community, major web browsers available are unofficial builds, and that means a lot of shortcomings, i.e. no Widevine, no official Electron support, no Chromium derivatives, and so on so on so on.. And i only talked about FreeBSD, the others are still in a much more precarious situation for desktop, If BSDs want to get anywhere they must ensure their technological independence from Linux first, more necessary than ever for things like systemd, because today the BSDs are in the same place as Linux was 15-20 years ago,, they are basically Linux distros with another kernel, without systemd and much less support, that's not attractive to anyone. They could start by creating their own display server that solves Xorg's problems and Wayland's shortcomings at a stroke, create stable, feature-additive, cross-platform, non-display server dependent widget toolkit, something, that solves issues and benefit everyone, making derivatives that differ from the Linux distros by integrating the technologies in different or better ways, their own technologies, that is, self-sufficiency... When you use an alternative OS over the pre-installed one, it is because you have reasons to do so, and all those reasons are due to its differences with the one you have always used, regardless of its hardware or software support or however niche it may be, so that there should be a justification (all equally valid) to do that, for a UNIX geek the reason to use BSD over Linux is because of systemd, for a more average user the reason to use Linux over Windows is due to its open nature, that it's a more lighter or efficient OS, its modularity or whatever you want, you didn't abandon Windows for abandoning it, you abandoned it because you had a powerful reason for it.
Great video Dan. Was definitely overdue as well with the developments with Wayfarer and Iris. UA-cam works best if you make it full screen as that cuts down on processor load. Also worth pointing out that you only pay the €79 once for each machine and then you’ll get free updates each time after that. It might sound expensive but it’s worth it to keep the core developers developing.
I missed out on the Amiga back in the day and lusted over the A3000 and A4000 on display in a local computer store, both way above my pay grade. Nevertheless, I was fascinated enough to emulate the Amiga on an old dedicated Dos machine using UAE. It was rather nice, particularly with the MUI interface, so much so that I was impressed and blown away at what could have been. Anyway, Morphos looks great and it would be nice to see an ARM version, although I'm personally not into proprietary operating systems. In fact, only this week I installed AROS One and Icaros under VirtualBox and was amazed at how stable and appealing they both are. Nice video Dan, thank you. I don't suppose you could do more videos on AROS?
It looks really slick and polished. As a few others have said its a shame it only runs on hardware that is so old. It would be awesome if it could run on early Intel Macs - would be a nice use for a cheap old Mac.
I suspect the main reason modern OSes don't encourage RAM disks is that if you make them too big it simply eats into swap space on the SSD, negating any advantage and probably making the system suddenly unresponsive. Plus there's the potential for data loss from users who don't understand what a RAM disk is. Having said that, they're easy to create from the terminal in Linux or MacOS.
I have the Dolphin thumbnail cache on tmpfs on Linux, as my CPU is so fast I don't want it wasting GBs of storage space on it. I believe most distros use tmpfs for /tmp by default these days too?
I have 16gb of Ram on my PC but it runs out all the time my PC has a weird bug where if i use more than 80% of my Ram it sometimes starts glitching out very annoying and i would also like to say ramdisks don't make much Sence these days anyway the amiga did not even have a hard drive when it came out back then that was a luxury that not everyone needed nowadays every computer has a hard drive and the hard drive will be way bigger than the amount of Ram you will have i Guess it can be used to load things faster but you have to put it on there first so it wouldn't be worth it in most cases sorry for the bad punctuation but my phone is glitching out so i can't edit and i need to post it before everything crashes.
you cannot make it too big its dynamic. its always as big as the available free ram. it works w/o any set up, the user cannot mess it up and it couldnt make the system unresponsive. it just works.
Looks like a good os it seems that the only thing that holds early 2000s hardware back from being usable these days is all the spaghetti code from most modern software.
It's not that simple. Modern Operating Systems use a lot more resources to provide stable and secure environment. Modern software is of course quite bad and wasteful on resources, but it is only optimized until it runs well enough on hardware average user has. Ultimately early 2000s hardware isn't good enough for 1440p or higher displays. We use high res images and 4K videos that is process by dedicated hardware codecs. Such old hardware can't handle that and it will waste tons of energy just for displaying simple web pages. Low-end smartphones have much faster CPUs, significantly better GPUs and way more RAM, while using a fraction of energy.
@@Leeki85 Yea but you can just set the resolution to 240p at least on UA-cam but i am not saying people should use very old hardware it will be worse than new hardware but it could be used for many modern things if it was not for the software support being cut off or the bloated code.
@@Leeki85 No point in trying to explain this. Most folks have it in their mind that they could browse the web on a 2000s era machine just like a current machine if it wasn't for the 'spaghetti code'. Very difficult to get them out of that incorrect mindset.
Oh my... Pagestream... thats an applications namne i havent heard for a very long time, loved to play around with it back in the Amiga A2000 days... now i'm really nostalgic...
Just watching this again. In enjoyed the video the first time and in the time between, I also got this working. The Mac Mini G4 on ebay was a tad more expensive than 20 pounds tho. The screen output from the DVI was a pain to get right. Something with the output signal and ofcourse I don't have the Cinema screen that was supposed to go with it. In the end I got it working and it's nice to see that VNC and Synergy are working just fine, it's a small box so it's a nice device to have on your desk. My A1200 can't be on my desk ready to use because it's a tad too big for that. The mac mini g4 with morphos just stacks upon another mac mini g4 and on top of that a nespi4 case with a raspberry pi4 and UAE. Thanks for these videos Dan, I might have to beef up my CD32 next :)
Nice, a few years ago (5?) I heard about Morphos and went out and bought 2 mac mini g4. Was severely dissapointed. I put my old a4000 hard drive in a USB enclosure and it wasn't recognised, I used winuae to put some adf, dms, hdf files on a flash drive and the system Morphos had no clue what the files were. The system made the mini functional but in order to get it to run old Amiga software you needed emulation. Well if I'd be using emulation I opted for winuae on the pc. Great toseethatthey added emulation/compatibility right out of the box. May consider bring the mini out of retirement.
old software that is stored in disk images mostly is sioftware that was not programmed according to system conformity rules but instead banged the hardware directly. of course that wuill not run
it looks slick and professional. they'd have a lot more luck if they ported it to x86. i wouldnt mind studying it and porting my software to it, if the documentation's good enough
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I believe there's a gcc port for MorphOS, so a cpu architecture shouldn't be much of an issue.
I have a bunch of old Amiga floppy disks I'd love to explore from the 90's... last I looked there's no PC app to do so. Anyone know of a way to open Amiga floppy disks on a PC?
Actually a demo of MorphOS running on AMD64 was shown, not ARM64: there is no evidence they are interested in moving to ARM64. Link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/oAUZivdbn-Q/v-deo.html
It makes sense, x86-64 (AMD64) is easier to support than ARM64 because x86 PCs have UEFI/BIOS that provides a standardized layer between the underlying base hardware and the OS bootloader. That is, on PCs, generic system images are possible because the system can be queried via UEFI/BIOS at boot. On most ARM64 devices there is nothing like that (and even if is, it requires signed images) => each OS image has to be specific for a given board with a device tree baked in. To make matters worse, ARM SoCs are much more closed, you can see that ARM SBCs are crippled by the incomplete driver support for their hardware (most often no video acceleration/decoding => poor web experience). On PC, there are open-source Linux drivers for AMD and Intel GPUs + at the very least one can limit oneself to support hardware exposed by the virtual machines.
These on board pcs like C64 and Microsoft MSx used to be popular here in Tunisia in the 90s because "real" 286 or 386 based PCs were veery expensive. Moreover teachers could do text editing and exam preparation on them quite well.
MorphOS is paid, perhaps more polished but currently limited to the (now) dead-end PPC ghetto (ancient Macs, hard-to-get old PPC boards, and expensive/unavailable AmigaONE machines using underpowered PPC processors for the embedded market - desktop ones died with G5), albeit there have been rumors about works on the x86 port. AROS is both: free (as in beer) and open-source. Runs on m68k, x86, and perhaps a few PPC boards. At least on x86, classic (m68k) Workbench software is run via its built-in emulator. As far as I know, AROS is the only AmigaOS-like that can use multiple cores, others (AmigaOS 4, MorphOS) can utilize only one. Alas, AROS will give you less 'retro' vibe, because you can easily run it within x86 VM (to circumvent driver issues) on nearly any PC. Whereas to run MorphOS you will have to hunt for old hardware.
Thanks Dan, just a quick point, you don't need to be an Amiga fan-boy to enjoy MorphOS, I have never used Amiga OS, but use MorphOS on my PowerBook G4, I'm not sure I could use it as my daily driver, but obviously needs vary.
I use MorphOS 3.17 on my mac G5. It is the only system I run on it these days. OpenBSD and the linux distro's have fallen by the wayside. But I would caution anyone not to use the Chrysalis pack. Their 3.17 (Release4) made me have to reinstall everything - twice. It causes system freezing and apps to stop working. Hopefully they will iron out the bugs in the next release.
as an old scener and a member of Freezers demo group and Digital Corruption crack group and now a worldwide chart hitting music producer & dj ... I really thinking of getting back to amiga where my career is built up .. I've spare G5 mac around ... .Im thinking of buying this morph stuff. but .. does it have a emulation layer for older stuff like games demos etc.like rosetta did for macos ?? meanwhile dan ... I really like your stuff ... keep it goıing!!
Because morph os will become more and more modern this means that one day the developer will have to open a gate for old intel or new processors to give them a new chance old Pc or laptop
Linux actually does have a ramdisk by default in most distros these days - /tmp is in RAM. This is true on Solaris too, but who uses *that* on a desktop? :P
This just blew my goddamn mind. There is an actively developed, pay to play operating system, that runs on old Powermacs? What? It's awesome, but really - WHAT?! When did UA-cam become Interdimensional Cable!? Anyway, you Amiga people are crazy. And awesome.
@@xy-lk9pd true... But I cannot afford a better machine... Especially with the upcoming financial crisis... Credit Suisse just collapsed and we are next.
did they ever make it so that nvidia cards will work? i can't source an ati card at the moment which is the only reason i've been unable to use this os
Great channel Dan, followed retro hour from the beginning. And Amiga addict magazine reader (hi Ravi, AA team). Could you help point me to the Chrysalis pack? all the links I’ve found are down. Thank you.
Due to planned obsolescence and its profitability, apart from the increasing laziness of developers that has led to a massive decline in cross-platform development since the 1990s (after the consolidation of the Wintel monopoly).
yes, if they are programmed in aclean, system friendly way. No, if they bang the hardware directly or rely on the presence of spexific audio or gfx chips
i just wish it was compatible with my imac g3, or my imac g4. Neither are supported shame really both machines are doing nothing at the moment. The imac G3 would be seriously cool but i understand why it wouldnt be compatible in a way - that machine is probably only 233-266mhz
Hello Dan from across the pond! I'm a big fan of your channel, and have a quick question. I have a power mac G5 a1093 and a mac pro a1186 1.1 and a mac mini a1114. Is it possible to install Morphos on any of the models?
It's weird how all these alternative macOS and Amiga OS's cost money. It makes it hard to justify using them. You'd think niche software would want to be free like Linux so more people use them.
Even if MorphOS were freeware i don't think many more people would use it, it requires niche architecture and hardware, even Haiku and FreeBSD being available for x86 CPUs don't even have reach 1% market share.
"The mighty X5000" Hahahaha, had a good laugh at that statement. That piece of Sh!t's CPU is something you find in controller cards for PC peripherals, not to mention the dinosaur video card it uses which you pay out of your @ss for. You can blame the X5000 and models before that as well as OS4 (for only running on this garbage hardware) for further burying the Amiga and making it a laughing stock to the rest of the computing world instead of making it what the Amiga once was. 10 years ahead of the rest, instead we get something that is 20 years + behind the rest with the X5000.
Question: I've always wondered this. Can you still run old Amiga software from 5.25/3.5 inch floppies on this modern platform? Yes, he did answer whether you can run older Amiga software in emulation. But I'm talking about physical floppies or floppy emulators. Though I suppose it's easier with just disk images (but how would you make them from your own library if you can't find a copy in disk image format online?).
The Amiga disk format requires a special controller to read disks. Afaik you can’t read them on a pc/Mac without additional hardware or interface like the Catweasle
There is Arduino software available to dump Amiga disks by hooking the Arduino up to a regular HD PC floppy drive. It's a pita to get going though. Afaik it works by low level raw reading the disk and then software on the PC is able to extrapolate the disk image from the dumped raw data.
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Thanks for the video, Dan. Only one problem: I have an iMac G5 ALS, and have owned it from new. I've downloaded MorphOS (in April 2024), and burned it to CD using Toast, but the Mac refuses to begin booting from it. The CD is read, the screen blanks for a moment, and then reverts to the greys screen while the cooling fans go to full power. Nothing else happens, even if I leave the machine for an hour. I've tried holding down the C key and I've also used the Option key and selected the CD and tried to boot from it that way. Nothing.
No better sound in the world than Dan's voice
Especially on a Sunday with a bank holiday 👍
Well, ahoy is even better (which is quite hard) in my view, but dan is amazing, too. And he uploads 😁👍
First time listener and I agree. 2009 base MBP(when I feel like slinging bad code), dell c510 (retro gamer)
I like it when he says "Batman Pack"
I wish I could repurpose my WiiU to run Morph OS. Its a 2013 PowerPC with several gigs of ram, wireless internet, and USB.
Yes or XBox 360.
Nice to see the state of MorphOS. I have a Powerbook G4 with a MorphOS license. I haven't used it in a couple of years. This inspires me to maybe pull it out and update it.
I really hope they get a full build working on Raspberry Pi. I think that's the platform where they'll get the most people trying out the OS.
but pi users wont even try it for 79 euro and 30 min test limit, if they really want to expand its user base, they need a better demo.
@@alynicholls3230 Nobody in their right mind would want to pay for this. There are far better free OSes out there. It's a bad joke for people clinging to an OS/OEM that died 30+ years ago. It's so, so niche (the hardware restrictions alone are ridiculous) that it's virtually pointless. This probably doesn't even have 1% of the users GNU/Linux have, and GNU/Linux is in a distant 3rd behind Windows and Mac OS. The fact that they have the gall to actually charge people to use it just demonstrates that they have totally lost their marbles.
@@encycl07pedia- It's ultra-niche but it looks pretty polished and is being updated somewhat regularly it seems. So the fact that the devs are charging for this OS isn't shocking. 80€ is relatively steep, though.
@@encycl07pedia- The money that they charge probably (hopefully) pays for them to develop new things for it. I think it is nice, it is like people going to their local pub and tipping the musicians. If it wasn't for their money then probably it would just die and then there'd be one less OS people could use. I wonder why BeOS didn't last the same way though? Maybe there is a core group of developers who do it even if there isn't enough money.
Bought my old Mac just recently, after watching your previous vid. Had to buy another G5, as my own was too new!
I'm currently anticipating at least a WIP release of MorphOS for AMD64. They showcased a prototype back in 2019 on a Ryzen 5 and it was impressive for how early it was in development.
I did consider AmigaOS 4.1, but they don't seem to be weaning off PPC anytime soon.
Dump PPC and move to ARM. I fool around with enough old Amiga hardware to not be dorking around with old Macs too and an Amiga like experience on a RPI or related board would be a welcome change from the various Linux distros. (Of course I have been saying the same thing about AmigaOS 4 for quite a while now too.)
Might look clean and 'boring' but it does look utterly beautiful on an old ADC Apple Studio or Cinema display. Very keen to try it further.
Interesting video, I'm a big fan of any OS that keeps old hardware going but.....show me where you can get a Mac Mini G4 for 20 quid! They are starting at £100 on that well known auction site.
You can get Intel based ones much cheaper but the PowerPC ones are quite expensive these days. That said, I found one for 50€ (not labeled as G4, but it is one) just a few minutes ago. Ordered it right away, so I can give this MorphOS thing a try.
Agreed and on Fb market place....
I paid $20 a few months ago on Craigslist.
@@andycraig7734 I paid 80 plus postage for my G5, guy is a professional recycler Computer dealer.
Ask for a plywood screen protector to be put over it. saves the heartbreak of a damaged LCD on a classic machine. I did and he did..
I discoverd MacOS is a weird operating system.
Thought I had seen every good retro UA-camr, since I started on UA-cam in 2007. I have never seen you before. And yet your videos are clearly in the absolute top tier of retro content. That is surprising and a bit sad to me. But I am happy that I was finally given a random recommendation for your videos by the UA-cam algorithm. I hope it means that you are about to be blessed with many more subscribers.
Morphos is the crown jewel of amiga systems. The os and programs for it are spectacular and people run their businesses on the thing is cool. Iris even has contacts and meetings scheduling.
If they ever ported MorphOS to the Raspberry Pi, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I love what I have seen of it, but I don't have any hardware that can run it, and don't want to have to run out to buy a G4 or G5, which are a bit under powered now by modern standards. I'd definitely buy a copy, if it's available for ARM 64 on any non-Apple hardware.
Internet banking was one of the reasons people did not use alternative operating systems. But now that people use their cell phones for these functions, people might give alternative systems another look.
eh, even Linux has problems gaining market share. If you mean geeks like us, it is more realistic, but again even "common" alternative OSes (like BSD) are really niche systems with not that many users using it as daily drivers
Maybe but i just think installing operating systems in general should be more accessible for most users its a stressful experience with a lot of things that can go wrong so people will only use what comes pre installed even if its bad.
Internet Explorer* And we must be aware of alternative mobile operating systems, even Android custom roms are having problems with banking apps because many of them takes action against rooted and jailbroken devices, which directly violates the user's freedom.
Sorry for double commenting but its really sad that we are now being forced to use our phones and computers for such important things
Going to a bank and doing your banking there on their terminal should be a option for those that don't want to deal with computers and the internet or those that don't want to rely on them for such important stuff but looks like this is a way for them to save money so just force everyone to get a phone even if they don't want to.
i loved my computer and phone because it gave me entertainment and knowledge but now it will be too important to experiment with.
@@vetrixfx9264 In the case of the BSD family hasn't helped it being heavily dependent on Linux either, the fact that those OSes provides the same desktop environments, display servers, etc, and don't do anything new and their own makes them indistinguishable from Linux, and this makes it very difficult even for most Linux users to use FreeBSD (the most usable of the 4) for daily desktop use, there is no real justification, Linux has all that, the same o r more modularity and with all the official free software support. +80-90% of FreeBSD packages are shared with Linux and are developed from the Linux community, major web browsers available are unofficial builds, and that means a lot of shortcomings, i.e. no Widevine, no official Electron support, no Chromium derivatives, and so on so on so on..
And i only talked about FreeBSD, the others are still in a much more precarious situation for desktop, If BSDs want to get anywhere they must ensure their technological independence from Linux first, more necessary than ever for things like systemd, because today the BSDs are in the same place as Linux was 15-20 years ago,, they are basically Linux distros with another kernel, without systemd and much less support, that's not attractive to anyone. They could start by creating their own display server that solves Xorg's problems and Wayland's shortcomings at a stroke, create stable, feature-additive, cross-platform, non-display server dependent widget toolkit, something, that solves issues and benefit everyone, making derivatives that differ from the Linux distros by integrating the technologies in different or better ways, their own technologies, that is, self-sufficiency...
When you use an alternative OS over the pre-installed one, it is because you have reasons to do so, and all those reasons are due to its differences with the one you have always used, regardless of its hardware or software support or however niche it may be, so that there should be a justification (all equally valid) to do that, for a UNIX geek the reason to use BSD over Linux is because of systemd, for a more average user the reason to use Linux over Windows is due to its open nature, that it's a more lighter or efficient OS, its modularity or whatever you want, you didn't abandon Windows for abandoning it, you abandoned it because you had a powerful reason for it.
NOTE: PC ATi video cards flashed with MAC PPC firmware does not work with MorphOS and not documented on there site.
Darn, it looks cleaner and more logical than Windows 11
Everything does
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Great video Dan. Was definitely overdue as well with the developments with Wayfarer and Iris. UA-cam works best if you make it full screen as that cuts down on processor load. Also worth pointing out that you only pay the €79 once for each machine and then you’ll get free updates each time after that. It might sound expensive but it’s worth it to keep the core developers developing.
I missed out on the Amiga back in the day and lusted over the A3000 and A4000 on display in a local computer store, both way above my pay grade. Nevertheless, I was fascinated enough to emulate the Amiga on an old dedicated Dos machine using UAE. It was rather nice, particularly with the MUI interface, so much so that I was impressed and blown away at what could have been. Anyway, Morphos looks great and it would be nice to see an ARM version, although I'm personally not into proprietary operating systems. In fact, only this week I installed AROS One and Icaros under VirtualBox and was amazed at how stable and appealing they both are. Nice video Dan, thank you. I don't suppose you could do more videos on AROS?
On the BBC Archive channel there is a video called 1985 Introducing the AMIGA.
It looks really slick and polished. As a few others have said its a shame it only runs on hardware that is so old. It would be awesome if it could run on early Intel Macs - would be a nice use for a cheap old Mac.
I think from all the next gen AOS-style systems, MorphOS looks most professional. Shame there's no 68k version
Would love to see MorphOS on Apple Silicon hardware like the M1 and M2 Macs
I suspect the main reason modern OSes don't encourage RAM disks is that if you make them too big it simply eats into swap space on the SSD, negating any advantage and probably making the system suddenly unresponsive. Plus there's the potential for data loss from users who don't understand what a RAM disk is. Having said that, they're easy to create from the terminal in Linux or MacOS.
i used tmpfs all the time back when i ran linux daily and i couldnt be using windows today if it weren't for imdisk. I run a 4gb laptop :-)
i use zram in linux, its a ramdisk that have higher priority than swap partition.
never had any problems
I have the Dolphin thumbnail cache on tmpfs on Linux, as my CPU is so fast I don't want it wasting GBs of storage space on it.
I believe most distros use tmpfs for /tmp by default these days too?
I have 16gb of Ram on my PC but it runs out all the time my PC has a weird bug where if i use more than 80% of my Ram it sometimes starts glitching out very annoying
and i would also like to say ramdisks don't make much Sence these days anyway the amiga did not even have a hard drive when it came out back then that was a luxury that not everyone needed nowadays every computer has a hard drive and the hard drive will be way bigger than the amount of Ram you will have i Guess it can be used to load things faster but you have to put it on there first so it wouldn't be worth it in most cases sorry for the bad punctuation but my phone is glitching out so i can't edit and i need to post it before everything crashes.
you cannot make it too big its dynamic. its always as big as the available free ram. it works w/o any set up, the user cannot mess it up and it couldnt make the system unresponsive. it just works.
Looks like a good os it seems that the only thing that holds early 2000s hardware back from being usable these days is all the spaghetti code from most modern software.
It's not that simple. Modern Operating Systems use a lot more resources to provide stable and secure environment. Modern software is of course quite bad and wasteful on resources, but it is only optimized until it runs well enough on hardware average user has.
Ultimately early 2000s hardware isn't good enough for 1440p or higher displays. We use high res images and 4K videos that is process by dedicated hardware codecs. Such old hardware can't handle that and it will waste tons of energy just for displaying simple web pages. Low-end smartphones have much faster CPUs, significantly better GPUs and way more RAM, while using a fraction of energy.
@@Leeki85 Yea but you can just set the resolution to 240p at least on UA-cam but i am not saying people should use very old hardware it will be worse than new hardware but it could be used for many modern things if it was not for the software support being cut off or the bloated code.
@@Leeki85 No point in trying to explain this. Most folks have it in their mind that they could browse the web on a 2000s era machine just like a current machine if it wasn't for the 'spaghetti code'. Very difficult to get them out of that incorrect mindset.
Oh my... Pagestream... thats an applications namne i havent heard for a very long time, loved to play around with it back in the Amiga A2000 days... now i'm really nostalgic...
Hahahaha, that X1000 comment pained me so much. I still have savings account in my bank called Amiga X1000. Never had more than 100 there :P
Its super cool. I just don’t trust a small closed source OS to be secure enough to be a daily driver.
I find the claims of those folks using it as a daily driver to be dubious at best.
Just watching this again. In enjoyed the video the first time and in the time between, I also got this working. The Mac Mini G4 on ebay was a tad more expensive than 20 pounds tho. The screen output from the DVI was a pain to get right. Something with the output signal and ofcourse I don't have the Cinema screen that was supposed to go with it. In the end I got it working and it's nice to see that VNC and Synergy are working just fine, it's a small box so it's a nice device to have on your desk. My A1200 can't be on my desk ready to use because it's a tad too big for that. The mac mini g4 with morphos just stacks upon another mac mini g4 and on top of that a nespi4 case with a raspberry pi4 and UAE. Thanks for these videos Dan, I might have to beef up my CD32 next :)
Nice, a few years ago (5?) I heard about Morphos and went out and bought 2 mac mini g4. Was severely dissapointed. I put my old a4000 hard drive in a USB enclosure and it wasn't recognised, I used winuae to put some adf, dms, hdf files on a flash drive and the system Morphos had no clue what the files were. The system made the mini functional but in order to get it to run old Amiga software you needed emulation. Well if I'd be using emulation I opted for winuae on the pc. Great toseethatthey added emulation/compatibility right out of the box. May consider bring the mini out of retirement.
old software that is stored in disk images mostly is sioftware that was not programmed according to system conformity rules but instead banged the hardware directly. of course that wuill not run
it looks slick and professional. they'd have a lot more luck if they ported it to x86. i wouldnt mind studying it and porting my software to it, if the documentation's good enough
I believe there's a gcc port for MorphOS, so a cpu architecture shouldn't be much of an issue.
I have a bunch of old Amiga floppy disks I'd love to explore from the 90's... last I looked there's no PC app to do so. Anyone know of a way to open Amiga floppy disks on a PC?
Actually a demo of MorphOS running on AMD64 was shown, not ARM64: there is no evidence they are interested in moving to ARM64.
Link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/oAUZivdbn-Q/v-deo.html
Oops, I totally meant to say AMD64. I blame sleep deprivation or something.
@@danwood_uk Yeah, I knew it, but wanted to point it out since some watchers may not know that.
It makes sense, x86-64 (AMD64) is easier to support than ARM64 because x86 PCs have UEFI/BIOS that provides a standardized layer between the underlying base hardware and the OS bootloader. That is, on PCs, generic system images are possible because the system can be queried via UEFI/BIOS at boot. On most ARM64 devices there is nothing like that (and even if is, it requires signed images) => each OS image has to be specific for a given board with a device tree baked in. To make matters worse, ARM SoCs are much more closed, you can see that ARM SBCs are crippled by the incomplete driver support for their hardware (most often no video acceleration/decoding => poor web experience). On PC, there are open-source Linux drivers for AMD and Intel GPUs + at the very least one can limit oneself to support hardware exposed by the virtual machines.
yes, and at the same time a demo of 64bit PPC version
And only a very limited subset of those Power PC Macs as listed in their Hardware page.
I like MUI and Amiga look.
ARM version would be very interesting, even for non-amigos.
These on board pcs like C64 and Microsoft MSx used to be popular here in Tunisia in the 90s because "real" 286 or 386 based PCs were veery expensive. Moreover teachers could do text editing and exam preparation on them quite well.
How does this compare to something like AROS? It has a very similar idea
AROS is X86 and basically just the OS , I don't think you can install and run apps on AROS.
@@joefish6091 I have infact, theres an entire distros called icaros andit comes with software and other things preinstalled
MorphOS is paid, perhaps more polished but currently limited to the (now) dead-end PPC ghetto (ancient Macs, hard-to-get old PPC boards, and expensive/unavailable AmigaONE machines using underpowered PPC processors for the embedded market - desktop ones died with G5), albeit there have been rumors about works on the x86 port. AROS is both: free (as in beer) and open-source. Runs on m68k, x86, and perhaps a few PPC boards. At least on x86, classic (m68k) Workbench software is run via its built-in emulator. As far as I know, AROS is the only AmigaOS-like that can use multiple cores, others (AmigaOS 4, MorphOS) can utilize only one. Alas, AROS will give you less 'retro' vibe, because you can easily run it within x86 VM (to circumvent driver issues) on nearly any PC. Whereas to run MorphOS you will have to hunt for old hardware.
@@JanuszKrysztofiakPowerPC is still around, with a ton of extensions. New ppc chips are meant for servers, but you can make a workstation with one.
At 0:37 - Version 3.72? Latest is 3.17 isn't it?
Had a iMacG4 I found at thrift store. It works. Now I have a great new use for it.
Make sure the Heatsink paste is good, clean working fans.
I'd be interested to see how well it can run Deluxe Paint (it doesn't seem to like non-native ECS/AGA screen modes)
Which iMac is the best for morphOS y was reading the g5 became to hot inside!!!???
Is there a way I can do this on my early 2008 iMac?
Thanks Dan, just a quick point, you don't need to be an Amiga fan-boy to enjoy MorphOS, I have never used Amiga OS, but use MorphOS on my PowerBook G4, I'm not sure I could use it as my daily driver, but obviously needs vary.
Hi
I’m new here and just installed Morphos 3.18, but I can’t find the Chrysalis Pack. Any help would be appreciated.
KR Christian Josiassen
The eMac is a good machine to run this OS, CRT included!
I use MorphOS 3.17 on my mac G5. It is the only system I run on it these days. OpenBSD and the linux distro's have fallen by the wayside. But I would caution anyone not to use the Chrysalis pack. Their 3.17 (Release4) made me have to reinstall everything - twice. It causes system freezing and apps to stop working. Hopefully they will iron out the bugs in the next release.
debian sid and lubuntu remix are also awesome oses and so is caseys feinix os which is a modern linux distro pretty much on the level as morph os
I tried to install debian sid a month ago but for my machine all the repos were gone.
i run this on my g5 dual 2.7 with 9600xt and im working on getting it working on my quad g5 with x1900 xtx
as an old scener and a member of Freezers demo group and Digital Corruption crack group and now a worldwide chart hitting music producer & dj ... I really thinking of getting back to amiga where my career is built up .. I've spare G5 mac around ... .Im thinking of buying this morph stuff. but .. does it have a emulation layer for older stuff like games demos etc.like rosetta did for macos ?? meanwhile dan ... I really like your stuff ... keep it goıing!!
will it run in a Apple iBook G4 - 12" 1.33 GHz PowerPC 7447a. 512Mb?
The biggest mystery of Morph os, when it will be on Intel platform introduced or an Intel compatible version ?
Because morph os will become more and more modern this means that one day the developer will have to open a gate for old intel or new processors to give them a new chance old Pc or laptop
Or AMD
Cn you get the A drive reading ADFs?
I have a nice PPC G5 Mac. How do I find Morph OS??
Wow looks fantastic thanks for the deep dive
5:55 MacOS 8 and up as well
Linux actually does have a ramdisk by default in most distros these days - /tmp is in RAM.
This is true on Solaris too, but who uses *that* on a desktop? :P
I run Solaris on an old Sun machine 😄
@@danwood_uk same, actually. I've got a Blade 150 with a SunPCi card. Weird little beastie.
now I am going to look for a a ppc Mac . so cool
OK, this time I can't take it, so I will get me a G4/G5 something again and see how cool this is.
In Poland there is a car mechanic who is using Commodore 64 for his work. ;)
I had not heard of MorphOS until now, gonna have to try it on an older Mac
This just blew my goddamn mind. There is an actively developed, pay to play operating system, that runs on old Powermacs? What? It's awesome, but really - WHAT?! When did UA-cam become Interdimensional Cable!? Anyway, you Amiga people are crazy. And awesome.
Can it play Crisis?
DAN, what's the name of the song used together with the bluebox demo? i ran the demo and it's a different song :-(
doesn't support imac g4 :(
EDIT: also charging for open source code. yikes.
Only one problem is that Apple Corp won't normally install other Operating System onto products made by Apple Corp.
@danwood_uk where is your next MorphOS video? Lots of good stuff to catch up on...
Impressive Operating System. Still waiting for the x86- or arm64 Port.
I read the title as "Turn an ordinary Amiga into a High-End Mac" :)
i dont knw where this guy is getting the cheap mac mini g4 the prices for them are like $300 now
I just checked eBay sold/completed listings and there are lots that have sold in the last few months for £20-40 here in the U.K.
Can you post a link for this mini for £20 😅
Are you anything to do with the Development of MorphOs ? if so I think it need s stating for clarity...
Nope, just a user/fan
I have a dual G4 powermac 450mhz. Only 1 processor is detected. No sound. Disappointing.
MorphOS does not support more than 1 core (no SMP).
450 Mhz ? wwll, you won't have fun with that
@@xy-lk9pd true... But I cannot afford a better machine... Especially with the upcoming financial crisis... Credit Suisse just collapsed and we are next.
nice one. you gonna be at amiga37 again? i was there at 34 but just met ravi
I’ll be there! Can’t wait
I so wish that aos4, mos and aros started working together. So sad to see all that talent split and competing.
While we're at it, let's make peace in Ukraine and Palestine :P
did they ever make it so that nvidia cards will work? i can't source an ati card at the moment which is the only reason i've been unable to use this os
no and they will not. nvidia doers not sghare the informaatins needed to support their chips
@@xy-lk9pd ok thanks, i purchased an ATI card for this anyway, works great
Great channel Dan, followed retro hour from the beginning. And Amiga addict magazine reader (hi Ravi, AA team). Could you help point me to the Chrysalis pack? all the links I’ve found are down. Thank you.
i dont own a old mac, but this looks impressive, i wonder why modern os cant be so optimized and keeps wasting ram for no reason.
Due to planned obsolescence and its profitability, apart from the increasing laziness of developers that has led to a massive decline in cross-platform development since the 1990s (after the consolidation of the Wintel monopoly).
Because RAM is relatively cheap.
Can you run old amiga games on it?
yes, if they are programmed in aclean, system friendly way. No, if they bang the hardware directly or rely on the presence of spexific audio or gfx chips
Looks like a great os just a shame it doesn't support G3s as I've got a G3 imac collecting dust at the moment, I'll have to look into getting a G4/5 🙂
That is really cool! Can you purchase Amiga Forever and get it running in Morph OS?
Can it run Dopus Magellan II?
Yes, I think there was actually an updated version of it made for MorphOS a few years ago.
yes it does, I use it
Q: Mitsubishi CRT monitor… did you ever have an Apricot PC?
i just wish it was compatible with my imac g3, or my imac g4. Neither are supported shame really both machines are doing nothing at the moment. The imac G3 would be seriously cool but i understand why it wouldnt be compatible in a way - that machine is probably only 233-266mhz
The system looks really good 👍
Hi,
Weird question, but have you done voiceover work for Subaru or are you Mark Higgins?
ARM x64? I thought they aimed for AMD x64? Or maybe both?
Yeah I meant to say AMD64, that’s what I get for staying up til 5am to record a video 🤦♂️
@@danwood_uk
Can you believe that this was the same guy that used a 5 pound note to play vinyl?
Hello Dan from across the pond! I'm a big fan of your channel, and have a quick question. I have a power mac G5 a1093 and a mac pro a1186 1.1 and a mac mini a1114. Is it possible to install Morphos on any of the models?
hi the g5 or the mac mini would be the best candidates, you choose the best machine for your needs.
personally id pick the G5 power mac, good luck.
That's great to ses.my icons are there.
Thanks to you for this great vidéo.
MorphOS 3.17 vs pimiga ?
I keep looking at the dock, it's uncentered lol
My fault. You can just drag it and move it anywhere, or you can lock it to borders.
It's good. Halfway between astro surfer and the trash can.
I have an eMac doing nothing since over a decade, and this has got me thinking...
apple pc wont ever be amiga, and license for that os is just to expensive.. thanks for the video through
yeah, thanks for making this new demostration of Morphos. like i mentioned on your G5 video MorphOS was something which always seems out of reach
I have a very old Power Mac G5
Interesting
It's weird how all these alternative macOS and Amiga OS's cost money. It makes it hard to justify using them. You'd think niche software would want to be free like Linux so more people use them.
Linux is getting huge funding from big companies so that's why it's "free". You cannot compare that to MorphOS
@@OnyxSoft Projects like Haiku or SerenityOS are free and don't get any company funding. They seem to be doing just fine.
They want to recreate the authentic 90s experience .
Even if MorphOS were freeware i don't think many more people would use it, it requires niche architecture and hardware, even Haiku and FreeBSD being available for x86 CPUs don't even have reach 1% market share.
@@OnyxSoft BSDs, Haiku and other niche operating systems are free and don't receive any funding (at least for the desktop in the case of BSDs).
"The mighty X5000" Hahahaha, had a good laugh at that statement. That piece of Sh!t's CPU is something you find in controller cards for PC peripherals, not to mention the dinosaur video card it uses which you pay out of your @ss for. You can blame the X5000 and models before that as well as OS4 (for only running on this garbage hardware) for further burying the Amiga and making it a laughing stock to the rest of the computing world instead of making it what the Amiga once was. 10 years ahead of the rest, instead we get something that is 20 years + behind the rest with the X5000.
Thank you Dan, I’ve been looking into this software for a few years but seeing what you can really do with it has convinced me that I need this!
Question: I've always wondered this. Can you still run old Amiga software from 5.25/3.5 inch floppies on this modern platform?
Yes, he did answer whether you can run older Amiga software in emulation. But I'm talking about physical floppies or floppy emulators. Though I suppose it's easier with just disk images (but how would you make them from your own library if you can't find a copy in disk image format online?).
The Amiga disk format requires a special controller to read disks. Afaik you can’t read them on a pc/Mac without additional hardware or interface like the Catweasle
There is Arduino software available to dump Amiga disks by hooking the Arduino up to a regular HD PC floppy drive. It's a pita to get going though. Afaik it works by low level raw reading the disk and then software on the PC is able to extrapolate the disk image from the dumped raw data.
18:55 probably still cheaper then your A4000 with all the additional upgrades 😋
Massively cheaper!
I have an old PowerPC Mac!
On my ppc Amiga I used warp os
It's not an Amiga if you have to run an wmulator to run amiga apps.